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September 11th, 2012 at 4:29:03 PM
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Quote: thecesspitSure, that's right, I don't remember, but you do. Of course, that's it!
(shakes head)
Sure! And homogeneity is the only method by which anyone can ever fit in. Acceptance of differing beliefs is not an option.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
September 11th, 2012 at 4:59:56 PM
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Quote: thecesspitSure, that's right, I don't remember, but you do.
Its the poisoness W Canadian air, it tricks
you into thinking all places are full of
basket weaving pot heads who never
leave college and drink 10 pints of beer
every day.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 11th, 2012 at 5:13:07 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIts the poisoness W Canadian air, it tricks
you into thinking all places are full of
basket weaving pot heads who never
leave college and drink 10 pints of beer
every day.
I'm confused...are we talking about London or Vancouver? :-)
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
September 11th, 2012 at 5:53:22 PM
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I'm confused as well, I have no idea where Bob is talking about in either case.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 11th, 2012 at 6:06:35 PM
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Quote: thecesspitI'm confused as well, I have no idea where Bob is talking about in either case.
You don't live in Western Canada anymore?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 11th, 2012 at 6:47:20 PM
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Quote: EvenBobYou don't live in Western Canada anymore?
Not the one that exists in your reality.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 11th, 2012 at 9:36:59 PM
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Quote: thecesspitNot the one that exists in your reality.
So you live in the one that has wall to wall
coffee shops, designer beer taverns, and
an endless homelessness problem, the
real W Canada. The marijuana leaf, not
the maple leaf, is the unofficial symbol
of Western Canada.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 11th, 2012 at 9:46:24 PM
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Quote: EvenBobSo you live in the one that has wall to wall
coffee shops, designer beer taverns, and
an endless homelessness problem, the
real W Canada. The marijuana leaf, not
the maple leaf, is the unofficial symbol
of Western Canada.
I don't know, is that the one in your reality, or one you read about on the internet? It's easy, ain't it, to talk about a place by a series of stereotypes and small snippets you might have seen once, and another thing to actually be somewhere and know what it's really like.
As Western Canada stretches from the Yukon, across the Cascade and Coastal Mountains, the pacific North West Islands, Vancouver, the deserts, the fertile vine lands, the Rockies, the oil fields and ranch lands, I guess it might just be as Bob describes. I've not seen it all yet.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 11th, 2012 at 9:51:38 PM
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Quote: thecesspitVancouver, the deserts, the fertile vine lands,t.
My wife and I were in Vancouver 10 years ago
for two days, and towards the end my wife
whispers to me, very uncharacteristically,
"Are there any black people in Vancouver?"
And I realized I was wondering that too. No
wonder those in W Canada are so quick to
play the racist card, those who live are as
pure as the driven snow. And as white..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 11th, 2012 at 10:05:58 PM
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Two whole days, eh? Wow, you must have seen it all. Like China town and Richmond. Further out, Prince George, Haida Gwaii, the lower Cowichan Valley. Strong holds of white people, all of them. My best friend in Van lives in the centre of downtown. She ain't white. You did a great job there then. With such great observations, no wonder you came to such great conclusions about London as well. Alberta is as right leaning as parts of BC are left, socialist and green.
Your final paragraph makes no sense anyways. Who in "western canada" (which is much like saying "western USA for all the good it does to describe a specific location or even a specific type of person) plays the racist card so quickly? Examples?
Your final paragraph makes no sense anyways. Who in "western canada" (which is much like saying "western USA for all the good it does to describe a specific location or even a specific type of person) plays the racist card so quickly? Examples?
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 11th, 2012 at 10:21:48 PM
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Quote: thecesspitTwo whole days, eh? Wow, you must have seen it all.
I dunno, we went to malls and a movie and restaurants
and downtown and lots of places. Must have just been
the day were there. Did see lots of homeless people,
just like Seattle. And it was 10 years ago, I understand
its really pleasant there now. The homeless aren't stupid,
they always migrate to the Left coast where the stoned
and gullible and perpetually guilty live..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2012 at 7:18:11 AM
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As is so often the case, Bob is both right and wrong. Yes, Vancouver does have a rather high density of homeless people. No, I really doubt it has to do with where the stoned, gullible and perpetually guilty live. Much more likely that Vancouver is one of the very few metropolitan areas of Canada in which a person can even survive outdoors year round.
September 12th, 2012 at 8:12:23 AM
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Quote: thecesspitYour final paragraph makes no sense anyways. Who in "western canada" (which is much like saying "western USA for all the good it does to describe a specific location or even a specific type of person) plays the racist card so quickly? Examples?
I'll ask Bob this question again as he conveniently decided not to answer it last time.
Doc : Yes, Vancouver's Lower East side has a homelessness problem. And addiction problems. And mental health problems. I'd tell people to avoid if visiting. However that is -Vancouver- not the whole of "Western Canada". The reason is as Doc describes... it's a temperate rainforest here, and not frozen during 6 months of the year. Plus, some of the social policies taken by both the NDP and BC Liberals have been failures. The Lower East Side has it's own complete share of special problems, which compared to the rest of the city is a huge contrast. Part of what makes Vancouver, Vancouver. Cos the truth is always much more complex than a glib one liner, or can be found with just a two day visit to some malls, cinema and restaurants (lots of places, right).
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 12th, 2012 at 12:56:01 PM
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Quote: thecesspitI'll ask Bob this question again as he conveniently decided not to answer it last time.
There was a question here? All I see is a statement. Whats the
question.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2012 at 1:04:30 PM
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Quote: EvenBobThere was a question here? All I see is a statement. Whats the
question.
I repeated it in my last post. In the quote.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 12th, 2012 at 1:15:50 PM
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Quote: thecesspitI repeated it in my last post. In the quote.
Who plays the race card quickly? ALL the west coast
cities with the huge homeless problems. San Francisco,
Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, Sacramento.
Its partly the weather, but mostly the extreme liberal
values that draw homeless people like a magnet to
these cities. They know they can get away with almost
anything and not go to jail.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2012 at 1:28:28 PM
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DOUBLE POST
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 12th, 2012 at 1:29:48 PM
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Quote: EvenBobWho plays the race card quickly? ALL the west coast
cities with the huge homeless problems. San Francisco,
Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, Sacramento.
Its partly the weather, but mostly the extreme liberal
values that draw homeless people like a magnet to
these cities. They know they can get away with almost
anything and not go to jail.
Quote: EvenBobAnd I realized I was wondering that too. No
wonder those in W Canada are so quick to
play the racist card, those who live are as
pure as the driven snow. And as white..
Ah, it's the CITIES that play the racism card... not actual people you can identify or point to in "Western Canada" (which appears to actually mean the downtown core of Vancouver to Bob). Who aren't actually all white as the driven snow.
So it's the homelessness that makes the city play the racism card, or is it the liberals, or is the white people being overly gullible? Or all of these facts? What is your point, or are you trying to just make vapid comments on a subject where you've been found wanting.
I'd rather listen to Rush Limbaugh. He's far more entertaining, and at least you can follow him step by step.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 12th, 2012 at 1:53:16 PM
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Quote: thecesspit
So it's the homelessness that makes the city play the racism card,
Homelessness has nothing to do with it. Its the
entrenched Lib attitude in the cities that makes
them thin skinned and guilt ridden towards
people of color, so they whip out those race
cards and fling them around hoping it will
divert any attention away from their own racism,
while they live in million dollar homes and
drive $60K cars and drive by all the homeless
people that populate their cities.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2012 at 1:58:10 PM
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And BOOM! EvenBob plays the racism card himself.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 12th, 2012 at 1:59:35 PM
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Holy Crap!! Did they put crack in the water in Michigan again?
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
September 12th, 2012 at 2:11:22 PM
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Quote: thecesspitAnd BOOM! EvenBob plays the racism card himself.
To a Lib, which you are, EVERYTHING is the race
card. Talking about race, thinking about race, it
all make you guilty of being a racist. The only
thing that makes you not guilty, is totally ignoring
it all together. Pretend people of color don't exist,
pretend everybody is the same, always look straight
ahead when driving your car. And keep the doors
locked at all times. Of course.
Even Jesse Jackson said he gets nervous when he
walks down the street and there are young black
guys behind him. If a white guy says it, he's a
racist. When jackson says it, he's just speaking
the truth.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2012 at 2:27:11 PM
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Quote: EvenBobTo a Lib, which you are, EVERYTHING is the race
card. Talking about race, thinking about race, it
all make you guilty of being a racist. The only
thing that makes you not guilty, is totally ignoring
it all together. Pretend people of color don't exist,
pretend everybody is the same, always look straight
ahead when driving your car. And keep the doors
locked at all times. Of course.
Even Jesse Jackson said he gets nervous when he
walks down the street and there are young black
guys behind him. If a white guy says it, he's a
racist. When jackson says it, he's just speaking
the truth.
Keep barking, keep barking. We can lend you some trees from Canada if you run out.
I'm glad the Conservatives have this all figured out. They think about race, talk about race and worry about race all the time, it seems. Must be the only way forward.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 12th, 2012 at 2:31:56 PM
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I like how you either agree with Bob, or you're a "lib." As if there wasn't an Asia-sized piece of land between Bob's little ideological island and centrism.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
September 12th, 2012 at 2:40:02 PM
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Quote: thecesspit
I'm glad the Conservatives have this all figured out.
Nothing to figure out. I lived on the Left
coast for 7 years, out of control Liberalism
is the reason I left.
We don't have a homeless problem where
I live, they don't stand at intersections with
signs and sleep on the sidewalks in sleeping
bags in the summer. You know why? We
don't tolerate it. If they try it, they get so much
crap from people in the first 3 hours, they
give up.
Hold a sign that says 'will work for food' and
you'll have people stopping to offer you work.
Try sitting on the sidewalks and if the cops
don't hassle you, the people in cars will.
There was a homeless 'special' on the local
TV station this summer. It was about a bunch
of middle aged wino's that set up a shack village
on the west side, down by the river. They were
all on some king of assistance and spent their
days lounging in the shade and drinking wine
from gallon jugs. No kids, no women. This
was supposed to be appalling. It was hilarious.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2012 at 5:53:53 AM
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The PA Supremes heard the case agains the new Voter ID law. Looks as though they blew a hole you can drive through as to the claim about all those people who do not have ID. The following was from FoxNews.com:
But John Knorr, the Pennsylvania Chief deputy attorney general supporting the law, said that is not so. He countered by saying, "The burden, it seems to me, is quite minimal."
He told the court, "Most people can get photo ID's quite easily," noting the state's efforts to make them widely available.
"This idea that ... on Election Day, we are going to have one million and a half voters without ID's is a fantasy. If you look at the whole population of Pennsylvania, the whole adult population, we don't have that many people without driver’s licenses, let alone registered voters."
But John Knorr, the Pennsylvania Chief deputy attorney general supporting the law, said that is not so. He countered by saying, "The burden, it seems to me, is quite minimal."
He told the court, "Most people can get photo ID's quite easily," noting the state's efforts to make them widely available.
"This idea that ... on Election Day, we are going to have one million and a half voters without ID's is a fantasy. If you look at the whole population of Pennsylvania, the whole adult population, we don't have that many people without driver’s licenses, let alone registered voters."
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
September 14th, 2012 at 5:55:53 AM
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They argued the PA Voter ID law before the PA Supremes yesterday. Looks as though the state is on the ball, blew a big hole in that argument about all those people with no ID in one simple way, showing the numbers. From foxnews.com:
But John Knorr, the Pennsylvania Chief deputy attorney general supporting the law, said that is not so. He countered by saying, "The burden, it seems to me, is quite minimal."
He told the court, "Most people can get photo ID's quite easily," noting the state's efforts to make them widely available.
"This idea that ... on Election Day, we are going to have one million and a half voters without ID's is a fantasy. If you look at the whole population of Pennsylvania, the whole adult population, we don't have that many people without driver’s licenses, let alone registered voters."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/pennsylvania-supreme-court-hears-arguments-on-voter-id-law/#ixzz26RpjH1RB
But John Knorr, the Pennsylvania Chief deputy attorney general supporting the law, said that is not so. He countered by saying, "The burden, it seems to me, is quite minimal."
He told the court, "Most people can get photo ID's quite easily," noting the state's efforts to make them widely available.
"This idea that ... on Election Day, we are going to have one million and a half voters without ID's is a fantasy. If you look at the whole population of Pennsylvania, the whole adult population, we don't have that many people without driver’s licenses, let alone registered voters."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/pennsylvania-supreme-court-hears-arguments-on-voter-id-law/#ixzz26RpjH1RB
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
September 14th, 2012 at 6:22:19 AM
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Quote: AZDuffman"If you look at the whole population of Pennsylvania, the whole adult population, we don't have that many people without driver’s licenses, let alone registered voters."
While I don't think I have posted previously in this thread, I am generally in favor of requiring that people prove their identity and residence when they register to vote and again proving their identity at the time of casting their vote. I am skeptical of the claims that obtaining photo ID is burdensome to someone who genuinely wishes to vote.
However, while reading AZ's post, a couple of thoughts occurred to me: Is a driver's license the preferred voter photo ID in most areas? What happens in those areas where it is the norm to have the photo/license held after a traffic citation, as a form of guarantee that the driver will pay the fine or show up at court? Could a police officer disenfranchise a voter by issuing a citation as the driver/voter is headed to the poll? Usually, the ticket itself serves as the temporary driver's license in those cases, but it doesn't have a photo.
September 14th, 2012 at 6:31:10 AM
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Quote: rdw4potusI like how you either agree with Bob, or you're a "lib." As if there wasn't an Asia-sized piece of land between Bob's little ideological island and centrism.
Right. This is why I don't understand why we keep having these conversations. Has anyone been convinced of anything? This is all pretty pointless.
September 14th, 2012 at 6:39:16 AM
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Quote: Doc
However, while reading AZ's post, a couple of thoughts occurred to me: Is a driver's license the preferred voter photo ID in most areas? What happens in those areas where it is the norm to have the photo/license held after a traffic citation, as a form of guarantee that the driver will pay the fine or show up at court? Could a police officer disenfranchise a voter by issuing a citation as the driver/voter is headed to the poll? Usually, the ticket itself serves as the temporary driver's license in those cases, but it doesn't have a photo.
AFIK, in PA you cannot lose your license "on the spot" for any reason. Biggest offenses for suspension are DUI and running school bus flashing lights. In a DUI you tecnically probably cannot vote drunk anyways. Bars are closed during election hours in any case, and to worry about that small possibility is silly. The school bus thing you still have a hearing, and the loss is I think 90 days, so you have plenty of time to make arrangements, as PA uses a "mail it in" system, where you can wait a day or mail it in early and make arrangements. NOTE: some of this might have changed over the years, based on knowlege of how the sysem worked in my younger days. Given better computer tech these days they may just suspend it, no mail-in required.
I think your concern is based on old practice. Since the national Drivers License Compact and better enforcement, you no longer have to post your license as a bond. I have not heard of having to do this since the 1970s.
I will concede, though, a valid point.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
September 15th, 2012 at 8:23:44 PM
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Quote: DocWhat happens in those areas where it is the norm to have the photo/license held after a traffic citation, as a form of guarantee that the driver will pay the fine or show up at court? Could a police officer disenfranchise a voter by issuing a citation as the driver/voter is headed to the poll? Usually, the ticket itself serves as the temporary driver's license in those cases, but it doesn't have a photo.
That's why states issue separate authentic photo ID's that are legally valid.
February 19th, 2013 at 2:43:43 PM
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So we don't have any cases of voter fraud?
It is as bad and worse than we have been saying.
It is as bad and worse than we have been saying.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
