BBC: Could legalising marijuana save the US economy?

Quote: EvenBob

Of course. Ever been around some guy who's
babbling drooling paranoid wasted? Now we'll
have 15 year old's wandering the streets and
stores in this condition and it will get real old
real fast.

No, the point about insurance is what totally evaded me. I hadn't even considered that before. Drunk drivers are bad enough, but now we gotta deal with stoned drivers and higher insurance? Effing lame. *headshake*

Anything which makes you feel good or bad can have addictive qualities but with marijuana it's not hard for people to stop once motivated. At least they don't have real medical problems from it because it's not a poison like alcohol. Legalize them all I say and end the war on the American people. Truthfully I Don't even think they should tax them more than anything else because the government can get addicted to money so it no longer can work. They have wasted anything they've been given and just embezzle it out to their friends legally. I'll never forget it.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

but with marijuana it's not hard for people to stop once motivated.

Just not true. I know two people that
have smoked every day since the 70's
and have no chance of ever quitting.
They are totally addicted, both have
tried to stop many times.

It's not poison?

"One of the most potent carcinogens in tobacco smoke, benzo(α)pyrene, is present in even greater amounts in marijuana smoke. As marijuana smokers frequently inhale and hold the smoke in their lungs, this increases the amount of tar deposited in the respiratory system by about a factor of four."

Quote: EvenBob

Just not true. I know two people that
have smoked every day since the 70's
and have no chance of ever quitting.
They are totally addicted, both have
tried to stop many times.

It's not poison?

"One of the most potent carcinogens in tobacco smoke, benzo()pyrene, is present in even greater amounts in marijuana smoke. As marijuana smokers frequently inhale and hold the smoke in their lungs, this increases the amount of tar deposited in the respiratory system by about a factor of four."

You can use a vaporizor inhaling no tar. It's possible your friends aren't motivated because it's not affecting their life enough. Same is true about alcohol being wealthy because they can afford it and the lawyers if needed. Your friends just need to be weened off slowly and smoke an eighth over just one month then avoid it and all situations where it is for at least six months. Tony Bennett talked about on Larry King once and said eventually you've been without it longer than you've been with it and it gets easier. This is truth.

Quote: EvenBob

"One of the most potent carcinogens in tobacco smoke, benzo(α)pyrene, is present in even greater amounts in marijuana smoke. As marijuana smokers frequently inhale and hold the smoke in their lungs, this increases the amount of tar deposited in the respiratory system by about a factor of four."

Won't argue the science, but everyone I know who's ever quoted that data point misses the bigger one - Ain't nobody smokes a pack's worth of joints in a day. Any filtering of any smoke is bad, whether cigs, joints, bonfires, or burning diaper factories. But I'd bet cash money the average weed smoker is getting less junk in their air bags than the average tobacco smoker.

Quote: 98Clubs

IMHO Face's expeiences are different than most people I know, with addiction/dependency probs. Most had an easier time with psychological than dependent. Everyone's experience will be different than everone elses. I guess it depends upon the stonger(est) influences in the brain.

Everyone's experience will be different than anyone else's. For me, the mental kick was what I loved. Still do. I suppose that's why I never get or have gotten "addicted" to things that are reportedly so dangerous, the things that make you "feel". Cocaine was a piece of cake. Price went up by 6x's overnight, I stopped then and there. I felt like I had a sinus infection for two days, and then it was gone. Poof. I was clean. I'd suppose that's much different than your friend. Same with opioids. These are supposed to be one of the most addictive substances on the planet. I'm on day 3 of my clean out period and I feel same as I did yesterday and the same as I did 5 days ago, albeit with a much more noticeable hitch in my giddyup.

One difference between cannabis and alcohol is the speed in which it hits you. Even if you shotgun 3 beers in 1 minute, it won't give you the buzz for 10 minutes and absorption continues after that. That's not the case with 3 hits off a pipe, which is so much quicker. 3 beers and maybe I drive faster and get into fights, but 3 pot hits and I drive slower and can't do math on a calculator. Pot makes you stupid, slows your reaction time, and impedes your memory. How can that be fun? On the other hand, it sure helps me fall asleep fast after a night of drinkin'.

I messed around with salvia a few years ago for 'fun' (or research), and that shit hits immediately. Smoke in a pot pipe, and two hits will knock you out in 10 seconds into a dream state, then you wake up in 3 minutes with no hangover effects. Certainly wasn't fun, or something to do behind the wheel.

I live in Washington now, and we're opening the stores in a few months. Since it's been legalized here, everyone I know in my neighborhood is growing it. Everyone's hopes at the beginning were to sell to the dispensaries for $3500/pound (who turn around and gram it out to the public) with the hopes of getting 1-2 pounds per plant, with 16 plants allowed by law, and 3 harvests per year. Do the math. Hasn't worked out that way for them at all. Everyone is still learning about proper lighting, plant food, infestation, etc. and their yields aren't what they expected. But really, they don't make the money because they smoke away all their profits and give it away to friends who don't grow (like me). They apparently like the prestige of having a garden, and I gotta say, they're impressive gardens. But the pittance they're making can't be worth the risk they take by growing more than the allowed 16 plants. These people are mostly my girlfriend's friends, and she defends them saying "They may not make any money, but it's like someone who knits for a hobby and gives away all those scarves and hats for gifts. Lose money but you have fun doing it." I don't smoke much, and I seem to get little samples all the time (3 people gave me 1/4 ounce baggies for Christmas for example) so I'm kinda looking forward to browsing a store open to the public when they open. I don't have a "green card", haven't seen the need for one when pot's available to me from practically everyone I know.

Everyone's eyes are on Colorado. Risk (crime, children's use, abuse, etc) versus rewards (25% taxes, baybee!).

Quote: zippyboy

Pot makes you stupid, slows your reaction time, and impedes your memory..

Back when I was smoking pot I worked in a
cookie factory. 3rd shift, running these big
machines that mixed the filling for the cookies.
A couple times me and another guy got high
in the back room. My job was all of a sudden
intimidating. I couldn't remember the sequence
on how to load the machines and was totally
paranoid about making a mistake, so I just
sat there, paralyzed with indecision. Not a
good experience.

After that I only smoked when the environment
was safe and I had no decisions to make. They
call it dope for a reason, it makes you dopey.

Quote: EvenBob

...After that I only smoked when the environment
was safe and I had no decisions to make. They
call it dope for a reason, it makes you dopey.

That is exactly why legalizing pot is safer than legalizing meth or heroin. Better a sedated dope passing out in his hovel than a fiend on the streets preying on people.

Quote: Paigowdan

That is exactly why legalizing pot is safer than legalizing meth or heroin. Better a sedated dope passing out in his hovel .

We've heard forever about heavy drinking productive
authors, but not pot smoking productive artists. Buddy
Hackett said at the start of his career, he smoked pot
heavily with the musicians in the nightclubs. But his
career was going nowhere and after few years he quit
pot and his career took off. He said it majorly stifled
his creativity, and he wasn't even aware of it, he thought
he was doing great.

Pot smokers are probably the dullest people you'll ever meet.

Quote: EvenBob

We've heard forever about heavy drinking productive
authors, but not pot smoking productive artists.

Surely, you jest.

Bob Marley.
Willie Nelson.
Jerry Garcia.
Paul McCartney.
David Bowie.
James Brown.
Carlos Santana.
Rick James.
Jimi Hendrix.

If hundreds of millions of sales and billions of dollars of worth isn't productive, then I'm gonna go burn one right now, as there is no hope for little ol me.

There are many good points here lately. IMHO pot is a good stress reliever, but as PGD and others note, its not good to be around a steering wheel, or one's job (esp. thinking jobs). My own experience along the lines of driving and job are similar. Nope, I should not do either/both. And there IS that "paranoid" feeling that I might screw up royal.

But after a hard and stressful week with job, parenting and stressors, unwind a bit on the back porch and stare at the critters for a while.

Quote: Keyser

Pot smokers are probably the dullest people you'll ever meet.

Yup, they only make sense to each other. Maybe.

My best video game accomplishments were while real high. Mike Tyson in 2:12 in the 2nd round, beating contra with just 3 lives, and lvl 126 in galaga.

Quote: rudeboyoi

My best video game accomplishments were while real high. Mike Tyson in 2:12 in the 2nd round, beating contra with just 3 lives, and lvl 126 in galaga.

But really - Respect ;)

Again, what we have here is different strokes.

Nearly every single stupid thing I've posted here about my past was when I was high. 170 down I-86? High. Mile long wheelies? High. These aren't things I couldn't do drunk, that's for sure. And they don't follow at all others experiences about being totally unable to function and/or think at all, let alone very, very quickly.

I used to love playing hockey high. Weed always seemed to kill all the background noise, totally remove all distractions, leaving me with ferocious concentration. It seemed like everything slowed down but me.

I dunno. Maybe I'm the oddball.

Quote: rudeboyoi

My best video game accomplishments were while real high. Mike Tyson in 2:12 in the 2nd round, beating contra with just 3 lives, and lvl 126 in galaga.

I wasn't high, but I once beat The Legends of Zelda: A Link to the Past on SNES with no saves, no deaths and only pausing to go to the bathroom and get something to eat. Don't know why, had to see if I could do it, plus I was pretty young.

Quote: Face

Surely, you jest.

Bob Marley.
Willie Nelson.
Jerry Garcia.
Paul McCartney.
David Bowie.
James Brown.
Carlos Santana.
Rick James.
Jimi Hendrix.

If hundreds of millions of sales and billions of dollars of worth isn't productive, then I'm gonna go burn one right now, as there is no hope for little ol me.

These guys were productive in spite of it, not because of it, - as they were not the "crippled addicts" who hurt their careers, - as did countless other artists who could have been John Lennon #2, but instead ended up burnt out and absolutely no where. Whitney Huston was huge talent, but a TRAGIC Crack addict mess, and had stopped producing early on, as was David Crosby and so many old timers. Drugs destroyed any kind of "music band permanence" for so many, from the Temptations (except for Bill "Smokey" Robinson, who got it together), to heavy metal, to Keith Moon, members of the Who, Creedence Clear Water Revival. The toll on the artists who made it - be it one time or forever - was also still ridiculous.

The Stones (with the exception of Brian Jones) pretty much escaped all of this via some agreement with Lucifer, I believe. Keith Richards permanently looks like the late Ted Kennedy, with every sin etched on face and liver alike, great guy and musician he is.

The number of blown artists' careers far exceeds those who made it in spite of the drug habits. When you factor in:

1. Premature deaths, dysfunctional lives, blown fortunes, and blown later careers (Hendrix, Rick James, Janis Joplin, David Crosby, et al) the toll is great. John Lennon LATER had a moderate smack habit AFTER the Beatles had made it a thousand times over, and NONE of the Beatles were ever "far gone." Lennon was killed by a nut ball, and George Harrison by brain cancer, and Paul McCartney and Ringo [Richard Starkey] Starr currently lead sober, healthy, and dignified lives of statesmen and members of the British empire. FEW bands survive like this.

2. There are a thousand-to-one budding musicians who could have made it if they maintained the focus lost to drug habits, partly justified and in place to be "cool artists/musicians."

There is no artistry in being a junkie.

Quote: Face

Weed always seemed to kill all the background noise, totally remove all distractions, leaving me with ferocious concentration. It seemed like everything slowed down but me.

Definitely agree with this.

Quote: Mission146

I wasn't high, but I once beat The Legends of Zelda: A Link to the Past on SNES with no saves, no deaths and only pausing to go to the bathroom and get something to eat. Don't know why, had to see if I could do it, plus I was pretty young.

Lol I did that too. Named my character X-Bert.

Quote: Face

Surely, you jest.
.

I was mostly talking about writers. Very hard
to write when on pot, but booze enhances it
for some.

Quote: rudeboyoi

Quote: Face

Weed always seemed to kill all the background noise, totally remove all distractions, leaving me with ferocious concentration. It seemed like everything slowed down but me.

Definitely agree with this.

It truly had felt like that, but it was all just an illusion.
We were just all f*cked up and stoned-happy, thinking it was great and awesome and we really had it together. Sheesh.

On a gambling forum, I am beginning to question the third drink with live money in action. There should be no #4, I sometimes think, as approaching usury.

I have more often left a sober winner, and very seldom a drunk winner. We know that.

Quote: Paigowdan

I have more often left a sober winner, and very seldom a drunk winner. We know that.

Drinking and gambling is something I've never
understood. You wouldn't have 5 shots and then
go shopping for a $500 TV. Yet people drink in
the casino and throw around $500 all the time.
It's like some kind of delusion or insanity.

Quote: EvenBob

Drinking and gambling is something I've never
understood. You wouldn't have 5 shots and then
go shopping for a $500 TV. Yet people drink in
the casino and throw around $500 all the time.
It's like some kind of delusion or insanity.

yeah, and it really is at #4 or more that the ball rolls of the end of the table for the player. Doesn't matter if he wants more.

People go to casinos to have some fun or action (as a civilian non-professional, if I may add), - as "G & D" = "Drinking and gambling" is within limits and reason - and both fun within limits.

Having four drinks plus in your system with an ATM card on you gets to point of being non-recreational. Both serious losses you wouldn't do sober, as well as the potential for "incidents" really begin to enter the picture of what is supposed to be fun and recreation. And we do honestly know this.

IMHO.

Quote: rudeboyoi

My best video game accomplishments were while real high. Mike Tyson in 2:12 in the 2nd round, beating contra with just 3 lives, and lvl 126 in galaga.

My friend took three weeks beating the last level of Metal Gear solid day and night, while high, but he did find a way to do it which wasn't in the guide. You have to hide behind the pillar and somehow get your shots in, in less than three weeks.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

My friend took three weeks beating the last level of Metal Gear solid day and night, while high, but he did find a way to do it which wasn't in the guide. You have to hide behind the pillar and somehow get your shots in, in less than three weeks.

Forget about Metal Gear. Really. This is a gambling board.

Has anybody here smoked a BIG FAT bowl of skunk and ran a table down to an empty rack, against a live casino dealer with real money on the line?

Just like it is said, "Paying your taxes really is the best tax shelter," then being stoned off your ass must be good camouflage.

I wonder, If pot is legalized, would cocktail waitresses offer up complimentary bong hits on BJ shoe games?

This ain't Super Mario 3. Table hold will go up so much that 3:2 single deck may come back.

Quote: Paigowdan

Forget about Metal Gear. Really. This is a gambling board.

Has anybody here smoked a BIG FAT bowl of skunk and ran a table down to an empty rack, against a live casino dealer with real money on the line?

So sorry king PGD. Really you have no HIGH ground being off topic yourself considering all this talking has nothing to do with states balancing budgets. You know many things have no value unless artificially controlled through laws.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

So sorry king PGD. Really you have no HIGH ground being off topic yourself considering all this talking has nothing to do with states balancing budgets. You know many things have no value unless artificially controlled through laws.

That's true. Laws are but an illusion when you're really stoned, apparently. But they seem to be real for the people who are tapping you on the shoulder.

Things get real interesting when you operate outside of these laws of Euclidian geometry (or casino procedure or whatever), and still lose your ass.

Being way the hell outside of the box, and in a messed up state, doesn't sound like a formula of success to me, unless you're playing World of Warcraft or dungeons and dragons or something. Gambling - now that's best done straight up.

Can't wait for legalization, and the stoners to buy in. Trust me, I'll be cutting house edges left and right - for great rules - to have the same table hold.

Quote: Paigowdan

Having four drinks plus in your system with an ATM card on you gets to point of being non-recreational. Both serious losses you wouldn't do sober, as well as the potential for "incidents" really begin to enter the picture of what is supposed to be fun and recreation. And we do honestly know this.
.

And Benny Binion knew it better than anybody.
He knew alcohol had so much positive EV potential
for the casino, he started giving the players free
booze in 1952, and every casino followed suit
almost immediately. To this day, people crow
about all the free drinks in Vegas.

Suckers...

Quote: Mission146

I wasn't high, but I once beat The Legends of Zelda: A Link to the Past on SNES with no saves, no deaths and only pausing to go to the bathroom and get something to eat. Don't know why, had to see if I could do it, plus I was pretty young.

I tried FFVII in one sitting. Got 28 hours in and forgot about the fire/ice hydra and had only fire weapons equipped. No way to kill it, and the most epic vid run came to an end.

Quote: EvenBob

I was mostly talking about writers. Very hard
to write when on pot, but booze enhances it
for some.

Stephen King?

This is can kind of understand, but only because of personal experience. I used to get high and write, and I put together some top notch material. But when the high wore off, I lost the particular groove I was in. Getting high again put me another groove, but it wasn't the same groove. As a result, a had numbers of "parts", a few pages each, but could never, ever string anything together from start to finish.

Quote: Paigowdan

Forget about Metal Gear. Really. This is a gambling board.

Has anybody here smoked a BIG FAT bowl of skunk and ran a table down to an empty rack, against a live casino dealer with real money on the line?

Just like it is said, "Paying your taxes really is the best tax shelter," then being stoned off your ass must be good camouflage.

I wonder, If pot is legalized, would cocktail waitresses offer up complimentary bong hits on BJ shoe games?

This ain't Super Mario 3. Table hold will go up so much that 3:2 single deck may come back.

I'm sure tons of people have emptied a rack while high. Thousands. It's a guarantee. Simple probabilities.

I'm surprised that the idea of things affecting people differently is a foreign idea to you. I'm sure mickeycrimm can spot a play after his 16th BV, while I couldn't add 10+20 on a quarter of that. Similarly, I bet if I gave a random member my daily dose of pain meds they'd be a drooling fool within the hour, whereas I could still count down a single deck hi-lo in under 10 seconds.

There are plenty of pot smoking regular posters here. Just ask them.

Quote: Face

Stephen King?

Stephen King even admits he did his best
work before the drugs. He wrote a lot
of crap during that period.

Quote: Paigowdan

Being way the hell outside of the box, and in a messed up state, doesn't sound like a formula of success to me, unless you're playing World of Warcraft or dungeons and dragons or something. Gambling - now that's best done straight up.

Shakes head.

Most role playing nerds I know are straight edge to the point of painfulness.

Quote: Paigowdan

That's true. Laws are but an illusion when you're really stoned, apparently. But they seem to work for the people who are tapping you on the shoulder.

Things get real interesting when you operate outside of these laws of Euclidian geometry (or casino procedure or whatever), and still lose your ass.

Being way the hell outside of the box, and in a messed up state, doesn't sound like a formula of success to me, unless you're playing World of Warcraft or dungeons and dragons or something.

Can't wait for legalization, and the stoners to buy in.

Honestly cannot figure out what you're saying and what your are taking out. Things like patents, trademarks, licenses, regulations, things like this make a lot of money when the physical laws of the universe don't stop people from repeating an idea. People anywhere can grow this stuff and it's only real value is because most people won't. You start getting to the point where the general masses anywhere put seeds down, it's worth the same as any plant. I am not going to repeat and joust with quote wars and not playing this game. Find someone else to argue with because I will not cooperate.

Quote: Face

I tried FFVII in one sitting. Got 28 hours in and forgot about the fire/ice hydra and had only fire weapons equipped. No way to kill it, and the most epic vid run came to an end.

That sucks!!!

Still my favorite game of all time, but I wouldn't even consider trying it in a sitting. Invisible ink, still remember that, wouldn't ask and wouldn't use cheats and it took me forever to figure it out. Saw old V.V. on a friend's game, but wouldn't ask for how to do it. I kept saying to myself, "How do I get that bad ass with the red cape," finally figured it out one day.

Quote: Mission146

That sucks!!!

Still my favorite game of all time, but I wouldn't even consider trying it in a sitting. Invisible ink, still remember that, wouldn't ask and wouldn't use cheats and it took me forever to figure it out. Saw old V.V. on a friend's game, but wouldn't ask for how to do it. I kept saying to myself, "How do I get that bad ass with the red cape," finally figured it out one day.

who would you say was more villainous? kefka or sephiroth?

Quote: Face

I'm sure tons of people have emptied a rack while high. Thousands. It's a guarantee. Simple probabilities.

I once had a woman who walked into the Fiesta Henderson just before the graveyard shift with a backpack filled with cash, - STUFFED with Cash - and so WASTED on Crystal meth to the point of physical nystagmus, where she could not steady her eyes from Vibrating terribly on a horizontal axis. Now aside from that, this lady was 100% in control, and scared people.

I was sitting on a dead CSM $3 blackjack game when she walk up to the table with a backpack filled with cash, and just totally spun.

It was utterly creepy and unsettling to try to look at her in the eye, and she drops a load of cash (about $7,000 in C-notes) for me to count out. AND it was on a empty CSM machine Blackjack table, and I was a Pai Gow dealer on BJ, and I call out, "Floor - Change Five thousand Minimum - Large buy in of an Indeterminate amount - FLOOR ASSISTANCE REQUESTED!" (like RIGHT NOW).
Floor lady comes over, a tough and sweet Jewish woman ("Susan," her real name) who was a sister to me on the floor; she looks at the cash, and says to count out and display TEN crisscrossing groups of 5 C-notes, for a $5,000 starting buy-in, while the Meth lady was sweating with strangely vibrating eyes, meth-overdose style, - but responds in a VERY Pseudo-sober and lucid and surprising voice, 'My buy in here is $5,000; please return the excess; and all in black, please - no quarters for any side bets. Thank you." okay.

Okay. I think I discussed this player here a few years ago. A totally real and surprising incident, and as the break-in dealer back then I was a little unsettled, sheesh.

I lay out ten groups of "interlaced" Five C-notes, to total $5,000, and return a small stack of hundreds back to her. She places $500 bets in black on three hands, and I deal. 100% perfect basic strategy, along with some STRANGE winning moves like hitting 17 to get a 3 and win on one hand, buying insurance on three stiff hands - ON A CSM GAME - and "freaky" but ultimately correct winning plays whenever she was "off-standard" from Basic Strategy. I have a perfectly social conversation with her about Vegas show offerings and the superiority of "Ford Versus Chevrolet cars" so as long as I DIDN'T LOOK AT HER HORIZONTALLY VIBRATING METHAMPHETAMINE OVERDOSE EYES. She started to get up by several thousand dollars, - which was UNIMAGINGABLE ON A CSM GAME WITH A REALLY Wasted PERSON, and Susan sent me to a dead Pai Gow Poker game just before my shift ended. Fiesta put in on the game the notorious "Mama Chong Player killer dealer," and Mama DUMPED $40,000 to this meth lady with graveyard finished the dumping job. All legit. A casino cannot renege payment to a player because "you look high" anymore because "because you look female or Asian" or what have you. Fiesta took the action without judgment, and paid without judgment, as it should be. What you put into your body on a Sunny day is your business; what you play on a table at any time is our mutual business, and if all players and dealers are clean and enter into the action, then take your winnings and we salute you, - hopefully to see you back real soon.

When my shift ended, I told Susan that this "meth lady Blackjack Player" needed medical attention in my opinion; NO cocktail waitress came anywhere near her. Meth lady could have drunk a fifth of Vodka like water and not feel it, she was so spun out. And Susan the floor lady was NOT like, "she's playing big money and here's the Shift's opportunity!"

Susan was more like, "She's very lucid and in control, and is sweating a little bit, but she seems okay, - who are WE to bust her for being high, like we are the judges or morality in a gambling hall, - she is behaving like a lady, even if a high lady" - and Susan was right. This is aside from a bizarre case eye vibration "nystagmus" where her eye sockets were a blur of Grey due to the eyes vibrating from a monster Meth high that was freaking us out a bit IF we looked instead of listen to this lady. I mean the lady was beyond high - just wasted, but in great control. Sometimes she'd talk so fast it sounded like an action or a racing track report, but mostly she sounded deliberate, lucid, and focused, and she SURE played really well.

If she were this high on pot or narcotics, the lady would have lost the same $40,000 in 22 minutes, head down on the table with us doing some explaining. But she was the polar opposite of being in anything approaching a stupor, in fact just the opposite something frightening.

We never saw her again. She didn't "take us" for $40,000, she just won it while being scary high in the UP direction, not comatose. She rolled us cleanly and left.

Quote: face

There are plenty of pot smoking regular posters here. Just ask them.

Don't need to. I'm convinced.

Quote: Paigowdan

Laws are but an illusion when you're really stoned, apparently. But they seem to work for the people who are tapping you on the shoulder.

Things get real interesting when you operate outside of these laws of Euclidian geometry (or casino procedure or whatever), and still lose your ass.

Being way the hell outside of the box, and in a messed up state, doesn't sound like a formula of success to me, unless you're playing World of Warcraft or dungeons and dragons or something.

Can't wait for legalization, and the stoners to buy in.

So One Nickel answers...

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Honestly cannot figure out what you're saying and what your are taking out. Things like patents, trademarks, licenses, regulations, things like this make a lot of money when the physical laws of the universe don't stop people from repeating an idea.

Not when the idea is a patented idea and a matter of public record. Then "repeating" becomes "stealing" or patent infringement. Ask MathExtremist on this one.

But Yes, various "things" and "people [of some power]"...like patent attorneys, or criminal/litigation attorneys, police officers, mafia gangsters, casino security personnel, juries, - what have you - will remind you that the arbitrary "Laws of Men" that have still some power over your manly ass when push comes to shove - above and beyond "the laws of the Universe" - down below within the domain of "the laws of men in the real world."

This has nothing to DO with - (as you say above - "the physical laws of the Universe") - when you may be in conflict with, for lack of a better description, the Laws of Man, or as we commonly know it, the legal system or a pissed off gangster.

You're not gonna quote Stephen Hawkins or Richard Dawkins to a State or Federal judge, - or to "Fat Tony Gaguziano" - about the "laws of the universe" when they say: "Buddy, we need to go for a ride show that I can show you some laws of Newtonian Physics here....., " OR, "Sir, you need to acquire counsel as representation - you seem to be stoned over here...."

Quote: onenickelmiracle

People anywhere can grow this stuff and it's only real value is because most people won't. [-- ?? okay. Let the market forces begin among the pot growers...] You start getting to the point where the general masses anywhere put seeds down, it's worth the same as any plant. I am not going to repeat and joust with quote wars and not playing this game. Find someone else to argue with because I will not cooperate.

okay, then don't cooperate.
The simple fact of the matter is, is that somebody is going to grow some really good shit, and make some money on it, be it Lorillard tobacco, Phillip Morris tobacco, Seagram's Incorporated, or some really good independent farmer in the moist and hot fields of Louisiana. It's not going to come from YOUR back yard anymore than your beer, wine, tomatoes, or steaks come from it. Americans don't consume squat from their backyards, or from some unknown lot, be it food, drink, or dope.

Their stuff is gonna be better, better tasting, easily available, and packaged for "convenient American consumption on a wide scale," - and make tons of money - because Lorillard and Phillip Morris tobacco will buy some mighty choice farmland down there in So Cal, Alabama, Mississippi, Hawaii, and Louisiana, "all the hot, moist and mighty fertile fawm lan' ovah here, you see"- and it's gonna beat the crap out of your brother-in-law's "string weed" from his sorry back yard. Large American businesses will run the show if pot becomes a legal commodity, not anyone's back yard.

For that matter, you can grow grapes in your 6' by 12' backyard, and try to sell us all the wine, - that too will not happen. Home grown my ass. Who here - aside from an American farmer - eats, smokes, and drinks from his own backyard. Bootleg has a really bad rep when it comes to putting shit into YOUR body.

Trust me, there are top notch agricultural scientists at work on this as we speak, - should pot become legal on a wide scale in this country - and even Thailand and Turkey would have trouble versus what?: Maui, and Sweet Home Alabama's gulf coast, as run by the pro's?

Quote: face

There are plenty of pot smoking regular posters here. Just ask them.

Yup, THAT's for sure. Don't need to ask here.
Smoke a big bowl of skunk and "the laws of the Universe" take over - while the sober people concerns themselves with the laws of men, like cops knocking on the door with a warrant, or a floorman telling you you're done for the night.

Should pot become legal, people they are not gonna consume home-grown crap from Johnny Smith's back yard, or from a small distributor with no reach. "Boutique" is a hard sell to the American consumer versus a Seagram's, Phillip Morris, or a Lorillard distributed product. Or for that matter, Walmart.

Quote: Paigowdan

Their stuff is gonna be better, better tasting, easily available, and packaged for "convenient American consumption on a wide scale," - and make tons of money - because Lorillard and Phillip Morris tobacco will buy some mighty choice farmland down there in So Cal, Alabama, Mississippi, Hawaii, and Louisiana, "all the hot, moist and mighty fertile fawm lan' ovah here, you see"- and it's gonna beat the crap out of your brother-in-law's "string weed" from his sorry back yard. Large American businesses will run the show if pot becomes a legal commodity, not anyone's back yard.

They already have choice land set aside in Kentucky.

Quote: Transcend

They already have choice land set aside in Kentucky.

I know.
Kentucky.....The grain they turn into some smooth and tasty Bourbon is a no joke smoker. The conglomerates, to include ADM, probably own a shitload of the South's best land.

Among the best, finest, strong drink in the world comes from Kentucky.

"Blue Grass" will take on a whole new meaning. Walter White and Jesse will be working on this.....

Leave Idaho for the great potatoes, and the mid-west for the staples.
They don't play down south.

No sir they do not, have some moon shine from the mountains around there, gotta be careful with that stuff, but it sure is tasty and strong.

I don't believe the US should be legalizing marijuana except for medicinal purposes. I would treat it on the same scale aa Schedule II controlled substance.

Dan, that was a great story about the high player.

I don't have anything to add except this timely article: World's first legal recreational marijuana sales begin in Colorado

My buddy got busted for possession of percocets. He didn't have a prescription. Schedule II drug. Automatic class five felony in Ohio but can be pled down to a misdemeanor (no priors and he's a societal asset in general -- not a criminal type). Possession of MJ is an automatic misdemeanor in Ohio.

Quote: rudeboyoi

who would you say was more villainous? kefka or sephiroth?

Sephiroth was more of a badass, but Kefka was better in terms of being a pure villain. Kefka was just a straight-up Nihilist, he wanted to destroy the world, because, why not? Sephiroth could have dispatched of Cloud and gang rather handily, and way earlier in the game, but he was too worried about his Mommy. It's okay, though, I gave him a good object lesson in the benefits of staying focused on the task at hand.

Quote: Mission146

Sephiroth was more of a badass, but Kefka was better in terms of being a pure villain. Kefka was just a straight-up Nihilist, he wanted to destroy the world, because, why not? Sephiroth could have dispatched of Cloud and gang rather handily, and way earlier in the game, but he was too worried about his Mommy. It's okay, though, I gave him a good object lesson in the benefits of staying focused on the task at hand.

Agreed. Sephiroth was kind of a weenie.

Here's something to tie the topic and the derailment together...



Two of my favorite FF characters, done in pen, shaded in pencil, and both created while completely baked. Unlike my writing issues, I was able to stop these and resume them again and still find the groove. Took approximately 20 hours over the course of one week to finish them both.

Now they're protesting in CO that so many companies
drug test their employees, it should be illegal
to fire somebody with a legal drug like pot in their
system. Completely overlooking that if you show
up intoxicated with booze, you also get fired.

Quote: Paigowdan

I once had a woman who walked into the Fiesta Henderson just before the graveyard shift with a backpack filled with cash, - STUFFED with Cash - and so WASTED on Crystal meth to the point of physical nystagmus, where she could not steady her eyes from Vibrating terribly on a horizontal axis. Now aside from that, this lady was 100% in control, and scared people.

I was sitting on a dead CSM $3 blackjack game when she walk up to the table with a backpack filled with cash, and just totally spun.

It was utterly creepy and unsettling to try to look at her in the eye, and she drops a load of cash (about $7,000 in C-notes) for me to count out. AND it was on a empty CSM machine Blackjack table, and I was a Pai Gow dealer on BJ, and I call out, "Floor - Change Five thousand Minimum - Large buy in of an Indeterminate amount - FLOOR ASSISTANCE REQUESTED!" (like RIGHT NOW).
Floor lady comes over, a tough and sweet Jewish woman ("Susan," her real name) who was a sister to me on the floor; she looks at the cash, and says to count out and display TEN crisscrossing groups of 5 C-notes, for a $5,000 starting buy-in, while the Meth lady was sweating with strangely vibrating eyes, meth-overdose style, - but responds in a VERY Pseudo-sober and lucid and surprising voice, 'My buy in here is $5,000; please return the excess; and all in black, please - no quarters for any side bets. Thank you." okay.

Okay. I think I discussed this player here a few years ago. A totally real and surprising incident, and as the break-in dealer back then I was a little unsettled, sheesh.

I lay out ten groups of "interlaced" Five C-notes, to total $5,000, and return a small stack of hundreds back to her. She places $500 bets in black on three hands, and I deal. 100% perfect basic strategy, along with some STRANGE winning moves like hitting 17 to get a 3 and win on one hand, buying insurance on three stiff hands - ON A CSM GAME - and "freaky" but ultimately correct winning plays whenever she was "off-standard" from Basic Strategy. I have a perfectly social conversation with her about Vegas show offerings and the superiority of "Ford Versus Chevrolet cars" so as long as I DIDN'T LOOK AT HER HORIZONTALLY VIBRATING METHAMPHETAMINE OVERDOSE EYES. She started to get up by several thousand dollars, - which was UNIMAGINGABLE ON A CSM GAME WITH A REALLY Wasted PERSON, and Susan sent me to a dead Pai Gow Poker game just before my shift ended. Fiesta put in on the game the notorious "Mama Chong Player killer dealer," and Mama DUMPED $40,000 to this meth lady with graveyard finished the dumping job. All legit. A casino cannot renege payment to a player because "you look high" anymore because "because you look female or Asian" or what have you. Fiesta took the action without judgment, and paid without judgment, as it should be. What you put into your body on a Sunny day is your business; what you play on a table at any time is our mutual business, and if all players and dealers are clean and enter into the action, then take your winnings and we salute you, - hopefully to see you back real soon.

When my shift ended, I told Susan that this "meth lady Blackjack Player" needed medical attention in my opinion; NO cocktail waitress came anywhere near her. Meth lady could have drunk a fifth of Vodka like water and not feel it, she was so spun out. And Susan the floor lady was NOT like, "she's playing big money and here's the Shift's opportunity!"

Susan was more like, "She's very lucid and in control, and is sweating a little bit, but she seems okay, - who are WE to bust her for being high, like we are the judges or morality in a gambling hall, - she is behaving like a lady, even if a high lady" - and Susan was right. This is aside from a bizarre case eye vibration "nystagmus" where her eye sockets were a blur of Grey due to the eyes vibrating from a monster Meth high that was freaking us out a bit IF we looked instead of listen to this lady. I mean the lady was beyond high - just wasted, but in great control. Sometimes she'd talk so fast it sounded like an action or a racing track report, but mostly she sounded deliberate, lucid, and focused, and she SURE played really well.

If she were this high on pot or narcotics, the lady would have lost the same $40,000 in 22 minutes, head down on the table with us doing some explaining. But she was the polar opposite of being in anything approaching a stupor, in fact just the opposite something frightening.

We never saw her again. She didn't "take us" for $40,000, she just won it while being scary high in the UP direction, not comatose. She rolled us cleanly and left.


Don't need to. I'm convinced.

Wow. I guess you can see it all in Vegas. This reminds me of a night at El Cortez at the black jack table where I saw the highest man who looked like he was homeless just drop a few 5k chips next to me asking the dealer if he could count't it for him.

Quote: EvenBob

Now they're protesting in CO that so many companies
drug test their employees, it should be illegal
to fire somebody with a legal drug like pot in their
system. Completely overlooking that if you show
up intoxicated with booze, you also get fired.

Not commenting on the merit of their argument since I can see both sides of the issue. I mean it is a private employer and all that jazz. But your characterization is silly there is a massive difference between having pot in your system because over the weekend you decide to partake and showing up to work tanked. Yeah showing up to work high should definately get you fired just like showing up to work drunk. But if you wouldn't fire some guy for seeing him at a bar on a Saturday why fire him for finding pot in his system.

Quote: Mission146

Sephiroth was more of a badass, but Kefka was better in terms of being a pure villain. Kefka was just a straight-up Nihilist, he wanted to destroy the world, because, why not? Sephiroth could have dispatched of Cloud and gang rather handily, and way earlier in the game, but he was too worried about his Mommy. It's okay, though, I gave him a good object lesson in the benefits of staying focused on the task at hand.

just googled this.

Why Final Fantasy VI's Kefka is the Best Video Game Villain of All Time

http://kotaku.com/5976002/why-final-fantasy-vis-kefka-is-the-best-video-game-villain-of-all-time

Quote: Twirdman

But if you wouldn't fire some guy for seeing him at a bar on a Saturday why fire him for finding pot in his system.

Because who wants some goofball doper working when
he's high. And that's what would happen. He'd sit in
his car and get blasted on some killer hybrid, and you're
stuck with him the rest of the day.

Quote: EvenBob

Because who wants some goofball doper working when
he's high. And that's what would happen. He'd sit in
his car and get blasted on some killer hybrid, and you're
stuck with him the rest of the day.

Again there is a massive difference between smoking on the job and having pot in your system. I mean do employers routinely troll bars to make sure their employees never go. Also you seem to think that all pot smokers are dead ends and can't do anything and thats simply not the case. Someone already pointed out the massive number of musicians and there are plenty of other people who are massively successful and yet smoke pot. Again though fire someone for being high on the job but there is not necessarily any reason to drug test employees.

Quote: Twirdman

Again there is a massive difference between smoking on the job and having pot in your system.

But if you allow pot in the system, you'll have
those guys getting blasted in the parking lot.
Everybody knows this. I give this law 18 months
before it gets repealed.