Played dice with Ahigh tonight.

Quote: MrV

All Alan asks is that you provide a video of you doing ONE CONTROLLED SHOT.

You know, with dice staying on axis yadda yadda yadda.

You won't; you can't.

All you crave is attention.

Sad.

So much ado about ... nothing.

That was the entire point of the last show that he already declared was a disaster.

Did you know that?

Almost as if I am being set up. Show us a controlled shot, and when I go for one specific shot that looks controlled, I get too many sevens and OH A DISASTER.

You guys clearly do not understand at all what I am going through as a result of your comments or you wouldn't be making them.

I guarantee you that much.

I hope you are as satisfied with your efforts when you realize their effects as I expect.

Your very PERSONAL and DEROGATORY comments (all you crave is attention) about me and my personality have been taken with GREAT OFFENSE MR V.

Quote: Ahigh

Your very PERSONAL and DEROGATORY comments about me and my personality have been taken with GREAT OFFENSE MR V.

Methinks you doth protest too much.

But if in fact you feel that I have offended you you can tell me all about it face to face at WovCon noon Saturday May 25th at Sugar Factory at Paris.

But unlike here, there will be no moderator.

I'm not hiding behind a keyboard, Aaron.

If you have something to say to me that will be your golden opportunity to do so.

But please understand something: I've nothing to say to you in person that I haven't said here; it really doesn't matter to me whether I ever meet you; as I once posted,I suspect that I would find your company quite annoying (although comments of others lead me to think you might not be quite as intolerable as I initially believed you to be).

A meeting probably won't change either of our points of view or opinions of one another; I deem you an attention seeking gambling-world wannabe; you deem me a cockroach.

Ahigh, you don't have to keep your dice on axis to show a controlled shot. If your shot is controlled show us and tell us why it is controlled. I think that was your mantra a while back on a different thread... show us.

So show us already. I'm not out to ruin your fun. You have made claims that you are a great shooter by design and never reported that you just got lucky. You set out to prove that dice control is real but you haven't proved it.

Are those of us who are critical of your claims out to get you? NO. We're not. But we are trying to keep you and everyone else who makes certain claims honest. You have made your own share of personal and derogatory comments including posting of various insulting photos and illustrations (probably because you think a picture is worth a thousand words).

By the way, when I hit the 5 numbers on the fire bet I started with a $100 buy in and left the table with $1850 after tipping the dealers $50. The five-number fire bet paid $1250.

The other night when I hit 4 numbers on the fire bet I left the table with $900 and I bought in for $40 at the $5 table.

Crazy things can happen with card craps... I must have rolled many 5-2, 4-3, 6-1 dice combinations that turned out to be passes or hardways.

By the way, when we last exchanged private messages you said we should "bury the hatchet" and meet up one night to play. I still want to meet up with you and in about a week my cameraman and editor will be off for a two week vacation and I am preparing to make a trip to LV and again I extend to you an invitation for dinner and to meet up.

Don't take this stuff personal. You've been told that before. If you want to compare stories about how people get shot down on web forums Mr V can tell you how I got shot down time after time for several years on another craps forum.

Quote: AlanMendelson

If you want to compare stories about how people get shot down on web forums Mr V can tell you how I got shot down time after time for several years on another craps forum.

As can several others of us. After all, it was never that personal with Mason.

Quote: SanchoPanza

As can several others of us. After all, it was never that personal with Mason.

I asked MrV what happened to Mason? Haven't heard from him in several years... like five, maybe?

Quote: Ahigh

Dude.

Why do you treat me like I'm trying to sell people on the whole idea of how great a shooter I am?

I am not attacking you, but SERIOUSLY go back and read some of your posts. I think I mentioned a few times you do in fact sound like you're BRAGGING how good you are and how well you do. To most people it sounds like your trying to sell something like yourself (no shame in that). I remember reading a post a while back which you started out by saying something like, I don't want to talk about me (something like that) and went on and on with I,I,I,I. I'm not trying to slam you, I like and respect you, I THINK YOUR A DOer not a TALKER very ambitious unlike a lot of keyboard warriors. You deserve a lot of credit "tips hat" "mad props", but I really wish you knew how most people view your reports. It seems like every chance you get you're tossing in how you did this or that at the craps table. If someone went back and quoted every time you said how much the dealers love you, how well you have done or whatever. It would be longer then a fat kids candy list.

I seems that this entire debate is very upsetting and emotional to you I can almost see you unraveling with Highs and lows. One minute your happy posting pictures of you kids next your pleading for mercy almost bipolar like .
WHY TORTURE YOURSELF? just Play craps have fun and win. Why do you care what your critics think?

Quote: AlanMendelson

I asked MrV what happened to Mason? Haven't heard from him in several years... like five, maybe?

Nor have I.

One can only assume he's sleeping the sleep of the just deep in the heart of Texas.

Quote: MrV

unlike here, there will be no moderator.

I'm not hiding behind a keyboard, Aaron.

If you have something to say to me that will be your golden opportunity to do so.

Somebody bring boxing gloves so they have less chance to hurt themselves!

Aaron/Ahigh--When Dan reported that he played with you, he remarked: And he tips, he's no stiff.

I know there's been other threads on tipping and there is a variety of viewpoints. But I am interested in your approach on tipping (especially in view of Dan's remark)--

What is your approach to tipping? How do you tip the dealers--which bets for the dealers? How much? How often? Are your tips based more on whether your winning and up at the time or is it based more on the length of your play, regardless of winning or losing? Do you only tip by betting for the dealers or do you also hand-in tips?

You have commented that the dealers like you and look upon you favorably. Do you think that is true because of your level of tipping or do you attribute the dealer's admiration for you to something other than tipping (or something in addition to the tipping)?

Quote: odiousgambit

Somebody bring boxing gloves.

Heck, from two major videophiles we expect expertly edited tapes from both points of view.

Quote: odiousgambit

Somebody bring boxing gloves so they have less chance to hurt themselves!

Get ready.

Aaron has posted before in responding to his critics to the effect that they would lack the courage to say to his face the things they say to / about him online, i.e. they are "hiding behind a keyboard."

I am coming to WovCon not to confront Aaron, but to meet, interact, and gamble with any board members that show up.

I've no particular desire to continue the dice setting discussion in Las Vegas; I will engage in further discussion if I deem it appropriate to do so, but it is not my desire or intent to provoke or engage in argument at the meet and greet with him or anybody else.

Our opinions are known, there would be little profit in either of us getting angry or upset with one another in the real world.

My plan is to meet some kindred gambling souls from this board, shoot the breeze, and then shoot some craps.

I will be "hiding" in plain sight.

Thanks for the comments, and I totally respect those who are not afraid to meet and speak with folks in the real world. I am all about the real world!

So when is the WovCon and where is it being held?

Quote: superrick

So when is the WovCon and where is it being held?

As I understand it, the "main event" is lunch at Sugar Factory at Paris Casino starting noon, May 25th; after lunch, craps at Casino Royale.

Also, I recall something about an informal get together at the Main Street Station craps tables on Friday.

I for one am up for other activities as well, as can be discussed and agreed upon, e.g. zip line at FSE or the like.

There is a thread .

The more, the merrier!

Quote: MrV

As I understand it, the "main event" is lunch at Sweet Factory at Paris Casino starting noon, May 25th; after lunch, craps at Casino Royale.

I believe the name is "Sugar Factory".

Quote: Beethoven9th

Quote: MrV

As I understand it, the "main event" is lunch at Sweet Factory at Paris Casino starting noon, May 25th; after lunch, craps at Casino Royale.

I believe the name is "Sugar Factory".

Oops.

Thanks, I corrected it.

I never play at MSS. I may have to get in some practice time on those tables. The last time I played there was with Teddy when I lost almost $1,000 trying to keep pace with his outsized bets relative to mine at the time.

I hate the MSS tables! Crowded and difficult for me for a variety of reasons.

Quote: Ahigh

I never play at MSS. I may have to get in some practice time on those tables. The last time I played there was with Teddy when I lost almost $1,000 trying to keep pace with his outsized bets relative to mine at the time.

I hate the MSS tables! Crowded and difficult for me for a variety of reasons.

The only way to win there is to be of Asian-decent...us honky's are just screwed...

I did win $65 from a $120 buy-in at California Casino this morning after (mostly) successfully chasing two back-to-back four-figure losses at the Plaza and LVC.

I so much prefer to not have to pull out all my money and just win a few bucks in a few minutes and leave. I generally refuse to lose until they just wear me down. I lost $10 at LVC and $200 at the Plaza IIRC. What a night. The trip downtown was a net win though between the four places.

I also won $240 in about 7 minutes ($200 buy-in $440 cash out) at the Golden Nugget at a $25 table around 11:30pm last night. I should have stopped then and went home but I still had energy!

Quote: TIMSPEED

The only way to win there is to be of Asian-decent...us honky's are just screwed...

Wow ! And your decent is superior ?
Hmmmm, Any relation to your almighty Hitler? Apparently your prejudice. I would not want to be you walking through those dark areas of downtown Vegas anytime soon Dude.

Quote: sevenout77

Wow ! And your decent is superior ?
Hmmmm, Any relation to your almighty Hitler? Apparently your prejudice. I would not want to be you walking through those dark areas of downtown Vegas anytime soon Dude.

Um...I think that was just a joke. Heck, he called himself a "honky".

I enjoy the Cal.

It is different to be in the distinct minority: most patrons are Hawaiians.

Love the Hawaiian foods in their coffee shop / restaurant.

I had a comp at the steakhouse over there and found their Filet Mignon with Shrimp to be some of the best eating I've had in this fine town too!

I have always found The Cal and MSS to have good food and great employees. Never stayed in either, but the brewpub is a good deal and Pasta Pirate is an old favorite. Many strip casinos could learn a lot from these two casinos.

13 trips to Vegas over the past 7 years, and the last tri[ was the first time I had ever been to MSS (to play craps with teddy). I was pleasantly surprised. It is nice enough inside, and the craps game was a good game. I will definitely stop in and play there again.

Quote: Ahigh

I hate the MSS tables! Crowded and difficult for me for a variety of reasons.

You got me thinking as to priority of reasons to dislike a particular venue for craps. Bad enough not to return.

Inconsiderate players would probably be the top of my list--especially shoving, coughing, dirty players.

A bad experience with the dealers may come second. In this regard, I can put up with some slowness and even some correctable errors--maybe because they're newer and not used to my play on the Don'ts. But if the dealer is mean or disrespectful (to me or to others) or if the dealers are not appreciative of the tips (e.g. failing to say thank you), then that would be a reason not to want to return.

There is one casino I have not returned to in a long while due to the situation of the table itself. The length of the table is aircraft carrier size and the lighting is terrible and it is extremely difficult to see the opposite end. It used to be much better, but when they changed it, I decided there were better places to patronize.

I'd probably put crowded table much lower on the list of reasons not to return--if at all. What could be crowded one minute may be entirely different a short while later (and vice versus). So it is hard to blame the casino for a crowded situation, considering the difficulty and logistics of bringing in a new crew to open an additional table for what could be an unforeseen circumstance.

Of course, there are lots of reasons to want to return, but you, Ahigh, talked about reasons to "hate" the tables.

By definition of the table being crowded, most people like it. I want an empty table with ideal characteristics for what I am looking for. 20x odds generally isn't a concern for me until my bankroll can support that level of odds, and I'm not there yet. So I look for 10x tables, which pretty much is the Las Vegas Club in that neck of the woods. The LVC table is not ideal, but I'm trying to get used to it. I had a very long roll after wading through things for a while over there this morning.

I hesitate to go through what I don't like about tables on a public forum. I don't want casinos to know what I don't like about tables because I don't want to give them any ideas of what to change.

One thing I can tell you that I dislike though is overly worn parts of the table. At the LVC, for example, the rubber is actually coming apart and they have tape and staples on the rubber trying to hold it in place. This is a cosmetic issue only, but I don't want to play at some ghetto-ass looking table! But since this is one thing that is really just cosmetic, I will say that it's a thing that I look for. A table that is in good condition would be a table at the Aria or at the Cosmopolitan. You never get cheaper than a $10 game over there and it's only 345x odds, but everything is in tip-top condition! So it's a trade-off to me. Even if I'm just trying to make money, I don't want to feel like I'm in the ghetto to do it.

Quote: Jimbo

Aaron/Ahigh--When Dan reported that he played with you, he remarked: And he tips, he's no stiff.

I know there's been other threads on tipping and there is a variety of viewpoints. But I am interested in your approach on tipping (especially in view of Dan's remark)--

What is your approach to tipping? How do you tip the dealers--which bets for the dealers? How much? How often? Are your tips based more on whether your winning and up at the time or is it based more on the length of your play, regardless of winning or losing? Do you only tip by betting for the dealers or do you also hand-in tips?

You have commented that the dealers like you and look upon you favorably. Do you think that is true because of your level of tipping or do you attribute the dealer's admiration for you to something other than tipping (or something in addition to the tipping)?

I tip with intention. Any time I make a tip, it is generally to let those that I am tipping know that I reward for service. I don't tip for pity. I don't tip because I feel like I can "afford it" or because I have so much money I am obligated to tip.

I'll give you an example of a tip. Last night at the Golden Nugget, I was at an empty $25 table. The guys looked bored when I walked up. The stick man was a Chinese dude who's name is "Rong." I had seen him two days earlier and when he got tapped out, I made a stupid joke about his name. Not as lame as "So Rong" because he was Chinese not Japanese. But something like "I like you Rong, you're ah-right."

So when I recognized him on stick on this empty table, I said to him, "hey you're name is Rong isn't it." Then I looked at his name tag. Then at his face. He has a very straight face all business and generally no response at all. So I said, "yeah I made some stupid joke about your name when you walked away from the table a couple days ago. I bet you never heard any jokes about your name before huh, Rong?"

Still he has a straight face. So I say to him, "hey smile Rong, I'm just having fun. Is something bothering you? Is everything alright?" Still the straight face. So then I say as a throw a chip toward the drop box, "how about you smile now?" He was working really hard not to smile actually but that finally got through to him and he laughed genuinely.

Now I know I'm being an ass. I like to be an ass like this. But when I feel like I'm just going to far, I always have that thing that I can do to let them know I appreciate them in their position of being at work while I am just there for them to entertain. That's my position. Especially at an empty table, entertain me! Nobody else is around, so you are working for me. If I am entertained, here's a buck!

I hope that helps. And yes, I get my money's worth busting dealers' chops all the time. Yes the crew at Fiesta Rancho likes me. They would probably HATE me if I never tipped and acted the same way though. So I guess you could say I pay the price for my behavior when I torture the dealers. But I always do it in a way that ultimately I am trying to get everyone to loosen up a little. And if it puts me in the position of being the guy who decides how much money they get tipped, then that gives me a little edge to be "in control" of what's going on at the table.

Early on in my craps play, I ran across some advice which has stood me in good stead: dealers make mistakes, and when you tip them, a surprising number of mistakes are in YOUR favor.

I see it fairly regularly: typically either a hard way bet stays up when a soft number is thrown, or a come bet is "overlooked" and left up when a natural is rolled on the come out.

Quote: MrV

or a come bet is "overlooked" and left up when a natural is rolled on the come out.

Wouldnt a come bet be paid if a natural was thrown on the come out?

So no fight ? Dam, I was wondering if anyone had a +240 and over 6 rounds. That definitely would have turned out a major crowd I definitely would have bought tickets.

Ummmmm So you'r saying,
Honky is the SUPERIOR race or etnicity? Read the statement originally made by Timspeed. Timspeed is alluding to the fact that if you are NOT asian you can not win. What part of that did you miss ?
I would say that is a prejudice aired publicly all I am saying is I would not want to be Timspeed anytime too soon walking along the dark streets of downtown Vegas.

Timspeed mentioned MSS specifically along with Asian.
Perhaps Timspeed may want to stay clear of that area for a time making statements as Timspeed made.

It is my belief that this is a public forum and there is no room for prejudices, or negative connotations of any type. Am I the one and only that believes this way?

Quote: TIMSPEED

The only way to win there is to be of Asian-decent...us honky's are just screwed...

Afterall, we could say that if your bank roll is not large enough that there is just no way to win therefore Timspeed you are still screwed.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Wouldnt a come bet be paid if a natural was thrown on the come out?

you can't make this stuff up!

Serious question, are you considered a racist if you sometimes stereotype people even though some stereotypes are somewhat true?

OK, ''blocked thread time' for this one ...

I am talking about when you have one or more come bets up when a shooter makes his point.

Then, on the next come out roll by the shooter: he rolls a seven/natural: this normally would cause you to lose your come bets, but every once in awhile, if I tip them, dealers happen to make mistakes in my favor.

Not a lot, and never anything obvious: but always appreciated.

Quote: AxelWolf

Serious question, are you considered a racist if you sometimes stereotype people even though some stereotypes are somewhat true?

I believe that stereotyping IS a form of racism. Racial profiling is stereotyping. I see racial and stereotyping in the same sentence there. Therefore I view them as equal. Anytime someone on a public forum as this specifies a place along with a race or ethnicity that is prejudices being brought forth. I ask is nthere not enough of this behavior in our society today to warrant a concern when it is displayed upon a public forum as this ? Afterall, for all we know Timspeed could be the next Boston Bomber. I believe that is how it all begins, by being accepted. It is something I do not accept. Furthermore I believe anyone that has to spew prejudices on a public forum should be banned. Just saying......

Quote: Ahigh

I hesitate to go through what I don't like about tables on a public forum. I don't want casinos to know what I don't like about tables because I don't want to give them any ideas of what to change.

Quote: sevenout77

Afterall, we could say that if your bank roll is not large enough that there is just no way to win therefore Timspeed you are still screwed.

Quote: Beethoven9th

Ahigh, you (and me) are just one out of a million gamblers that casinos don't give a crap about. It might be different if it was someone with a little higher profile--like the Wizard or Frank Scoblete--but let's be honest, casinos aren't going to change based on what either of us thinks.

Don't be so sure. Remember, Ahigh called ahead to tell them he would be playing at the Wynn and they had suits watching him. Ahigh is well known in town, and makes sure that the casinos know who he is. And he does have a TV show, and he has a website, and he has YouTube videos, and he posts here. He has some clout. Just ask him.

Quote: sevenout77

Afterall, we could say that if your bank roll is not large enough that there is just no way to win therefore Timspeed you are still screwed.

You have a better chance of getting Suspended for flooding for making four consecutive statements all involving materially the same subject matter.

In any case, I'm not Suspending you or him (didn't see anything wrong with the post) and PM's are definitely a more effective way to get my attention than flooding the thread.

Quote: AlanMendelson

...Just ask him.

Quote: Beethoven9th

Ahigh, you (and me) are just one out of a million gamblers that casinos don't give a crap about. It might be different if it was someone with a little higher profile--like the Wizard or Frank Scoblete--but let's be honest, casinos aren't going to change based on what either of us thinks.

You are forgetting that Ahigh is the worlds top expert on Craps. That he has the best setup. That everyone knows him when he enters the casino. And that he has "an edge" when he plays.

ZCore13

Quote: Ahigh

I tip with intention. Any time I make a tip, it is generally to let those that I am tipping know that I reward for service. I don't tip for pity. I don't tip because I feel like I can "afford it" or because I have so much money I am obligated to tip.

Thanks for your response about tipping.

However, I was hoping to get a little more detail about the specifics of your tipping. I don't really know what "I tip with intention" means, though I think I figured it out with the rest of your response.

I am trying to determine whether my own tipping is good or bad or should be altered--whether I am fair to myself while being fair to the dealers. For example, one thing I've learned on this Forum is that APs rarely tip because they see themselves as operating with such a thin edge that tips would easily eliminate that edge.

I thought, Ahigh, that you would share a few more details--such as amount of tips; how often; whether you bet for the dealers or do hand-ins or both; if betting for the dealers, then which kind of bets; etc.

The reason, again, that I ask you is that Dan's remark about your play is that "he tips, he's no stiff." By being "no stiff" I took that to mean you are perhaps generous. If so, how much is generous?

Instead, you've described a "sort of funny dance" (my words) that you have with the dealers that you find amusing and which you believe the dealers think is amusing as well. And you take pride or satisfaction in "busting the dealers' chops all the time" (your words) and that you get your "money's worth" (again, your words) apparently from the tips and the dealers do not hate you for this because of the tips.

Quote: Ahigh

So I guess you could say I pay the price for my behavior when I torture the dealers.

So am I correct to conclude that this is what you mean by "tipping with intention?" That it is the price you pay to be able to "torture" the dealers?

Again, how much is this costing you?

Not to be confrontational, but do you really believe the dealers enjoy being "tortured" regardless of the level of tips?

Let me tell you how I tipped ten minutes ago.

I went to Mandalay Bay. I bought in for $100 at a ten dollar table. I was rolling lots of hard 6's and hard 8's. The first hit, I bet a $1 hard 8 with a $30 working on the comeout and rolled it in one roll and said "ten and down on the hard 8." This made the point that I could call a shot and got the dealers attention.

So the next hard eight I made it a two way and the dealer stacked it for player control and said "let's parlay it." I said no problem. The 8 came easy, and I put back a hard 8 on a two way. A little action occurred and I had an extra $2 and I said "press up the 2-way hard 8." I then said, "come on stick man let's go from 2 to 2000."

The sticks were excited. They know that I have rolled three hards with no easy in that casino the last time I was there.

The stick man started talking to another dealer about one of the staff having gout, and I reminded the stick man, hey stick help me focus I'm trying to roll a hard 8.

The stick man ignored me, mostly, and I threw a seven.

I then said politely, "hey stick I need your help to focus in and call these numbers for me." I then tipped them another dollar and said "lock it up" as I reprimanded the stick man.

My session win was exactly $50. When they colored me up with my buy-in with an additional two green chips I took a single dollar bill out of my wallet and I said to the dealers, "hey you guys have been very polite and I really appreciate the service."

The translation should have been in their minds "if you had paid more attention to your bets you might have gotten a bigger (IE: $2000) tip."

I also threw in two additional dollars during the process as the dealers were being very happy to see me winning, and I say "LOCK IT UP NO BET."

So total tips they got were $3 for a $50 win. Total amount of money I expended to tip them was about $6. But they lost half. So it was more than 10% of my wins to tip them. They were overall good, which I did explicitly tell them "thank you for being so polite."

But they could have paid more attention instead of yacking about the guy with gout instead of encouraging me to get a parlay hit on the hard 8.

I don't know if this is enough detail, but this just happened minutes ago and is very accurate of both the amount as well as how I tip. All the money on the hardways is more or less a write-off. A $1 hard 8 with a $30 eight place bet is noise in the weighted edge on the table. A $1 hard eight with a $3 place bet on the 8 is another story on the edge. But I got dollars and other loose change for this type of thing.

I got no sodas and I tipped no waitresses and I brought a can of soda with me that I finished and left the empty can in the car. I save a lot of money buying bulk sodas and no drinking alcohol at all.

I for one am not bothered by the crew talking to one another during a craps roll.

So long as they do their job quickly and competently, let em yak.

Just curious: did you think you would actually do better if they silently watched you roll?

If so: why?

These guys are probably bored out of their minds: show them some mercy.

Quote: Ahigh

I don't know if this is enough detail, but this just happened minutes ago and is very accurate of both the amount as well as how I tip.

Thanks for the additional information. I agree with Dan, you are "no stiff." Tips totaling $6 on a $100 buy-in with a $50 win is certainly more than what other players may do.

I must say it has been illuminating, or at least revealing, to learn from your various posts more about how you play and your attitudes about the game of craps. Not necessarily about tipping, but, rather, about so many other things--particularly things that you think are relevant or important and which I do not.

You and I think much differently. That is not a suggestion that one of us is right and the other wrong. It is simply enjoyable to learn how other people approach the game. That's the reason I joined this Forum.