Zero chance to win bet
April 2nd, 2013 at 6:45:18 PM
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I am wondering what people think of a gambling bet offered by a casino with absolutely zero chance to win anything. Not just a bad bet but one bet you can only lose like 10% or more each time the bet is made no possibilities of a win. Example player wagers $200 and gets back $170 always. Basically you give them $200 and they hand you back $170
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 2nd, 2013 at 6:46:51 PM
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That's not gambling, that a minor form of russian roulette.
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April 2nd, 2013 at 6:46:57 PM
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LOL I can't imagine a wager like that and I can't imagine anyone placing it if there was. I'm sure you've got some sort of angle here, so you got a fish on the hook... now real me in.
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April 2nd, 2013 at 6:50:17 PM
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This happens in casinos every day by people who, for some reason, bet pass and don't pass for the same amount, or red and black in roulette. They might be doing it for comps, but the fact remains they cannot win and can only lose.
April 2nd, 2013 at 6:58:19 PM
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ABSOLUTELY NO ANGLES and its not a table game I would really like to hear opinions on whether or not this should be allowed or even offered.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 2nd, 2013 at 7:45:12 PM
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No one at all would play this, unless they were in it for comps of some sort. Allow it, sure, but why would anyone offer it?
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
April 2nd, 2013 at 8:01:07 PM
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A gambling game needs three elements: consideration, chance, and prize. If consideration is $200 and prize is always $170, there's no element of chance.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
April 2nd, 2013 at 8:03:52 PM
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I think any bet made on a slot or video poker game should at least allow the player a chance to win sometimes... even if its 1 in a million times you win $1. even in roulette betting red and black you have a chance to break even. The fact that a casino offers a bet that you can only lose is upsetting. The casinos should just offer a heads I win tails you lose game.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 2nd, 2013 at 8:05:41 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI think any bet made on a slot or video poker game should at least allow the player a chance to win sometimes... even if its 1 in a million times you win $1. even in roulette betting red and black you have a chance to break even. The fact that a casino offers a bet that you can only lose is upsetting. The casinos should just offer a heads I win tails you lose game.
I'm not aware of any single bet you can make that can never win. You used roulette as an example, and of course if you cover all 38 numbers in roulette with $1 each you're guaranteed to lose $2, but that's 38 mutually exclusive bets, not one. What game can never win?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
April 2nd, 2013 at 8:10:04 PM
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There are some "grey" machines in Ohio where you gamble cash, but officially only win gas station gift cards. I like it because you can never lose whole BR and can always use gas. Technically it's 0% payback, but the gas cards are negotiable for cash, so maybe a moot point. This is also not offered in a casino, so moot again.
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April 2nd, 2013 at 9:06:27 PM
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It is not a table game. its under the slot/video poker categories and the game offers bets that can win or lose however 1 bet you get crushed on and lose no matter what no chance to win or break even you just lose.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 2nd, 2013 at 9:25:46 PM
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Are you actually going to tell us what game this is?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
April 2nd, 2013 at 9:31:30 PM
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Yes I just wanted to wait for more comments to see if I'm way off base thinking a reputable place should absolutely not be offering a bet like this.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 2nd, 2013 at 9:36:33 PM
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I get the definite feeling there's some extenuating circumstance you're not showing us, like you're talking about the ATM or something.
Frankly, though, if it is as bad as you're making it sound, I don't think it's disreputable at all. Anyone stupid enough to take a bet like that, the casino will put their money to better use than they could.
Frankly, though, if it is as bad as you're making it sound, I don't think it's disreputable at all. Anyone stupid enough to take a bet like that, the casino will put their money to better use than they could.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
April 2nd, 2013 at 9:41:06 PM
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I assured you already its a legit game a slot, its not a trick or riddle.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 4th, 2013 at 10:02:55 AM
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I get the feeling you merely got burned by a slot machine. All those multi line bets tend to lead to "wins" that don't cover the original bet. In my experience slots just bleed you like that with the occasional big win.
April 5th, 2013 at 4:10:45 AM
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Your on the right track, however the bet has zero chances to win more or = to your original bet. What you're saying you could occasionally win more if you get lucky. No chance to get lucky on this bet its absolutely impossible excluding a mistake. I Just think that no bet should be allowed that they authenticity just take a significant percent and hand you back a guaranteed loss each and every time i'm not talking 1 or 2 percent I'm talking 10% .
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 5th, 2013 at 7:14:24 AM
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Quote: sodawaterThis happens in casinos every day by people who, for some reason, bet pass and don't pass for the same amount, or red and black in roulette. They might be doing it for comps, but the fact remains they cannot win and can only lose.
Bad example. The reason players bet both pass and don't pass is because they want the option of where to be their odds. You're right, there is no reason to make just doey-dont flat bets, but when the point is established you have your option about where to bet the odds.
But I have a better example for you to consider: penny slots.
edited to add: I think that in Nevada, for example, slots must return a minimum of 75%.
April 5th, 2013 at 4:08:49 PM
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Penny slots? How are penny slots an example? Those often have progressives in the thousands, or top prizes in the hundreds. Slots are always a bad bet, and penny slots especially, but it's nothing like what we're talking about.
So what are you waiting for? You wouldn't be putting it off this long if there really weren't some angle, which I expect you'll vociferously defend as "not an angle" when you finally get around to it.
Quote: AxelWolfYour on the right track, however the bet has zero chances to win more or = to your original bet. What you're saying you could occasionally win more if you get lucky. No chance to get lucky on this bet its absolutely impossible excluding a mistake. I Just think that no bet should be allowed that they authenticity just take a significant percent and hand you back a guaranteed loss each and every time i'm not talking 1 or 2 percent I'm talking 10% .
So what are you waiting for? You wouldn't be putting it off this long if there really weren't some angle, which I expect you'll vociferously defend as "not an angle" when you finally get around to it.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
April 5th, 2013 at 4:52:17 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI think that in Nevada, for example, slots must return a minimum of 75%.
Yes, and in Jan. 2013 penny slots on the Strip returned 86.13% (the lowest I have ever seen), but this isn't an example of a bet that always loses you money. The key word is ALWAYS.
April 5th, 2013 at 6:04:57 PM
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Change machine??
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April 5th, 2013 at 6:06:16 PM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleChange machine??
Youre not supposed to lose on the change machine either. But it occasionally happens with malfunctions I guess...lol
April 5th, 2013 at 6:10:05 PM
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Another guess are the Chinese casinos where gamblers bet cash, but can only claim winnings for prizes. It's pretty much a glorified Chuck E Cheese on steroids.
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April 5th, 2013 at 6:35:13 PM
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I like pop machines with a positive expectation. There was this pop machine at my work that would dispense two for $.50 if you hit the button twice.
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April 5th, 2013 at 6:46:19 PM
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Is it the ATMs because of the high fees?
April 5th, 2013 at 6:51:07 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI assured you already its a legit game a slot, its not a trick or riddle.
Does the player know in advance that he can't get back at least as much as he bet?
I am assuming there's no "gimmick" involved other than the players' inability to notice that the maximum payout amount is less than what it costs to play - for example, it's not a "high roller" machine that requires $1000 to play and has two outcomes, lose and $1200 (which becomes "less than $1000" because they cut a W-2G on it).
April 5th, 2013 at 6:53:54 PM
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Can I buy a vowel??
April 5th, 2013 at 10:16:09 PM
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As I said I was really asking what people thought about a bet offered like that. I wanted opinions on that part. I't has nothing to do with W2G's and it's NO ANGLE. Its not a malfunction the bet is designed that way. One can could calculate that its a guaranteed loss after reading and understanding the rules and payouts then doing some addition. The average person probably would not be able to or take the time however one would assume its money back or a loss and most likely know you cant win. Its just the 10% GUARANTEED loss each time I'm amazed about. A rush of curiosity killed this cat....-%10 DOH!
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 5th, 2013 at 10:45:24 PM
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Jeez, just tell us already. We apparently can't guess what kind of worthless "gambling" game this is.
April 5th, 2013 at 11:50:14 PM
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Is it one of those promo machines where you stand in line, the operator hands you a token "worth" $1, and you play a single spin of a game with a screwy paytable?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
April 6th, 2013 at 9:30:19 AM
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Ok spill it or else you're pulling off an April Fools joke a day late or 364 days early.
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April 6th, 2013 at 1:57:28 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfAs I said I was really asking what people thought about a bet offered like that. I wanted opinions on that part. I't has nothing to do with W2G's and it's NO ANGLE.
You must be able to see why none of us are believing you. Typically this device of trying to get others' opinions with partial information concealed is to get someone to agree to something they wouldn't normally agree to, to try to pick apart their reasons for not agreeing. The fact that you've stretched it out this long, long after all that can be said sight unseen has been said, is difficult to see any other way.
Quote: AxelWolfThe average person probably would not be able to or take the time however one would assume its money back or a loss and most likely know you cant win. Its just the 10% GUARANTEED loss each time I'm amazed about. A rush of curiosity killed this cat....-%10 DOH!
That is interesting, and I would be very interested to hear how it is being implemented. Especially if by "slot" you really do mean slot, rather than some virtual game.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
April 6th, 2013 at 3:41:40 PM
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Close this dumb thread I say!
April 6th, 2013 at 4:35:39 PM
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When is a door not a door?
April 6th, 2013 at 4:35:56 PM
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Okay, here's a definitive answer: If I can only lose, I would not make the bet.
So what is the bet?
I gave you a definitive answer, now it's your turn.
So what is the bet?
I gave you a definitive answer, now it's your turn.
April 6th, 2013 at 5:13:03 PM
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Quote: FinsRuleWhen is a door not a door?
When it is a blue pill
April 6th, 2013 at 8:38:19 PM
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Quote: FinsRuleWhen is a door not a door?
When it's neither blocking nor allowing entry into a room?
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April 7th, 2013 at 2:42:07 AM
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No doubt no one would normally want to make that bet. I'm sure Under proper conditions it would be a smart bet. I really wanted more of a ethical debate on having such a bet. I wanted to know what the more influential people thought. Perhaps I'm wrong for thinking its predatory. I was hoping people like wizard would chime in.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 7th, 2013 at 10:15:13 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfNo doubt no one would normally want to make that bet. I'm sure Under proper conditions it would be a smart bet. I really wanted more of a ethical debate on having such a bet. I wanted to know what the more influential people thought. Perhaps I'm wrong for thinking its predatory. I was hoping people like wizard would chime in.
And if you tell us things like...
(a) the name of this game;
(b) where you saw it;
(c) what it costs to play, and what is the most that it pays out
then maybe Wizard just might.
Quote: AxelWolfYes I just wanted to wait for more comments to see if I'm way off base thinking a reputable place should absolutely not be offering a bet like this.Quote: MathExtremistAre you actually going to tell us what game this is?
April 7th, 2013 at 10:31:54 AM
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Quote: FinsRuleWhen is a door not a door?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
April 7th, 2013 at 3:07:42 PM
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How about if you bet every number in roulette, you will lose everytime.
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