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May 7th, 2012 at 1:01:50 AM permalink
I cant find all the info I want on video bj in vegas im hoping u frequent flyers or locals can help.

1. how prevalant are they

2. whats the bet spreads like. And lowest limit aswell as highest.

3. are they stand alone, in multi game cabinets etc..

Also if anyone knows what they use for software, rng or?

Oh i am fully aware they suck. That i know. Im just doin a little research. So if you know please tell, Or if u live there and can take a little peak for me please do.
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May 7th, 2012 at 5:19:25 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

I cant find all the info I want on video bj in vegas im hoping u frequent flyers or locals can help.

1. how prevalant are they

2. whats the bet spreads like. And lowest limit aswell as highest.

3. are they stand alone, in multi game cabinets etc..

Also if anyone knows what they use for software, rng or?

Oh i am fully aware they suck. That i know. Im just doin a little research. So if you know please tell, Or if u live there and can take a little peak for me please do.



Answers to the question:

1. They are not as prevalent as you might think. I know Riviera, Slots of Fun, MGM Grand, Caesars Palace and a few others have some of the larger machines. However, this is not as a big of a trend as it is in other markets, especially like PA and IN.

2. Usually, limits are lower than the casino's standard lowest table minimum. However, the spread is also much lower. I've seen the machines usually go around $3-200.

3. I'm referring to the new Shufflemaster machines that have a video dealer and act like real BJ. Another company produces it too, as MGM's game is different. The software they use simulates a real BJ game, though some shuffle after every hand (like continuous shuffle) and others give about 66% penetration. You can't see the "shoe" so good luck counting it.

As far as the comment about them "sucking," this is not universally true. Yes, Caesars has a TERRIBLE game that only pays 6:5 on BJ on the game, but in a few cases, it might be a BETTER game than what the casino offers. Plus, you TYPICALLY rack up points faster on those games (though that's not always true). In Tunica for example, a Shufflemaster game at Harrah's is a hair better than the actual game on the floor (at least 6-deck). Plus, points accrue at the Video Poker rate instead of the typical 45:1 at other Caesars casinos. Plus you don't have to tip a machine!

I don't like playing them for extended periods of time, and they don't replace the real thing, but they aren't always as a bad as they might appear.
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May 7th, 2012 at 6:44:39 PM permalink
Thanks sir you helped alot. I refer to them as sucky because of no AP :) Im more interested in the multy game form do you have info on that most of all how prevelant?
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May 7th, 2012 at 6:50:31 PM permalink
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Thanks sir you helped alot. I refer to them as sucky because of no AP :) Im more interested in the multy game form do you have info on that most of all how prevelant?



I think you are referring to the Multi-Attack type games, where you play 7 hands against the dealer's one?? I believe I saw that Cosmopolitan. I believe the game is produced by Bally's Gaming (slot manufacturer), so you probably should check out video poker machines by Bally's (I think). The VP games feature vibrant graphics and look much more modern than the standard Game King machines.

Personally, I don't like those, because it takes one dealer BJ to get knocked down 7 pegs!
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May 7th, 2012 at 6:55:51 PM permalink
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I think you are referring to the Multi-Attack type games, where you play 7 hands against the dealer's one?? I believe I saw that Cosmopolitan. I believe the game is produced by Bally's Gaming (slot manufacturer), so you probably should check out video poker machines by Bally's (I think). The VP games feature vibrant graphics and look much more modern than the standard Game King machines.

Personally, I don't like those, because it takes one dealer BJ to get knocked down 7 pegs!



Not exactly im lookin for single player lowest form of standard vbj. something like you would find when you belly up to the bar perhaps
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May 7th, 2012 at 7:01:30 PM permalink
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Not exactly im lookin for single player lowest form of standard vbj. something like you would find when you belly up to the bar perhaps



OKAY!!! I gotcha (and since nobody is jumping in on this, I'll help you the best I can).

Those machines are probably going to be everywhere in Vegas, and the two main manufacturers are Bally's Gaming and Game King. Game King machines are usually awful to downright unplayable. For example, the bar top games at Caesars pay 1:1 on BJ, no splits, no doubles (on ANYTHING), no surrender, no NOTHING. There is a five-card charlie that automatically wins if you draw five cards without busting. It is a theoretical single deck, but it's shuffled each time.

Those machines always pay 1:1, though some at better casinos offer split once, double on 10,11, and surrender. Where you would find those games, well I have no idea. DEFINITELY NOT at Caesars properties.

The Bally's games are slightly better, I believe they let you Double on any two cards, and usually offer surrender. The only bad thing on those is they are usually only offered at $1 or higher, where Game King you'll find at .25.
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May 7th, 2012 at 7:11:48 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

OKAY!!! I gotcha (and since nobody is jumping in on this, I'll help you the best I can).

Those machines are probably going to be everywhere in Vegas, and the two main manufacturers are Bally's Gaming and Game King. Game King machines are usually awful to downright unplayable. For example, the bar top games at Caesars pay 1:1 on BJ, no splits, no doubles (on ANYTHING), no surrender, no NOTHING. There is a five-card charlie that automatically wins if you draw five cards without busting. It is a theoretical single deck, but it's shuffled each time.

Those machines always pay 1:1, though some at better casinos offer split once, double on 10,11, and surrender. Where you would find those games, well I have no idea. DEFINITELY NOT at Caesars properties.

The Bally's games are slightly better, I believe they let you Double on any two cards, and usually offer surrender. The only bad thing on those is they are usually only offered at $1 or higher, where Game King you'll find at .25.



Yes Sireeeee thats the info I seek. Its amazing what happens when i finally ask my question right. :) And thank you

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