2016 Election
Quote: ams288Spoken like a true Trump apologist.
I'd love to see what his income is for any given year.... I'm sure it's not as high as he'd like the world to believe.
But what does that have to do with filing taxes????
Did he make 1% or 15% on his money?
Quote: ams288Actually, I was mostly curious as to what his salary for Celebrity Apprentice was.
Trump and Lawrence O'Donnell of MSNBC have gone back and forth for years over how much (or little) NBC paid him for that show.
Good old Larry, that's a good guy to get into an argument with. The guy the cops were accused of chocking selling cigarettes in NY probably is now worth more dead than Larry is, or ever will be.
Larry is a POS. Hope he is not a member here.
Quote: EvenBobIt was on MSNBC, and CNN commented on it too.
Wait a minute....you believe anything on either network?
Quote: BozWait a minute....you believe anything on either network?
It was also on FOX. I have to think
if all 3 networks are reporting, it
happened, they had press on the
plane who saw it.
ABC saw it.
Liz Kreutz
@ABCLiz
Clinton staff won't allow press to film HRC boarding her charter. We must get on our plan before she gets out of car
3:36 PM - 27 Feb 2016
Bye bye Bernie.
Quote: ams288No one mentioned that Hillary won SC by almost 50 points, 74%-26%.
Bye bye Bernie.
Sanders has been pretty gracious on the losing side --so I hope she can bring him into the fold somehow. Though I don't think he would actually take an office position. I can't imagine he's planning on any further run at the office (due to age), so any position is not likely to be useful in that respect.
Quote: ams288No one mentioned that Hillary won SC by almost 50 points, 74%-26%.
Bye bye Bernie.
It was bye bye the first day of his campaign.
It was a joke, wasn't it? He didn't really
think he was going to win.
First, despite Obama's record, presidents do not write or "open up" or "close down" laws. By definition, that is a legislative function.Quote: rxwineBased on Donald's shaky version of what are lies about him, I'm not too excited about this following bit:
From real clear politics:
"I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We're going to open up those libel laws. So that when The New York Times writes a hit piece, which is a total disgrace, or when the Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they're totally protected."
Second, based on prominent past records, the litigious one has not proven successful, except for his handful of bankruptcies, which by coincidence, occurred in the region under his sister's jurisdiction, he may not fare too well. Among the losing cases have been his claim for unrequited claim for $5 billion (cq) from Timothy O'Brien, a well-respected journalist who wrote "TrumpNation," in Camden, N.J. of all places; the fine in the $1 million case for hiring illegal Polish workers for Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue; and being laughed out of court in his persistent and nasty effort to have the state use eminent domain to seize the home of an elderly woman to park his casino limousines.
Quote: MichaelBluejay"So that when The New York Times writes a hit piece, which is a total disgrace, or when the Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they're totally protected."I thought Republicans were against the lawsuit-happy culture?
This is one of those things that he says, among many, that he has absolutely no chance of making happen but that sounds good to a lot of people. He has not long been a Republican and he is surely not a Republican who is against the lawsuit-happy culture. He doesn't like people saying bad things about him and has threatened a whole lot of lawsuits.
As President, he better be prepared for someone to say something bad about him at almost every turn. It comes with the territory. I think that the current President is too thin skinned; Trump is worse.
Trump versus Clinton isn't a hard choice; but it isn't a good one to have to make, either.
Quote: MichaelBluejayThat's a direct comment, by the way, unlike the previous one which was parody/sarcasm, which nobody seems to have picked up on. Short memories, so let me spell it out for you: During George W. Bush's presidency, when liberals were critical of his policies, right-wingers equated criticism with hate, saying, "WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?! If you don't like it here, why don't you move to another country?" It was useless trying to tell them that when you *love* something you try to make it better, that just bounced right off of them. So it's funny to see them making the same exact argument in response to my asking (sarcastically) why Republicans hate America. Short memories, or an inability to identify parody, or both.
I think both parties do their share of saying the other hates America. I still don't think either one of them hate America. The stuff said was bad during the Bush Presidency; it is bad now. I am assuming everyone remembers the Bush stuff. Here is some stuff from Libs/Dems that I found:
"But the truth is, conservatives hate this country. They hate its leader, its government, over half the people living here and basically anyone with whom they disagree."
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/truth-conservatives-hate-united-states-america/
"Yes, Conservatives, America is also big city, high taxes, people of all nations of the world, and yes, even liberals. Its really a shame you hate it."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/4/20/1378901/-Conservatives-really-hate-America
"American’s right wing, you see, is terrified of history because it is always sentimentalizing it. Many of its arguments rely on a feeling of nostalgia for “good old days,” that appeals almost exclusively to aging whites. "
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/05/why_the_gop_hates_u_s_history_inconvenient_truths_that_freak_out_american_conservatives/
Quote: ams288No one mentioned that Hillary won SC by almost 50 points, 74%-26%.
Bye bye Bernie.
The least exciting contest of the race to date. They were calling it as soon as the polls closed and I think Bernie had already left the state. In spite of all the talk about super-delegates and the party trying to make sure the establishment has their say in the picking who they want to be the candidate, there is really no path forward for Sanders at this point--he is behind in most polls for the upcoming primaries and close in the ones he may be ahead in; none are a sure thing for him. Once he loses a bunch of primaries, he'll soon be an after thought and Hillary will be running for President and not the nomination.
In a similar vein, Cruz/Rubio have no chance of taking Trump out at this time. If there was only one other Republican, there could be a chance but I don't really see a way to "prove" in actual returns what they think...that Trump has a ceiling and they can do better than that. There is some validity to the point that he only can go so high, but it matters less if he gets 30%-40% and they get 20%-25% each than if he was running against one of them and he lost 50%-40%...he wins, they lose and he's the nominee (...and I am not saying that it would actually turn out that way anyway; he always seems to get a peice of the pie when someone drops out).
Unless there are shenanigans....
Quote: SanchoPanzaSecond, based on prominent past records, the litigious one has not proven successful, except for his handful of bankruptcies, which by coincidence, occurred in the region under his sister's jurisdiction, he may not fare too well. Among the losing cases have been his claim for unrequited claim for $5 billion (cq) from Timothy O'Brien, a well-respected journalist who wrote "TrumpNation," in Camden, N.J. of all places; the fine in the $1 million case for hiring illegal Polish workers for Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue; and being laughed out of court in his persistent and nasty effort to have the state use eminent domain to seize the home of an elderly woman to park his casino limousines.
Well, I don't what he's going to do or TRY to do. He talks a lot of crap.
Maybe after trying to deport everyone who looks Mexican, riots break out. Then he has to send in the military to quell the riots. Then he has to shut the press up, and try to pretend Congress agreed with martial law. Then he buys himself a scepter and gold lined robe, and gets his wife Melanoma a nice jeweled crown from Harry Winston jewelers. Etc., etc.,
Actually, he probably already has the last articles, he lives in a gold room
Quote: MichaelBluejayIt was useless trying to tell them that when you *love* something you try to make it better,
Which is exactly what Trump is trying to
do. Take all the crap Obama has done,
Obamacare, ignoring the wide open
border, getting some real jobs back in
the country instead of Obama faux jobs,
and make America great again.
We finally agree on something. (I have
to adjust my toaster, I think it's using
4 more watts of irreplaceable juice
than it's supposed to)
But I've never liked Rubio more! This weekend he made fun of Trump's spray tan, said Trump has small hands and said, "you know what they say about people with small hands....."
I've never seen him so energetic. Gone is the robotic talking-point-spewing Rubio from the debates, and now we have energetic insult comic Rubio.
Do I think it is Presidential? No. But what other choices does he have? He realizes time has basically run out and he's gotta throw in the kitchen sink if anything is going to stick.
screaming about Trump's small hands
and orange tan. He looks deranged, like
he hasn't slept in days. So now he's
whispering his stand up comedy routine
instead of screaming it.
Quote: ams288
But I've never liked Rubio more! This weekend he made fun of Trump's spray tan, said Trump has small hands and said, "you know what they say about people with small hands....."
I think they should both "whip 'em out" on the debate stage and see who wins.
If Michelle Obama gets in on the action, Rubio and Trump both lose, I'm afraid.
Quote: AcesAndEightsSure, my $50 against your $75 ?
Yep! Can we consider this confirmed?
Quote: WizardYep! Can we consider this confirmed?
Yep!
Quote: ams288Everyone keeps bashing Marco Rubio for going after Trump so hard.... Or "getting down to Trump's level," if you will....
But I've never liked Rubio more! This weekend he made fun of Trump's spray tan, said Trump has small hands and said, "you know what they say about people with small hands....."
I've never seen him so energetic. Gone is the robotic talking-point-spewing Rubio from the debates, and now we have energetic insult comic Rubio.
Do I think it is Presidential? No. But what other choices does he have? He realizes time has basically run out and he's gotta throw in the kitchen sink if anything is going to stick.
There is a reason Rubio comments on his hands. Trump is very self conscious about his small fingers. Its been an ongoing joke from "Spy" magazine since the 80s which started with them calling him the “short-fingered vulgarian.”.
http://twitchy.com/2016/02/28/game-on-marco-rubio-makes-fun-of-donald-trumps-small-hands/
' Trump, for his part, took the bait at least once, declaring to the New York Post‘s Page Six, “My fingers are long and beautiful, as, has been well-documented, are various other parts of my body.” '
Every time a story about a poll with Trump
comes out, it's sent to me. This feature must
be a godsend for reporters, it does most of
their work for them.
I get 20-30 a day. Today they went bonkers
because in the new and venerated CNN/ORC
poll, which is intricate and done just once a
month, Trump is getting almost 50% of the
votes. Bush and Christie dropped out and
Trump got all their support. The press is
beside themselves, they thought Trump
had a 'ceiling' and now they see the ceiling
is the sky. He's 33 points ahead of Rubio.
If it were anybody else, this would be over.
But all they talk about is how Rubio can
still win, he has to win. He's bought and
paid for, after all.
I hope the debates for the Republican candidates are done, at least until one emerges as a clear winner. Even then, if you got to whip it out and show it off, Hillary is still a real threat ;-)Quote: GandlerThere is a reason Rubio comments on his hands. Trump is very self conscious about his small fingers. Its been an ongoing joke from "Spy" magazine since the 80s which started with them calling him the “short-fingered vulgarian.”.
http://twitchy.com/2016/02/28/game-on-marco-rubio-makes-fun-of-donald-trumps-small-hands/
' Trump, for his part, took the bait at least once, declaring to the New York Post‘s Page Six, “My fingers are long and beautiful, as, has been well-documented, are various other parts of my body.” '
Can I request DNA sampling? That might be Vince Foster's.
Quote: GandlerTrump, for his part, took the bait at least once, declaring to the New York Post‘s Page Six, “My fingers are long and beautiful, as, has been well-documented, are various other parts of my body.” '
Thanks for the nightmare. Trump in the bedroom. "I'm HUUUUUUGE! Say it, I'm HUUUUUUGE!"
Quote: AcesAndEightsIt's come down do it. Even money.
I'll bet anyone even money that Trump is the next POTUS.
Are you still taking action on this?
In my own mind, I'm naked, and I'm beautiful, and I'm huuuuuuge!Quote: rxwineThanks for the nightmare. Trump in the bedroom. "I'm HUUUUUUGE! Say it, I'm HUUUUUUGE!"
The 'I'm huge' part is a very recent addition, don't know why I didn't have it in there before.....
how he does it. The guy is almost 70 and he
has endless energy. He was engaging, likable,
funny, sincere, a pleasure to listen to. There
were no talking points, no slogans, no
insults. Just a serious guy connecting with
an audience. This is a talent you're born
with, screw the politics. This is why he
can say stuff that would sink anybody
else. He comes across as the guy you
can forgive for anything.
I think he's probably the anti-Christ. But
I'm still voting for him..
Quote: EvenBobTrump was on Hannity at 10pm. I don't know
how he does it. The guy is almost 70 and he
has endless energy. He was engaging, likable,
funny, sincere, a pleasure to listen to. There
were no talking points, no slogans, no
insults.
Except Jekyll and Hyde cannot be separated. They're a team.
Quote: EvenBob
If it were anybody else, this would be over.
But all they talk about is how Rubio can
still win, he has to win. He's bought and
paid for, after all.
People who cover politics are like people who are commentators of a sporting event. They want to prop up the team getting trounced 38-7 in order to generate some interest and ratings giving the impression that the game or race isn't over. If you look at the futures markets IMO Hillary is basically the nominee, and Trump is getting close to becoming a certainty. Depending on how today goes, he might venture into that territory.
What IMO is being ignored in many hypothetical race polls whether it be Hillary vs Trump or Hillary vs Rubio is the turnout factor. IMO Dems had HUGE turnouts in 2008 and 2012, and I find it difficult to imagine they will replicate those numbers. If the primary season is any indicator, Repubs are turning out in droves and Dems are sitting on their hands. In some Republican primaries there are as many people voting in 2016 as voted in 2008 and 2012 combined, and Dem numbers in the primaries are down from even 2012, when the nominee was a sitting president, which at least IMO kind of nullifies the argument that the Dem race isn't hotly contested.
Quote: EvenBobThere were no talking points, no slogans, no
insults. Just a serious guy connecting with
an audience.
He was quieter but he certainly did not get through the interview without calling some people names, telling Fox who they should have on, etc. Still used his "but I am not going to say that" line which is basically saying it and then saying you are not going to say it.
Was it different delivery? Yes.
Was it the same information? Yes.
It was a friendly interview, which there will be some of over the course of time. just not a whole lot. As the front runner he WILL be attacked. People will talk about the way to beat him. Why? If they don't have a way to beat him to talk about in the media, they have a whole lot of air space to fill with, well...nothing!
I did not vote for him the primary here in Texas.
I will vote for him in the general election if he is the nominee.
Quote: FunkyDoctorAre you still taking action on this?
Nope, I have enough action.
Quote: Gabes22and Dem numbers in the primaries are down from even 2012, when the nominee was a sitting president, which at least IMO kind of nullifies the argument that the Dem race isn't hotly contested.
Huh? There were no Presidential Dem primaries in 2012.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012
Quote: Gabes22Yes there were, they just weren't publicized since it basically was a given
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012
Hmmmm... And you're saying the numbers this year are down from then?
So if you're like me, a Dem who would be happy with either of them, is there really much incentive to go out and vote in the primary when you know Hillary is gonna be the nominee in the end?
Quote: Gabes22on the other side though, Trump is basically the nominee for the Republicans. I don't want to divulge my personal politics here, because my opinion on the matter isn't being swayed by them. It seems the raw interest is up on the right and the raw interest is down on the left. If polls for hypothetical matchups are using a formula that reflects 2008 or 2012 election day returns, I think it will be somewhat different in 2016 with the Republicans being more motivated
will be no different, trump vs clinton, and clinton will win
He won't say "we're gonna ban all Muslims from entering the country" anymore. The reporter pressed him on it and he totally blew her off. He went on this weird ramble about building a safe zone in Syria and making the gulf states pay for it. Yada yada yada.
Quote: ams288Haha Trump totally just flip flopped on his Muslim ban.
He won't say "we're gonna ban all Muslims from entering the country" anymore. The reporter pressed him on it and he totally blew her off. He went on this weird ramble about building a safe zone in Syria and making the gulf states pay for it. Yada yada yada.
It's not flip-flopping, it's negotiation. He opens with a huge demand and then later will refine it and give in to other demands from the other side. Eventually getting to exactly where he wanted to be in the first place. See also the wall. He's not going to build a wall. He hasn't "flip flopped" on that one yet because he still needs it to get votes (especially in CA). But it's his opening offer and he will eventually compromise.
Quote: AcesAndEightsIt's not flip-flopping, it's negotiation. He opens with a huge demand and then later will refine it and give in to other demands from the other side. Eventually getting to exactly where he wanted to be in the first place. See also the wall. He's not going to build a wall. He hasn't "flip flopped" on that one yet because he still needs it to get votes (especially in CA). But it's his opening offer and he will eventually compromise.
Who's he negotiating with? Nobody but himself at this point... They are still in the primary. Headed towards a potentially contested convention. He has no reason to flip-flop/negotiate over this yet.
Thankfully for the Dems there is video, and I'm sure this whole Muslim ban/non-ban will be a highlight of some attack ads on him later on.
<edit> they had a 'political revolution' in Germany back in the thirties too, that didn't work out too well ;-(
Damn liberal media! :)
Quote: MichaelBluejayNotice how on every major news site that shows primary results, they show the Republican results by default, and you have to click to see the Democratic results?
Damn liberal media! :)
So you disagree that most of the major media votes liberal? Goes back to that basic staple of liberalism, those who have anything are better than you and you could NEVER get as far as them without government help. They are special people and it would unfair to expect the average person to work as hard as they have, and besides, you are just not as smart as them.
I honestly get sick when I think of how anyone could have their view of how things should be. Bernie, Hillary, Obama and the rest make the GOP look like the sensible ones and that's no easy task. The selfishness that is liberalism is so sad.
Quote: ams288Who's he negotiating with? Nobody but himself at this point... They are still in the primary. Headed towards a potentially contested convention. He has no reason to flip-flop/negotiate over this yet.
Thankfully for the Dems there is video, and I'm sure this whole Muslim ban/non-ban will be a highlight of some attack ads on him later on.
Right now, he is negotiating for votes. When he is President, he will be negotiating with Congress and other countries etc. It's not rocket science.
Quote: MichaelBluejayNotice how on every major news site that shows primary results, they show the Republican results by default, and you have to click to see the Democratic results?
Damn liberal media! :)
TBQH, Hillary's case is more set in stone than the Republican side. She has nearly a 3:1 lead in the delegate count over Sanders, with Trump, it's more like 4:3. It's a more hotly contested race and therefore more worthy of the coverage it is receiving. Plus you look at the number and Republican numbers are up across the board. The vast majority of people engaged right now in the elections are Republicans.
Most media types are liberals but their bosses see green above shades of blue and red and ratings = green
We've had a fake black president, and now a half black president.
We should go for the gold , or black.
Is their any way to resurrect Carson? Just in time for Easter? ..;-)
<edit> So I screwed up, again. I voted for Kasich which propelled him to a huuuge 5.5% showing in GA.
I screw up a lot, she likes to be in charge ;-)
Quote: MichaelBluejayNotice how on every major news site that shows primary results, they show the Republican results by default, and you have to click to see the Democratic results?
Damn liberal media! :)
You know, I sense you're not a very happy dude. Being a liberal doesn't seem to be working out for you.
Perhaps you should switch and be a conservative.
But, of course, you'll have to pull your own weight, accept personal responsibility for your actions, stop blaming rich people for your problems and lack of success, etc. Plus, you can finally let go of that Global Warming nonsense- everyone knows that's just a trojan horse for social change and UN budgets.
Welcome aboard! Glad to have you.
Quote: HowMany
But, of course, you'll have to pull your own weight, accept personal responsibility for your actions, stop blaming rich people for your problems and lack of success, etc. Plus, you can finally let go of that Global Warming nonsense- everyone knows that's just a trojan horse for social change and UN budgets.
.
I'm a liberal
I pull my own weight,
Never taken an handout. Never been unemployed
Worked hard my hole life
I accept responsibility
I don't blame the rich
I believe what the vast majority of scientists believe and have proven
I am certainly not going to believe some fantasy make believe god (g is short case for me)
Welcome aboard the scientific hard working liberal bandwagon :-)
Let me address just this one particular delusion of yours. The truth is that even most Republicans are aware that the Earth is warming. (source)Quote: HowMany...you can finally let go of that Global Warming nonsense- everyone knows that's just a trojan horse for social change and UN budgets.
So why are you wasting time on me? Go bother your fellow Republicans and try to convince them that science is stupid.
You didn't say your entire life left you in a 'hole' did you? Oh, I see now, nevermind.Quote: terapinedI'm a liberal
I pull my own weight,
Never taken an handout. Never been unemployed
Worked hard my hole life
I accept responsibility
I don't blame the rich
I believe what the vast majority of scientists believe and have proven
I am certainly not going to believe some fantasy make believe god (g is short case for me)
Welcome aboard the scientific hard working liberal bandwagon :-)
Signed 'Rascal'
Bookmaker Pays Out Early on Trump Winning Republican Nomination
"Paddy Power Betfair Plc, Ireland’s largest bookmaker, is paying out 120,000 euros ($130,000) on Donald Trump winning the U.S. Republican presidential nomination... Gambling companies pay out early when they regard the result as a foregone conclusion.."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-02/bookmaker-pays-out-early-on-trump-winning-republican-nomination
