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Twirdman
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July 17th, 2015 at 1:32:55 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Glad the parties have switched sides.



https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/chinese-immigration



Yep the start of the quota system in the US one of the first steps to the dismantlement of legal immigration to the US. Also more proof that AZ was totally wrong about immigrants not saying money back to their country of origin. Something that by no means originate with the Latinos and had been done over a hundred years earlier by Chinese immigrants. Also quite popular among Filipino immigrants.

To make it more clear everything that AZ has said is unique to the modern day Latino immigrants was commonplace for immigrants going back who knows how long.
AZDuffman
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July 17th, 2015 at 1:54:33 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

Yep the start of the quota system in the US one of the first steps to the dismantlement of legal immigration to the US. Also more proof that AZ was totally wrong about immigrants not saying money back to their country of origin. Something that by no means originate with the Latinos and had been done over a hundred years earlier by Chinese immigrants. Also quite popular among Filipino immigrants.



I said that previous groups did not send billions back. Obviously some money has always been sent back, but nowhere near the levels of today. Have fun trying to play "GOTCHA" all you like. It is not going to work. The current immigration is different in multiple respects to previous waves. Any reasonable person should see this. Those who are in favor of illegal immigration and open borders however will defend both to the bitter end.
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Twirdman
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July 17th, 2015 at 2:15:43 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I said that previous groups did not send billions back. Obviously some money has always been sent back, but nowhere near the levels of today. Have fun trying to play "GOTCHA" all you like. It is not going to work. The current immigration is different in multiple respects to previous waves. Any reasonable person should see this. Those who are in favor of illegal immigration and open borders however will defend both to the bitter end.



OK well lets look at modern day immigrants then. US immigrants send about 120 billion a year to other countries. Of that Mexico does get the most at 23 billion. You also have the Philippines sending back 10 billion. China sending back 13 billion. India almost 11 billion. http://www.amren.com/news/2013/02/immigrants-in-the-u-s-sending-120b-back-home/

So again hardly just Latino immigrants sending money back to their home country not even if you further specify it to only include billions of dollars sent over.

Cannot find data on historic immigrants but again many Chinese immigrants came specifically to send money back to China and possibly return after they made their fortune.

The Phillipines was sending 2.5 billion in 1995 they broke the 1 billion mark in 1985. http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/global-remittances-guide sadly that data only dates back to 1970 so that is only data point I could really have. So again you are wrong about immigrants and should start relying on actual data rather then what you think you know.
AZDuffman
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July 17th, 2015 at 2:28:50 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

OK well lets look at modern day immigrants then. US immigrants send about 120 billion a year to other countries. Of that Mexico does get the most at 23 billion. You also have the Philippines sending back 10 billion. China sending back 13 billion. India almost 11 billion. http://www.amren.com/news/2013/02/immigrants-in-the-u-s-sending-120b-back-home/

So again hardly just Latino immigrants sending money back to their home country not even if you further specify it to only include billions of dollars sent over.



Nobody is saying it is "only" latinos. I am saying they send the most and it is a net loser for the economy when they do. I am not keen on OTM illegals, either, BTW. Mexican illegals are, however, the biggest group. Currently 10% of Mexicans are living in the USA as illegal aliens. Seriously, when do you admit we have a problem?
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EvenBob
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July 17th, 2015 at 4:28:03 PM permalink
Quote: reno

Trump hasn't figured it out.



Sure he has. I can't believe he's sucked
in so many people into his vortex. He
knows he can't win, this is all about free
publicity for his brand. He's at 17%? On
this date in 2011, Herman Cain was at
27%, did he win the nomination?
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SanchoPanza
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July 17th, 2015 at 5:14:38 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

Washington Times is shit, but other than that forcing the use of interpreters is not the same things as stopping the enforcement of immigration laws. . . . Obama has moved more immigration enforcement towards the federal rather than local law enforcement but the laws are still being enforced.

The lack of even a "shit" citation is notable. At any rate, here is just one report from the front lines and culled from among many sources, Congressional hearings, about cooking burritos and changing diapers instead of catching El Chapo and the Zetas' forces:

"As the Obama administration scrambles to respond to an influx of unaccompanied minors across the Mexican border into Texas, the union that represents 16,500 border patrol officers has made its frustration clear. “New annual job rating areas: Babysitting, Diaper Changing, Burrito Wrapping, Cleaning cells. Law Enforcement? What’s that? #lowmorale” the group wrote on its Twitter feed last weekend. . . .

“Nothing in there was racist,” union president Brandon Judd said in an interview, referring to the tweet. “All he was trying to emphasize is that we can’t do our jobs. Forty percent of our agents have been pulled from the field to babysit, clean cells, change diapers. We’re actually making burritos. That’s not our job. Our job is to protect the border.”

"The patrol agents have" warned "in Congressional hearings and on cable news shows that resources to combat drug and weapons trafficking have been diverted to handling the immigrant children. Judd told a House panel that the crisis is straining the border patrol “to the breaking point.” wapo
rxwine
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July 17th, 2015 at 5:53:19 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

The lack of even a "shit" citation is notable. At any rate, here is just one report from the front lines and culled from among many sources, Congressional hearings, about cooking burritos and changing diapers instead of catching El Chapo and the Zetas' forces:

"As the Obama administration scrambles to respond to an influx of unaccompanied minors across the Mexican border into Texas, the union that represents 16,500 border patrol officers has made its frustration clear. “New annual job rating areas: Babysitting, Diaper Changing, Burrito Wrapping, Cleaning cells. Law Enforcement? What’s that? #lowmorale” the group wrote on its Twitter feed last weekend. . . .

“Nothing in there was racist,” union president Brandon Judd said in an interview, referring to the tweet. “All he was trying to emphasize is that we can’t do our jobs. Forty percent of our agents have been pulled from the field to babysit, clean cells, change diapers. We’re actually making burritos. That’s not our job. Our job is to protect the border.”

"The patrol agents have" warned "in Congressional hearings and on cable news shows that resources to combat drug and weapons trafficking have been diverted to handling the immigrant children. Judd told a House panel that the crisis is straining the border patrol “to the breaking point.” wapo



That story is over a year old. (your link is messed up as well)
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rxwine
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July 17th, 2015 at 5:57:42 PM permalink
Donald Trump is going to up the ratings for the first Republican debate. That should be a good thing for Republicans unless it really becomes a circus.

One talking head said Bush is taking no chances and preparing hard for Trump. Which is smart really. Any hint that Trump is a non-serious candidate and he successfully takes down one of the front runners is not going to go unnoticed.
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kewlj
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July 17th, 2015 at 6:13:18 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

He's at 17%? On
this date in 2011, Herman Cain was at
27%, did he win the nomination?




Where are you getting your numbers from EB?

The closest I could find was a CNN poll on July 22, 2011

Romney 16
Perry 14
Rudy Giuliani 13
Sarah Palin 13
Michele Bachman 12
Ron Paul 8
Herman Cain 6

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/cnn-poll-perry-near-the-top-in-gop-nomination-race/

My recollection is that Herman Cain led one or 2 'outlier' type polls, but it was much earlier in the cycle than this, like in the spring of 2011, and I don't think he EVER had 27%. By this time (july) in the 2011, Romney was leading, although it was a slight lead in most national polls.
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July 17th, 2015 at 6:45:41 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Sure he has. I can't believe he's sucked
in so many people into his vortex. He
knows he can't win, this is all about free
publicity for his brand. He's at 17%? On
this date in 2011, Herman Cain was at
27%, did he win the nomination?



Agreed. I'm glad not everyone on the right is drinking the Trump flavored Kool-Aid.
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