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August 17th, 2014 at 5:29:10 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I spent less then 40 min playing recently, won about 1k and got steak dinners for me Djatc, My GF and and another person. and I was offered rooms on top of it.



Sigh. That's in VEGAS! You can't get squat in
an Indian casino at table games unless you
play and play and play. And even then it's
a crappy buffet. They give all the rooms to
slot players, who cares. If my wife gets a
room offer I'll stay there maybe twice a year.
I hate hotels, I love my own bed.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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August 17th, 2014 at 5:34:10 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Sigh. That's in VEGAS! You can't get squat in
an Indian casino at table games unless you
play and play and play. And even then it's
a crappy buffet. They give all the rooms to
slot players, who cares. If my wife gets a
room offer I'll stay there maybe twice a year.
I hate hotels, I love my own bed.

NOT VEGAS
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 17th, 2014 at 5:49:01 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

NOT VEGAS



I give up. I can't counter anything you make
up as we go along. For you, Indian casinos
are extremely generous. Lucky you.

But that's NOT the reason I don't get a card.
I won't be a part of their system, I won't be
a comp hoarder. I don't cut coupons, I don't
go to dollar stores, and I don't play for comps.
I'm not a bottomfeeder who feels happy
when the casino 'gives' me something. I'm
there for their money, I get it, and I leave.
I don't need or want their comps too, it makes
me feel yuk about myself. I'm sure that's
impossible for you to understand.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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August 17th, 2014 at 6:48:11 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I give up. I can't counter anything you make
up as we go along. For you, Indian casinos
are extremely generous. Lucky you.

But that's NOT the reason I don't get a card.
I won't be a part of their system, I won't be
a comp hoarder. I don't cut coupons, I don't
go to dollar stores, and I don't play for comps.
I'm not a bottomfeeder who feels happy
when the casino 'gives' me something. I'm
there for their money, I get it, and I leave.
I don't need or want their comps too, it makes
me feel yuk about myself. I'm sure that's
impossible for you to understand.

I can back up anything I say with proof and whiteness. So don't say i'm making stuff up as we go a along, unless you are willing to put your money were your mouth is. Simply put your money were you mouth is, I will I will bring fourth the evidence and let a 3rd party decide.

I have already shared some of this information with a few people not in my camp. Not sure if they have made all of the play as of yet.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 17th, 2014 at 8:18:27 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I can back up anything I say with proof and whiteness.



Why bring your race into this, it's not relevant.
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August 17th, 2014 at 8:19:14 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

My biggest pet peeve is people asking, "How are we doing today?" as though I am qualified to answer for both of us.



I've responded to that the using "We? Is there a cricket on my shoulder or something?".
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September 13th, 2014 at 3:35:42 AM permalink
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September 13th, 2014 at 3:50:30 AM permalink
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4/5 neighbors give their lawns buzz cuts and also fertilize and poison. I like to keep the grass higher because it helps keep it healthy, watered and fights weeds itself, and I'm the idiot. You should never cut the grass so short.



I'm with you. I don't want it to look like a golf green. 5 inches out front, 6 inches out back. Healthier because the roots go deeper; some people consider us nuts though.

Even nuttier, I mow around patches of clover and any wildflowers. My wife loves it [thankfully]
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September 13th, 2014 at 5:29:57 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob


I'm there for their money, I get it, and I leave..... I'm sure that's impossible for you to understand.



Mhmmm. You said it, not me.
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:03:55 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I give up. I can't counter anything you make
up as we go along. For you, Indian casinos
are extremely generous. Lucky you.

But that's NOT the reason I don't get a card.
I won't be a part of their system, I won't be
a comp hoarder. I don't cut coupons, I don't
go to dollar stores, and I don't play for comps.
I'm not a bottomfeeder who feels happy
when the casino 'gives' me something. I'm
there for their money, I get it, and I leave.
I don't need or want their comps too, it makes
me feel yuk about myself. I'm sure that's
impossible for you to understand.



Bob, I COULD NOT agree with you more. To elicit great cheer over a "steak" dinner and/or a room for the night is low class. Many so-called AP's factor free food and free jackets and other useless tchotchkes to their bottom line. Such small perks are incidentals that I gladly decline. I would never wear a jacket with a casino's name emblazoned on it. Trash, pure and simple. Proof and whiteness and trash is the simplest of equations to calculate...proof of white trashness.
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:11:28 PM permalink
Quote: MaxSwelle

Bob, I COULD NOT agree with you more. To elicit great cheer over a "steak" dinner and/or a room for the night is low class. Many so-called AP's factor free food and free jackets and other useless tchotchkes to their bottom line. Such small perks are incidentals that I gladly decline. I would never wear a jacket with a casino's name emblazoned on it. Trash, pure and simple. Proof and whiteness and trash is the simplest of equations to calculate...proof of white trashness.



I agree with you on the jacket, but how about tens of thousands of dollars in freeplay? You don't like that either?
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:17:20 PM permalink
Why get freeplay when you have your own cash to cover it?
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:23:12 PM permalink
Quote: wudged

Why get freeplay when you have your own cash to cover it?



???
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:23:53 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I agree with you on the jacket, but how about tens of thousands of dollars in freeplay? You don't like that either?



I prefer not to be voluntarily "tracked", ever. I don't provide my name, or other info, to retailers, casinos or grocery stores. I would never have a Von's card dangling off of my keychain or in my wallet, for example. If I'm being measured by some facial recognition software, then it's out of my control-short of living life as a agoraphobe, I wouldn't have a choice anyway. Sure, I'm missing out on all of the free stuff, but principle, pride and privacy seem to point my compass in this regard.
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:24:12 PM permalink
Quote: MaxSwelle

Bob, I COULD NOT agree with you more. To elicit great cheer over a "steak" dinner and/or a room for the night is low class. Many so-called AP's factor free food and free jackets and other useless tchotchkes to their bottom line. .



People concentrate more on the stupid
comps than on how to play a decent
game, which is exactly what the casino
wants them to do. If you don't have a
players card, which I do not, the pit is
immediately suspicious of you. Not that
you might be an AP, but there has to be
something wrong with you. When I ask
what a card gets me for playing roulette,
they admit 'not much', and they leave me
alone.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:25:23 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

???



forgot my </sarcasm>
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:28:08 PM permalink
Quote: MaxSwelle

I prefer not to be voluntarily "tracked", ever. I don't provide my name, or other info, to retailers, casinos or grocery stores. I would never have a Von's card dangling off of my keychain or in my wallet, for example. If I'm being measured by some facial recognition software, then it's out of my control-short of living life as a agoraphobe, I wouldn't have a choice anyway. Sure, I'm missing out on all of the free stuff, but principle, pride and privacy seem to point my compass in this regard.



I like money
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:28:20 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I agree with you on the jacket, but how about tens of thousands of dollars in freeplay? You don't like that either?



What qualifies a player for tens of thousands of dollars in free play...and how long before he/she would be eligible?
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:29:46 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I like money



You don't love it? I'd say that you love money.
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:33:02 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

People concentrate more on the stupid
comps than on how to play a decent
game, which is exactly what the casino
wants them to do. If you don't have a
players card, which I do not, the pit is
immediately suspicious of you. Not that
you might be an AP, but there has to be
something wrong with you. When I ask
what a card gets me for playing roulette,
they admit 'not much', and they leave me
alone.



It's reminiscent of the people that will drive across town because they heard that gas is $.02 cheaper per gallon.
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:40:45 PM permalink
Quote: MaxSwelle

What qualifies a player for tens of thousands of dollars in free play...and how long before he/she would be eligible?



I get invited to a lot of tournaments. Those often have large prizes, in freeplay or promotional chips, depending on whether it's a slot tournament or table games tournament. I'm talking about 10s or 100s of thousands for first place. I usually won't go if my EV is not at least $1000 for the tournament. I am going to one soon where my EV is about $4000 (after I subtract the EV for the play I will put in while I am there). That is $4000 in EV for a weekend, plus a free suite, food, drinks, limo service, etc, etc.

You won't get any of this if you don't have a card. The casino is willing you give you A LOT for your play. Turning this down is crazy. It really is free money.
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:54:07 PM permalink
Quote: MaxSwelle

It's reminiscent of the people that will drive across town because they heard that gas is $.02 cheaper per gallon.



That was my uncle in the 60's. It's where
I learned to be repulsed by cheapness. He
would go 10 miles out of his way to pay
a penny a gallon less for gas. He would drive
to the next county to get a Xmas tree for
$1 instead of paying $1.50 for a local one.
He would waste a buck to save 50 cents.
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September 15th, 2014 at 1:58:56 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

The casino is willing you give you A LOT for your play. Turning this down is crazy. It really is free money.



So you think casinos give stuff away for
free. You think there really is a free lunch.
You believe the casino has a business model
that includes lots of freebies. You and my
wife would get along great. She thinks she
gets free rooms because they really like her.
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:00:46 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I get invited to a lot of tournaments. Those often have large prizes, in freeplay or promotional chips, depending on whether it's a slot tournament or table games tournament. I'm talking about 10s or 100s of thousands for first place. I usually won't go if my EV is not at least $1000 for the tournament. I am going to one soon where my EV is about $4000 (after I subtract the EV for the play I will put in while I am there). That is $4000 in EV for a weekend, plus a free suite, food, drinks, limo service, etc, etc.

You won't get any of this if you don't have a card. The casino is willing you give you A LOT for your play. Turning this down is crazy. It really is free money.



That sounds like substantial play, the cool Ax. However, your level of play is the exception and not the rule. The idiots that would readily provide their DNA to the casinos for a crushed, grandpa styled baseball cap are the rule. I play a few bucks, several times a week, and will never, ever get a card. I wager enough to be approached early and often, every single time I play; every single place I play. EvenBob is dead on correct about the looks and attitudes that are so graciously provided by the kind men in suits. One has to wonder; why do they get so bothered when I refuse take advantage of them and all of their "free" shit. Many understand that to be a rhetorical question, and those who don't will never understand why we refuse to be in the system.
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:02:00 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So you think casinos give stuff away for
free. You think there really is a free lunch.
You believe the casino has a business model
that includes lots of freebies. You and my
wife would get along great. She thinks she
gets free rooms because they really like her.



What they give away is based on a mathematical model. It works pretty well for most players. Luckily for me, I'm better at math than they are, so I can exploit it.
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:02:47 PM permalink
Quote: MaxSwelle

Bob, I COULD NOT agree with you more. To elicit great cheer over a "steak" dinner and/or a room for the night is low class. Many so-called AP's factor free food and free jackets and other useless tchotchkes to their bottom line. Such small perks are incidentals that I gladly decline. I would never wear a jacket with a casino's name emblazoned on it. Trash, pure and simple. Proof and whiteness and trash is the simplest of equations to calculate...proof of white trashness.



I kind of like my free windbreakers. I had no idea they would subject me to racial slurs ( I think). My reading comp needs help.
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:05:23 PM permalink
Quote: Sabretom2

I kind of like my free windbreakers. I had no idea they would subject me to racial slurs ( I think). My reading comp needs help.



Nah, I don't think Axelwolf meant to be racially abrasive when he said "proof and whiteness", do you?
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:07:38 PM permalink
Quote: MaxSwelle

That sounds like substantial play, the cool Ax. However, your level of play is the exception and not the rule. The idiots that would readily provide their DNA to the casinos for a crushed, grandpa styled baseball cap are the rule. I play a few bucks, several times a week, and will never, ever get a card. I wager enough to be approached early and often, every single time I play; every single place I play. EvenBob is dead on correct about the looks and attitudes that are so graciously provided by the kind men in suits. One has to wonder; why do they get so bothered when I refuse take advantage of them and all of their "free" shit. Many understand that to be a rhetorical question, and those who don't will never understand why we refuse to be in the system.



It probably scales. My local Indian casino often has $15k and $25k tournaments (worth somewhere between $50 and $100 or so to each person who enters). It doesn't take much play to get invited.

The reason that I give them that much play is because they overcompensate me for my play. As my bankroll grows, I give them more and more. Unfortunately it is never big enough; I have to turn down an upcoming opportunity because the play requirement is high and I don't have the bankroll for it, yet.
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:09:06 PM permalink
Quote: MaxSwelle

Nah, I don't think Axelwolf meant to be racially abrasive when he said "proof and whiteness", do you?



That was clearly a misspelling of "witnesses".

I'll admit that it took me a couple of readings to figure out what he meant. It helps to pronounce all the words phonetically and pick the closest-sounding word.

whit-e-ness.... witness!
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:16:02 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

That was clearly a misspelling of "witnesses".

I'll admit that it took me a couple of readings to figure out what he meant. It helps to pronounce all the words phonetically and pick the closest-sounding word.

whit-e-ness.... witness!



Well, let me get off of my white soapbox and stand corrected. That dude really needs help in ALL aspects of the English language. I'll give him the benefit of this doubt, but when he spelled SOOPOO, SeePoo, I didn't buy that one as an honest mistake; despite his claims.

Thanks for the clarification.
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:17:59 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Luckily for me, I'm better at math than they are, so I can exploit it.



Lol, that's what everybody on here says. You
all go to Vegas and make money every time,
in comps. Sure you do..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:21:57 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Lol, that's what everybody on here says. You
all go to Vegas and make money every time,
in comps. Sure you do..



Of course I don't win every time. Who said that?

I collect EV every time. In the end it all works out.

No one wins every time. That's why every time someone asks a blackjack question, my response is usually "you need a bigger bankroll".
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:24:41 PM permalink
Quote: MaxSwelle

One has to wonder; why do they get so bothered when I refuse take advantage of them and all of their "free" shit. .



They come right out and tell you what you're
missing, and I always say 'who cares', I love
my own bed and hate restaurant food. Like
it's any of their business anyway. I don't have
to explain to the guy in the meat section of
the supermarket why I'm buying hamburger,
why should I have to explain to a pit creep why
I don't want their stupid card.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:28:40 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Lol, that's what everybody on here says. You
all go to Vegas and make money every time,
in comps. Sure you do..



Yup, it's called the Casino's Fallacy..."we build our beautiful resorts from winners"
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:39:02 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

That was my uncle in the 60's. It's where
I learned to be repulsed by cheapness. He
would go 10 miles out of his way to pay
a penny a gallon less for gas. He would drive
to the next county to get a Xmas tree for
$1 instead of paying $1.50 for a local one.
He would waste a buck to save 50 cents.



And you are the one that loves Walmart, getting the cheapest dog food known to man and not mowing your grass. What is it?
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:39:29 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

They come right out and tell you what you're
missing, and I always say 'who cares', I love
my own bed and hate restaurant food. Like
it's any of their business anyway. I don't have
to explain to the guy in the meat section of
the supermarket why I'm buying hamburger,
why should I have to explain to a pit creep why
I don't want their stupid card.



Anytime someone aggressively pushes a "good thing" down my throat I run for zee hills. I'll put it to you this way; a gorgeous woman walks up and begs you to take her into the nearest bathroom for a toss. You get leary, she gets mad you get the hell out of there! Rough analogy, but my point was sufficiently made.
Btw, it's all data collection at the end of the day. Period.
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:43:50 PM permalink
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And you are the one that loves Walmart, getting the cheapest dog food known to man and not mowing your grass. What is it?



My grass? What? I love Walmart because
they deliver to my door free and I don't
have to enter their crappy stores. Yuk.
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September 15th, 2014 at 2:47:32 PM permalink
Quote: MaxSwelle

I would never wear a jacket with a casino's name emblazoned on it. Trash, pure and simple.



Yep, but it's great cover, if you're out in the hinterlands and trying to blend in.

Otherwise, it could be useful to have one in the car, in case you want to change a tire or something, and don't want your good clothes to get dirty.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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September 15th, 2014 at 3:10:07 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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September 15th, 2014 at 3:26:28 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

My grass? What? I love Walmart because
they deliver to my door free and I don't
have to enter their crappy stores. Yuk.



OK, so I embellished a little. I just wanted to see if you were watching, and I hate Walmart.

Don't you have grass out back, a couple acres that are tall enough to bail?
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September 15th, 2014 at 3:30:33 PM permalink
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Don't you have grass out back, a couple acres that are tall enough to bail?



Hell no.
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September 15th, 2014 at 5:29:30 PM permalink
I love free t-shirts. Great for doing outdoorsy stuff, going to the gym, or just lounging around the house.
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September 15th, 2014 at 11:05:09 PM permalink
The whole reason for being tracked on a card is to get back a percentage of your action whether in freeplay, rooms, or other offers.

Now the argument is that what you get back is not worth the hassle, but as Axoium mentioned we are getting back far more then our share of expected loss, due to many marketing departments treating my 99.9% video poker play the same as a 90% slot. EV in tournaments, cashback, mailers, etc add up to quite a bit and almost require you to play with a card to get a higher return.

Now for table games I'm not completely sure, except you tend to get screwed on the theo.
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September 15th, 2014 at 11:12:20 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

Now for table games I'm not completely sure, except you tend to get screwed on the theo.



I don't think that you really get screwed on theo for table games. It's just that the game moves so slowly and the edge is so low compared to slots that people feel that they should get more than they really should. They don't understand that a $1 denom slot player really is worth more to the casino than a black-chip player at the tables.

As for your VP statement, if you know of a place that has full pay machines with the theo set to 10%, let me know :)
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September 16th, 2014 at 1:09:31 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice


As for your VP statement, if you know of a place that has full pay machines with the theo set to 10%, let me know :)



Not the theo set but if you play the best games and still get entries to tournaments, tickets for drawings, etc same as the 85% penny slot player you're getting more then your share in equity.
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AxiomOfChoice
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September 16th, 2014 at 10:42:31 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

Not the theo set but if you play the best games and still get entries to tournaments, tickets for drawings, etc same as the 85% penny slot player you're getting more then your share in equity.



Yeah, definitely. This is what I do (plus a few other things). But you need to put in a lot more play than a slot player.
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March 11th, 2015 at 5:36:06 PM permalink
I have the same pet peeve every spring. On
the first warm days, every jogger and bike
rider takes to the shoulder of the road to see
if he can die today. Being cooped up all winter
has shrunk their already tiny brains even more,
and they act like they're armor plated.

Saw a close one today. The car in front of me
didn't see the spandexed woman till he was
almost on her. He swerved into the other lane
and an oncoming car swerved off the road just
in time. We have plenty of paved bike paths
in the area, but your chances of being killed or
causing an accident on them are slim, what fun
is that.
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March 11th, 2015 at 6:52:04 PM permalink
Oh yeah, reminds me (sorry Evenbob)

What's with people starting posts about "Evenbob."

17000 + posts, and you have to start a thread about the top poster as well!

I don't care if you're Santa, Jesus and a nice person, there's something wrong with that.

There ought to be 3 day ban just for doing that.

Over and out.
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March 12th, 2015 at 2:41:21 PM permalink
When I play poker, I have problem with players saying, "I put you all in." First you cannot put me all in, only I can. Second, I have problems with tourney players having a tantrum. Just because you bought a seat does not give you a to go off. Grow up.
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March 13th, 2015 at 6:22:49 AM permalink
Quote: AceCrAAckers

When I play poker, I have problem with players saying, "I put you all in."


I agree. Does that statement even constitute a binding action? Head's up, I guess it only has one meaning, but what would happen if the player said this but didn't realize there was a 3rd opponent still in the hand who had me covered? If "I put you all in" is considered binding, what would his bet be?
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