2016 Election

Quote: EvenBob

Is that how you think the court works?
Good grief. The court is about the law.
If it's legal for same sexes to get married,
and the court said it is, then it's legal for
3 people to marry. Roberts was correct,
the exact same argument is true for both
scenarios. And it's an easier decision to make
because plural marriage is still practiced
in half the world. Home many wives did
Solomon have? 700?

As usual, the Left has thought nothing out,
it's all about me me me, and what I want.
Pandora's Box has been opened.

Ok, lets flip your argument around.
Lets say polygamy gets to the supreme court. Its never gonna get there but lets just imagine.
The liberal judges will of course vote against polygamy. According to conservatives, they don't follow the constitution, they just vote for what they support or don't support politically.
They certainly don't support polygamy.
That leaves the conservative judges.
Are you telling me Alito, Scalia, Roberts and Thomas will be forced to vote for polygamy simply due to precedence in this just decided case.
Oh the irony :-)

What's going on, why does everyone seem to be having a complete meltdown about something if those in objection were supposedly resigned long ago to the fact that it was going to be legal sooner rather than later.

Quote: kewlj

How about you live your life and try to be as happy as you can and let others do the same.

So now that you get what you want,
others who have issues can pound sand?
There are serious polygamists out there
and they will be heard. As they should be.

Quote: kewlj

Typical fear mongering and scare tactics straight from the playbook of those on the right. . . .Gay Marriage means Polygamy, pedophilia and marrying your dog are legal.

To the contrary, the fear of the LBGTQ world toward polyamour appears to be irrational. As the leading lawyer in the field, Jonathan Turley, who won the decriminalization of polygamy in the Brown case in no less than Utah, has written:

"In its 1878 opinion in Reynolds vs. United States, the court refused to recognize polygamy as a legitimate religious practice, dismissing it in racist and anti-Mormon terms as "almost exclusively a feature of the life of Asiatic and African people." In later decisions, the court declared polygamy to be "a blot on our civilization" and compared it to human sacrifice and "a return to barbarism." Most tellingly, the court found that the practice is "contrary to the spirit of Christianity and of the civilization which Christianity has produced in the Western World."

"Contrary to the court's statements, the practice of polygamy is actually one of the common threads between Christians, Jews and Muslims. Deuteronomy contains a rule for the division of property in polygamist marriages. Old Testament figures such as Abraham, David, Jacob and Solomon were all favored by God and were all polygamists. Solomon truly put the "poly" to polygamy with 700 wives and 300 concubines. Mohammed had 10 wives, though the Koran limits multiple wives to four. Martin Luther at one time accepted polygamy as a practical necessity. Polygamy is still present among Jews in Israel, Yemen and the Mediterranean.

"Indeed, studies have found polygamy present in 78% of the world's cultures, including some Native American tribes." turley

Even Politico sees further changes:
"Now that we’ve defined that love and devotion and family isn’t driven by gender alone, why should it be limited to just two individuals? The most natural advance next for marriage lies in legalized polygamy—yet many of the same people who pressed for marriage equality for gay couples oppose it.
"This is not an abstract issue. In Chief Justice John Roberts’ dissenting opinion, he remarks, “It is striking how much of the majority’s reasoning would apply with equal force to the claim of a fundamental right to plural marriage.” As is often the case with critics of polygamy, he neglects to mention why this is a fate to be feared. Polygamy today stands as a taboo just as strong as same-sex marriage was several decades ago—it’s effectively only discussed as outdated jokes about Utah and Mormons, who banned the practice over 120 years ago."

Quote: kewlj

Gay Marriage means Polygamy, pedophilia and marrying your dog are legal.

Actually, "gay marriage" probably will lead to polygamy and even being allowed to marry your sibling. After all, what is the purpose of laws against these things - and how would they hold up given the fact that the court has just said that marriage is a right?

But none of those things are relevant in the same-sex marriage debate. I can see that the court was pretty much in a corner - it's not so much "legalizing same-sex marriage" per se as it is "providing a same-sex couple the same rights and privileges that a mixed-sex couple has," and, short of mandating marriage rights, I don't think that's possible.

Of course, there are some people who would respond, "Exactly - they shouldn't have the same rights." Case in point: Representative Labrador (and 57 co-sponsors) and Senator Lee (and 17 co-sponsors) have introduced the "First Amendment Defense Act", which says, in part:

Quote: HR 2802

Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Federal Government shall not take any discriminatory action against a person, wholly or partially on the basis that such person believes or acts in accordance with a religious belief or moral conviction that marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman, or that sexual relations are properly reserved to such a marriage.

While it appears to be aimed mainly at the IRS, to prevent it from revoking tax-exempt status from a church that would refuse to perform same-sex weddings, it also appears to be a response to the backlash against the Colorado bakery which refused to cater a same-sex wedding.

Still, it probably has about as much chance of being held Constitutional as a flag-burning law.

Polygamy is quasi-legal and has been quasi-legal anyway for a long time as far as I'm concerned.

Will you be prosecuted for living with two or more ladies in every sense of the word as married (but unmarried), if you want?

That's how it differs from pedophilia and bestiality.

(yes, I know there are some variations of the laws state to state, but in general I think I'm right)

By that, I mean, no one in their right mind advertises their pedophilia or bestiality to anyone. It will get you prosecuted in private even.

Quote: EvenBob

If it's legal for same sexes to get married,
and the court said it is, then it's legal for
3 people to marry.

Do you have any evidence of three people being able to be legally married to each other with the same rights as two-person couples or are you just making up lies?

Quote: SanchoPanza

The most natural advance next for marriage lies in legalized polygamy—yet many of the same people who pressed for marriage equality for gay couples oppose it.

It won't matter, it's a done deal. It's here,
just not legal yet. Today marriage was
opened to every possible combination
of people.

'Polyamory is a fact. People are living in group relationships today. The question is not whether they will continue on in those relationships. The question is whether we will grant to them the same basic recognition we grant to other adults: that love makes marriage, and that the right to marry is exactly that, a right.'

It's Time To Legalize Polygamy
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/gay-marriage-decision-polygamy-119469.html#ixzz3eEHTwIts

Quote: EvenBob

It won't matter, it's a done deal. It's here,
just not legal yet. Today marriage was
opened to every possible combination
of people.

How much would you be willing to wager on the government recognizing polygamous marriages as equal to two-person marriages within the next year?