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August 29th, 2012 at 9:13:12 AM permalink
It has taken months of work to get to this point, but I'm happy to say that the Video Poker Wizard is available for purchase on the iPhone/iPad! You can see the features here, although I think that page could be better.

Here is your chance to help me out by (1) purchasing the app ($9.99), and (2) providing feedback. I'm sure that MustangSally will not be making a purchase, but for the rest of you that use this site, and never opened a Bodog/Bovada account, please consider this as a way of helping out.

I look forward to your comments.
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August 29th, 2012 at 9:24:51 AM permalink
I suppose I'd need an iPhone first...

But this would be a heck of a lot easier than thumbing through my stack of strategy cards while I'm playing! I left my Pick 'Em card behind at a machine somewhere a few years ago, too.

If I ever get with the 21st Century and upgrade, I'm buying this!
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August 29th, 2012 at 9:56:37 AM permalink
I just bought it and look forward to giving it a try. Did you write the app yourself?
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August 29th, 2012 at 10:45:58 AM permalink
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August 29th, 2012 at 11:03:15 AM permalink
" I'm sure that MustangSally will not be making a purchase. "

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August 29th, 2012 at 11:08:46 AM permalink
I didn't buy it yet (no wifi near work).

I don't play video poker, except when I get a free slot voucher for some reason. But I certainly don't mind sending $9.99 your way. I'd like to be able to say, A buddy of mine created that. Of course, I'd rather if you were able to say the same about Poker For Roulette :)


Based upon what I see at the Apple website, a big feature is editing paytables. Can you edit the defaults? If so does it save the changes as a new paytable or change the default? Does it have a bunch of typical defaults for each game already? How many custom paytables can be added?
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August 29th, 2012 at 11:52:14 AM permalink
Now I have to have my 13 year old grand- daughter explain to me what an AP is and why I might need one.

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your baby......... BELLE STARR.
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August 29th, 2012 at 12:35:42 PM permalink
Let me know when you get an Android version out. Then I would definitely buy it.
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August 29th, 2012 at 2:12:50 PM permalink
Quote: FarFromVegas

But this would be a heck of a lot easier than thumbing through my stack of strategy cards while I'm playing! I left my Pick 'Em card behind at a machine somewhere a few years ago, too.


You might want to be careful before doing this - if it has the capability of letting you enter the dealt hand and then telling you which cards to discard, some casinos might consider that too much of an advantage. ("Tell you what; we'll compromise - you can use it on 7/5 Jacks or Better.")
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August 29th, 2012 at 2:14:56 PM permalink
I'd happily buy it, except I don't have one of those phones. I have whatever phone AT&T is willing to give me for free at the time.
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August 29th, 2012 at 2:52:32 PM permalink
Thanks for those who bought the app so far!

Quote: DRich

Did you write the app yourself?



No, our own JB did all the heavy lifting. I just oversaw the features and design.

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Do you want us to post any errors/bugs here, pm, your contact form, and/or telepathically?



I would prefer a PM or Email.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Based upon what I see at the Apple website, a big feature is editing paytables. Can you edit the defaults? If so does it save the changes as a new paytable or change the default? Does it have a bunch of typical defaults for each game already? How many custom paytables can be added?



Yes, you can create your own pay tables. It must be based on one of the games listed here. Once you select it then you can make any hand pay anything you wish. Yes, each of those games has a bunch of default pay tables is already has analyzed. If you make your own it takes about five seconds to calculate the return. I don't think there is any cap on the number of pay tables you can save. Once you analyze a pay table it is like creating a text message, it stays in the list until you choose to delete it.

Quote: buzzpaff

Now I have to have my 13 year old grand- daughter explain to me what an AP is and why I might need one.



Next you'll tell me you still use a rotary dial phone. At least we know you made the leap from typewriter to computer.

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Let me know when you get an Android version out. Then I would definitely buy it.



I will. Let's see how this does first. If it makes money I plan to a pai tow tiles one next.

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Re: " I'm sure that MustangSally will not be making a purchase. "

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August 29th, 2012 at 3:17:27 PM permalink
" Quote: buzzpaff
Re: " I'm sure that MustangSally will not be making a purchase. "

Secret administrators : If not a suspension, I think this comment deserves at least a warning !!!!!!



Sally should be happy to be off the hook. For the rest of you, consider your arms gently twisted. "


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August 29th, 2012 at 3:29:07 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

If it makes money I plan to a pai tow tiles one next.

Is there a market for that? I mean, I doubt a casino would let you use it at the table.



Quote: Wizard

For the rest of you, consider your arms gently twisted.

OW!

Oh, wait. That was gentle. Painless too....




The installation went smoothly. Now I'm gonna play with it, etc....
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August 29th, 2012 at 3:43:37 PM permalink
I will need to get an Apple device as well.........hanging on to my 3 year old Blackberry but I have an iPhone 5 in my future! Will be happy to support once my device is in hand.

Wiz, was it a big decision for you not to go with a iOS & Android app at same time? I am asking because I am in the process of having an app developed for one of my games (yes, I don't even own an "iDevice" yet and I am having an app developed) and it will also be iOS only.

Just curious on your thoughts there......don't mean to hijack the thread.
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August 29th, 2012 at 3:43:41 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Now I have to have my 13 year old grand- daughter explain to me what an AP is and why I might need one.

The epitaph below if from the headstone of the outlaw she is named after. See what happens when you let me name
your baby......... BELLE STARR.



I just googled Belle Starr. I'm glad they didn't have high definition back then. YIKES!
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August 29th, 2012 at 3:45:08 PM permalink
Refraining from comment till you post your picture !
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August 29th, 2012 at 3:47:14 PM permalink
Mine is a double YIKES!
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August 29th, 2012 at 3:51:12 PM permalink
Nice. I have one advertising suggestion to drum up more interest.

At this link,iTunes Wizard, the first two screenshots don't grab your attention, can you switch it around so you see the play surface first?
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August 29th, 2012 at 3:54:24 PM permalink
OK. I've played with it a bit. Here's my comments:


First off, I was happily surprised that I can actually PLAY the games. I thought it was just an analyzer.

One setting seems to do nothing: Easy hold/discard. Correction: I read what it does in the help screen. That seems silly. I was expecting it to change the buttons to add a button for "best Play" I.E. Present the cards, give me a chance to look at them, then I have the option of hitting a button to select what the Auto Hold would have selected.

If analyzing a hand during the game, allow double clicking one of the analysis lines to hold the cards shown for that line.


The help seems too wordy - I figured most of it out before reading the help. Some of it is the same as for other apps, making the much of help text unnecessary. There is also a lot of redundancy.

The About screen should have links to Wizard of Odds and Wizard of Vegas.


The manual analysis screen should have a third button, "Analyze" or "Go". This will allow editing to fix an error before the results appear, as well as to give the user a chance to guess after hitting the Random button.

You should not be allowed to delete any of the standard paytables.


When editing the paytables to create a new paytable, the new one should use the values of the selected table as defaults rather than the top listed table.



I may come up with more stuff as I get more into it.



Note: Overall, I think it's a great app. Don't take any of these comments as negative critique. It's advice for potential improvements on an already great app.
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August 29th, 2012 at 4:56:26 PM permalink
Thanks for the additional comments. I agree that iTunes page is pretty weak. I don't know how much control I have over it though. DJ, those were so many suggestions it will take a little longer to digest them all.

Quote: Paradigm

Wiz, was it a big decision for you not to go with a iOS & Android app at same time? I am asking because I am in the process of having an app developed for one of my games (yes, I don't even own an "iDevice" yet and I am having an app developed) and it will also be iOS only.



I use an iPhone myself, so am biased. The Venetian gave me a Blackberry, and I hate it by comparison. We will look at the Android a little later.
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August 29th, 2012 at 5:12:18 PM permalink
I tend to excel at breaking programs that aren't fully tested.

On that note, I broke it.

I was playing with the paytables. I used the Jacks or Better 9/6 to create a new table where the quads paid 20 (instead of 25) and full house paid 10 (instead of 9). Ran the analysis, and saw that the return is only a hair less than 9/6.

Then I tested deleting a default table. I deleted the 9/6, then moved this new 20/10 table to the top, so I could use it as a default when I rebuild 9/6. As I got it to the top, the app crashed.

No big deal, I've had apps crash before.

But it continued to crash each time I loaded it. The "loading..." screen would appear, then crash after about 3 seconds.

I eventually deleted the app, and reloaded it, and it now works again, but this is an issue that needs immediate attention.
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August 29th, 2012 at 5:59:30 PM permalink
Thanks. This is beyond my ability to fix. Hopefully JB can fix it. By the way, when I first clicked on the app it said "loading" and then crashed. The second time it worked fine.
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August 29th, 2012 at 6:54:00 PM permalink
Note that I was able to repeat the error after the reload.


I then got the idea that maybe the bug has nothing to do with creating a new table or deleting a default, because I crashed when bringing a table to the top, and actually shoving it a little too far.

When I reloaded the second time, I tried just moving a table to the very top, and it worked fine. Then I tried a variety of other stuff and couldn't get it to fail.

Then I did another reload (to start fresh), and did the exact same steps: Created the 20/10 table. Analyzed it. Deleted the 9/6 table. Moved the 20/10 table to the VERY top. BANG! It crashed.


I'm sure JB will figure it out. Of course, I expect him to scratch his head a bit (or bang his head against the wall) while working on this. Sorry JB.
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August 29th, 2012 at 7:36:10 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff
Now I have to have my 13 year old grand- daughter explain to me what an AP is and why I might need one.



Next you'll tell me you still use a rotary dial phone. At least we know you made the leap from typewriter to computer.


Hey, wife bought me a wireless mouse and keyboard. It will be installed tomorrow when Belle Starr gets home from school.
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August 29th, 2012 at 8:34:19 PM permalink
Bought the app and left positive feedback. Great app, though honestly it costs much more than winpoker and offers more paytables but thats about it. In the future I would really like to see an option where you can play and it will only give you tough hands so that you can learn the strategy better. dealing with hands like KK952 4 suits over and over is not making me a better player...
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August 29th, 2012 at 8:53:10 PM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

Bought the app and left positive feedback. Great app, though honestly it costs much more than winpoker and offers more paytables but thats about it. In the future I would really like to see an option where you can play and it will only give you tough hands so that you can learn the strategy better. dealing with hands like KK952 4 suits over and over is not making me a better player...



Can somebody tell me how much WinPoker costs now? I did not mean to price it higher. However, both JB and I purchased it a while ago, and for some reason we thought the price went up to $10. Once you buy an app I don't know of a way to see what it costs now.

The problem with "borderline hand" mode is you see the same situations over and over. For example, in Jacks or better you will get tons of hands like which is better JT suited or KJ unsuited.
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August 29th, 2012 at 9:24:17 PM permalink
I may be wrong here, I thought it was $5 but it appears to be $10. Unfortunately its not the first time I am wrong....
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August 29th, 2012 at 9:34:25 PM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

I may be wrong here, I thought it was $5 but it appears to be $10. Unfortunately its not the first time I am wrong....




Ron Paul 2012 already told us that. LOL
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August 29th, 2012 at 10:53:52 PM permalink
I would immediately buy this on an Android as a show of support for the forum and use of the product, I do not have an "i" anything though. Put me down as a presale on the Android if you decide to make one.
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August 29th, 2012 at 11:10:35 PM permalink
I paid $10 for WinPoker a year or so ago. Was worth the $10 for the iPad just to get some practice in before my last trip.

Android currently outsells iPhones, and Android is probably outselling iOS devices hands down. The difficulty is the Android 2.2/2.3 and 4.x gap, but the ability to sell to a wide variety of environments is probably a plus. As well as nothing good is out there last time I looked, while iPhone/iPad has winPoker already.

Just saying...
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August 30th, 2012 at 1:57:32 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Android currently outsells iPhones, and Android is probably outselling iOS devices hands down. The difficulty is the Android 2.2/2.3 and 4.x gap, but the ability to sell to a wide variety of environments is probably a plus. As well as nothing good is out there last time I looked, while iPhone/iPad has winPoker already.

Just saying...

Apple OS is 18% of the smartphone market, Android is pushing 70%. That said, I have an Amazon Kindle Fire which runs a bastardized version of Android, and might not even be able to support the app.
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September 13th, 2012 at 6:29:34 PM permalink
I forgot to mention that an update to the app was submitted to Apple yesterday. It will probably take a week for them to approve it.

The crash upon rearranging paytables problem should now be fixed. Other enhancements specified throughout this thread were taken into consideration and changed per the Wizard's decisions.
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September 18th, 2012 at 11:28:07 AM permalink
Any chance of getting ACES bonus poker on there? :)
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September 26th, 2012 at 11:11:55 AM permalink
Please consider an upgrade that uses the smartphone's GPS to identify which games might be commonly found at the individual's location, listing them from best potential payback to worst.

Also, are there tips included regarding changes in strategy when "special" bonus hands are promoted? For example, receiving a bonus scratch card, or bonus game for getting quads, or an extra payout for a sequential royal?
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September 26th, 2012 at 11:50:40 AM permalink
I guess I am sorta dumb. take that back, I know I am dumb. Grand Junction getting it's first apple store in THE mall in time for Xmas shoppers. What the hell does an apple, iphone, or android do for me ?

I carry a cell phone at wife's request and hate the damn thing.

There I am . No troubles in the world, then wife answers her cell phone and somebody's else's problem is now mine.

If they don't get ahold of me, they will fix their own troubles.
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September 26th, 2012 at 11:58:16 AM permalink
Basically an iphone is a phone that also lets you listen to music, surf the internet, play games, and does GPS.
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September 26th, 2012 at 12:39:34 PM permalink
Would that GPS have helped while i was driving in Baltimore ? Do you need to be near wiFi to surf. Thanks.
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October 2nd, 2012 at 8:53:07 PM permalink
AFAIK, so far, I've failed to convince VP gamemakers to incorporate an option that I think would be invaluable to the ability of learning strategy.

That is, having an option to have the game randomly start a different game after each hand. Yes, a completely different game!

Sure you can learn FPDW strategy, 6/9 JoB one at a time.

But you're not a true master until you're capable of changing strategies to a completely new game with every hand. Your brain is no longer stuck in one gear and rusty on other strategies, because you're playing them all. Or all the ones, you normally play. EXP: First hand JP, now DB, now JoB, JP again, DW, etc., ....

Can I finally convince a game maker to implement such a feature? Pretty please?
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October 2nd, 2012 at 9:38:48 PM permalink
It would greatly reduce the speed of play as the player would always have to be switching gears.
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October 2nd, 2012 at 11:47:21 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

It would greatly reduce the speed of play as the player would always have to be switching gears.



The idea is to develop mental flexibility, so you wouldn't be slow forever.

I'm not sure why people don't get this idea. Increasing your skill by being pushed mentally isn't really a new idea.
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October 3rd, 2012 at 12:38:31 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

The idea is to develop mental flexibility, so you wouldn't be slow forever.

I'm not sure why people don't get this idea. Increasing your skill by being pushed mentally isn't really a new idea.


VP players do not play VP to develop mental flexibility. There are more effective and far cheaper ways to do that. On the other hand, VP players *do* like winning large awards, and that won't happen as frequently (per day/month, etc) if the hands/hour drops by 80% or even 20%. I know VP players who can play >1000 deals/hour. There is zero chance of that if the game changes every hand. At a minimum, instead of *just* looking at the cards, now you have to look at the cards and the paytable. And because the players won't play fast enough, the casinos will lose money and, knowing this, won't put the game in. So it's not worth dev and compliance time.

Find something that will *increase* VP coin in and we can talk.
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October 3rd, 2012 at 12:59:26 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

So it's not worth dev and compliance time.



While I don't know much beyond visual basic, but I'm pretty sure a random function of this manner is not that complex to develop in a game.

You're still missing the point though, but that's probably my fault.

I see this more of tool for someone to set-up, who is probably not a professional, to use to be able to play fluidly all the known tables of all the games they prefer in their nearby casino. For instance, they know 3 games with such & such tables are at a casino, so they practice all 3 at once in preperation.

(the majority of people who still use vp strategy aren't pros but buy apps, I would wager a hell of lot more often than all the vp pros that ever lived so far, and will live in the next 100 years as well as far as that goes if we're talking about market potentiall)

Actually, one could get around needing to look at the at anything other than the cards, if you could also input the exact sequence of games. So, you would know which game is coming next. It would still be effective as training for multiple games and you could play as fast as your brain can manage.

Note: maybe you misunderstood, as I was never talking about a real in the casino game, but a training app.
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October 3rd, 2012 at 9:04:32 AM permalink
The randomization would be a simple affair. I did, in fact, misinterpret you as wanting to actually implement this game in a casino. Since you do not, I suppose that it could be fun for some players, though I do not consider it a good training tool. I would suggest that we learn through reptition. I would compare it to playing football when I was a Tight End, Kicker, Punter and Backup QB...It'd be like going to practice and throwing one pass, then blocking a Lineman once, then running an end zone slant route, then attempting a Field Goal, then attempting one coffin corner Punt. It's very difficult to learn without repetition as repetition is what essentially programs the brain (which is essentially a very limited computer with only the advantage of abstract thought) to complete a task effectively.

It would be fun, though, that much I will concede.
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October 3rd, 2012 at 11:08:01 AM permalink
great app, however my favorite game, Deuces Wild Super Times Pay is not included. Can I add it somehow?
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October 3rd, 2012 at 11:15:28 AM permalink
I believe Super Times Pay would have to be licensed either directly from Eugene or from IGT.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
calwatch
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October 3rd, 2012 at 9:05:58 PM permalink
Actually, the randomly changing Video Poker game, or something like it, could be good in a video poker tournament. Every 15 minutes, the game changes - who will win the most fake money and win the tournament?
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October 3rd, 2012 at 9:08:47 PM permalink
In my opinion, that is an excellent idea, but maybe make it two-three minutes.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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October 4th, 2012 at 6:56:09 AM permalink
I make it a rule not to buy hardware from the Evil Empire :)
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
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November 5th, 2012 at 6:13:01 AM permalink
Okay, so I will be dragged into the 21st Century in the very near future. The app can be used to play simulated games for practice and also to run a game's playtable through it to calculate payback percentage, correct?
Each of us is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts. Preparing for a fight about your bad decision is not as smart as making a good decision.
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November 5th, 2012 at 6:16:34 AM permalink
Quote: FarFromVegas

Okay, so I will be dragged into the 21st Century in the very near future. The app can be used to play simulated games for practice and also to run a game's playtable through it to calculate payback percentage, correct?



Yup.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
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