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AZDuffman
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July 11th, 2015 at 6:52:41 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

He who has not sinned against the state once or twice in their lifetime may throw the first stone.

If you've never done anything wrong (caught or not) you can throw stones on this one.



Nonsense. By this logic you cannot speak out against the illegal alien who killed the woman in San Francisco. Or the 133,000 illegal aliens in our prison systems. 27% of Federal prisoners are illegals, 5% of the population is 27% of the criminals.

I'll throw all the stones I want, along with The Donald. What scares liberals is that if the facts come out the silent majority gets less silent.

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Gandler
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July 11th, 2015 at 6:55:44 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

He who has not sinned against the state once or twice in their lifetime may throw the first stone.

If you've never done anything wrong (caught or not) you can throw stones on this one.



That is not really a rational argument.

Everyone has certainly broken some law intentionally or not.

But entering a sovereign land illegally is a a major moral dilemma in itself. My family (with the exception of a tiny amount of Native American blood) were all immigrants, they were all poor, they worked hard for many years and applied to come here legally and went through the whole screening process.

The idea that anyone should be allowed to wander over the border with no idea of who they are or their background or medical condition, is absurd. Some people come here for free (for them not for us) medical treatment in ERs who cannot turn them away even knowing that they will never pay. Some come here to smuggle drugs, some come here to work legitimate jobs which creates more competition for low skilled Americans, some come here for free education (the whole ESL program is costing schools absurd amounts of money, yes its not only illegals who use it, but lets be realistic, they make up a significant percentage, I would never move to Belgium and then demand that the government start a whole English language program in public schools for my kids).

Illegal immigration brings a plethora of problems, and is funneling a lot of money out of our country (Mexico, just to give an example of the nearby country, has their largest form of foreign income as workers in America sending their wages into Mexican accounts, that is all money leaving America).

We do need an effective and highly militarized wall on our border (like Spain has), it will be the only way to secure that area, especially since the Mexican government has shown themselves to not cooperate at all, they don't care about people leaving because its a huge income source for them.
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July 11th, 2015 at 7:01:09 PM permalink
It isn't nonsense. Looking at someone who continues to do crimes after entering the country illegally is certainly worth preventing.

Otherwise, it's much too much hubbub about too little for those who don't. And considering what they do or don't do is important too, even if not a crime.
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Gandler
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July 11th, 2015 at 7:15:23 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

It isn't nonsense. Looking at someone who continues to do crimes after entering the country illegally is certainly worth preventing.

Otherwise, it's much too much hubbub about too little for those who don't. And considering what they do or don't do is important too, even if not a crime.




30% of Federal inmates are illegal aliens. That means 30% of people in Federal prison are people who should not even be in the country.

And, you don't go to Federal prison for minor reasons. So the argument that "Well the police probably just busted a lot of them for having a bit of pot and profiling them" does not fly.

If you are in federal prison you committed a federal crime so you are likely a murderer, a counterfeiter, a forger, or some other sort of violent offense, or Federal government offense. They are not in Federal prison for drunk driving or smoking a joint at a college party.
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July 11th, 2015 at 7:55:42 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

And, you don't go to Federal prison for minor reasons. So the argument that "Well the police probably just busted a lot of them for having a bit of pot and profiling them" does not fly.



Not according to the Bureau of Justice.

Quote:

The vast majority of immigration offenders in federal prison
were convicted of illegal reentry or illegal entry offenses
(90%), followed by alien smuggling (10%) and visa fraud (less
than 1%).



http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/iofjs10.pdf
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SanchoPanza
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July 11th, 2015 at 8:17:24 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

He who has not sinned against the state once or twice in their lifetime may throw the first stone. If you've never done anything wrong (caught or not) you can throw stones on this one.

Under that construction, we should do away with juries, judges and prosecutors.
Gandler
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July 11th, 2015 at 8:19:44 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Not according to the Bureau of Justice.



http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/iofjs10.pdf



Right, those are Federal offenses.
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July 11th, 2015 at 8:30:38 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Right, those are Federal offenses.



As was pointed out though a significant majority of the offenses committed were being in the country illegally. I mean yes 100% of illegal immigrants have broken the law, because they are illegal immigrants. You then trying to spin that to say a significant chunk of them are murders and rapist because they are in Federal prison is a laughable mis-characterization.
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July 11th, 2015 at 8:39:01 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

As was pointed out though a significant majority of the offenses committed were being in the country illegally. I mean yes 100% of illegal immigrants have broken the law, because they are illegal immigrants. You then trying to spin that to say a significant chunk of them are murders and rapist because they are in Federal prison is a laughable mis-characterization.



I never said that, I said everyone in Federal Prison is there for a Federal Offense which includes murder, violent crimes of many nature, immigration violations, counterfiet, etc....
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July 11th, 2015 at 8:39:54 PM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

As was pointed out though a significant majority of the offenses committed were being in the country illegally. I mean yes 100% of illegal immigrants have broken the law, because they are illegal immigrants. You then trying to spin that to say a significant chunk of them are murders and rapist because they are in Federal prison is a laughable mis-characterization.

With almost 300 sanctuary cities, it is more than obvious that the numbers for convictions and incarcerations compared to the number of crimes are vastly understated. Even the federal government says 347,000 illegal immigrants who are convicted felons roam free.

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