Having to tip dealers is ridiculous
This dealer got a an absurd amount of 20/21's. It was back and forth, if I got 19 he had 20. If he was in a Bust situation, he'd catch a 21. He also opened the shoe with BJ with a 10 showing. Two hands later, BJ with a 10 showing. And dealt me a BlackJack, had an ace showing. I declined even money and wouldn't ya know, he had another BlackjacK!
However, I did get some good double downs in to keep my head above water and then the count finally went in my favor at the time when I was just about even with my buy-in . So I pressed my bet to $175(all my chips at that point) and got a Blackjack! He's showing a 10, and turns over... a 10 of course!
Two other people clear out of the table, the count went negative, so I ask for color and the dealer starts stacking my greens.
He half heartedly calls to the pit, "Color in" 30 seconds go and no pit manager bothers to approve the color up. I keep waiting for him to call for someone or say "Color in" again a little louder, but he just kind of stares into space.
I said "Nevermind, I'll just take it to the cashier"
He goes, "You taking the pink chip to the cashier too?"
I reply "Yea, I can use it for tolls" (Which is the truth, I do get as many quarters I can for the WONDERFUL Parkway Tolls!)
He says "Really, the $200 and change I paid you isn't enough for the tolls?"
I go "Nah, I would've been able to afford them had you not taken my money on those bullshit 21's, Now I need every bit. See ya later!"
But check this out from when I played Caribbean Stud last week. I sometimes put a white chip (~ .90 US) next to my ante bet for the dealer, and if I have a playable hand, 2 white chips for the bet also. To my astonishment, I was actually tapped on the shoulder by a suit telling me that playing the ante for the dealer was ok, but I was not allowed to "bet" for them the 2 whites, as it could promote collusion. I never thought I'd get in trouble for tipping too much.
Quote: EdgeLookerI'm always a good tipper, even here in Korea, where its not expected, not even in the casinos.
Ah, then you're the guy I've been looking for.
I'm a good tipper as well, but there are umpteen people here who claim that if we eliminated tipping, then service would go down, dealers would become unbearable, and casinos would find ways to jack up the House Edge big time on all games. Basically (according to these people), the whole world would come to an end.
But tell me, since you've actually been to casinos where tipping isn't expected, are all of these claims true? Are casinos in Korea hell holes like some would want us to believe, or are these guys just blowing things out of proportion?
Quote: Beethoven9thQuote: EdgeLookerI'm always a good tipper, even here in Korea, where its not expected, not even in the casinos.
Ah, then you're the guy I've been looking for.
I'm a good tipper as well, but there are umpteen people here who claim that if we eliminated tipping, then service would go down, dealers would become unbearable, and casinos would find ways to jack up the House Edge big time on all games. Basically (according to these people), the whole world would come to an end.
But tell me, since you've actually been to casinos where tipping isn't expected, are all of these claims true? Are casinos in Korea hell holes like some would want us to believe, or are these guys just blowing things out of proportion?
The casinos here are definitely not hell holes, not extravagant like LV or Macau, but nice.
There is a dealer and a pit boss here who are actually from Las Vegas, have dual-citizenship (both had worked at multiple places on the strip) I also know of another contracted dealer who used to deal in Austria where accepting tips is not allowed. That dealer told me he preferred working here (making less per hr wage but with tips).
The Korean-American dealer from LV (has over 20+ yrs dealing), told me his pay was 90+ yr, but Korean pay is different here than in the US, as they get their retirement/pension $ now. Every other month they get one months extra pay, Sep and Nov two months extra, plus pension money in April. But, they have mandatory retirement ages here that would be age discrimination lawsuits in the US. Bottom line though is even the new dealers get paid very well. Most of them, if not all are college grads. Most speak two or more languages. I don't know how much tips make up their salary, but I have never seen so many non-tippers in my life. The casinos in Seoul are for foreigners only, the majority of the players are Korean dual citizens (supposedly, lol), Japanese, and Chinese. From what I've seen, they do not tip well, if at all. I don't play in the high roller VIP areas, so I don't know how it is there.
I walk into a casino and see a roulette table and know 100% if I buying at 110.00 (100 color + 10 x1.00 singles for the dealer bets) I will make money there in the short term.
Dealers like to be put in the game so simply take one 1.00 chip and ask the dealer to pick a number then pick a side of the wheel surrounding his numbers and flood with chips, he may not win 90% of the time but he will insure you win so I also tip upto 5.00 for every spin. on an average session of roulette, I may have tipped the dealer well over 50.00 keep in mind the tips are split between all the dealers.
someone had mentioned the dealers may find 5.00 /hr tipping cheap, so best not to tip and keep everyone happy.
Quote: EdgeLookerThe casinos here are definitely not hell holes, not extravagant like LV or Macau, but nice.
There is a dealer and a pit boss here who are actually from Las Vegas, have dual-citizenship (both had worked at multiple places on the strip) I also know of another contracted dealer who used to deal in Austria where accepting tips is not allowed. That dealer told me he preferred working here (making less per hr wage but with tips).
The Korean-American dealer from LV (has over 20+ yrs dealing), told me his pay was 90+ yr, but Korean pay is different here than in the US, as they get their retirement/pension $ now. Every other month they get one months extra pay, Sep and Nov two months extra, plus pension money in April. But, they have mandatory retirement ages here that would be age discrimination lawsuits in the US. Bottom line though is even the new dealers get paid very well. Most of them, if not all are college grads. Most speak two or more languages. I don't know how much tips make up their salary, but I have never seen so many non-tippers in my life. The casinos in Seoul are for foreigners only, the majority of the players are Korean dual citizens (supposedly, lol), Japanese, and Chinese. From what I've seen, they do not tip well, if at all. I don't play in the high roller VIP areas, so I don't know how it is there.
Thanks for the reply. I appreciate the insight from someone who has actually been to casinos where tipping isn't expected.
So did everybody hear the man? Dealers in Korea (where tipping isn't expected) aren't living like fast food workers, after all. So it appears as if the doomsday scenarios from the pro-tipping crowd may be a little unfounded.
Even though I know it will never happen, I would love to see a casino eliminate tipping or at least stress that tips aren't expected. The more I gamble in Vegas, the more I get tired of hearing dealers b*tch and moan. (And this is coming from a guy who tips well and STILL has to put up with whining dealers!) But to be fair, dealers at locals casinos are so much better. It's like night and day between Strip & locals casinos.
Quote: Beethoven9th
Even though I know it will never happen, I would love to see a casino eliminate tipping or at least stress that tips aren't expected. The more I gamble in Vegas, the more I get tired of hearing dealers b*tch and moan. (And this is coming from a guy who tips well and STILL has to put up with whining dealers!) But to be fair, dealers at locals casinos are so much better. It's like night and day between Strip & locals casinos.
They might, by increasing the Base Wage, and if they do, they'll also stress that the following is not expected:
A.) A Natural paying 3:2
B.) The Field tripling on anything.
C.) Offering greater than 2x Odds on Craps
D.) Special promos for Poker players.
E.) Liberally discretionarily comped buffets.
F.) Strong Free Play offers.
G.) Giveaways.
H.) Points Multiplier days.
I.) 99%+ VP.
With all due respect, this is how it works, pay the dealers more or don't pay them more...the casino tries to make the same amount of money. If you don't believe me, then you should have driven through Burger King and checked the price of Drinks the week before the most recent MW increase as opposed to the week after.
The money will come from the patron, either way, so it makes no difference.
Quote: Mission146They might, by increasing the Base Wage, and if they do, they'll also stress that the following is not expected:
A.) A Natural paying 3:2
B.) The Field tripling on anything.
C.) Offering greater than 2x Odds on Craps
D.) Special promos for Poker players.
E.) Liberally discretionarily comped buffets.
F.) Strong Free Play offers.
G.) Giveaways.
H.) Points Multiplier days.
I.) 99%+ VP.
Other than A & B, I wouldn't have a problem with any of those things.
From my point of view, if tips are ever eliminated, the dealers should be taking the biggest hit, not the players or the casino. I know some people will scream, "But no casino would ever be able to hire any dealers with such crappy pay!!" But that ain't true at all.
I definitely want to ask the member from Korea about games/rules/comps though.
Quote: EdgeLookerThere is a dealer and a pit boss here who are actually from Las Vegas, have dual-citizenship (both had worked at multiple places on the strip) I also know of another contracted dealer who used to deal in Austria where accepting tips is not allowed. That dealer told me he preferred working here (making less per hr wage but with tips).
I forgot to ask about game rules and comps. Are they the same in Korea as they are in, say, Vegas?
For example:
A.) BJ—Natural paying 3:2
B.) Craps—the Field pays triple on 12
C.) Craps—offering greater than 2x Odds
D.) Special promos for Poker players
E.) Liberally discretionarily comped buffets
F.) Strong Free Play offers
G.) Giveaways
H.) Points Multiplier days
I.) 99%+ VP
Thanks in advance!
Quote: Beethoven9thOther than A & B, I wouldn't have a problem with any of those things.
From my point of view, if tips are ever eliminated, the dealers should be taking the biggest hit, not the players or the casino. I know some people will scream, "But no casino would ever be able to hire any dealers with such crappy pay!!" But that ain't true at all.
I happen to agree with the last bit, but I'd certainly hate to lose any of the listed things. I'd like to have everyone who enters the casino to have the best chance to win that is feasible while having a great experience.
I also think a casino could ban tipping and still have break-in dealers that would work there for minimum wage, I mean, if people will work for MW at McDonald's, then some of them would almost certainly work the (generally) less physically disgusting job of dealing. I don't like to see anyone making less money, though, so I'd hate to see that...
Quote: Beethoven9thI forgot to ask about game rules and comps. Are they the same in Korea as they are in, say, Vegas?
For example:
A.) BJ—Natural paying 3:2
B.) Craps—the Field pays triple on 12
C.) Craps—offering greater than 2x Odds
D.) Special promos for Poker players
E.) Liberally discretionarily comped buffets
F.) Strong Free Play offers
G.) Giveaways
H.) Points Multiplier days
I.) 99%+ VP
Thanks in advance!
I'm calling foul on the basis of inapt comparison. We see Naturals paying only 6:5 in some casinos in which the full wages for the dealer are not being paid by the House. The casino nearest me, while paying 3:2 on Naturals, does only have 2x Odds and only Doubles 2&12. Other than the customary Bad Beat Jackpot, I don't recall having ever seen or heard of a special promo for poker players there. Their Free Play offers suck, and they'd don't have 99%+ VP.
So, there are already houses that do one or more of these things, I'm just saying you'd generally see more of them if all of the dealer's salaries came from the casino's coffers.
Besides, the standard in Korea is whatever it is right now. I'm saying when there is a New Wage Increase the cost of the goods and services, to the customer, will be adjusted to reflect that.
Me too, although I have much less sympathy for the ones making $80-90,000/year.Quote: Mission146I don't like to see anyone making less money, though, so I'd hate to see that...
Quote: Mission146I'm calling foul on the basis of inapt comparison. We see Naturals paying only 6:5 in some casinos in which the full wages for the dealer are not being paid by the House. The casino nearest me, while paying 3:2 on Naturals, does only have 2x Odds and only Doubles 2&12. Other than the customary Bad Beat Jackpot, I don't recall having ever seen or heard of a special promo for poker players there. Their Free Play offers suck, and they'd don't have 99%+ VP.
That's why I'm so curious. If Korean casinos offer even half those things, and players STILL aren't expected to tip, then that makes me even more angry about the whole tipping thing in the US.
Keep in mind, I'm not denying that casinos would try to milk more money out of players if tipping were eliminated. They most definitely would. My point is that if foreign casinos are able to offer a decent game with decent rules, then that type of business model can, in fact, be successful regardless of what the naysayers (i.e., American dealers) might say.
Quote: Mission146They might, by increasing the Base Wage, and if they do, they'll also stress that the following is not expected:
A.) A Natural paying 3:2
B.) The Field tripling on anything.
C.) Offering greater than 2x Odds on Craps
D.) Special promos for Poker players.
E.) Liberally discretionarily comped buffets.
F.) Strong Free Play offers.
G.) Giveaways.
H.) Points Multiplier days.
I.) 99%+ VP.
With all due respect, this is how it works, pay the dealers more or don't pay them more...the casino tries to make the same amount of money. If you don't believe me, then you should have driven through Burger King and checked the price of Drinks the week before the most recent MW increase as opposed to the week after.
The money will come from the patron, either way, so it makes no difference.
I'm a compulsive tipper. Fully half the money I spent gambling last year went to tips. Crazy hunh?
I think at least part of why this thread exists is the attitude by dealers toward patrons who are there spending money, actually paying all of their wages.
On the list above:
A.] I quit playing bj altogether because of 6/5 payouts, and 5 deck shoes. I can't count cards I have a difficult time counting my hand.
B.]Where I play, usually Laughlin there is no triple anything
C.]Not sure exactly what that means, but same as bj, make it miserable and I'll just take up boating again.
D.] Any of the promos I get seem deceitful and misleading, mostly a gimmick so they can keep the promos
E.] The buffets I've eaten, I've paid an exorbitant price for and I'm not really sure what they are made out of, definitely not health food
F.] Free play is good as long as it's not one of those 60 for 50 phony chip deals where a five only pays even money
G.]The give aways I get are go cups that leak or some other piece of crap that I won't even take home.
H.] and I, I'm not much of a slot player.
I like to tip, but I think being gigged all the time is so tacky it puts me in a foul mood and takes away from the pleasure of gambling.
I guess my thing is the dishonesty of it. Just go ahead and charge me a fee to gamble, or if I have to pay the dealer to deal to me at least let me bring in my own dealer
I tipped the dude $5. He was very appreciative, seemed like it really made his day.
When someone tips a dealer, it's 50/50 to even get a "thank you."
Dealers have an entitlement mentality. I will never tip a dealer.
Quote: KeyserSozeDealers have an entitlement mentality.
+1
That's a great way of putting it. The more I play in Vegas, the more I despise these greedy dealers (Strip dealers, in particular).
Quote: PaigowdanFirst of all, most gambling sessisons are of a recreational nature for the player, and not of a business enterprise or income-generating nature. Similar to dining out, when we can eat at home, we want to have enjoyment and be serviced, in a polite way. [ahem...]
Secondly, some winning sessions are of a windfall profit: you hit a Royal, or go on an amazing streak. You have got to admit most sessions aren't of a "well, I made $10 on my $500, better lock that in!" nature.There are of course card-counting "grinders" seeking to obtain a small profit on a consistent basis by any means possible, but they are not a part of the recreational gambler realm who is out on the town for the night. From the grinders, we don't expect tips, just headaches, and are seldom dissapointed. Again, we get 90% of our tips from 10% of the players.
That is the spirit of a tip.
I believe if a tip is deserving for the services offered no matter how big or small. It is appreciated by the dealer accepting it.
Quote: deedubbsIf I win, I tip more. For a 2 hour winning session, I'd probably give them a green, if they were nice, otherwise $15.
many people like you will be large winners.
Quote: Lilchef62many people like you will be large winners.
That grammar is about as correct as a fortune cookie's.
Vegas is a greased palm type of town.
Some people don't like it, many of those don't grease palms as some sort of protest or simply because they are cheap.
Some people think the pendulum has swung too far and should start heading back real soon now.
Whatever variety of arguments you see about business models and sustained employment in a non-tipping environment is meaningless to Las Vegas where it is and always has been a tipping environment.
Dealers vary in income. Some at the top places make top dollar and probably do expect their tips to continue.
Same with some luggage hauling bell hops... they work hard, they get tips, they expect to do it tomorrow they don't think much about the sustained economic employment of salary-only bellhops somewhere. They work in Vegas. There is nothing like the Real World for someone who works on tips.
Some people are generous and some are stingy.
If you are on vacation and stingy, you are probably stingy at all times.
If you are on vacation and tip generously, you probably are okay at other times.
Some employers don't often reveal toke rates, but the better casinos do tend to have better toke rates and better players.
One thing I don't understand is why so many people make bets for dealers...especially parlays and sucker bets. Sure, a big payout is nice, but why put even more money up against the edge? Dealers are there to make a living, I'm the one that's there to gamble.
Clearly many people disagree with me...and making a bet for the dealer is sure better than nothing.
Quote: JimmerI consider myself a good tipper when gambling. And I definitely tip amicable dealers better.
One thing I don't understand is why so many people make bets for dealers...especially parlays and sucker bets.
I try to avoid that, too. I may put $1 on a hardway once every blue moon, but I usually just stick with a line bet for the boys.
Some dealers are also gamblers. Some are downright degenerate gamblers.Quote: Jimmer... Dealers are there to make a living, I'm the one that's there to gamble.
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Quote: beachbumbabsI tip red for good hands unless it's a great hand, then it goes up, but if the dealer says, let's play it, I change it for white and keep them in for a while. I'd rather they put it in the tip box than the till, but I let them decide; they must get bored, and that gives them a stake.
Quote: Zcore13Dealers like to play the bet with you to show you they are in this with you. They want to win when you win. Will they make a little less that way, maybe. But can they make a little more sometimes too, for sure.
A good way to maximize action on dealer bets is to let their bet ride on top of your bet, rather than placing separate bets for them.
This keeps you in control of the process, as many places force the dealer to drop all of it after the hand.
Example:
After a good shoe, I'll get $10 in white for the dealer. This becomes his/her "bankroll".
The $1 bet goes on top of my bet (instead of a separate bet).
If the hand loses, the dealer loses the $1, same as if a separate bet was placed.
If the hand wins, I throw in the $1 win for the tip box, and use the original $1 bet for another chance on the next hand.
If wins are experienced on two or more consecutive hands, the dealer has made $2+ off of the original $1.
This is certainly not new, but I do not see it practiced often.
Sharp bosses loathe this, as do lazy or ignorant dealers. But sharp dealers love it.
Quote: DJTeddyBearSome dealers are also gamblers. Some are downright degenerate gamblers.
And some can't gamble in their entire state. Welcome to Ohio, where stuff doesn't make sense.
Speaking as a dealer, I don't necessarily like that we work for tips, but the rules are the rules. If we want to change the tipping culture here, it starts with a lot more than dealers.
I know that, in some countries (Australia, for one,) tokes are not allowed. Presumably, dealers earn a living wage. And in Puerto Rico, tokes are never wagered (i.e. in Vegas, if you bet $1 on the hard 8, they may get $10 or nothing; in PR, they get $1 no matter what. I work with several dealers from PR who told me this.)
If you don't want to tip, don't tip. But if a dealer's friendly, makes the game fun, and you're winning, try to come around, will you?
Quote: rob45A good way to maximize action on dealer bets is to let their bet ride on top of your bet, rather than placing separate bets for them.
This keeps you in control of the process, as many places force the dealer to drop all of it after the hand.
Example:
After a good shoe, I'll get $10 in white for the dealer. This becomes his/her "bankroll".
The $1 bet goes on top of my bet (instead of a separate bet).
If the hand loses, the dealer loses the $1, same as if a separate bet was placed.
If the hand wins, I throw in the $1 win for the tip box, and use the original $1 bet for another chance on the next hand.
If wins are experienced on two or more consecutive hands, the dealer has made $2+ off of the original $1.
This is certainly not new, but I do not see it practiced often.
Sharp bosses loathe this, as do lazy or ignorant dealers. But sharp dealers love it.
Rob I do the same thing. If I get an inkling that the dealer is annoyed by this then I stop tipping them all together. Today when I was doing it I won the first 4 hands. I told her she will get as many tips as hands won. She was ok with it.
And really it is no more work than when 1 person is playing green while everyone else is playing red.
Quote: BuzzardI agree but I don't intend to play in Wynns. What do you think about dealers sharing tips With supervisors ?
It's silly, and it's an excuse to put more money in the boss' coffer, but it's not illegal. At this point, it's up to the dealers to say they won't stand for it - and the dealers at Caesars did so.
HWCCDealer if you are comfortable saying so what is the toke rate at HWCC? Is it a 14-day split? The reason I ask is that it seems that HSC Cleveland dealers get a ton of tokes from winning players.Quote: hwccdealerIt's silly, and it's an excuse to put more money in the boss' coffer, but it's not illegal. At this point, it's up to the dealers to say they won't stand for it - and the dealers at Caesars did so.
I was under the impression that tip sharing was to alleviate the common scenario of dealers making more income than their supervisors.Quote: hwccdealerIt's silly, and it's an excuse to put more money in the boss' coffer, but it's not illegal. At this point, it's up to the dealers to say they won't stand for it - and the dealers at Caesars did so.Quote: BuzzardI agree but I don't intend to play in Wynns. What do you think about dealers sharing tips With supervisors ?
Quote: hwccdealerIt's silly, and it's an excuse to put more money in the boss' coffer, but it's not illegal. At this point, it's up to the dealers to say they won't stand for it - and the dealers at Caesars did so.
I have very little sympathy for dealers at Caesars and the Wynn. These guys make almost twice as much as the average American, yet they b*tch & moan like they're on food stamps. Talk about "out of touch". On top of that, most of them are tip-hustling jerks who are worth nowhere near $80-90,000/year.
And I'm supposed to feel sorry for these guys? I don't think so.
Quote: teddysHWCCDealer if you are comfortable saying so what is the toke rate at HWCC? Is it a 14-day split? The reason I ask is that it seems that HSC Cleveland dealers get a ton of tokes from winning players.
It works out to about $17 an hour on top of a $4.50 flat rate. We're pretty sure there's something shady going on with the tokes, since the toke rate barely fluctuates and all the experienced dealers tell me that doesn't make sense.
We're working on a union contract that should include a toke committee, so the toke rate should be a bit more realistic after that.
Quote: rob45I was under the impression that tip sharing was to alleviate the common scenario of dealers making more income than their supervisors.Quote: hwccdealerIt's silly, and it's an excuse to put more money in the boss' coffer, but it's not illegal. At this point, it's up to the dealers to say they won't stand for it - and the dealers at Caesars did so.Quote: BuzzardI agree but I don't intend to play in Wynns. What do you think about dealers sharing tips With supervisors ?
That happens at a lot of places, including where I work (though the difference isn't close to what it is at Wynn.) Of course, there's no reason that management can't just give the supervisors a raise; it's easier than putting the dealers on salary and it will probably be more of a benefit than management tends to admit.
Quote: Beethoven9thI have very little sympathy for dealers at Caesars and the Wynn. These guys make almost twice as much as the average American, yet they b*tch & moan like they're on food stamps. Talk about "out of touch". On top of that, most of them are tip-hustling jerks who are worth nowhere near $80-90,000/year.
And I'm supposed to feel sorry for these guys? I don't think so.
It's not those guys I worry about. It's people in casinos in places like Ohio and Mississippi who need the help, but if a precedent has to be set, Vegas is probably the place to do it. The way I see it, if Vegas dealers win, it's a precedent for people in casinos who don't make Vegas money. (Granted, Vegas dealers LOST, so that sucks.)
Dealers up card is a 6.
Player A- opts to hit 5,3. Dealer says "book says double." Clueless player doubles.
Player B (me)- I double down A7. Dealer says "are you sure. you have 18, that's a good hand."
Player C- hesitating while staring at A6. Dealer says "You have 17, and I'm gonna bust, you should stand.
I know dealers do not need to know BS to do their jobs, but c'mon, hwcc dealers are the worst I've ever seen.
You should consult a multi-deck, H17, DAS chart. It will blow your mind.
Quote: KeyserSozehwcc- I play at your casino often. Dealers there are constantly giving basic strategy advice, and it's almost always wrong. This is common at most casino's, but at hwcc the advice is almost always unsolicited. Here is an example from Friday night.
Dealers up card is a 6.
Player A- opts to hit 5,3. Dealer says "book says double." Clueless player doubles.
Player B (me)- I double down A7. Dealer says "are you sure. you have 18, that's a good hand."
Player C- hesitating while staring at A6. Dealer says "You have 17, and I'm gonna bust, you should stand.
I know dealers do not need to know BS to do their jobs, but c'mon, hwcc dealers are the worst I've ever seen.
You should consult a multi-deck, H17, DAS chart. It will blow your mind.
Just out of curiosity, what time of day are you going? I work the grave shift and know a thing or two about basic strategy. Furthermore, dealers at my casino technically aren't allowed to give advice, so anyone doing so is breaking the rules.
Quote: hwccdealerJust out of curiosity, what time of day are you going? I work the grave shift and know a thing or two about basic strategy. Furthermore, dealers at my casino technically aren't allowed to give advice, so anyone doing so is breaking the rules.
Different days, different shifts. I mix it up. But I don't play graveyard too much any more- not enough tables open. I'm a wonger.
All dealers think they know a thing or two about basic strategy. I don't know who you are, so maybe you are a needle in the haystack.
I'll estimate 75% of the dealers give UNSOLICITED advice constantly. "The book says [insert wrong advice here]."
Between the advice and the nonstop voicing of the hand totals with each card dealt, it's difficult to find a game with a decent pace. I figured the pit was instructing the dealers to do these things.....now I'm really baffled.
hwcc is a very strange place.
Quote: KeyserSozeDifferent days, different shifts. I mix it up. But I don't play graveyard too much any more- not enough tables open. I'm a wonger.
All dealers think they know a thing or two about basic strategy. I don't know who you are, so maybe you are a needle in the haystack.
I'll estimate 75% of the dealers give UNSOLICITED advice constantly. "The book says [insert wrong advice here]."
Between the advice and the nonstop voicing of the hand totals with each card dealt, it's difficult to find a game with a decent pace. I figured the pit was instructing the dealers to do these things.....now I'm really baffled.
hwcc is a very strange place.
I weasel out of giving strategy. My usual excuse is, "If I tell you to do something and you do it and lose, you won't like me." If people are giving unsolicited advice, I am not aware of it, and it may be newer dealers who think they're hot stuff and don't know squat.
That said, I know to hit 16 against a 7 or more, to go 2x on any soft hand except A9 against a 6, and to split 9s except against an ace, face, or 7. But would I tell people to do that? Hell no. I'm not their daddy. If they want to double down on a hard 19 or hit a soft 20 against a 5 (both of which I've seen done, and both of which ended badly,) far be it from me to tell people that's stupid.
Quote: hwccdealerThat said, I know to hit 16 against a 7 or more, to go 2x on any soft hand except A9 against a 6, and to split 9s except against an ace, face, or 7.
This isn't correct. It's probably a good thing you don't give out strategy advice.
Quote: djatcAny way to tip a dealer directly, without having them to share it in the community toke? I hate subsidizing horrible dealers. Can't they spare a second to say, "Thank you" even if it's a dollar chip?
Write checks made out to them?
Quote: dwheatleyThis isn't correct. It's probably a good thing you don't give out strategy advice.
Those are all correct for a 6 deck H17 game.
Quote: djatcAny way to tip a dealer directly, without having them to share it in the community toke? I hate subsidizing horrible dealers. Can't they spare a second to say, "Thank you" even if it's a dollar chip?
I, too, wish there was a way to tip dealers directly. Dealers who are a-holes make me sick. Unfortunately, taking a tip directly could get a dealer fired.
Quote: djatcAny way to tip a dealer directly, without having them to share it in the community toke? I hate subsidizing horrible dealers. Can't they spare a second to say, "Thank you" even if it's a dollar chip?
I had a player who wanted to mail a purple chip to my house. I had to tell her it wasn't allowed and that I was more than happy to share with everyone else. Simply put, it could have been anyone who dealt an awesome hand; I was just fortunate to do so.
That said, even if it's a $1 toke, I always thank the player and shout the toke for others to hear.
Quote: dwheatleyThis isn't correct. It's probably a good thing you don't give out strategy advice.
At my casino, the dealer hits soft 17, the shoe is 8 decks, and there is DAS. These are all accurate for that type of game. Look it up.
Quote: hwccdealerI had a player who wanted to mail a purple chip to my house. I had to tell her it wasn't allowed and that I was more than happy to share with everyone else. Simply put, it could have been anyone who dealt an awesome hand; I was just fortunate to do so.
That said, even if it's a $1 toke, I always thank the player and shout the toke for others to hear.
What about a VISA Gift Card, would you be allowed to take one of those?
