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August 17th, 2016 at 7:44:42 PM permalink
Wikipedia says there is a debate on the issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_debate_in_the_United_States. There should be no debate. Every point in favor of the debate is BS. If the nickel is the smallest coin (should really be the dime) there would be absolutely no rounding tax: prices that currently end in .x1, .x2, .x6, and .x7 would round down, those that end in .x3, .x4, .x8, and .x9 would round up. The fixed cost argument is a blatant lie. Pennies and nickels are both made at a loss. The theory of hurting the poor because they use cash more often is completely backwards. It would help the poor the most. The people who use cash the most are the ones who would be helped the most by not having to bother with such nearly worthless discs

There is absolutely no rational reason for the penny to be used any more. It needs to be eliminated. The nickel too. It is silly to break the dollar into hundredths. There should be three coins used: one-tenth of a dollar, one-half of a dollar, and a dollar coin. And there should be no more than four paper bills being used ($5, $20, $100 and $500). Most of us would be better off and none of us would be worse off. If a bill comes to $17.02 I don't want to have to carry around a bunch of trivial trinkets, nor do I want to negotiate the seller taking off an insignificant amount. The irony is that by keeping the worthless coins going out of a sense of tradition we are pushing ourselves to a cashless society much faster because no one wants to deal with the most wasteful crap that comes with it.
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August 17th, 2016 at 8:03:21 PM permalink
I absolutely hate how canada has a 1 and 2 dollar coin. Get rid of the penny but don't replace it with more coins.
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August 17th, 2016 at 8:28:29 PM permalink
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I absolutely hate how canada has a 1 and 2 dollar coin. Get rid of the penny but don't replace it with more coins.



I hate how $1 US bills are generally tattered and, for the most part, disgusting.
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August 17th, 2016 at 8:44:39 PM permalink
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I hate how $1 US bills are generally tattered and, for the most part, disgusting.


lol fresh bills are a pain too, they stick together like crazy

I've actually had people decline fresh money because they thought it had to be fake
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August 17th, 2016 at 8:56:17 PM permalink
If they get rid of pennies, you're still going to find a way to get laid. I'm sensing I'm going to hear you've been married 20-30 years and it isn't possible.
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August 17th, 2016 at 9:02:51 PM permalink
I agree 100% with the OP. The only people keeping the penny around are (or is it "is"?) the tin lobby.

Just out of curiosity, when Canada, Australia, and New Zealand eliminated the penny, what happened to them?
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August 17th, 2016 at 10:32:30 PM permalink
im from canada....I wish we would lose the nickel also....we ditched the 1 and 2 dollar bills and the pennies and life went on very normally.
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August 18th, 2016 at 8:01:12 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I agree 100% with the OP. The only people keeping the penny around are (or is it "is"?) the tin lobby.

Just out of curiosity, when Canada, Australia, and New Zealand eliminated the penny, what happened to them?



But when Trump is elected and he replaces all the dollars with Trumps, wouldn't we still need coins, and wouldn't it be fitting to call them "Pence"?

I can give you an earlier de facto example--I traveled in Europe before the euro conversion. In Austria, the schilling was the basic unit of currency, and the groschen was the fractional denomination coin. A schilling, when I was there, was only worth about six cents, so the 1, 2, 5, 10, etc. groschen coins weren't worth keeping around--the 50 groschen (1/2 schilling) coin was the only one anyone used. I noticed that merchants everywhere weren't using groschen coins at all, just rounding up or down to the nearest schilling. That would be equivalent to having the nickel be the smallest unit of our currency in circulation.

I think that might be the same as cashiers in stores just keeping a little dish of pennies by the register and using them to round up or down. Ultimately, it'll come down to custom, not government fiat, that determines whether the penny goes out of circulation. The trouble is, all those pennies are somewhere, and I think that somewhere is in a LOT of glass jars in someone's attic. The government should offer to redeem and then melt down all those pennies, with a deadline of, say, Jan 1 2018, after which the penny would not be legal tender.

The only way this would happen on the government level would be for Obama to make an impassioned speech saying how much he loved the penny and wanted to keep it around. Republicans would then immediately draw up a bill mandating the destruction of all pennies.
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August 18th, 2016 at 12:51:03 PM permalink
Problem with 1-2$ coins is that it forces people to think.

If something is $16.43 maybe you should give the person 22$ instead of 20, confuses the hell out of some cashiers though, I tell them "just type 22 in the register and you'll see"
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August 18th, 2016 at 12:53:07 PM permalink
my wife shocked me by saying that she thought rounding would be used to make people pay more money. She is a smart girl but on this one .... wow

as of 2014, supposedly the public still wants the penny, but just barely
http://www.moneycrashers.com/get-rid-penny-reasons/

Obama has mentioned being in favor of eliminating it
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/02/obama-open-to-getting-rid-of-the-penny/

I think the Wizard is right, the problem is lobbyists as much as anything, although I think it is zinc, not tin, that is used mostly now
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August 18th, 2016 at 1:07:47 PM permalink
Of course everyone will get screwed if they eliminate the penny(a chance I will gladly take) there goes all the 99 cent store's. No more 99 cent super big gulps.
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August 18th, 2016 at 1:17:48 PM permalink
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Of course everyone will get screwed if they eliminate the penny(a chance I will gladly take) there goes all the 99 cent store's. No more 99 cent super big gulps.



Aren't they all Dollar Stores now anyway? I don't remember the last time I saw a 99¢ store.

The only point I disagree with in the OP is that I don't think prices ending in .01, .02, .06, and .07 will round down. Since stores generally set their own prices, I think they'll all round up.

I've read there are hoarders out there who have tens of thousands of pre-1980 pennies just waiting for the penny to be discontinued so they can legally melt them down for much higher than face value.
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August 18th, 2016 at 1:44:15 PM permalink
I don't think this will affect prices or 99¢ stores or anything. After all, people generally purchase more than one item. And besides, it only affects cash transactions. Credit card and check payments will not be rounded.
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August 18th, 2016 at 1:50:48 PM permalink
So maybe we should pay cash when we can save a cent or two with a round-down and use a credit card to avoid a round-up?

Don't think I'll go to that trouble.
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August 18th, 2016 at 2:21:05 PM permalink
If it were good for wal mart and the retailers, I think the penny would be gone. It always seems to be the small businesses that are too good to count up to four.
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August 18th, 2016 at 2:33:06 PM permalink
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I think the Wizard is right, the problem is lobbyists as much as anything, although I think it is zinc, not tin, that is used mostly now



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August 18th, 2016 at 4:28:45 PM permalink
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Obama has mentioned being in favor of eliminating it /



Well, that dooms that idea. It will be called just another effort by that no-good black socialist liberal Muslim to destroy our economy.
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August 18th, 2016 at 8:30:17 PM permalink
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I think the Wizard is right, the problem is lobbyists as much as anything, although I think it is zinc, not tin, that is used mostly now

Quote: Wizard

D'oh! You're right. I'm embarrassed at that one. I owe you 25 push-ups.



He will take cash instead. You probably enjoy push ups, so chastising yourself with push ups would be like me saying I have to drink a shot of Captain if I lose or mess up.

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August 18th, 2016 at 10:21:12 PM permalink
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But when Trump is elected and he replaces all the dollars with Trumps, wouldn't we still need coins, and wouldn't it be fitting to call them "Pence"?

I can give you an earlier de facto example--I traveled in Europe before the euro conversion. In Austria, the schilling was the basic unit of currency, and the groschen was the fractional denomination coin. A schilling, when I was there, was only worth about six cents, so the 1, 2, 5, 10, etc. groschen coins weren't worth keeping around--the 50 groschen (1/2 schilling) coin was the only one anyone used. I noticed that merchants everywhere weren't using groschen coins at all, just rounding up or down to the nearest schilling. That would be equivalent to having the nickel be the smallest unit of our currency in circulation.

I think that might be the same as cashiers in stores just keeping a little dish of pennies by the register and using them to round up or down. Ultimately, it'll come down to custom, not government fiat, that determines whether the penny goes out of circulation. The trouble is, all those pennies are somewhere, and I think that somewhere is in a LOT of glass jars in someone's attic. The government should offer to redeem and then melt down all those pennies, with a deadline of, say, Jan 1 2018, after which the penny would not be legal tender.

The only way this would happen on the government level would be for Obama to make an impassioned speech saying how much he loved the penny and wanted to keep it around. Republicans would then immediately draw up a bill mandating the destruction of all pennies.



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August 18th, 2016 at 10:29:27 PM permalink
In the 80's, inflation was so bad in Argentina that they just dropped a zero and changed the name of their currency to "astral" or something like that. Obviously this was not a cure because the disease is printing unbacked fiat money. It should be noted that pennies and nickels were never supposed to be money, gold and silver were to be money and pennies and nickels were convenient denominations that represented money. We need to first stop the runaway train of debt. Then reverse the trend and somehow start paying it down, and eventually returning something of value to back our currency. Gold and silver has worked for thousands of years. There's a finite amount of it on the planet. Once we restore integrity to our currency, we will need pennies and nickels again.
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August 18th, 2016 at 11:25:26 PM permalink
Nuclear bombs and the 101st Airborne are all the backing our currency needs.
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August 19th, 2016 at 2:19:12 AM permalink
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Nuclear bombs and the 101st Airborne are all the backing our currency needs.



That's a breathtakingly dumb thing to say.

In point of fact, the dollar does not HAVE any backing, meaning that federal currency cannot be exchanged for something else of equal value (as it could have, at least in theory, before we went off the gold standard). It is, like almost all modern currencies, "fiat money." "Fiat" means "let there be." In other words, the dollar is worth what everybody thinks it is; it has no intrinsic value.

And one way we could make the dollar's valuation plummet is by tossing around rhetoric about invading and dropping nuclear weapons on other countries. If we behave like Trumpish bullies, the world will neither treat nor trade with us, meaning no one will want our dollars in exchange for their goods. Bellicose, childish rhetoric may appeal to the playground bully persona of the Orange Orangutan and his followers, but it's anything but constructive.
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August 19th, 2016 at 11:04:08 AM permalink
Our currency is backed by the full faith of our Government, which is supported by the world's strongest military.
Would you rather have the world's strongest military at your back or a piece of rock?
The gold standard is gone forever, and should have been gone about the time the last dodo departed.
What is the intrinsic value ofgold? Can you eat it? Does it grow? Does it provide shelter?
It's only worth what someone will trade for it? Just like our currency.
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August 19th, 2016 at 11:23:17 AM permalink
there are problems with tying a currency to any commodity

in the case of gold, there's too much speculation

has anybody notified Pacomartin about this discussion?
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August 19th, 2016 at 11:38:26 AM permalink
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Our currency is backed by the full faith of our Government, which is supported by the world's strongest military.
Would you rather have the world's strongest military at your back or a piece of rock?
The gold standard is gone forever, and should have been gone about the time the last dodo departed.
What is the intrinsic value ofgold? Can you eat it? Does it grow? Does it provide shelter?
It's only worth what someone will trade for it? Just like our currency.




Ha! The full faith of the government, in other words, trust me. And while it's had the full faith of the government, a candy bar that used to cost 15-cents now costs $1.40.

Here's the deal, though, Einstein. There is a finite amount of gold, its scarcity is part of what makes it valueable. If you tie the dollar to gold, (on demand), then the government cannot have a free license to print $20 friggin TRILLION of it and devalue it by doing so. What the government is doing is the same thing a small criminal counterfeiter is doing. No difference. Creating money out of thin air.

God I'm glad I didn't go to school, I might have ended up as brainwashed as you are.
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August 19th, 2016 at 11:46:43 AM permalink
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...a candy bar that used to cost 15-cents now costs $1.40.


We got 10 for $4.35 recently. You've got to shop around!
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August 19th, 2016 at 11:55:11 AM permalink
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Of course everyone will get screwed if they eliminate the penny(a chance I will gladly take) there goes all the 99 cent store's. No more 99 cent super big gulps.



Price still can have penny denomination, and tax still can be in multiple decimal places. For example, 7.545% sale tax, or $1.959/gal, or $1.68/lb of apple. What really matters is the final rounded sum at the cash register.

The elimination of penny may not hurt zinc supplier that much if only small part of their business depends on the production of penny. One entity could be hurt greatly by the elimination of penny is CoinStar manufacturer. You could short CoinStar stock (if it is publicly traded) because it highly depends on consumers to exchange pennies for cash, gift cards or other bartering transactions (CoinStar accepts all coin denominations -- penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, but I think penny is the most popular coin denomination in CoinStar transactions).

On a side note, the private prisons stock fell big upon the announcement of the U.S. is ending private prisons for federal inmates.
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August 19th, 2016 at 12:00:36 PM permalink
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So maybe we should pay cash when we can save a cent or two with a round-down and use a credit card to avoid a round-up?

Don't think I'll go to that trouble.



I think in order to maintain uniformity and consistency and to avoid confusion, all transaction should be rounded to an established federal, state or local standard.
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August 19th, 2016 at 12:01:26 PM permalink
If you think the Fed will save money by eliminating the penny, you're sadly mistaken. They'll just waste this saved money on some other stupid thing.
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August 19th, 2016 at 12:04:03 PM permalink
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We got 10 for $4.35 recently. You've got to shop around!



You can google "who said the best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch its currency?" Some quotes attribute it to Keynes, and some attribute it to Lenin. Regardless, you can take all the military might and faith in government that Bill Ryan mentioned and still bring the whole thing to its knees by debauching the currency. It's simple, Bill just doesn't know wtf he's talking about. He should demand a refund on his tuition.
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August 19th, 2016 at 12:15:44 PM permalink
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You can google "who said the best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch its currency?" Some quotes attribute it to Keynes, and some attribute it to Lenin. Regardless, you can take all the military might and faith in government that Bill Ryan mentioned and still bring the whole thing to its knees by debauching the currency. It's simple, Bill just doesn't know wtf he's talking about. He should demand a refund on his tuition.


WTH does this have to do with my deal on candy bars?
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August 19th, 2016 at 12:16:15 PM permalink
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Our currency is backed by the full faith of our Government, which is supported by the world's strongest military.
Would you rather have the world's strongest military at your back or a piece of rock?
The gold standard is gone forever, and should have been gone about the time the last dodo departed.
What is the intrinsic value ofgold? Can you eat it? Does it grow? Does it provide shelter?
It's only worth what someone will trade for it? Just like our currency.



If Trump were to become POTUS, and carries out his plan to use Chapter 11 as a mean to negotiate US debt ...

Who would want to buy US Treasury bonds? And on international trades, who would want to accept US currency as a form of payment?
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August 19th, 2016 at 1:43:20 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Our currency is backed by the full faith of our Government, which is supported by the world's strongest military.
Would you rather have the world's strongest military at your back or a piece of rock?
The gold standard is gone forever, and should have been gone about the time the last dodo departed.
What is the intrinsic value ofgold? Can you eat it? Does it grow? Does it provide shelter?
It's only worth what someone will trade for it? Just like our currency.



"The full faith of our government" isn't supported by our military. It's supported by the way we do or do not keep our promises. Faith and trustworthiness aren't a matter of force. They're a matter of national integrity. As an example, Russia also has a very strong military, but they have proved themselves untrustworthy. It's not a coincidence that the Russian currency, and the Russian economy, are in the tank as a result.

I'm glad you understand that the gold standard no longer applies. Now, do you understand that that means that the U.S. dollar isn't "backed" by anything? You might not realize that the government doesn't guarantee the worth of the dollar, or that it's worth anything, for that matter. That's what "backed" would be, if it applied.

A strong military may appeal to those whose worship force and its use (testosterone!!!!), but there's no correlation between military force and economic prosperity. Some of the most prosperous countries in the world have no military at all, or a tiny, ceremonial force. Some countries with strong militaries are economic basket cases. It's not about waving your dick around and baring your teeth (or chest, if you're Putin); it's about honoring your commitments and showing integrity.

And by the way, gold has many uses. That's what is meant by intrinsic value. It is highly attractive and decorative. Furthermore, it is one of the most malleable metals on earth, which means it has many industrial uses--think of the very fine gold wire used in computer manufacture. It is largely chemically inert--meaning it reacts with very few other substances, and only under extreme conditions--so it is ideal for medical applications, such as tooth fillings.
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August 19th, 2016 at 2:37:38 PM permalink
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WTH does this have to do with my deal on candy bars?



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August 19th, 2016 at 2:38:34 PM permalink
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Ha! The full faith of the government, in other words, trust me. And while it's had the full faith of the government, a candy bar that used to cost 15-cents now costs $1.40.

Here's the deal, though, Einstein. There is a finite amount of gold, its scarcity is part of what makes it valueable. If you tie the dollar to gold, (on demand), then the government cannot have a free license to print $20 friggin TRILLION of it and devalue it by doing so. What the government is doing is the same thing a small criminal counterfeiter is doing. No difference. Creating money out of thin air.

God I'm glad I didn't go to school, I might have ended up as brainwashed as you are.



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August 19th, 2016 at 2:48:31 PM permalink
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WARNING. You are in personal insult territory, with the "Einstein " and "brainwashed " pejoratives above. Next infraction will result in suspension. Address the comment, not the person, please. Thank you.




Fair enough. Thank you for the warning. But where were you when I was being called "stupid" and was unable to defend myself against a forum predator? My only option was to cuddle with my cat and cry on the keyboard.
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August 19th, 2016 at 3:18:16 PM permalink
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The only point I disagree with in the OP is that I don't think prices ending in .01, .02, .06, and .07 will round down. Since stores generally set their own prices, I think they'll all round up.



I definitely agree that's what most sellers would do with their prices. But we should look at it more as rounding/price increase rather than just rounding. For something that currently costs $19.97, that three cents increase to $20 represents a few months worth of inflation. For someone who buys that with cash, those three pennies are either a nuisance or a jar filler (or both), not anything of value that is being lost.

The zinc effect is definitely real and probably the reason we still have pennies. Which means the people making the decision to keep the penny are doing what will benefit themselves, not their constituents or the country. Which means the decision is wrong. We should overcome this, by either telling the zinc industry to f-off, use their medals in near equal amounts for dollar coins or simply pay them to not mine zinc, similar to farm subsidies. Given how much money is spent printing these coins, many would be better off and no one would be worse off.
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August 19th, 2016 at 3:22:11 PM permalink
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Quote: bobbartop

...a candy bar that used to cost 15-cents now costs $1.40.

We got 10 for $4.35 recently. You've got to shop around!



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August 19th, 2016 at 3:35:35 PM permalink
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WARNING. You are in personal insult territory, with the "Einstein " and "brainwashed " pejoratives above. Next infraction will result in suspension. Address the comment, not the person, please. Thank you.

So weak on the brainwashing.
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August 19th, 2016 at 3:37:16 PM permalink
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BTB shops at bodegas and gas stations, then complains that the government is forcing him to pay too much for junk food.



The value of gasoline has plummeted since I was a child. I can buy seven gallons of gasoline with the dollar I had in my pocket at age 8. Who'da ever thunk, Gasoline, 14-cents a gallon.
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August 19th, 2016 at 5:23:35 PM permalink
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The value of gasoline has plummeted since I was a child. I can buy seven gallons of gasoline with the dollar I had in my pocket at age 8. Who'da ever thunk, Gasoline, 14-cents a gallon.




Unless you are in your eighties, or grew up in Saudi Arabia, you are mistaken, again.
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August 19th, 2016 at 6:28:42 PM permalink
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Unless you are in your eighties, or grew up in Saudi Arabia, you are mistaken, again.



Put me down for 78-81.
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August 19th, 2016 at 7:26:25 PM permalink
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Unless you are in your eighties, or grew up in Saudi Arabia, you are mistaken, again.



I am not mistaken. Not "again", not even once. You are mistaken when saying that I am mistaken "again". So you are mistaken TWICE. You have a monopoly on mistaken.

I was 8 years old in 1964. With the quarter I had in my pocket that I won playing marbles, I could now buy two gallons of gasoline for my 2016 car. Gasoline is MUCH cheaper.
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August 19th, 2016 at 7:28:18 PM permalink
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Put me down for 78-81.




swing and a miss

streeeeeeiiiiiike!
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August 19th, 2016 at 9:34:53 PM permalink
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I am not mistaken. Not "again", not even once. You are mistaken when saying that I am mistaken "again". So you are mistaken TWICE. You have a monopoly on mistaken.

I was 8 years old in 1964. With the quarter I had in my pocket that I won playing marbles, I could now buy two gallons of gasoline for my 2016 car. Gasoline is MUCH cheaper.




So were you lying in the other thread where you gave you age as being in the forties or are you lying now where you claim you are sixty. In any event, you never saw fourteen cent gasoline.
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August 19th, 2016 at 9:39:56 PM permalink
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Fair enough. Thank you for the warning. But where were you when I was being called "stupid" and was unable to defend myself against a forum predator? My only option was to cuddle with my cat and cry on the keyboard.



When were you, yourself called "stupid" as opposed to some idea you expressed called stupid or (I saw) dumb? I sincerely missed any instances of the former, really dislike but am required to split that hair each time. Have not seen the line crossed in this thread, but a boatload of toe marks riiiight on it.
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August 19th, 2016 at 10:01:12 PM permalink
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So were you lying in the other thread where you gave you age as being in the forties or are you lying now where you claim you are sixty. In any event, you never saw fourteen cent gasoline.




I am personally offended by you calling me a liar. You cannot produce a link to where I said I was 40, because I never said I was 40. Guess what, YOU, are mistaken. lol AGAIN!

I will be waiting for you to produce my claim of being 40, Once you tire of that, then I will be waiting for you to apologize for calling me a liar.

But back to the gasoline, as I said, with the quarter that I had in my pocket at age 8, today I could buy two gallons of gasoline with it. Gas is cheap.
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August 19th, 2016 at 10:12:03 PM permalink
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When were you, yourself called "stupid" as opposed to some idea you expressed called stupid or (I saw) dumb?




I forget. I didn't know it was my job to remember. But I've lived through it. Tears on my pillow, a session with my psychiatrist, a new prescription, two pints of Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream, and I'm ok now. I embrace my stupidity.
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August 19th, 2016 at 10:14:58 PM permalink
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In any event, you never saw fourteen cent gasoline.



Ha! I'm seeing it now.
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