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Joeman
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August 23rd, 2016 at 5:48:22 AM permalink
So, I recently got back from a trip to Harrah's New Orleans, and I've got a question: are dealers just toeing the company line when they are pushing the carny game side bets, or do they actually believe the BS they are spewing?

It is an oddity to find one who doesn't question me about not making side bets. Checking once just to make sure I didn't just forget is one thing, but badgering me when I make it clear that I won't make the bet is quite another. This trip, I had a 3CP dealer tell me I didn't know how to play the game because I wasn't betting the Pairs Plus! And, I had a 4CP dealer stop the game and ask her pit boss if it was OK if I didn't bet the Aces Up!!!!
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ChesterDog
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August 23rd, 2016 at 6:24:46 AM permalink
Quote: Joeman

...This trip, I had a 3CP dealer tell me I didn't know how to play the game because I wasn't betting the Pairs Plus! And, I had a 4CP dealer stop the game and ask her pit boss if it was OK if I didn't bet the Aces Up!!!!



It's a common dealer training problem for games for which most players bet the side bet on every round. For example, once in 3CP I had already looked at my cards and the dealer noticed that I hadn't played the Pairs Plus. She told me I had to make it, and I whined, "But I don't want to make the Pairs Plus," but I agreed to do so--I did have a pair of deuces.

Also, the side bets can be beneficial for the dealer. In Atlantic City, I see that for Spanish 21's side bet "Match the Dealer," upon getting a perfect match (12:1) many players give a red chip to the dealer. That's another reason for the dealers to urge the players to make the side bets.
Joeman
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August 23rd, 2016 at 6:37:47 AM permalink
Quote: ChesterDog

Also, the side bets can be beneficial for the dealer. In Atlantic City, I see that for Spanish 21's side bet "Match the Dealer," upon getting a perfect match (12:1) many players give a red chip to the dealer. That's another reason for the dealers to urge the players to make the side bets.

Yeah, you're right, CD. I didn't think about dealers personally benefiting. I agree that a player is much more likely to tip bigger on a big win than if they just win their even-money bet. I should have put that as one of the poll options.
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LuckyPhow
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August 23rd, 2016 at 6:45:42 AM permalink
Chester,

I agree with Joe. Dealers encourage the side bets in carnival table games because the dealer is likely to get a tip when the player hits a win. A friend recently told me playing 3CP in Reno he was REQUIRED to play the Pair Plus bet every hand. (Never heard of that before, and it's definitely NOT part of the standard rules.)

For myself, I don't bet the side bets, with one exception: If I get a good hand, then on the next hand I may place the bonus bet, telling the dealer, "If it wins, we split the proceeds. So, you know what you need to do: trips (or quads, etc.)" Then, since it seldom hits, if the dealer tries to encourage my making the bet, I can say, "I couldn't get it to hit, even with you going 50-50 with me!"

Also, I never bet the $1 progressive bet. I say that I'll be the guy who will get the winning hand and doesn't collect the progressive payout. For the next 20 years folks at the table will be telling friends, "...and then he hit the jackpot! And, he wasn't even playing the progressive bet!!"

Does anyone know other places where players are REQUIRED to play the bonus bets? I think I heard some Oklahoma casinos may require it.

Lucky
Romes
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August 23rd, 2016 at 9:31:35 AM permalink
Agreed with all the mentions of dealers doing it because side bets are larger variance which equals larger wins which equals more tips.

However, I've definitely come across a few dealers that were ADIMENT that the side bets are "where the money's at" and that you're just losing money NOT to play them. I have to bite my tongue and not explain to them how it often has a 5-10 TIMES worse edge than the game and to play it is most realistically pissing money away.

I've had dealers berate me hand after hand, and at that point I simply point out "Yeah, look how good it's doing for the rest of the table" when they whipe the table clean of all the side bets. Then when they hit ONE they're like "LOOK IT PAYS" and I just point to everyone else that's been losing on it "did it just pay you, or you, or you? hey how much are you down on that bet? and you?" and at least they get the hint and shut up... But yeah, definitely had a few dealers step over what I would consider the line to berate me about not playing the side bets.
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gamerfreak
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August 23rd, 2016 at 9:59:06 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Agreed with all the mentions of dealers doing it because side bets are larger variance which equals larger wins which equals more tips.

However, I've definitely come across a few dealers that were ADIMENT that the side bets are "where the money's at" and that you're just losing money NOT to play them. I have to bite my tongue and not explain to them how it often has a 5-10 TIMES worse edge than the game and to play it is most realistically pissing money away.

I've had dealers berate me hand after hand, and at that point I simply point out "Yeah, look how good it's doing for the rest of the table" when they whipe the table clean of all the side bets. Then when they hit ONE they're like "LOOK IT PAYS" and I just point to everyone else that's been losing on it "did it just pay you, or you, or you? hey how much are you down on that bet? and you?" and at least they get the hint and shut up... But yeah, definitely had a few dealers step over what I would consider the line to berate me about not playing the side bets.


I get this a lot when I play 3CP and only bet on ante/play. I wouldn't say berate, but mostly just told I'm playing wrong. A dealer has even told me both bets are required, when they def were not at this casino.

I don't give a reason the first time they ask and I'm usually left alone about it after that. I just say it's the way I play, or "I'm up $x" and leave it at that.

If they tell me "you would have won $20 if you played pair+/6cb!!" I just mention that I would have lost $100 on the 5 hands I lost/folded before. I'm never bothered after that either.

I'm always polite about it, however much I hate being told how to play.
Joeman
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August 23rd, 2016 at 10:06:59 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

However, I've definitely come across a few dealers that were ADIMENT that the side bets are "where the money's at" and that you're just losing money NOT to play them. I have to bite my tongue and not explain to them how it often has a 5-10 TIMES worse edge than the game and to play it is most realistically pissing money away.

Exactly! This is what I encountered this weekend. I wanted to tell the dealer that I would have been better off playing 00 roulette than Pairs Plus with the 1-3-6 paytable. That's what made me wonder if they really believe what they are saying.
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Deucekies
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August 23rd, 2016 at 10:21:45 AM permalink
Funny enough, there are some casinos in WA that waive Pai Gow commission if you play $5 on the bonus. Under those rules, there are times when placing the high-percentage side bet actually LOWERS the house edge.
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Ibeatyouraces
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August 23rd, 2016 at 10:33:00 AM permalink
Next time a dealer tells you "That's where the money is", ask them why they aren't at the competing casino playing that same side bet making a killing instead of working.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
BedWetterBetter
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January 1st, 2018 at 12:23:29 PM permalink
I know at Caesars in Atlantic City they encourage the dealers to push the Side bets on Table Games. So much so that their BJ tables have TWO separate Side bets on them that vary from a combination of 21 +3 (3 card poker hand) , Lucky Ladies (Any 20 on first 2 cards) , Buster Blackjack(Any dealer bust pays odds) and Match the Dealer. The dealer will usually say, You have TWO chances to win extra, to which I retort with "More like two chances to lose extra!"

I wouldn't be shocked if they institute a Progressive Jackpot for the Blazing 7's and drain more time and money from the game.

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