CasinoKat from NanoTech
Quote: MathExtremistIt's not a question of feeling. US copyright law is very clear on the question of ownership of original works of authorship: if you're the original author, the copyright is yours.
Further, and likely problematically for Zuga and the new owners, there is no ToS for this forum (that I can find) that grants a content license to WizardofVegas.com for those original works of authorship.
And though I'm not an attorney, it would seem that imposition of a new ToS granting a permanent content license would inherently come with the ability to opt-out -- and thereby remove all prior content offered up without such a permanent license. If I understand correctly, without an actual agreement that what gets posted stays on the site forever, Ahigh would be well within his rights to demand a takedown of all his content.
The difference between my post and this one is education. SIGH
Quote: AhighI formerly had an ability to edit my own posts. That ability is a form of ownership in my opinion.
If you misunderstand, please be explicit in your failure (to understand) before we proceed based on a false conclusion of what seems to imply some sort of other definition of ownership.
Context matters. And the context of your message could be interpreted as inflammatory.
Let us please not argue semantics here. I think you knew what I meant, frankly.
I asked a question, and you choose to take it the way you did. I can't help that you choose to feel insulted or that someone is saying something inflammatory when someone asks why you have a certain opinion. The first line of your reply answers my question to you and that would normally be the end of it.
While I don't think I own the stuff written here, some of the others that expressed opinions on the issue made good points supporting the idea that I might. I did also look at other forums and saw some with policies allowing edits for a limited period of time and then ways to delete posts should that time expire and the author deem removal of the post necessary. That makes sense. I can be convinced that my original thought on the matter is incorrect; I don't pretend to know everything.
I asked you a question. I was not trying to start a disagreement with you but I did disagree with you.
It's the policy that upset me, and it's not personal. I just feel like I'm being backed into a corner legally that could lead to problems, that's all.
I have a lot of posts on this forum going back many years. And while I have nothing to hide, I just don't like the fact that if I did want to change something I wished I hadn't said so as not to appear unprofessional online, I no longer have the ability to do that.
So it changes exactly what the forum is: this change.
And I don't like the new forum as much. Just like I don't like the same restriction on 2+2 as much as I like the way that this forum was run up until recently.
Anyway, no worries, and apologize for the confusion.
Each time I run into that hard limit on edit time and wish to edit, it's a negative event. Enough of those, and I'm done.
<EDIT:> I edit a LOT
Wed.
Quote: EvenBobMods, don't forget to unsuspend Ahigh on
Wed.
I've been just WAITING on the EDGE OF MY seat just to post back and forth with you champ.
Quote: AhighI've been just WAITING on the EDGE OF MY seat just to post back and forth with you champ.
Why, to what end?
Aaron, you've got a lot of responsibility on your shoulders now trying to birth a new form of casino game, and I believe that nothing positive for you or your business can come from continued flame wars with EB; of course you can continue if you want, but you might want to reconsider.
A fisherman cannot catch a fish if the fish doesn't rise to and take the shiny, flashy bait.
He'll just continue to put down your games in an attempt to get your goat, a game he's a past master of playing.
You're an undestandably "proud parent," and no parent likes to be told they birthed an "ugly baby."
Just let it go, and welcome back.
Besides, I bought a block of stock in your company and I want it to take off.
Quote: MrVin an attempt to get your goat, .
When you lawyer types throw around
these complicated farmyard legal
concepts, I'm always baffled. Why can't
you just use terms the common people
can understand.
Just curious why you invested in the company?Quote: MrVWhy, to what end?
Aaron, you've got a lot of responsibility on your shoulders now trying to birth a new form of casino game, and I believe that nothing positive for you or your business can come from continued flame wars with EB; of course you can continue if you want, but you might want to reconsider.
A fisherman cannot catch a fish if the fish doesn't rise to and take the shiny, flashy bait.
He'll just continue to put down your games in an attempt to get your goat, a game he's a past master of playing.
You're an undestandably "proud parent," and no parent likes to be told they birthed an "ugly baby."
Just let it go, and welcome back.
Besides, I bought a block of stock in your company and I want it to take off.
A) You thought it would be fun to invest in a company because you know Ahigh.
B) You have faith the company will do good.
C) Your a craps and DI fan.
D) You wanted to own a pice of Ahigh
E) A C and D who cares it's a penny stock and I can afford to buy whatever the hell I like.
F)All of the above.
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I lost on the investment with NTEK; hoping lightning doesn't strike twice.
At least they're trying.
And hey, it's just a penny stock.
Quote: EvenBobWhen you lawyer types throw around
these complicated farmyard legal
concepts, I'm always baffled. Why can't
you just use terms the common people
can understand.
Got it.
You need the legal jargon.
*clears throat, waves fingers over keyboard*
in an attempt to "acquire by trickery, deceit and / or fraudulent inducement all right, title and interest which you now have or may in the future acquire in and to the subject at hand, to wit: your domesticated ruminant.
Quote: MrVWhy, to what end?
I wasn't serious. That was sarcasm.
I am less than motivated to post. That is not sarcasm.
I then played the pinball game. I enjoyed it. I way more easily could see a bank of these games against a wall in lieu of some traditional slot machines. I was able to score a high enough score, that if betting enough, could have turned my play into + EV. This is of course comparing to whoever previously tried it, and likely wouldn't be so when some sharks would be APing it. That being said, even if I turned off the skill entirely, I would WAY prefer this fun game to pushing a button on an equally -EV slot machine.
I think they have a chance. I'm interested to see their results in a real casino!
Quote: SOOPOOI'm interested to see their results in a real casino!
How much money did you have to put in
to play them? That's about 75% of the
issue with this, you know. Did you put
a hundy in the pinball, isn't that the
min they were talking about?
Quote: EvenBobHow much money did you have to put in
to play them? That's about 75% of the
issue with this, you know. Did you put
a hundy in the pinball, isn't that the
min they were talking about?
I'd put in a hundred, once. Then I'd see how it went.
I seem to remember being the regional Asteroids champion.
But I was sub-par at pinball ;-)
Quote: EvenBobHow much money did you have to put in
to play them? That's about 75% of the
issue with this, you know. Did you put
a hundy in the pinball, isn't that the
min they were talking about?
They said at a lower % return similar to a slot machine you could bet as little as $10. At $100 the return is similar to good VP.
Quote: SOOPOOThey said at a lower % return similar to a slot machine you could bet as little as $10. At $100 the return is similar to good VP.
So how much cash did you put in
yourself? Did you play for free?
You're kidding, right? Nanotech is not a licensed gaming operator and can't take wagers in their offices. You don't actually think visitors to IGT or Aristocrat can bet cash on the slot machines in the lobby, do you?Quote: EvenBobSo how much cash did you put in
yourself? Did you play for free?
If not, what was the point of your question?
Quote: MathExtremist
If not, what was the point of your question?
That playing for free is an entirely different
experience than doing so and losing $100.
Heck, I'd play them for free. I'm sure not
going to waste any money on them, however.
The only reviews that count are from players
that make an investment and play for awhile.
All casino games are fun if they don't cost
you anything. Get $100 in chips at roulette
and tell me how much 'fun' you had 20 min
later when it's all gone.
Unlike a table game, the house edge is not fixed, but can be adjusted by the operator. In every case, the HE% goes down or stays the same as the bet amount goes up to enable operators to offer lower percentage costs that are easier to beat with skill while still earning more money from the players who are afraid more of losing too much at once than paying too much per average game (IE: those who can't multiply HE% by the bet amount to see that the costs are going UP as the HE% is going down).
And this is just one setting, not the only one.
Quote: EvenBobThat playing for free is an entirely different
experience than doing so and losing $100.
Heck, I'd play them for free. I'm sure not
going to waste any money on them, however.
The only reviews that count are from players
that make an investment and play for awhile.
All casino games are fun if they don't cost
you anything. Get $100 in chips at roulette
and tell me how much 'fun' you had 20 min
later when it's all gone.
Oh muh gawd. Why do I post here again?
In slots, Hold % is a synonym for the house edge, which you give in your second column.
In table games, Hold % is equal to (win/drop), which cannot be precisely calculated.
Thanks.
Quote: teliotI don't understand the last column, Hold %.
In slots, Hold % is a synonym for the house edge, which you give in your second column.
In table games, Hold % is equal to (win/drop), which cannot be precisely calculated.
Thanks.
Yeah, looking it over, I don't even know what that last column is. LOL.
Okay, I just went in, and it was just a hack to get that yellow line to scale to look right in the picture. It is equal to HA% multiplied by a constant 25.
This chart was just thrown together to explain this stuff to some folks who wanted to understand it better and hasn't been prepped for presentation, so it's a little bit raw.
Anyway.
Quote: iHubPost from shajandr pointing to this thread and others on this site
They are just having a field day over at iHub -- I'll bet zcore would feel all at home over there telling them just what a "professional" he is in fact. I assume that he's the "professional" referenced by these oh-so-experienced traders moving loads of shares on NTGL.
Seriously the whole thing is a hoot.
It seems like the less skin someone has in this debate, the more knowledgeable they want to appear to be on the subject.
I only brought this one message over to illustrate the effect of people posting on this forum as it feeds information to guys who's main qualifications are scam-of-the-day with their little two-cent schemes to run algorithmic money-market schemes on penny stocks. We are just another stock to them and they fail to understand pretty much everything we are doing.
I think someone suggested we never even went to G2E as their little battle cry for why we are all washed up.
It's interesting anyway.
Of course I am just making assumptions that the "professional" they are referencing is Zcore. It could be EvenBob they think is the pro.
Quote: AhighThey are just having a field day over at iHub -- I'll bet zcore would feel all at home over there telling them just what a "professional" he is in fact. I assume that he's the "professional" referenced by these oh-so-experienced traders moving loads of shares on NTGL.
Seriously the whole thing is a hoot.
It seems like the less skin someone has in this debate, the more knowledgeable they want to appear to be on the subject.
I only brought this one message over to illustrate the effect of people posting on this forum as it feeds information to guys who's main qualifications are scam-of-the-day with their little two-cent schemes to run algorithmic money-market schemes on penny stocks. We are just another stock to them and they fail to understand pretty much everything we are doing.
I think someone suggested we never even went to G2E as their little battle cry for why we are all washed up.
It's interesting anyway.
Of course I am just making assumptions that the "professional" they are referencing is Zcore. It could be EvenBob they think is the pro.
I'll say it again, maybe just for me, but why would a President of a company but himself up here for this type of debate? Most of us agree many people in the casino industry read this site to see if they can find out something new to either help their business or keep them from losing money.
I do hope you get the opportunity to present your companies offerings to some of these casinos. And if you do and they read this site, what do you really think their opinion will be of you. Assuming they never met you and only knew you from your posts over the years. Is that the way a) You would like to be thought of? b) How you would want the President of a company you are part of and invested in is perceived?
Just food for thought on my end, maybe not worth much to you, but maybe I expect a higher standard from Presidents of companies I deal with.
I hope you take it the way it was intended, as unsolicited advise. Boz
Quote: BozI'll say it again, maybe just for me, but why would a President of a company but himself up here for this type of debate? Most of us agree many people in the casino industry read this site to see if they can find out something new to either help their business or keep them from losing money.
I do hope you get the opportunity to present your companies offerings to some of these casinos. And if you do and they read this site, what do you really think their opinion will be of you. Assuming they never met you and only knew you from your posts over the years. Is that the way a) You would like to be thought of? b) How you would want the President of a company you are part of and invested in is perceived?
Just food for thought on my end, maybe not worth much to you, but maybe I expect a higher standard from Presidents of companies I deal with.
I hope you take it the way it was intended, as unsolicited advise. Boz
Well, I have nothing to hide. Truly. They can say what they want, really. As far as my behavior, it is what it is and it hasn't changed with time.
Folks who meet me in person probably come away with a different opinion than the opinion of Zcore or EvenBob of Shajandr.
Shajandr is very well known on iHub just as Zcore is very well known on here. For those who don't know the source, the content looks much more toxic than it really is. But he never says anything positive at all. I know that some believe that he is simply paid to bash.
I don't know who the guy is, but I know he's so far up my personal business it would be embarrassing if anyone knew who he was.
There are lots of anon's posting trash about me. It's alright.
Quote: AhighThey are just having a field day over at iHub -- I'll bet zcore would feel all at home over there telling them just what a "professional" he is in fact. I assume that he's the "professional" referenced by these oh-so-experienced traders moving loads of shares on NTGL.
Seriously the whole thing is a hoot.
It seems like the less skin someone has in this debate, the more knowledgeable they want to appear to be on the subject.
I only brought this one message over to illustrate the effect of people posting on this forum as it feeds information to guys who's main qualifications are scam-of-the-day with their little two-cent schemes to run algorithmic money-market schemes on penny stocks. We are just another stock to them and they fail to understand pretty much everything we are doing.
I think someone suggested we never even went to G2E as their little battle cry for why we are all washed up.
It's interesting anyway.
Of course I am just making assumptions that the "professional" they are referencing is Zcore. It could be EvenBob they think is the pro.
Not sure why you would bring me up (possibly violating forum rule #12 about trolling), but you might want to re-read the information you "borrowed" from another website and posted here (possibly violating forum rule #2) The professional mentioned by the writer was professional gamblers. I don't think I fall under that term.
I also don't participate on that topic on that site and had no idea about the pirating video games thing. Good info to know I guess if there are investors here that don't participate there. That also would not be me.
I thought I had given you enough free advice and was not going to post in this topic anymore, but since you decided to bring me back into it with mis-information, I thought I should at least reply.
Take Care.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Not sure why you would bring me up (possibly violating forum rule #12 about trolling), but you might want to re-read the information you "borrowed" from another website and posted here (possibly violating forum rule #2) The professional mentioned by the writer was professional gamblers. I don't think I fall under that term.
I also don't participate on that topic on that site and had no idea about the pirating video games thing. Good info to know I guess if there are investors here that don't participate there. That also would not be me.
I thought I had given you enough free advice and was not going to post in this topic anymore, but since you decided to bring me back into it with mis-information, I thought I should at least reply.
Take Care.
It sounds so sincere. Good effort.
I had never read that before today. Hightower's narcissism and total lack of self-awareness is astounding.
It's one thing to post on penny stock message boards with his know-it-all attitude but to tell professional gamblers and people in the casino industry that they just don't understand his intelligence is something to behold.
And now he's upset that that board changed the settings so he can't edit posts weeks/months old because he believes he owns the content he posted on someone else's site!
The discussion about Namco's Pac Man trademark is especially telling. Those people don't know that Hightower's funding is coming from the guy who went to prison a few months ago for pirating video games.
He ignores the question about why his pinball machine still isn't in any casinos yet a year after it was introduced. He says the current game crashed at G2 and they couldn't fix it because it's a prototype box that overheated, which means it's at least a year away from being ready. They wonder how they keep the lights on without any revenue, not understanding that there's no rush when it's pennyland suckers money paying the ridiculous salary he feels he deserves so there's no rush. So long as they have a carrot to dangle and paper to print fresh stock on.
I suggest everyone read that thread. Those are professionals in his field.
Quote: AhighThey are just having a field day over at iHub -- I'll bet zcore would feel all at home over there telling them just what a "professional" he is in fact. I assume that he's the "professional" referenced by these oh-so-experienced traders moving loads of shares on NTGL.
Seriously the whole thing is a hoot.
It seems like the less skin someone has in this debate, the more knowledgeable they want to appear to be on the subject.
I only brought this one message over to illustrate the effect of people posting on this forum as it feeds information to guys who's main qualifications are scam-of-the-day with their little two-cent schemes to run algorithmic money-market schemes on penny stocks. We are just another stock to them and they fail to understand pretty much everything we are doing.
I think someone suggested we never even went to G2E as their little battle cry for why we are all washed up.
It's interesting anyway.
Of course I am just making assumptions that the "professional" they are referencing is Zcore. It could be EvenBob they think is the pro.
Wow, interesting site. How did you get so
many haters on your case. They don't have
anything good to say at all.
Quote: EvenBobThey don't have
anything good to say at all.
That's a lie. Did you know that you were lying when you said that?
Because if you did, they have a word for those kinds of lies: slander.
I saw this on Linked-In today from Barry Milligan. He's a professional in the industry that says pretty good stuff pretty frequently on his Linked-In updates.
Maybe I'm a small mind when I get wound up talking about shady-J Zcore and EvenBob. But seriously, we could discuss ideas if the intellectual capacity for the lowest common denominator on this forum were more as represented by the bashers on iHub (IE: more professional).
I posted numbers and I got one response about numbers and how many responses about personalities?
Quote: AhighThat's a lie. Did you know that you were lying when you said that?
Because if you did, they have a word for those kinds of lies: slander.
The ones I read were all negative. It's a
hard site to navigate, I've never seen a
more user unfriendly site.
Quote: EvenBobThe ones I read were all negative. It's a
hard site to navigate, I've never seen a
more user unfriendly site.
Yeah, that site is worse than this one for sure!
But there are similarities, still.
Same guys posting same old tired stuff over and over and the same debates over and over and the same people thinking the same things that are OBVIOUSLY FALSE and the tired responses from folks who know trying to talk sense into idiots and then arguing.
Yeah, lots of similarities, really.
Quote: AhighYeah, that site is worse than this one for sure!
But there are similarities, still.
Same guys posting same old tired stuff over and over and the same debates over and over and the same people thinking the same things that are OBVIOUSLY FALSE and the tired responses from folks who know trying to talk sense into idiots and then arguing.
Yeah, lots of similarities, really.
There seems to be a lot more going on
here than meets the eye, things I don't
even care to know about. The politics
of it don't interest me.
Please. Casino gamblers don't typically go into EGM vendor showrooms, and if they do, they're not expecting to wager real money. The point of a showroom (or a tradeshow like G2E) is to demonstrate new products. By definition, a new product hasn't yet seen any real gambling action, but nobody on the operator side of the business would ever look at a product demo and think "gee, this is unrealistic because it's an entirely different experience than when you're betting real money."Quote: EvenBobThat playing for free is an entirely different
experience than doing so and losing $100.
You may actually believe that the only way to get a feel for a game -- whether certain players will like it, whether it will be more successful than other products -- is to wager real money on it. That's just not accurate, but I can't impart the experience to convince you otherwise in this forum.
Quote: MathExtremistI can't impart the experience to convince you otherwise in this forum.
You can't because it's not true. Why
do people play the penny slots and
not the $5 slots. The money they
risk has a definite influence on the
quality of the experience they're
having. Playing pinball for free in
a showroom, and risking a $100
bill on it are two different animals.
The way it's going, though, we'll
never find out what the casino
experience will be. Oh well..
Quote:Playing pinball for free in
a showroom, and risking a $100
bill on it are two different animals.
Consider it analogous to test driving a car you are thinking of buying.
You just want to get the feel of it, familiarize yourself with the vehicle and determine whether you like it, whether it "works for you."
Quote: MrVConsider it analogous to test driving a car you are thinking of buying.
You just want to get the feel of it, familiarize yourself with the vehicle and determine whether you like it, whether it "works for you."
Bob is right that it's still not exactly the same. Ever play poker online at a free site? A little different than when it's real money. Also, I've had focus groups that have played games, said nice things about it, but when I talk to them later after everything sinks in a little and there's no pressure of everyone being around, they say they wouldn't play or play much with real money.
ZCore13
Real minds prefer to mix it up.Quote: Ahigh
Some gases are more inert than others.
Quote: Zcore13Bob is right that it's still not exactly the same. Ever play poker online at a free site? A little different than when it's real money.
ZCore13
A guy I know has a couple slot machines
that are set up to play for free. It's kinda
fun because you have no emotional
investment, you don't care if you lose.
Totally different experience than when
you're down $200 and are trying to get
it back. If you think that's 'fun', something
is wrong with you.
I'm sure Ahigh's games are a blast to play
at shows and where he works. All casino
games are fun when they're free.
Quote: EvenBobAll casino games are fun when they're free.
There a pretty obviously false overly broad blanket statement. And of course there are more where that one came from when you don't have the wherewithal to contemplate the validity of what you say, and instead focus on the success rate in whether or not someone gives you attention by responding.
You tell so many lies that it is ridiculous!
You have that backwards on all counts. Pretty soon, we'll have people playing free blackjack tournaments, and then bragging about winning.Quote: EvenBobA guy I know has a couple slot machines
that are set up to play for free. It's kinda
fun because you have no emotional
investment, you don't care if you lose.
Totally different experience than when
you're down $200 and are trying to get
it back. If you think that's 'fun', something
is wrong with you.
I'm sure Ahigh's games are a blast to play
at shows and where he works. All casino
games are fun when they're free.
But I do agree that no one will play an arcade game for more than 25 cents, if at all anymore.
Quote: TheGrimReaper13You have that backwards on all counts. .
No I don't. Some of the people who
play the machines for free at my
friends house have never been is
a casino and will never go in one.
But they'll play them for free all
day long because there's no risk
involved.
Quote: AhighThere a pretty obviously false overly broad blanket statement. And of course there are more where that one came from when you don't have the wherewithal to contemplate the validity of what you say, and instead focus on the success rate in whether or not someone gives you attention by responding.
You tell so many lies that it is ridiculous!
I can't name one casino game that's
not fun if it's free. Neither can you.
Quote: BozI know AHigh cant say anything because of disclosure, but it would be nice to know if any of these games have any shot of ever being in a casino.
Yes.
Quote: BozI know AHigh cant say anything because of disclosure, but it would be nice to know if any of these games have any shot of ever being in a casino.
The real question is, do any of them have
a chance of staying in a casino if they ever
make it to the floor. For most new games
that's a resounding NO. That's an indisputable
fact.
I can't name anyone who plays casino games at home for free. Kids maybe, but, then, kids are liable to try anything (and like it).Quote: EvenBobI can't name one casino game that's
not fun if it's free. Neither can you.
Quote: EvenBobNeither can you.
That is also a lie. Just believing a lie doesn't make it true. That's another concept you should look further into if you start trying to educate yourself.
Of course I think any astute reader knows that self-education is a distant priority to creating trouble on the forum while staying within the confines of the rules.
Quote: AhighThat is also a lie. Just believing a lie doesn't make it true. That's another concept you should look further into if you start trying to educate yourself.
.
Please name some games that aren't fun
if played free, then. Thanks in advance.
