2016 Election

I think we have different definitions of the word "love."

Quote: AZDuffman

Really? I'd suggest checking out sanctuary cities and calls for a general amnesty. Also the Obama Admin actively fighting local law enforcement when they enforce immigration law. Calls to allow them welfare, drivers licenses, and even to vote in local elections! Most of the Democrats and a few in the GOP seem to think Americans love it based on their actions.

This is the kind of positioning I'm talking about, if it isn't already clear from my last 2 posts.

Nobody.

Nowhere.

No how.

Is in favor of illegal immigration.

Is it still happening whether we "love" it or not? Yes.

There are a lot of different ideas on how to deal with it. You can build walls. You can put massive guards on patrol with dogs and machine guns. You can enforce existing laws. You can write new laws. You can identify them and put them on a path to legal immigration and/or being assets to THIS country. You can deport them. You can make it easier to immigrate here. Probably dozens of other things. You can even make things so bad for citizens in the US that people will stop wanting to come here. Seems like we're well on our way to achieving that one. :(

All of them have the same goal; reduce illegal immigration. All of them have positive and negative consequences. And each of them has its adherents.

The difference in the discourse during the problem-solving path to a solution is nonsense accusations like AZ (I'm using his post as an example, not making a personal attack on him) is making above weren't part of a reasonable discussion, back in the day; it was considered partisan noise and discounted as a distraction. Put people on the defensive, when there are different paths to a solution, or a combination of tactics that would lead to a more comprehensive solution, and they're too busy defending themselves to stay logical about their approach to the issue. Claim that a different solution to the same problem means your opponents support the problem continuing and you stop the problem from being identified and solved. Make distorted allegations of motive or allegiances from your opposing POV. And do it all often enough that people believe it. This is where people stop talking to each other now; instead, they're talking AT each other.

Quote: beachbumbabs

This is the kind of positioning I'm talking about, if it isn't already clear from my last 2 posts.

Nobody.

Nowhere.

No how.

Is in favor of illegal immigration.

See, I disagree here. The left has made it an issue where if you say anything, right up to the word "illegal alien" that you will be called a "racist" if you are against it. We have what now, 200+ declared "sanctuary cities" in the USA? We have groups who sue to say it is "unconstitutional" to deny illegal immigrants welfare and schooling? There are groups that leave food, water, and directions for illegal immigrants during their trips. These are actions strongly supporting illegal immigration. Of people who love it as it meet their needs or goals.

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Is it still happening whether we "love" it or not? Yes.

It is happening because a portion of the population actively fights any efforts to stop it.

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Make distorted allegations of motive or allegiances from your opposing POV. And do it all often enough that people believe it. This is where people stop talking to each other now; instead, they're talking AT each other.

This is exactly what I am saying the left is doing. Oppose illegal immigration and open borders and you are called a "racist" or "xenophobe." Ditto happens, including here, when you point out crimes committed by illegals or the fact that they are driving down the labor rate for locals. Try to solve the problem and the reply comes back, "racist, racist, racist, racist, racist..........."

Obviously the INS and ICE really don't want to deal with the problem or they could have picked up thousands in Charlotte at the Mexico-T & T soccer game last night. Or does that make me a racist by suggesting that the government should enforce the laws and actively look for criminals and follow the law? But then who would show up today and do the "Jobs Americans wont do"???

This great thread will soon knock the Hot Blonde Challenge thread off the Top Threads list. I, for one, won't be shedding any tears over it. A big shout out to Beethoven9th for starting this thread. Why is his name in red again?

Quote: 1BB

This great thread will soon knock the Hot Blonde Challenge thread off the Top Threads list. I, for one, won't be shedding any tears over it. A big shout out to Beethoven9th for starting this thread. Why is his name in red again?

Simply for being an asshole. And I believe I can say that now without being suspended, unlike the last time.

Quote: 1BB

A big shout out to Beethoven9th for starting this thread. Why is his name in red again?

He is a troll that constantly insults members.
After being nuked and some time went by , the Wiz was kind enough to let him post over at DT
He was ok for a while but you know B9, after a while he went back to insulting.
The Wiz had enough and made it a permanent nuke, both sites

Quote: Boz

Simply for being an asshole. And I believe I can say that now without being suspended, unlike the last time.

Finally we can agree on something.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Nobody. Nowhere. No how. Is in favor of illegal immigration.

If "nobody" anywhere is in favor of illegal immigration, then why don't liberal officials and judges enforce the laws as they are written?

Quote: SanchoPanza

If "nobody" anywhere is in favor of illegal immigration, then why don't liberal officials and judges enforce the laws as they are written?

Libs want to find a way to get them to have citizenship because they feel that a large percentage of them will vote for them, conservatives don't want them to get citizenship because they feel a large portion of them will vote against them. Nothing more, nothing less