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Quote: EvenBobA racist stat. I'm sure half were black, half were white, and the other
half were Latino. That makes sense.
You don't have to be blind to race to not be racist. You just have to be able to not jump to race based conclusions.
Quote: EvenBobA racist stat. I'm sure half were black, half were white, and the other
half were Latino. That makes sense.
Deflection. Standard Bob tactic.
Quote: kulinYou don't have to be blind to race to not be racist.
Wrong. Just being aware of race makes you a racist.
Just watching a movie thats not half white, half black,
with the other half being Latino, makes you a racist.
I'm probably a racist for even writing this, or for
using the word racist at all.
Quote: RonCWhile blacks make up about 33 percent of the city's population, they accounted for nearly 78 percent of the homicide victims through the first six months of 2012.
It is more than notable that neither the well-known writer Walter Williams, who is quoted in the New American article, nor the two publications even ventured to ascertain who committed the homicides. It seems that maybe all the Chicago and all the Illinois law enforcement officials and their agencies just don't have any idea who is doing the shootings. That ought to be brought to light and stated in each article. Not doing so is blatantly dishonest.
Quote: RonCBy comparison, just 11 homicide victims in the first six months of the year were white, and 44 were Hispanic, according to police data
Maybe those groups can do some things to make sure that their numbers match the experts' quotas.
Quote: kulinI fully believe that if the other easier avenues to voter fraud were tightened up, then a lack of ID laws for in person voting could potentially be the next targeted area but we are not actually there.
What "other easier avenues" specifically do you have in mind?
Quote: EvenBobA racist stat. I'm sure half were black, half were white, and the other
half were Latino. That makes sense.
I guess it depends on how you count. If Barack Obama was killed in Chicago this summer, would you count him as a "black" death?
Quote: rdw4potusIf Barack Obama was killed in Chicago this summer, would you count him as a "black" death?
Nah. He'd have to have the plague for me to consider it a black death.
Quote: rdw4potusI guess it depends on how you count. If Barack Obama was killed in Chicago this summer, would you count him as a "black" death?
What does he consider himself?
Quote: kulinNo but your statement might be.
Why? Expecting the same of all raced is somehow racist?
Quote: AZDuffmanWhy? Expecting the same of all raced is somehow racist?
Presupposing that black people are poor and poor people are black is racist.
Quote: DocNah. He'd have to have the plague for me to consider it a black death.
LOL! I wondered if anyone would take that one:-)
Quote: RonCWhat does he consider himself?
Who is he talking to:-)
Quote: rdw4potusPresupposing that black people are poor and poor people are black is racist.
Assuming that black people are black is racist.
A white person just looking at a black person
is considered racist.
Quote: EvenBobAssuming that black people are black is racist.
Nah, they're definitely black. Maybe assuming that they identify as being of african descent would be racist, though. Or ethnist? Is that a thing? :-)
Quote: EvenBobAssuming that black people are black is racist.
A white person just looking at a black person
is considered racist.
Ah reduction to the absurd.
Well done.
Quote: thecesspitAh reduction to the absurd.
Well done.
You have to reduce it to the absurd. Its to the
point where any comment made by a white,
even an nice comment, makes them a racist.
Yet its impossible for a black to be racist, for
reasons that are muddled and unclear.
Quote: EvenBob
Yet its impossible for a black to be racist, for
reasons that are muddled and unclear.
Those reasons are muddled and unclear because they exist only inside your head.
Quote: EvenBobYou have to reduce it to the absurd. Its to the
point where any comment made by a white,
even an nice comment, makes them a racist.
Yet its impossible for a black to be racist, for
reasons that are muddled and unclear.
Michigan must be much worse than Western Canada then. Ah well, sucks to be you. Living in a country where everything is framed by race and skin colour.
Quote: rdw4potusThose reasons are muddled and unclear because they exist only inside your head.
For years blacks have been saying
only people in power, namely whites, can be
racist. Anything a black person feels isn't racism,
its just a reaction to the real racism of the people
in power. A black person can be prejudiced, but
never racist.
You think I'm making this up? Its been around
for years.
http://thefreshxpress.com/2010/02/can-black-people-be-racist-by-definition/
Quote: AZDuffmanWhy? Expecting the same of all raced is somehow racist?
It's practically the mantra of the KKK.
Quote: thecesspitMichigan must be much worse than Western Canada then. Ah well, sucks to be you. Living in a country where everything is framed by race and skin colour.
I don't know about Western Canada but I do recall spending hours talking with a black man from Toronto about how badly his wife was looked upon being a white married to a black. Funny, I just saw them as two people that were married.
Everything in the US or Canada is not framed by race and skin color.
Quote: EvenBobFor years blacks have been saying
only people in power, namely whites, can be
racist. Anything a black person feels isn't racism,
its just a reaction to the real racism of the people
in power. A black person can be prejudiced, but
never racist.
You think I'm making this up? Its been around
for years.
http://thefreshxpress.com/2010/02/can-black-people-be-racist-by-definition/
So, if we very carefully define racism to mean an exercise of power, and we use the word prejudice to mean what is generally considered to be racism, then blacks can't be racist because they're not the group in power. Cute. That construct is brilliant. And by brilliant I mean foolishly built to support an utterly foolish point. See what I did there? I just changed the definition of a word to help my argument.
Quote: thecesspitLiving in a country where everything is framed by race and skin colour.
This is just being noticed by you? Have you ever
lived near an area in a city where the population
is 95% black? Its a whole different world.
Quote: SanchoPanzaWould you do away with them?
I'm not sure what I would do about them. Obviously there are valid reasons for having absentee ballots.
The point I was making was that there are easier avenues to exploit (from the comfort of your own chair!) and as a result, in person fraud isn't a real problem. Once those things are made harder to exploit, then it is plausible that the cheaters will being to abuse an absence of ID laws, but until then the action is less than worthless because it accomplishes nothing except excluding legitimate voters. It's like putting bars on the windows to your house but leaving the door wide open.
Quote: rdw4potusPresupposing that black people are poor and poor people are black is racist.
I went back and re-read my qoute. Not sure when I said or implied "Black=Poor." Those who oppose Voter ID Laws make that claim.
Quote: rdw4potusthen blacks can't be racist because they're not the group in power. Cute. That construct is brilliant.
Its been around for at least 10 years. You really
should get outside of moveon.org and look
around once in awhile. And listening to replays
of Air America really doesn't help either.
Quote: EvenBobThis is just being noticed by you? Have you ever lived near an area in a city where the population is 95% black? Its a whole different world.
The percentile 95% is very high. Only a handful of zip codes are that monolithic
Example
60621 zip is located in Chicago, Illinois (Latitude: 41.7764036 Longitude: -87.6400575) Area: 3.69 sq. miles
Population: 47,514 - Black or African American:46,658 (98.20%)
By the time you get to the city level, percentages must be lower than 95%
Over 10,000
Capital Heights MD (94% black) 40,988 total 39,035 black
Over 100,000
Detroit, MI . 713,777 - 84.3%
Jackson, MS . 173,514 - 80.1%
Miami Gardens, FL . 107,167 - 77.9%
Birmingham, AL. 212,237 - 74.0%
Baltimore, MD. 620,961 - 65.1%
Memphis, TN. 646,889 - 64.1%
Quote: RonC
Everything in the US or Canada is not framed by race and skin color.
Hmm, let me guess, you're white
Quote: AZDuffmanWhy? Expecting the same of all raced is somehow racist?
How does this quote not presuppose that people who cannot afford to purchase IDs are non-white?
Quote: rdw4potusHow does this quote not presuppose that people who cannot afford to purchase IDs are non-white?
The quote just says that minorities should have to meet the same standards as set for whites. Liberals are the ones who keep saying that minorities "can't afford" or "don't have" ID. Maybe you should ask people against Voter ID why they are being racist for presupposing that minorities do not have and cannot get ID?
Quote: EvenBobThis is just being noticed by you? Have you ever
lived near an area in a city where the population
is 95% black? Its a whole different world.
"Just noticed"? Yeah, I've been living with blinkers for the last few decades. What is your point again? Your country seems to endlessly get pulled into debate framed by ethnicity, colour and race (pick one, pick all three). I've known that for ages, and it's confirmed daily by reading the diatribes here. It's tedious, really it is.
Your the one moaning and whining about it, not me. Sucks to be you, again. Cry me a river about, I don't care if you find it so bad that you are called "racist" or you feel it's all so gosh darn unfair. Wahhhh. Doesn't affect me none.
I've lived in multiple different areas with various different ethnic make ups. The word ethnic is important. Of course it's different... the culture and day-to-day life of people is different from different backgrounds. Duh.
Living in Tokyo is different than living in London is different than living in Vancouver is different than living in Detroit. Maybe I can write a best seller on that amazing concept (this is sarcasm, in case people are hard of thinking).
Thank the Wizard and JB for blocking threads, because debating with some members of this board is like a Monty Python sketch.
Quote: thecesspit
Thank the Wizard and JB for blocking threads, because debating with some members of this board is like a Monty Python sketch.
No, it isn't.
Quote: thecesspitYour country seems to endlessly get pulled into debate framed by ethnicity, colour and race (pick one, pick all three).
And your country is quietly being taken over by
Muslims, and nobody seems to care. England as
we know it is on the way out and the English seem
not to notice. Just as well, I guess..
Quote: EvenBobAnd your country is quietly being taken over by
Muslims, and nobody seems to care. England as
we know it is on the way out and the English seem
not to notice. Just as well, I guess..
Write a letter to David Cameron. I'm sure he'll be fascinated by your insights.
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, it isn't.
You, sir, win the internet. :)
Quote: thecesspit
Thank the Wizard and JB for blocking threads, because debating with some members of this board is like a Monty Python sketch.
Nah--a Monty Python sketch is funny. And makes sense.
My hovercraft is full of eels.
Quote: thecesspitWrite a letter to David Cameron. I'm sure he'll be fascinated by your insights.
The first clue was when Muhammad became the number
one baby boy name in GB. And then there's this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-islamification-of-britain-record-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, it isn't.
I think your parrot is dead.
Quote: EvenBobThe first clue was when Muhammad became the number
one baby boy name in GB. And then there's this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-islamification-of-britain-record-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html
"would mean approximately 5,200 people adopting Islam every year"
Oh, the fear, the fear. At that rate, the UK will be a majority of Muslims in around 2312.
Considering the number of people claiming to be Atheists is running around 1% of the population per year maybe you should also worry about the UK losing it's overall faith in a God. Perhaps it'll become both Muslim and Atheist at the same time.
I await the Great Bob's keen insights to this. It'll be truly a revelation!
Quote: DocI think your parrot is dead.
No, no, 'e's ah... he's resting.
Quote: thecesspit
Oh, the fear, the fear.
There's still time to change your name to Muhammad
so you'll fit right in when you go back..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html
Quote: kewljI like to think I am an independent, leaning left voter. I don't vote party, but rather ideas that match my own. I do think that a person should show ID to vote. Voting is a privilege, so a voter should prove who they are and that they are a citizen and eligible by all other rules to vote. What I do object to is this sudden need to make these changes by one party for political gain and that's what this really is. I mean, com' on the folks claiming is is to weed out fraudulent voting can come up with but a handful of actual fraudulent cases. The most honest of the bunch, Mike Turzai, actually came out and said that it wasn't to stop fraud or stop people who are not eligible to vote from voting, but rather to deliver a particular state, Pennsylvania to his candidate, Mitt Romney. People from both parties should be outraged by that comment.
I get what you are saying and I agree--the idea shouldn't be to deliver a state for a particular party; it should be the security of the right to vote for all eligible voters.
You forgot something in your thoughtful critique of the situation--what about Acorn and all the organizations that registered ineligible folks? Someone has cited the fact that there have been relatively few cases of verified voter fraud. That is all well and good, but we do have verified instances of fraudulent registration. Prosecutions? Not so many. Yes, Acorn went away but no one that I know of went to jail for encouraging fraud. Once you let it slide in the registration process, are you 100% sure voting fraudulently on a more frequent basis isn't next?
Quote: RonCYes, Acorn went away
It just split and multiplied as groups like
"Organizing for America" and "Project Vote",
which have many old ACORN ties. They
essentially are ACORN, it never really went
away.
Quote: EvenBobThere's still time to change your name to Muhammad
so you'll fit right in when you go back..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html
Why would I want to "fit in" anyways, Bob? Is that a worry for you, fitting in?
Fear, fear and more fear. Gotta keep spreading it, gotta keep it mounting. It's a big tactic among elements of the right (and extreme left too). You gotta have fear of something to distract the emptiness of the promises. Never promote what you believe, but make sure there's a fear of something else first.
It's tiring.
Quote: thecesspitWhy would I want to "fit in" anyways, Bob? Is that a worry for you, fitting in?
Not for me. I've been to London a couple times
and it looks like a place where people like fitting
in. You probably don't remember..
Quote: buzzpaffNo, no, 'e's ah... he's resting.
'Es pining for the fjords.
Quote: EvenBobNot for me. I've been to London a couple times
and it looks like a place where people like fitting
in. You probably don't remember..
Sure, that's right, I don't remember, but you do. Of course, that's it!
(shakes head)
