Pitch a bitch. Complain about the Affordable Care Act here, or whatever else is bothering you.
Quote: rdw4potusYep, 70% of the people oppose a government shutdown. And any time the House GOP decides to fund the government without any additional stipulations, the shutdown can end.
...or Obama can negotiate. ;)
No
Just the 2nd floor?
No
Garage?
No
Let's talk about what I can burn down.
No
YOU AREN'T COMPROMISING!
Quote: s2dbakerCan I burn down your house?
No
Just the 2nd floor?
No
Garage?
No
Let's talk about what I can burn down.
No
YOU AREN'T COMPROMISING!
LOL! From a policy standpoint, that's a pretty good analogy. The only issue I have with it is that the demands haven't gotten smaller over time:-)
He has the "bully pulpit"--he can put a lot more emphasis on his positions via the press than the other side can. There would have to be some give and take on various items, but the bottom line is that he could make political hay if he put the Republicans in the position of not passing the budget for just partisan reasons. Obviously, passing a budget is not something he really WANTS to happen because he would have to negotiate.
The funny thing about the whole Affordable Care Act argument is that the President stands on the side of it as a settled law while his administration delays various parts of it. Why would it have been so bad to delay it a year and fix some of the issues in the Act? They delayed it for some folks already...
Quote: Beethoven9thObama had never run anything (other than his mouth).
+2
Just an empty suit
Quote: s2dbakerCan I burn down your house?
No
Just the 2nd floor?
No
Garage?
No
Let's talk about what I can burn down.
No
YOU AREN'T COMPROMISING!
The above is why the USA and Israel should not negotiate with Iran, yet Obama is willing to do that!
Quote: chickenman+2
Just an empty suit
+3
Maybe the guy who loads the teleprompter will be declared "nonessential" and we can get something done?
Quote: s2dbakerCan I burn down your house?
No
Just the 2nd floor?
No
Garage?
No
Let's talk about what I can burn down.
No
YOU AREN'T COMPROMISING!
ExACTly. The whole bunch are an embarassment to the Republican name.
Quote: AZDuffmanI'm surprised he doesn't claim power to shut off the sun based on the fact that sunlight travels through USAF patrolled airspace.
Well I was close!
On a related note, his supporters are finding out it isn't "free."
Quote: AZDuffmanThe above is why the USA and Israel should not negotiate with Iran, yet Obama is willing to do that!Quote: s2dbakerCan I burn down your house?
No
Just the 2nd floor?
No
Garage?
No
Let's talk about what I can burn down.
No
YOU AREN'T COMPROMISING!
LOL...excellent point, AZ!
This guy is such an embarrassment, it's ridiculous. Anyone who will negotiate with America's enemies (but not fellow Americans) is a joke.
To borrow a line from liberals: I guess Obama only wants to be president for some—but not all—of the people!
Oh look, a teleprompter joke. It's funny because Republicans have never use a teleprompter ever.Quote: AZDuffmanMaybe the guy who loads the teleprompter will be declared "nonessential" and we can get something done?
Yet another unmanned area closed. Somehow they have the money for the cones and to put them out to block an area that cost nothing to leave as it was.
And they wonder why we don't want the government's hands on our health care!
I watched 60 minutes last night on the disability fraud going on in the Kentucky and West Virginia border regions with disability where 50-60% of those who apply for disability aren't disabled (disability rates run as high as 20% of all adults in these counties). It's a complete scam. So I decided to look at the electoral map and saw that these counties all voted predominantly for Mitt Romney. So much for the 47%!
And exactly what is the USA negotiating with Iran about? You're getting pissed off over a 15 minute phone call that took place for the first time in 30 years? Or is the far-right Republican view that we should just bomb the crap out of countries that we don't like? How has that worked out so far? Oh my God, Obama, the Kenya-born Muslim terrorist, spoke on the phone for 15 minutes with Iran's new leader, and all of a sudden, Obama's NEGOTIATING? Pure bull shit and rhetoric. It's called diplomacy. Peace is ALWAYS better than war. It's a hellalot cheaper and saves more lives. A 5 day or 10 day negotiation (or even a 3-4 muthat prevents a nuclear Iran is much cheaper and shorter than a three trillion dollar war, or can people not see that logic? Imagine the reaction we'd be seeing on this website when Nixon decided to go to China? Negotiate with the Chinese? Are you MAD?
This is the Obama hissy-fit? He didn't close the government. The GOP did, trying to overturn a law that they passed, was affirmed by the Supreme Court, and was affirmed by the American people when he was re-elected. Obama won't negotiate because more Americans, including non-tea party Republicanss, blame the GOP for the shutdown. Because as much as you want to deflect the issue and say that Obama shut down government, clearly and logically, this is a GOP caused shutdown that makes America and in particular, its far-right Republican base, look like a bunch of fools. Obama knows this.
Quote: boymimboGeez, every single other Western country has their cold dead hands on health care and they're all doing just fine. The reason why ObamaCare won't work is because the entire law, as written, is a comprimising shit bag, but on the whole, it's better than what was existing before.
Just because every other country has socialized their systems is no reason to copy their bad ideas.
Quote:And exactly what is the USA negotiating with Iran about? You're getting pissed off over a 15 minute phone call that took place for the first time in 30 years? Or is the far-right Republican view that we should just bomb the crap out of countries that we don't like?
What is upsetting is he has the time to talk to Iran yet throws his hissy fits and refuses to talk to the other party. As to your bombing comment, it was chicken-hawk Obama who wanted to bomb Syria until Putin got him out of the jam he created.
Quote:This is the Obama hissy-fit? He didn't close the government.
Last I saw the GOP passed a bill to fund national parks and other services, Obama and Reid refuse to move on it.
The government funds the FDA, CDC, Medicare, Medicaid, and countless other programs to promote the health and safety of its citizens. In short, you already have socialized medicine to a degree. ObamaCare extends this. No one was screaming when Bush extended Medicare prescription benefits (Part D), to the tune of $73 billion per year to cover 12 million elderly.
The cost of ObamaCare is $136 billion per year to cover 25 million middle and low-income Amercans. It is absolutely crappy that this is unfunded.
Quote: boymimbo
The cost of ObamaCare is $136 billion per year to cover 25 million middle and low-income Amercans. It is absolutely crappy that this is unfunded.
How much more in taxes do YOU want to pay for this?
Not "corporations."
Not "the rich."
YOU!
?
Quote: boymimboGeez, every single other Western country has their cold dead hands on health care and they're all doing just fine. .
OK - one more time. I called my doctors office on a Thursday AM and had an appt before lunch. He was concerned and ordered up bloodwork and an MRI which was in the same facility and I had it that afternoon before 5PM. He referred me to a specialist and I had an appt the next Tuesday AM. He wanted more info and ordered a CAT SCAN which I had on Wednesday. Had me back in Thursday for tests to confirm the diagnosis and I began treatment Friday. This was several years ago.
I related this story some time ago here and you admitted that I would not receive that level of care in Canada.
Since then, unfortunately, my wife has come down with a condition that will also require routine monitoring by a specialist, medication and care for the rest of her life.
My opposition to socialized medicine has become very personal. I understand your points in wanting everyone to receive the same care. But you are advocating that I accept a lower level of care for me and my family to achieve your goal. I believe it was you that stated you were proud that someone in Canada that makes $1000 per year gets the same care as someone who makes $250,000. I would state it the person who makes $250,000 gets the same level of care as someone who makes $1000 per year.
I know that I will not change your mind and you will not change mine. I sincerely hope that you and your family do not have to face the problems that I have and find out how your health care system really works.
By the way, I am familiar with with the Canadian system. French Canadian on my fathers side. Spent most of my summers on Lake Huron. Raised in Niagara Falls. My mother was the office manager for a dermatoligist. His business was routinely 50% or more Canadian. One sister a nurse and another a hospital administrator.
Quote: timberjimOK - one more time. I called my doctors office on a Thursday AM and had an appt before lunch. He was concerned and ordered up bloodwork and an MRI which was in the same facility and I had it that afternoon before 5PM. He referred me to a specialist and I had an appt the next Tuesday AM. He wanted more info and ordered a CAT SCAN which I had on Wednesday. Had me back in Thursday for tests to confirm the diagnosis and I began treatment Friday. This was several years ago.
I related this story some time ago here and you admitted that I would not receive that level of care in Canada.
No, but you could get it for your dog!
On another note, I hope all is well with your wife and that "routine <> serious."
They just want Americans to be in the same boat that they are in. They're also embarrassed by how so many Canadians go to the U.S. so often for medical care.Quote: Beethoven9thWhy can't Canada send some money down here to help with Obamacare's costs?
The other thing is that uninsured people don't go to doctors offices for preventation because it's too expensive. They show up at the hospital already incredibly ill because they had diabetes gone out of control, or a heart condition, or something else that could've been prevented with routine care that my health insurance coverage provides to everyone. The uninsured meanwhile get the county hospital "coverage" in that they declare bankruptcy which ruins their lives and the costs of health care go up for everyone because the hospital has to recoup their costs from those who are insured, effectively driving up costs for everyone.
A better system is to give everyone low cost or free preventative care. And that's the difference when you are uninsured. You won't go to the doctor's office on Thursday AM because you don't have the money. You certainly don't have the money for the bloodwork and the MRI adn the CT Scan and the specialist appointment. Rather, you wait until your condition is bad enough to show up in hospital (because you have to, otherwise you die) and then end up with the $100,000 bill that you can't pay for. You declare medical bankruptcy and you're on the street. That $100,000 bill could have been controlled with $100 in medication and $1,000 in preventative care.
I have a problem with a system that is the most expensive in the world and can't provide basic care to 1/6th of its population. There's something wrong with that.
Quote: timberjimThanks AZ. Serious if we do not take proper medication and follow the proper diets. My wife has Rheumatoid Arthritis (they think hereditary) and I have Mineres Disease (they don't know what causes it). I actually feel better than I have in years and my wife has responded well. We feel very fortunate when we see the problems other people have to deal with.
And timberjim, if your employer decided that you took too many sick days and fired you because of your Mineres disease or you worked for a small business and didn't have coverage, how would you feel about (1) finding a health insurance that would have covered your wife's and your's preexisting conditions should you lose the job? (2) paying for all of your medications and treatments out of pocket?
What if your wife was single? What would her predicament have been without health insurance? RA is a terrible disease. It's very difficult to work when you have it. Consider yourself very lucky that you have health insurance, because there are hundreds of thousands of Americans with RA that don't have health insurance and are completely screwed.
Quote: boymimbo
A better system is to give everyone low cost or free preventative care.
So doctors, nurses, and lab techs are going to work for nothing in a building someone donated and with utilities at no cost? Right down to the janitor everyone will work free? How do you expect that to happen? Last business I managed the guy who worked for free always called off work sick.
Quote:I have a problem with a system that is the most expensive in the world and can't provide basic care to 1/6th of its population. There's something wrong with that.
Health CARE is there. People choose to spend on items other than health INSURANCE. Please learn the difference.
Quote: SanchoPanzaThey just want Americans to be in the same boat that they are in. They're also embarrassed by how so many Canadians go to the U.S. so often for medical care.
+1
1. Many Canadian doctors try to come and practice in the US, likely because of the chance for a better income. When I interviewed 10 canadian doctors for 2 spots, do you think we took the two worst doctors? Or the two best? So which 8 are left in Canada?
2. Canadian specialists are limited in what they can earn in a year. Once they hit that number, they shut down. It is stunning how many cases we had transferred over the border to us in November and December for sometimes life-threatening events, due to specialists being on vacation in Florida. I visited a friend in Long Boat Key one December, and he introduced me to the large contingent of Canadian doctors at his apartmrnt complex pool!
3. Wealthy Canadians who did not want the months of waiting for kidney stone lithotripsies would come to my hospital to pay cash. I've been told that the wait for non emergent care like knee replacement far exceeds the wait in the US.
As I think I've said before, I am not inherently opposed to a single payer system like Canada. I just want the politicians to be honest about the costs. Just tell me taxes will have to go up 10%, or whatever, and say its good for the country, and do it! The sham about starting a huge program and not having any plan to pay for it is what irks me the most.
I give another example.... breast cancer... If you ask anyone, any group, any politician, any voter, should we increase funding for screening for breast cancer, they will all say yes. When you ask what tax should be raised for this, you get silence. When you ask what other program should be cut, you get silence.
There are plenty of Canadian doctors, excellent ones, who do not apply for your job in the US. Don't just assume that every Canadian medical professional is looking for a job in the USA. I could make alot more money working in the USA as well, but I choose to live on the Canadian side of the border because the overall quality of life is better, in my opinion.
It is absolutely true that there are waiting lists in Canada based on priority and THAT is the cost of having socialized medicine in Canada. But our quality of life indicators are not worse at all than what's in the States. In Canada, people wait for a hip replacement and their quality of life is reduced while waiting where as in the States, Medicare (aka the Government) covers 64% of all hip replacement costs (at a cost of about about $30K/pop) but the procedures are at least fast. In Canada the same surgery costs the government about $14K all in because it's non-profit and the cost of labor is cheaper). Now take the difference of about $16K and multiply that by the 800,000 people who get knee/hip replacement surgery every year and you'll see that's $13 billion dollars in cost difference ($8 billion UNFUNDED medicare dollars) that is being absorbed by profits and more expensive care. The surgery is the same. The quality of care is the same. The surgeon makes $208K/year in Canada while the same surgeon makes $440K in the USA (after expenses).
And it is absoultely true that the rich travel to get care faster, just as the middle class in America travel to other countries to get their care faster at a much cheaper cost. It's a market, and people who have the money and time will game the system. I don't see a problem with this. People travel all of the time to get care if they can afford it.
The only way that SSI, Medicaid, and ObamaCare can be paid for is by increasing revenue and reducing costs. Increasing revenue the GOP way only can be achieved through growth. Raising taxes is not a popular option and will not occur, so the USA will keep on increasing its debt as a % of GDP.
Quote: boymimboAnd timberjim, if your employer decided that you took too many sick days and fired you because of your Mineres disease or you worked for a small business and didn't have coverage, how would you feel about (1) finding a health insurance that would have covered your wife's and your's preexisting conditions should you lose the job? (2) paying for all of your medications and treatments out of pocket?
What if your wife was single? What would her predicament have been without health insurance? RA is a terrible disease. It's very difficult to work when you have it. Consider yourself very lucky that you have health insurance, because there are hundreds of thousands of Americans with RA that don't have health insurance and are completely screwed.
WHAT IF? WHAT IF? WHAT IF?
Is this the best you have?
I am not LUCKY to have insurance. We made choices and quality health care has always been a priority. This is called personal responsibility.
Please document a short list of these "hundreds of thousands" of people who do not receive care and have exhausted all the possibilities available to them, up to and including Medicaid.
I wonder what it is like to go through life so incredibly intelligent that I would know what is best for hundreds of millions of people in a country that I don't live in?
Is that what he has done in this case? No. He has delayed parts of the law and enforced other parts. Please don't bother with the "we just couldn't get it all done in time" crap--you wrote the damned bill in the middle of the night, passed it without knowing what was in it, told us it was fantastic, got re-elected with it as your key accomplishment--OWN IT!! If there was no way to implement things, submit a new timeline to Congress for a vote and make that a part of the law. I can't tell you if what he is doing with the delays is illegal, impeachable, or anything like that...but I can tell you it is wrong. It is as if speeding is illegal for half of the people traveling above the speed limit on I-95 but not for the other half...
I know...some of you will say the President does have "proper authority" to do these things. Okay. Let each President grab more and more power with signing statements, executive orders, and other means of circumventing Congress. He's not the first to do it, of course. If _____ did it, why shouldn't he? Well, because just doing wrong after someone else did wrong is not the way things should be done. The position is President, not King. Don't ignore what he's doing while reminding everyone what others did (and vice versa). Call those things wrong when either side does them!!
1. ambulatory patient services
2. emergency services
3. hospitalization
4. maternity and newborn care
5. mental health and substance use disorder services (including behavioral health treatment)
6. prescription drugs
7. rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices
8. laboratory services
9. preventive and wellness services
10. chronic disease management
11. pediatric services, including oral and vision care.
I have zero need for #4, minimal interest in #5, no interest in #9, and zero need for #11. #6 I would prefer to handle with an HSA, some sort of buying plan (Walgreens has one) and catastrophic coverage. So I am forced to buy 1/3 more than I have any interest in.
It is as if I was at Wynn, looking for breakfast.
"I'd like a coffee and danish please."
"Sure, it is on the buffet which is $21.95, all you can eat and 6 live-action stations."
"I really don't want all that, not very hungry, I just want a coffee and danish."
"Sorry, you have to get the buffet, by the way if you don't get the buffet you have to pay $15."
"Why do I have to pay $15?"
"It is a fine for not eating, you might get hungry later if you don't eat."
"But I don't want to have an entire buffet, all I want is a coffee and danish!"
"Well just get the buffet and only take the coffee and danish."
"But that is $21.95!"
"Sorry, but it is for your own good. What if you get hungry later?"
"I'll just buy a sandwich somewhere"
"But what if you do not have the money for a sandwich then?"
"I have money in my pocket, the bank, and have several major credit cards."
"You really should have the buffet, sir, for your own good. Or just pay the fine."
"FORGET IT!"
Later that day the Steelers lose enough that I win my "season under" bet and go to collect the $100 I have coming.
"Hey, there is only $85 here? After the vig I get $100!"
"Sorry, sir, it is the fine you have to pay for not eating at our buffet."
Just last week an eminent neurologist who is treating a family member told us that he would retire shortly because the U.S. system is so radically changing. He said he left the total state control of medicine in India 32 years ago because of the strong lure exerted by the U.S. with its freedom to practice. Other countries like Argentina have actually refused to let physicians come to the U.S. they, too, fear the loss of talented and skilled caregivers. But that is changing, too.Quote: SOOPOOJ1. Many Canadian doctors try to come and practice in the US, likely because of the chance for a better income. When I interviewed 10 canadian doctors for 2 spots, do you think we took the two worst doctors? Or the two best? So which 8 are left in Canada?
2. Canadian specialists are limited in what they can earn in a year. Once they hit that number, they shut down. It is stunning how many cases we had transferred over the border to us in November and December for sometimes life-threatening events, due to specialists being on vacation in Florida. I visited a friend in Long Boat Key one December, and he introduced me to the large contingent of Canadian doctors at his apartmrnt complex pool!
3. Wealthy Canadians who did not want the months of waiting for kidney stone lithotripsies would come to my hospital to pay cash. I've been told that the wait for non emergent care like knee replacement far exceeds the wait in the US.
Quote: SanchoPanzaJust last week an eminent neurologist who is treating a family member told us that he would retire shortly because the U.S. system is so radically changing. He said he left the total state control of medicine in India 32 years ago because of the strong lure exerted by the U.S. with its freedom to practice. Other countries like Argentina have actually refused to let physicians come to the U.S. they, too, fear the loss of talented and skilled caregivers. But that is changing, too.
The USA has not produced enough doctors since forever. When both the financial and freedom incentives go away we will have major shortages. Already rural areas are short.
Quote: boymimboIt's like car insurance laws in certain states where you are forced to buy a minimum liability.
No, it's not. You can avoid buying car insurance by choosing not to own a car, while you can only avoid Obamacare by choosing not to live.
Quote: Beethoven9thNo, it's not. You can avoid buying car insurance by choosing not to own a car. You cannot avoid Obamacare unless you kill yourself.
?? I am avoiding obamacare. Healthy, I am a bicycle commuter. Have good Health Insurance through my company(its a huge company, one of the 30 listed on the Dow). Just got a letter from my company that they suggest I stay with my current policy, better coverage and cheaper then Obamacare. Nothing has changed for me.
Quote: terapined?? I am avoiding obamacare.
Try cancelling your health insurance.
You may cancel your car insurance at any time, and you're fine as long as you don't drive. But if you cancel your health insurance, you are subject to a penalty (thanks to Obamacare).
Quote: Beethoven9thTry cancelling your health insurance.
You may cancel your car insurance at any time, and you're fine as long as you don't drive. But if you cancel your health insurance, you are subject to a penalty (thanks to Obamacare).
??? Are you insane, cancel my health insurance? Are you crazy? Why would I cancel my health insurance? Whats next, will be in Vegas in 3 1/2 weeks, should I cancel my trip as well? No Way Hosea (or is it Jose) LOL
Quote: Beethoven9thNo, it's not. You can avoid buying car insurance by choosing not to own a car, while you can only avoid Obamacare by choosing not to live.
Am I missing something? I thought everyone could choose to buy their own healthcare policy on the open market to avoid having to buy one through Obamacare exchanges.
Quote: boymimboAZ, I agree that ObamaCare is not ideal and I like your analogy. That said, closing down the government is not the solution. The law was flawed from the start. The reason why everything is on the list is to divide the cost up among everyone. It's like car insurance laws in certain states where you are forced to buy a minimum liability. You're forced to do that to subsidize the bad drivers. In health insurance, you're forced to buy coverage that you'll probably not need.
Not a good analogy at all. Not sure why Obamacare fans cannot grasp how insurance works.
I am forced to buy liability insurance so if I am at fault in an accident and I get sued the other person, not necessarily a driver, can recover damages. It is long settled that driving a vehicle is a privilege, not a right. To access this right the person and vehicle must be licensed, to get the license the vehicle must be covered by liability insurance. This is the state's way of assuring everyone they can be made whole in the event of an accident. Of course sometimes damages go above the insured amount, then personal liability gets involved, but that is another issue.
Bad drivers are not "subsidized." Bad drivers pay more than good drivers, sometimes by many multiples. Males can pay more than females and younger more than old all based on "risk pools." If your driving is bad enough most carriers will not cover you and you go into the "assigned risk" pool where you really pay. Being a safe driver I pay less for full coverage now than I did for liability alone in 1992. That is nominal, not inflation-adjusted dollars.
If we wanted to lower health insurance costs we would allow policies to be built menu-style. You want pediatric coverage, you buy it. You want maternity coverage, you can buy that, too. You want substance-abuse coverage, here's the price. OTOH if you want to be covered just if the worst happens and will cover the smaller things yourself then here is the price for that.
Sadly, shutting the government down seems to be the only way to get Obama's attention.
Quote: DRichAm I missing something? I thought everyone could choose to buy their own healthcare policy on the open market to avoid having to buy one through Obamacare exchanges.
You are missing something. You have to buy a policy that "meets guidelines" as outlined in my post above. On an exchange, through your employer, or any other group. But you have to have all of those coverages want them or not.
Quote: AlanI'd go for a la carte. I would love that for my cable too.
9 months without cable, few complaints! a la carte cable one of few things I like about McCain.
Quote: terapined??? Are you insane, cancel my health insurance? Are you crazy? Why would I cancel my health insurance? Whats next, will be in Vegas in 3 1/2 weeks, should I cancel my trip as well? No Way Hosea (or is it Jose) LOL
Thanks for avoiding the question. ;)
If you (or anyone else) ever chooses to go without health insurance, then you will have to pay a hefty fine under Obamacare.
Quote: DRichAm I missing something? I thought everyone could choose to buy their own healthcare policy on the open market to avoid having to buy one through Obamacare exchanges.
Yes. If you choose to buy no health insurance, then you will be fined under Obamacare. The fine is small the first year, but then it goes up dramatically each year thereafter.
Quote: Beethoven9th
Yes, if you choose to buy no health insurance, then you will be fined under Obamacare.
My friend found out yesterday that under Obamacare
his years premiums are going from $4500 to just under
$10,000. He has 100% coverage now and only 80%
under OC. He's fit to be tied, paying twice as much
for less insurance? He's not having it, he'll pay the
fines if it comes to that and let them sue him if they
want. Gee, why do I think he won't be the only citizen
to feel this way.
Quote: AZDuffmanYou are missing something. You have to buy a policy that "meets guidelines" as outlined in my post above. On an exchange, through your employer, or any other group. But you have to have all of those coverages want them or not.
Isn't this essentially the same for Medi-coverage, Veterans coverage? Pooling insurance costs between larger groups is part of the whole idea.
Younger people need even less than all the old farts. But many of them will be old farts one day too.
Quote: EvenBobMy friend found out yesterday that under Obamacare
his years premiums are going from $4500 to just under
$10,000.
Just out of curiosity, did he vote for Obama? I hate to sound like a hard ass, but I have no sympathy for Obama voters who are now b*tching about Obamacare.
I recently saw a story about a woman who proudly voted for Obama, yet she's now whining because she will pay more money for health insurance because of Obamacare. And I had to laugh when she said, "Of course, I want people to have health care. I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."
LOL!! What an idiot!
And this woman has no excuse—she's 60 years old. Idiots like her prove that 'Age ≠ Wisdom'.
Here's the story: http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_24248486/obamacares-winners-and-losers-bay-area
Quote: rxwineIsn't this essentially the same for Medi-coverage, Veterans coverage? Pooling insurance costs between larger groups is part of the whole idea.
Younger people need even less than all the old farts. But many of them will be old farts one day too.
Groups do get "pooled" all of the time, but why should I have to buy pediatric coverage with no kids and no intentions of having any? Why should *any* male pay for maternity coverage?
"Your collision coverage for the year is $500."
"But I don't even own a car?"
"Yes, but why should we punish those who do?"
Quote: Beethoven9th
I recently saw a story about a woman who proudly voted for Obama, yet she's now whining because she will pay more money for health insurance because of Obamacare. And I had to laugh when she said, "Of course, I want people to have health care. I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."
I saw that. Who did they think was going to pay
for 'free' health care, Santa? Who do they think
paid for the 'free' lunches bars had in 1900?
All things are paid for by somebody, but if it's not
them, people don't care.
