Having to tip dealers is ridiculous
Quote: mcallister3200Your comment regarding $100 being the low end of dealer tokes in lv is not accurate. The low end is $30 in places like north las Vegas, longhorn, or jokers wild. Many places in locals market or downtown are $60-$80, and $100 would be good. $100 is accurate for low end of strip like Ballys or harrahs, luxor, treasure island. Circus, casino royale, Riviera, Excalibur, and stratosphere would all fall below 100.
$100-$300 daily is my estimate of (min wage+tips) total, and I believe it's reasonably accurate.
I misinterpreted it as not including the base wage. That is reasonably accurate.Quote: BlueOceans$100-$300 daily is my estimate of (min wage+tips) total, and I believe it's reasonably accurate.
Quote: BlueOceansOf course the cost of employees' wages will always be paid by the consumers. But in a no-tipping structure the cost to the consumers will actually be much lower. What the tipping structure allows is for dealers to receive inflated wages for low skill work and consumers are paying the excess wages, not the casinos.
I understand there's a lot of dealers on this forum and they won't like what they hear. But the math is simple:
In LV dealers make $100-$300 a day. Only about $8/hr of it comes from the minimum wage that's paid by the casino. The rest comes from the tips. Now let's say what would happen if the casino took just $0.50 per hour away from the $2/hr every player is getting in comps and added it to the hourly wage. $8 + $0.50*9 = $12.50/hr. I guarantee you there's no shortage of ddealers willing work for $12.50/hr. And that's without even increasing the rake by a penny. So in 8 hours they would make $100. That's the absolute bottom of their daily earnings that stand today at $100-$300/day. I would bet you there would absolutely no shortage of dealers willing to work for $10/hr flat especially with NV having the highest unemployment rate in the nation.
So the tipping structure results in dealers being overpaid what is essentially a low-skill low-education job. And all of the overpay comes from the consumers in forms of tips - casinos are smart enough to contribute only the fair market price for the labor which is close to minimum wage or maybe up to 20% above maximum.
If you think all minimum wage workers should be subsidized, I'd like to see you start tipping at McDonald's and a million other places.
I don't think dealers should be overpaid for doing a low-skill low-education work at the expense of consumers (not fat cat casino owners).
Just because it's the status quo, doesn't mean it's right or fair. Slave ownership used to be the status quo. Was it fair or right? Open your mind and think for a second.
Most of your assumptions are way off.
Dealers average right around $100-$120 per day. Many make much less. Some, but not a very high percentage make more. Generally in the industry if you have a $200 day you run and call your wife or girlfriend. These days don't come around too often. On top of that, many Dealers are not Full-Time employees. They get no benefits, including time off, health care or retirement.
If all of a sudden, magically, no more tipping was allowed, the following would be my options for making up for that:
1. Increase the house advantage on all games, including the 0.53% on Blackjack.
2. Change Blackjack payouts on all games to 6-5 instead of 3-2.
3. Reduce the number of full time dealers to a small percentage or none, keeping everyone under 30 hours and therefore getting no benefits.
Finally, the lack of skill you say dealers have in incorrect. I have come across many, many, many people that could not handle the skills needed to be a good dealer. Dealers are stuck in a 2 foot by 2 foot box for an hour or two at a time. They can't walk away when someone is being rude, or blowing smoke in their face or being loud or drunk or whatever. Most learn and are proficient in 6-8 different games with different rules, paytables and procedures. Many if not most start out on not very desirable shifts. 2am -10am, 1am-9am, then if they are lucky they can move to a 10pm-6am or 8pm to 4am. They put in their time at undesirable shifts to get to better ones. I could probably name dozens of decent paying jobs that pay as good or better with less skills needed. Do dealers need a higher education? No. But do they have skills? Yes they do.
Your whole concept is way off and your petition is even worse.
ZCore13
Do they have bad rules where tipping is not the norm and dealers are paid more?Quote: Zcore13Most of your assumptions are way off.
Dealers average right around $100-$120 per day. Many make much less. Some, but not a very high percentage make more. Generally in the industry if you have a $200 day you run and call your wife or girlfriend. These days don't come around too often. On top of that, many Dealers are not Full-Time employees. They get no benefits, including time off, health care or retirement.
If all of a sudden, magically, no more tipping was allowed, the following would be my options for making up for that:
1. Increase the house advantage on all games, including the 0.53% on Blackjack.
2. Change Blackjack payouts on all games to 6-5 instead of 3-2.
3. Reduce the number of full time dealers to a small percentage or none, keeping everyone under 30 hours and therefore getting no benefits.
Finally, the lack of skill you say dealers have in incorrect. I have come across many, many, many people that could not handle the skills needed to be a good dealer. Dealers are stuck in a 2 foot by 2 foot box for an hour or two at a time. They can't walk away when someone is being rude, or blowing smoke in their face or being loud or drunk or whatever. Most learn and are proficient in 6-8 different games with different rules, paytables and procedures. Many if not most start out on not very desirable shifts. 2am -10am, 1am-9am, then if they are lucky they can move to a 10pm-6am or 8pm to 4am. They put in their time at undesirable shifts to get to better ones. I could probably name dozens of decent paying jobs that pay as good or better with less skills needed. Do dealers need a higher education? No. But do they have skills? Yes they do.
Your whole concept is way off and your petition is even worse.
ZCore13
A tip should be treated in this manner. OH THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR!
Quote: AxelWolfDo they have bad rules where tipping is not the norm and dealers are paid more?
I don't think you can really compare a situation where one place (or Country) starts with no tipping and another would have to go to no tipping from a tipping atmosphere. I can't speak for other locations. I'm just saying what I would have to do because lower profits would not be an option. My guess would be that these other places (Countries?) make it up somewhere.
ZCore13
Yes they make it up because the players SPEND the tip money in the casino on gaming. Trust me No tipping would not cost the casino as much extra as you think.Quote: Zcore13I don't think you can really compare a situation where one place (or Country) starts with no tipping and another would have to go to no tipping from a tipping atmosphere. I can't speak for other locations. I'm just saying what I would have to do because lower profits would not be an option. My guess would be that these other places (Countries?) make it up somewhere.
ZCore13
These guys looks pretty good; what have they got that you say over half of us don't have?
Quote: MrVOK, what qualities should someone have to be a good dealer?
These guys looks pretty good; what have they got that you say over half of us don't have?
I'll lost interest in the topic since it no tipping will never happen here and I already know what I would have to do if it did, but to answer your questions MrV... I can't possibly know their skill level or lack of it in certain areas by looking at them.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Quote: MrVOK, what qualities should someone have to be a good dealer?
These guys looks pretty good; what have they got that you say over half of us don't have?
I'll lost interest in the topic since it no tipping will never happen here and I already know what I would have to do if it did, but to answer your questions MrV... I can't possibly know their skill level or lack of it in certain areas by looking at them.
ZCore13
I assume you work for casinos in some management capacity. You do what you gotta do. Just stop shifting your payroll burden to consumers via tipping. Tips are illegal in Australia - there's no shortage of dealers and everything's dandy.
Quote: BlueOceansQuote: Zcore13Quote: MrVOK, what qualities should someone have to be a good dealer?
These guys looks pretty good; what have they got that you say over half of us don't have?
I'll lost interest in the topic since it no tipping will never happen here and I already know what I would have to do if it did, but to answer your questions MrV... I can't possibly know their skill level or lack of it in certain areas by looking at them.
ZCore13
I assume you work for casinos in some management capacity. You do what you gotta do. Just stop shifting your payroll burden to consumers via tipping. Tips are illegal in Australia - there's no shortage of dealers and everything's dandy.
Yes, we should probably just follow all Australian laws that are dandy. Like...
It is the law that all cab drivers must carry a bale of hay in their trunk.
Or
It's illegal to change a light bulb unless you are a licensed electrician.
Or
It is illegal for a kid under 16 to buy a cigar, but it ok if they smoke cigars.
Yup, Australia has it all perfect.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Most of your assumptions are way off.
Dealers average right around $100-$120 per day. Many make much less. Some, but not a very high percentage make more. Generally in the industry if you have a $200 day you run and call your wife or girlfriend. These days don't come around too often. On top of that, many Dealers are not Full-Time employees. They get no benefits, including time off, health care or retirement.
If all of a sudden, magically, no more tipping was allowed, the following would be my options for making up for that:
1. Increase the house advantage on all games, including the 0.53% on Blackjack.
2. Change Blackjack payouts on all games to 6-5 instead of 3-2.
3. Reduce the number of full time dealers to a small percentage or none, keeping everyone under 30 hours and therefore getting no benefits.
ZCore13
I hate to get involved with a tipping thread, but it does bother me when pro-tipping advocates say if no more tipping were allowed there would be all 6:5 blackjack. Ok, by that logic casinos that have gone to 6:5 BJ, like the evil empire, are using that increased revenue to pay better salaries? So they have done away with all tipping? I don't think so. So that argument doesn't fly. You can't have it both ways.
All off these issues, salary and number of hours are issues between the employer and employee. Now, to me it all comes back to the very first line in this now 122 page thread, posted by FinsRule.
"Why should casino customers have to subsidize dealer salaries?"
We will take that as a big compliment.Quote: ontariodealerI would wager over half the regular posters here would not make good dealers. You would learn all the games and know everything inside out but that has zero to do with being able to do the job.
Slightly off: NV #49 at 7.7% with MS and RI tied for 50th at 7.9%Quote: BlueOceanswith NV having the highest unemployment rate in the nation.
But we get the point.
Quote: djatcI've always wondered about the big tips dealers get at high limit tables. Do you still split this equally, or does the dealer keep a good % of the tip. Let's say a high roller throws the dealer $5000, what would happen at most casinos?
Most places in Vegas pool tips, which are split evenly amongst dealers from all three shifts. I believe that the Indian casinos allow dealers to keep all or the majority of their tips rather than using a shared pool.
Quote: AxelWolfI tip, sometimes way to much and sometimes not enough. My problem is not with tipping. My problem is that its became EXPECTED and even mandatory in some cases. You are no longer a nice guy/good guy/ generous person if you tip. If you don't tip enough, you're considered a horrible person. I have seen people get violent over non tipping. WTF is going on? Tips should be based on GREAT service. Dealers are seriously NOT doing anything for you. We are tipping the wrong people(Parents should be tipping crossing guards)
A tip should be treated in this manner. OH THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR!
Just curious, but exactly how are dealers not doing anything for you if you are sitting at a live blackjack/craps/poker game?
Quote: SGITMost places in Vegas pool tips, which are split evenly amongst dealers from all three shifts. I believe that the Indian casinos allow dealers to keep all or the majority of their tips rather than using a shared pool.
Tips are pooled at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun. I'm not sure how the poker rooms do it.
Quote: SGITMost places in Vegas pool tips, which are split evenly amongst dealers from all three shifts. I believe that the Indian casinos allow dealers to keep all or the majority of their tips rather than using a shared pool.
Seneca Niagara also pools tips.
Let me say this again, I do tip dealers, I don't hate dealers, one of my fathers dealt most games and counted for over 30 years (I have 2, both equally good men) I just think they should not EXPECT it and treat you like a scumbag if you are not tipping.Quote: SGITJust curious, but exactly how are dealers not doing anything for you if you are sitting at a live blackjack/craps/poker game?
I want my tips to mean something and not just generate a mechanical meaningless thank you(half of them don't even do that). I want to point out that dealers don't tip as well as they want to be tipped. A lot of poker dealers who play are really bad tippers.
What I really meant, they are not doing anything that benefits anyone, they do nothing special.
It takes no real talent to be a dealer, they really are not doing anything special for you. They help, you lose your money. 95% of them don't even have a clue about the odds or know basic strategy and gibe bad advice. Would you want to keep tipping a bartender,one that does not know how to make a drink properly, nor can they even tell you how to make a drink you ask about?
They really don't deserve any more tips then the pool guy, lawn guy, Fast food worker, pooper scoopers, check in person, librarian, lifeguard, day care worker, teachers, bank tellers, Walmart workers, you get the point.
Once again, why don't parents tip the underpaid and volunteer crossing guards? They offer a lifesaving service and the job is probably dangerous. The casino is the opposite of a beneficial service. It's normally destructive entertainment. The only reason People think we should tip dealers is because of foolish superstitious people who made it a thing. The casinos don't need us to supplement dealers incomes but, we let the casinos get away with it. People would spend that money on the casino anyways. The casino could save man power, time and money not having to deal with the tip counting processes.
Why not tip doctors or layers? Doctors offer a way more valuable service. I will say layers do as well. They also took the time to go to school for years and probably made sacrifices.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkDo you tip at Micky D's? Do you tip at Wal-Mart?
If you do you are doing so to pat yourself on the back. Nothing wrong with that I suppose. Don't tell me I am wrong for not. It is a ridiculous train of thinking to subsidize every minimum wage worker.
I don't tip at those places. If there was a way to do it (on my CC) I would. Lotta people are struggling, even with 2 jobs. Can you imagine working at Subway or McD's making minimum wage with no tips? And I don't tip to pat myself on the back.
RS you are a dealer right? How much do you tip when you play BJ or whatever?Quote: RSI don't tip at those places. If there was a way to do it (on my CC) I would. Lotta people are struggling, even with 2 jobs. Can you imagine working at Subway or McD's making minimum wage with no tips? And I don't tip to pat myself on the back.
Quote: SGITJust curious, but exactly how are dealers not doing anything for you if you are sitting at a live blackjack/craps/poker game?
It isn't that dealers are not doing anything for you....they are. They are doing there job. How many people do you encounter in a day that are doing something for you, like the cashier at CVS, the public transit bus driver, the toll booth guy, the person that takes your ticket at the movie theater, the cashier at the grocery store. They are all doing something for you.....do you tip any of them?? No. You tip someone that is providing a service specialized for you (like a waiter), not a common job.
And just the fact that at most casinos 'pool' the tips is indication that they are not doing a specialized service and recognize that they are not providing a specialized service. All you are doing is subsidizing the salary so the casino operator doesn't have to. If you feel that you want to do that, fine. Tip all these other people that you encounter in a day and subsidize their salaries as well.
* Hooters
* Silverton
* Tuscany
* Ellis Island
That's it. If you are in a place like, for example, Lucky club, they pool tips, but they only have 2 or 3 tables running at a time and don't get much tips at all. They probably appreciate tips more at Lucky Club than any other table game in the state.
Quote: kewljAnd just the fact that at most casinos 'pool' the tips is indication that they are not doing a specialized service and recognize that they are not providing a specialized service.
Some restaurants pool tips, too.
My understanding is that the purpose of pooling tips is to prevent animosity between the dealers and fighting for the "good" tables and shifts.
Yea I assume that as well.Quote: DieterSome restaurants pool tips, too.
My understanding is that the purpose of pooling tips is to prevent animosity between the dealers and fighting for the "good" tables and shifts.
I want to go back to the first paragraph in my post just a few posts back. I differentiate between someone doing a personalized service for you, like a waiter or barber, and someone just doing a general job, like a cashier, or clerk or security job. If someone can explain how a dealer falls into the first category rather than the second, perhaps I will re-think my position.
Quote: IbeatyouracesAnd collusion between dealers and players.
Any dealer that is colluding with a player can probably arrange a direct settlement when not under surveillance.
Trying to sneak some ill-gotten gains out through the toke box - which is always under surveillance and counted carefully - just strikes me as a special kind of stupid.
Quote: kewljIf someone can explain how a dealer falls into the first category rather than the second, perhaps I will re-think my position.
There are certain aspects of a blackjack dealer's duties which fall under subjective judgement.
There are probably some ways I'm not familiar with for dealers on roulette (steering) & craps (friendly eye on marginal rolls) to help; those would earn tips, too.
There isn't much subjectivity on four card poker; I wouldn't recommend tipping there, or to a slot attendant delivering a handpay, or to a cage cashier.
I would rather tip them over a dealer, they don't expect it, they want it but they don't get all pissy if you don't.Quote: DieterThere are certain aspects of a blackjack dealer's duties which fall under subjective judgement.
I wouldn't recommend tipping there, or to a slot attendant delivering a handpay,
Quote: AxelWolfI would rather tip them over a dealer, they don't expect it, they want it but they don't get all pissy if you don't.
I tip to receive better service; I'm not sure how a slot attendant or a cashier would do that. It's not like they can skip filing the Title 31 or W2G paperwork without repercussions, right?
I absolutely have slid a toke to a dealer when (s)he suddenly sets the penetration deeper, and said "that looked like a (really) good cut."
And that's fine. But it sounds like you only like tipping if you get something extra like a better cut. Assume they have a predetermined cut. They don't deal faster they just deal.Quote: DieterI tip to receive better service; I'm not sure how a slot attendant or a cashier would do that. It's not like they can skip filing the Title 31 or W2G paperwork without repercussions, right?
I absolutely have slid a toke to a dealer when (s)he suddenly sets the penetration deeper, and said "that looked like a (really) good cut."
Quote: AxelWolfit sounds like you only like tipping if you get something extra
Well, yes. If you like to give money away for no particular reason, PM me. I'm sure we can work something out. I'll even thank you appreciatively and graciously.
There are other reasons to tip than direct benefit - one particular dealer is always very friendly, pleasant, and is almost as entertaining as Cold Stone for every dollar she drops in the box. Just thinking about this large woman shouting "Two dolla make me HOLLA!" is good for a smile.
Oh don't get me wrong im not saying there is anything wrong with that at all I'M ALL FOR IT.Quote: DieterWell, yes. If you like to give money away for no particular reason, PM me. I'm sure we can work something out. I'll even thank you appreciatively and graciously.
There are other reasons to tip than direct benefit - one particular dealer is always very friendly, pleasant, and is almost as entertaining as Cold Stone for every dollar she drops in the box. Just thinking about this large woman shouting "Two dolla make me HOLLA!" is good for a smile.
This does not mean we should be expected to tip.
Quote: AxelWolfThis does not mean we should be expected to tip.
I'll agree to that. I get a warm, fuzzy feeling any time I hear about someone getting busted for hustling tokes.
Recent anecdote: a group was in town on vacation from (big city 3 hours away), and a dealer was just dumping thousands to them. They weren't tipping at all. He got a bit grumpy, and finally said "how much do you guys need to win before you tip?"
Apparently one of them tossed him two green chips, which the dealer graciously thanked him for. The dealer was tapped out and scolded in the office shortly after, however.
I don't mind sharing the love if I'm doing well, but you're right - a tip should never be expected by a gaming employee. Anything more than a sarcastic "thanks for the tips and tries" when leaving the table would irk me.
Does anyone withhold the tip in a restaurant because the food wasn't cooked to their liking?
the “gratuity” definition, it most likely comes from a popular form of speech
among thieves, beggars, and hustlers,called the “Thieves’ Cant” (also sometimes
called “Rogues’ Cant”), which arose in Great Britain several hundred years ago
with the primary aim of keeping non-thieves and the like from being able to fully
understand what the thieves were talking about.
Thieves, beggars, and hustlers perfectly describes some dealers.
So I take it we have a total of 2 good dealers in the world?Quote: ontariodealerA good dealer appreciates the tips but does not expect them.
Quote: AxelWolfLet me say this again, I do tip dealers, I don't hate dealers, one of my fathers dealt most games and counted for over 30 years (I have 2, both equally good men) I just think they should not EXPECT it and treat you like a scumbag if you are not tipping.
I want my tips to mean something and not just generate a mechanical meaningless thank you(half of them don't even do that). I want to point out that dealers don't tip as well as they want to be tipped. A lot of poker dealers who play are really bad tippers.
What I really meant, they are not doing anything that benefits anyone, they do nothing special.
It takes no real talent to be a dealer, they really are not doing anything special for you. They help, you lose your money. 95% of them don't even have a clue about the odds or know basic strategy and gibe bad advice. Would you want to keep tipping a bartender,one that does not know how to make a drink properly, nor can they even tell you how to make a drink you ask about?
They really don't deserve any more tips then the pool guy, lawn guy, Fast food worker, pooper scoopers, check in person, librarian, lifeguard, day care worker, teachers, bank tellers, Walmart workers, you get the point.
Once again, why don't parents tip the underpaid and volunteer crossing guards? They offer a lifesaving service and the job is probably dangerous. The casino is the opposite of a beneficial service. It's normally destructive entertainment. The only reason People think we should tip dealers is because of foolish superstitious people who made it a thing. The casinos don't need us to supplement dealers incomes but, we let the casinos get away with it. People would spend that money on the casino anyways. The casino could save man power, time and money not having to deal with the tip counting processes.
Why not tip doctors or layers? Doctors offer a way more valuable service. I will say layers do as well. They also took the time to go to school for years and probably made sacrifices.
Axel,
I'm in agreement with you on this, as I know you do tip for good service. I worked many jobs that were tipped, and quite a few that were not, over the years. One that really stands out was flying the corrugator at a union paper plant. Everybody made base wage for their time in position/type of position, then every job had target incentives (that were very reachable) where they would receive bonus money for each hour they produced above the target rate. It required teamwork, smart prioritization, and hard work to get there, and the workers really enjoyed themselves, going for it every day/every job. It was a very happy place to work with very low turnover, just because of that structure, even though the work itself was very repetitive and you were a cog, but you had goals, and other people depending on your quality.
If tipping in casinos worked in a similar fashion, as incentives for good work, that would be ideal. Pooling tips kind of negates that, but only somewhat, because your performance is still going to be reflected in your paycheck. Part of enjoying dealing almost has to be an attitude of providing the best service with a smile regardless of the cards, the customers, or whether you've got a tipping table. (Which is why I think the comment was made about 1/2 of us being unsuited; it's an attitude thing.)
But I remember 10 years ago, going to Morango (spelling? just outside of Palm Springs) the first time, I met a guy who was the best, without a question, PGP dealer I'd ever seen - at any game, any where. Still is. We got to talking, and he had 30-something years in the industry. He had come up thru the ranks, and had left the pit at Caesar's hi-limit room over this very issue. At Morango, he got to keep his tips, and was so good that he was making 50% more dealing the floor there than working hi-limit on the Strip. So I can see where the incentive fails at his level; he got tired of subsidizing everybody else.
Honestly I guess I don't care how they work it. I don't mind tipping dealers and i don't hate them. I just can't stand when people (some are not even dealers), get on their high horse and tell others what's right and not right.
I'm not exaggerating when I said, I have seen people get violent at poker tables, when they seen someone not tip the dealer on a big pot.
You get waitresses tweeting nasty comments at people who don't leave enough.
Quote: AxelWolfRS you are a dealer right? How much do you tip when you play BJ or whatever?
Yes I am.
When I play BJ, it's with the team / team money. Our policy is not to tip / tip very little. Your edge in BJ isn't that much to begin with.
If I play craps or something (on my own money) then I do tip...although I don't play on my own money that often. It depends how much I win. Between $10-40, depending on my much I win and how long I played. At least $10 though, even if I lose my ass.
Quote: kewljI hate to get involved with a tipping thread, but it does bother me when pro-tipping advocates say if no more tipping were allowed there would be all 6:5 blackjack. Ok, by that logic casinos that have gone to 6:5 BJ, like the evil empire, are using that increased revenue to pay better salaries? So they have done away with all tipping? I don't think so. So that argument doesn't fly. You can't have it both ways.
All off these issues, salary and number of hours are issues between the employer and employee. Now, to me it all comes back to the very first line in this now 122 page thread, posted by FinsRule.
"Why should casino customers have to subsidize dealer salaries?"
Absolutely, Sir. Please support! (my sig)
Quote: AxelWolfLet me say this again, I do tip dealers, I don't hate dealers, one of my fathers dealt most games and counted for over 30 years (I have 2, both equally good men) I just think they should not EXPECT it and treat you like a scumbag if you are not tipping.
I want my tips to mean something and not just generate a mechanical meaningless thank you(half of them don't even do that). I want to point out that dealers don't tip as well as they want to be tipped. A lot of poker dealers who play are really bad tippers.
What I really meant, they are not doing anything that benefits anyone, they do nothing special.
It takes no real talent to be a dealer, they really are not doing anything special for you. They help, you lose your money. 95% of them don't even have a clue about the odds or know basic strategy and gibe bad advice. Would you want to keep tipping a bartender,one that does not know how to make a drink properly, nor can they even tell you how to make a drink you ask about?
They really don't deserve any more tips then the pool guy, lawn guy, Fast food worker, pooper scoopers, check in person, librarian, lifeguard, day care worker, teachers, bank tellers, Walmart workers, you get the point.
Once again, why don't parents tip the underpaid and volunteer crossing guards? They offer a lifesaving service and the job is probably dangerous. The casino is the opposite of a beneficial service. It's normally destructive entertainment. The only reason People think we should tip dealers is because of foolish superstitious people who made it a thing. The casinos don't need us to supplement dealers incomes but, we let the casinos get away with it. People would spend that money on the casino anyways. The casino could save man power, time and money not having to deal with the tip counting processes.
Why not tip doctors or layers? Doctors offer a way more valuable service. I will say layers do as well. They also took the time to go to school for years and probably made sacrifices.
Agreed, please support our petition.
Quote: kewljIt isn't that dealers are not doing anything for you....they are. They are doing there job. How many people do you encounter in a day that are doing something for you, like the cashier at CVS, the public transit bus driver, the toll booth guy, the person that takes your ticket at the movie theater, the cashier at the grocery store. They are all doing something for you.....do you tip any of them?? No. You tip someone that is providing a service specialized for you (like a waiter), not a common job.
And just the fact that at most casinos 'pool' the tips is indication that they are not doing a specialized service and recognize that they are not providing a specialized service. All you are doing is subsidizing the salary so the casino operator doesn't have to. If you feel that you want to do that, fine. Tip all these other people that you encounter in a day and subsidize their salaries as well.
Great point about tip pooling. They realize it's not about the quality of service provided by an individual dealer. It's simply the casinos exploiting the status quo at the expense of the consumers AND the dealers exploiting the consumers to receive inflated compensation for a very low-skill occupation that is substantially above what they would receive in a fair market under a non-tipping structure. Casinos and dealers win - consumers lose.
This is not about being nice. This is about fairness. And the status quo is simply unfair.
