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Beethoven9th
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September 17th, 2013 at 12:35:12 PM permalink
When the Britney Spears phenomenon exploded a dozen or so years ago, I remember saying to myself, "Gee, you don't even need talent to be popular anymore, just looks." But nowadays, it seems that you don't need looks either! Case in point: Miley Cyrus.

Seriously, why is this girl popular? She can't sing, can't dance, and is not attractive in the least (not face-wise or body-wise). Is it just me though?

Do you think Miley is ugly, or am I being too hard on her?
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September 17th, 2013 at 12:44:45 PM permalink
I don't think Miley is ugly, but she looked a lot more attractive to me when she looked like innocent Hannah Montana.
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September 17th, 2013 at 12:47:07 PM permalink
Im just confused as to how the poll currently has 140% of votes...
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September 17th, 2013 at 12:48:37 PM permalink
Quote: hagen49

Im just confused as to how the poll currently has 140% of votes...



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September 17th, 2013 at 12:49:38 PM permalink
At the other end of the talent spectrum, I've always been a fan of Katharine Hepburn, and I recently came across a cool photo of her skateboarding in her autobiography.

How the hell did this country go from idolizing women like Kate to wannabes like Miley?


Very cool:




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September 17th, 2013 at 12:52:03 PM permalink
This is an ugly girl? Dude, what's wrong with you.

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September 17th, 2013 at 12:55:24 PM permalink
I dunno, she's not conventionally beautiful in the way that we expect our images to appear. She doesn't appeal to me, but I don't think that she is unappealing.

She isn't very talented at what she is doing now, but she's not untalented. The vocal fry is something that all the kids do these days, but she sang this when she was 18.

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September 17th, 2013 at 1:07:43 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

This is an ugly girl? Dude, what's wrong with you.

Yep, she looks too much like this:



No thanks!
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I'll take:

(Grace Kelly)

(Katharine Hepburn)

(Rita Hayworth)


...over Miley any day of the week!
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September 17th, 2013 at 1:13:38 PM permalink
Grace Kelly makes Miley Cyrus look like a pile dog crap
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September 17th, 2013 at 1:21:36 PM permalink
You didn't put Miley up next to Lady GAGA. You might change your mind then.
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September 17th, 2013 at 1:42:58 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Quote: EvenBob

This is an ugly girl? Dude, what's wrong with you.

Yep, she looks too much like this:



No thanks!
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I'll take:

(Grace Kelly)

(Katharine Hepburn)

(Rita Hayworth)


...over Miley any day of the week!



I generally prefer women who are still breathing.
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September 17th, 2013 at 1:55:31 PM permalink
Quote: rainman



I generally prefer women who are still breathing.



Near the top of my list too, must be breathing. Each
to his own, though.
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Beethoven9th
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September 17th, 2013 at 1:59:04 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

I generally prefer women who are still breathing.


What high standards. Isn't Rosie O'Donnell still breathing? LOL!
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September 17th, 2013 at 2:07:02 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Such high standards. Isn't Rosie O'Donnell still breathing? LOL!



mmm... Rosie
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September 17th, 2013 at 2:15:44 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

mmm... Rosie
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September 17th, 2013 at 2:25:29 PM permalink
Miley? This has become a case of Beauty and the Beast. The latter most recently, while desparately trying to shed the Disney Girl image, keeping those pesky 'Tweens away.
Foam Finger photo anyone?, theres been no less than 4 of these photos in the NYPost in the past 10 days.
Put some clothes on girl!, then grow up..
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September 17th, 2013 at 2:41:01 PM permalink
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September 17th, 2013 at 3:34:15 PM permalink
Ugly, no; nasty, yes.
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September 17th, 2013 at 3:54:48 PM permalink
It's really sad how far standards have fallen since the days of yesteryear. Stars from the Golden Age may have had their own share of problems, but at least they had genuine talent and conducted themselves with class (for the most part) when out in public.

For example, can you picture the Andrews Sisters acting like Miley??? To be fair, there are a small handful of celebrities today that I can respect. Like Taylor Swift. Even though I don't care for her music, I do concede that she has legitimate talent. Too bad there aren't more like her.
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September 17th, 2013 at 4:00:30 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

I don't think Miley is ugly, but she looked a lot more attractive to me when she looked like innocent Hannah Montana.




Uhoh
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September 17th, 2013 at 4:08:26 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

You didn't put Miley up next to Lady GAGA. You might change your mind then.


you mean Lady Gag-gag.
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September 17th, 2013 at 4:20:34 PM permalink
Those eyes...



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September 17th, 2013 at 4:28:02 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th



For example, can you picture the Andrews Sisters acting like Miley??? .



That was the 40's, quit comparing the present to 70
years ago, get real.
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September 17th, 2013 at 4:47:01 PM permalink
..scratch that
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September 17th, 2013 at 4:48:59 PM permalink
Who the hell is Milly Cyrus?
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September 17th, 2013 at 4:54:08 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

That was the 40's, quit comparing the present to 70
years ago, get real.

EvenBob must be a twerking fan. LOL!


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September 17th, 2013 at 6:34:34 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

I don't think Miley is ugly, but she looked a lot more attractive to me when she looked like innocent Hannah Montana.

I'd keep that on the down low.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 17th, 2013 at 7:27:20 PM permalink
I watched the VMAs and I felt creeped out. But Miley has to escape the Disney bubble somehow, and this pretty much did it. Brittney and Lindsay also had to get out of the Disney bubble and go from kid star to adult star. Males tend to do it more gracefully.
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September 17th, 2013 at 8:08:15 PM permalink
I think she looks better when she looked like the kid role model with long hair. Only slightly good looking. Now that she has piercings, tattoos, and short hair I'm not attracted at all. Some guys like that I guess but no thanks
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September 17th, 2013 at 8:27:43 PM permalink
Guys, don't be a bunch of pervs and talk abot how good she looked as Hannah Montanna.

As far as my opinion of her looks, she definately looks better than my left hand.

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September 17th, 2013 at 9:45:24 PM permalink
Quote: KB1

Guys, don't be a bunch of pervs and talk abot how good she looked as Hannah Montanna.



Seriously. Are we talking about when she was age 13 when she began the show, or when she finished the show just before her 18th birthday?

She's not even age 21 yet.
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September 17th, 2013 at 10:11:25 PM permalink
Miley is not doing anything that hasn't be done through the ages

(and by golly, some of those are very bizarre)
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September 17th, 2013 at 10:13:18 PM permalink
Audrey Hepburn's prehensile neck-limb always creeped me out
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September 17th, 2013 at 10:15:01 PM permalink
We're talkin ugly bugly and fugly in appearance and/or image (both intangibles and both are perceptions). Age is almost off topic.
The image is definately Beauty -----> Beast over time. Appearance is a toss-up.
Next stop tongue pierce and tramp-stamp... or will it be tight jeans, a midriff sweater, and a leather jacket?
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September 17th, 2013 at 10:16:20 PM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

Seriously. Are we talking about when she was age 13 when she began the show, or when she finished the show just before her 18th birthday?

She's not even age 21 yet.



I was mainly referencing the time she was legal in my own state. 2010 and later. I sorta forgot that Hannah Montana existed significantly before that, my apologies. Miley today just looks horrible. But at least she has proved she is a "freak" I guess...lol
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September 17th, 2013 at 10:25:23 PM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

Audrey Hepburn's prehensile neck-limb always creeped me out



Ahh yes the boyish look... well done s2dbaker. A very humanitarian person to go with the talent of actress.
I'll counter with Anne Francis courtesy of wikipedia article photo.

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September 17th, 2013 at 10:39:31 PM permalink
- Bar Refaeli

My personal favorite. Those eyes are incredible. If her and Leo ever had a kid together, it might have been the most physically perfect specimen on the planet. Just saying.
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September 17th, 2013 at 10:46:28 PM permalink
Dead
(Grace Kelly)
Not dead
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September 17th, 2013 at 11:10:44 PM permalink
I've seen better photos of J-Lo but she got it.
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September 17th, 2013 at 11:37:27 PM permalink
I didn't think Miley was ugly before, but she is now with that stupid tongue thing she does. Plus, she has no backside to even effectively twerk with.
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September 18th, 2013 at 12:18:56 AM permalink
tringlomane and KB1, I have an old van and some candy if you guys need to borrow it.

What did the Jewish pervert say? ........Do You want to BUY some candy little girl?

BTW tringlomane its always good to know the legal age of consent in your state. (:


age of consent 16 (30): Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia
age of consent 17 (9): Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Texas, Wyoming
age of consent 18 (11): Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin,1



If anyone is offended by this, its a JOKE get over it.

M.S at her best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M11SvDtPBhA and it ant Hanna Montana. You think just teens are watching this Video?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 18th, 2013 at 1:02:31 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

When the Britney Spears phenomenon exploded a dozen or so years ago, I remember saying to myself, "Gee, you don't even need talent to be popular anymore, just looks." But nowadays, it seems that you don't need looks either! Case in point: Miley Cyrus.

Seriously, why is this girl popular? She can't sing, can't dance, and is not attractive in the least (not face-wise or body-wise). Is it just me though?

Do you think Miley is ugly, or am I being too hard on her?

Hmmm... I don't really care for most pop music and im not a Britney fan, but my GF is, I was Forced to see her in concert long ago and I don't think 90% of the worlds population could sing or dance as well as she can(can you?). to infer she has no talent and just looks, is defiantly a bad opinion.

I'm not comparing Britney to anyone other then the general population, certainly there are far more talented people.

You said " But nowadays, it seems that you don't need looks either!
I could name some old bands with no looks or talent, but that would piss some people off. Sex Pistols comes to mind. Nothings new since the 50's with how it all works.
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September 18th, 2013 at 1:30:01 AM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

Audrey Hepburn's prehensile neck-limb always creeped me out


Even though she was beautiful, I totally gotta agree with you about the neck. LOL!
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September 18th, 2013 at 1:31:12 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

im not a Britney fan, but my GF is, I was Forced to see her in concert long ago and I don't think 90% of the worlds population could sing or dance as well as she can(can you?).

Britney is/was an OK dancer, but her singing is really no better than anyone else's. (I heard a girl singing karaoke the other day who had more talent.) Plus, her songs are overproduced, and auto-tune has definitely helped her career.

But there's no way in hell she'd be able to pull off, say, a Norah Jones song or a Mariah Carey song.


Quote: AxelWolf

You said " But nowadays, it seems that you don't need looks either!
I could name some old bands with no looks or talent,

True, I didn't mean to imply that every singer/band of the past had talent and looks. What I meant is that there seems to be fewer singers today who have legitimate talent compared to the past. Auto-tune has definitely left its mark (stain?) on the music industry.
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September 18th, 2013 at 1:46:32 AM permalink
Quote: duckmankilla

Bar Refaeli

If her and Leo ever had a kid together, it might have been the most physically perfect specimen on the planet. Just saying.


With DiCaprio as the father?? I don't think so.

He'd ruin the kid's looks, just like Bruce Willis did to his daughters.
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September 18th, 2013 at 5:01:05 AM permalink
Quote: duckmankilla

- Bar Refaeli

My personal favorite. Those eyes are incredible. If her and Leo ever had a kid together, it might have been the most physically perfect specimen on the planet. Just saying.



Wiki is much less kind to her, which I used because I never heard of her until now. The pictures on her page make her look much older than 28. And the picture I am really talking about, she was only 26/27 at the time, but she looks 36/37 in it. Her wiki reminds me why I hate models, they usually look like crap when they aren't caked with makeup.
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September 18th, 2013 at 5:29:26 AM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

Grace Kelly makes Miley Cyrus look like a pile dog crap



This made me laugh. You're right of course, but Grace Kelly is among the most beautiful women of all time. Comparing Miley to GK is a rather high bar. Also Grace Kelly has been dead for 50 years so maybe we should move on.
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September 18th, 2013 at 5:43:12 AM permalink
Quote: vendman1

This made me laugh. You're right of course, but Grace Kelly is among the most beautiful women of all time. Comparing Miley to GK is a rather high bar. Also Grace Kelly has been dead for 50 years so maybe we should move on.



Wait just a second.... a dead Grace Kelly is better looking than Miley Cyrus
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September 18th, 2013 at 6:35:09 AM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

a dead Grace Kelly is better looking than Miley Cyrus


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September 18th, 2013 at 8:07:19 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

I watched the VMAs and I felt creeped out. But Miley has to escape the Disney bubble somehow, and this pretty much did it. Brittney and Lindsay also had to get out of the Disney bubble and go from kid star to adult star. Males tend to do it more gracefully.



I usually have little argument with boymimbo, but I only have to look at Macaulay Culkin or Justin Bieber to say that it's not whether they're boys or girls. There are lots of others through the years of both sexes. They're in this coccoon, surrounded by sycophants and people looking to make money off of them by trading on their bankability, making ridiculous money, and trying to predict (if they even think about it at all) from within their bubble how what they do will be perceived outside. Women have, loaded on top of that, the double standard about going from innocent girls who are not to be thought of as sexual beings to WILF's, but still need to maintain bankability. Some who recovered after making serious errors in that direction include Brooke Shields and Winona Ryder. Some didn't recover.
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