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EvenBob
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March 13th, 2012 at 12:08:32 AM permalink
Are you fascinated by words? I am, always have been.
I was watching a commercial where they used the word
'whopping'. I've heard the word all my life so I looked it
up. My gosh, it goes back to 13th century England and
started out meaning a thumping, to strike forcibly. It
later came to mean larger than normal, 'we caught four
whopping fish'. A whopping lie. A whopper of a lie. Burger
King makes The Whopper.

I love words..
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March 13th, 2012 at 3:44:23 AM permalink
How about "to let" as to allow. It originally meant to prevent. And to this day... it is still used as to prevent in every mortgage.
EvenBob
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March 13th, 2012 at 7:58:02 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

How about "to let" as to allow. It originally meant to prevent. .



How about a 'Room to Let' sign on a house. Let has many
uses. Let down, let in, let off, let on, let out. Archaic version
means to hinder, prevent, or obstruct. It dates to before 900 AD
in England. It also has different meanings when used in the law.
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March 13th, 2012 at 8:01:37 AM permalink
I like how "inflammable" used to mean "unflammable" and has come to mean "flammable".
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EvenBob
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March 13th, 2012 at 8:12:07 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

I like how "inflammable" used to mean "unflammable" and has come to mean "flammable".



You're right, I never thought about that. Inflammable and flammable
mean the same thing now. You have words like:

likely - unlikely

understood - misunderstood

complete - incomplete

modest - immodest

reversible - irreversible

logical - illogical

They all mean the opposite. But not flammable and
inflammable. When you add a prefix, its supposed
to change the word. Otherwise, whats the point.
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EvenBob
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March 13th, 2012 at 8:27:50 AM permalink
Sandbagging is an interesting word. It means to
hold back to gain an advantage. Its a 19th century
poker term for somebody who doesn't raise when
he has a good hand, but 'sandbags' everybody and
clobbers them at the right time. We call it check
raising now. Sandbagging comes from the docks
in England where a robber would fill a sock with
sand and use it to knock victims unconscious.
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March 13th, 2012 at 8:45:04 AM permalink
And why do people park in driveways, but drive on parkways?
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March 13th, 2012 at 9:40:06 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

I like how "inflammable" used to mean "unflammable" and has come to mean "flammable".



I'm very sure that's not the case. The dictionary doesn't help much, but inflammable comes from a latin word meaning "to inflame." And "inflame" emans "to kindle" and also "to arouse passions." In any case, there are other related words, all with meanings related to light a fire or to swell, or to arouse passions, such as "inflamatory" and "inflamation."

But let's see what Paco has to say.
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EvenBob
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March 13th, 2012 at 10:19:45 AM permalink
Look at the term 'four flusher'. It means a phony,
a scammer. Its a 19th century poker term. If you
had 4 cards of one suit, and tried to pretend you had
a 5 card flush to scare off the other players, you
were a scoundrel, a four flusher.
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March 13th, 2012 at 10:23:21 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

I'm very sure that's not the case. The dictionary doesn't help much, but inflammable comes from a latin word meaning "to inflame." And "inflame" emans "to kindle" and also "to arouse passions." In any case, there are other related words, all with meanings related to light a fire or to swell, or to arouse passions, such as "inflamatory" and "inflamation."

But let's see what Paco has to say.



http://www.etymonline.com is your friend for all these fun inquiries. It's from Lation: inflammare, which means "to set on fire, kindle," figuratively "to rouse, excite,"
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March 13th, 2012 at 11:11:00 AM permalink
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Obviously Influx, Inflow, Inflame, inbred, the prefix means "in".
ON other cases like Invalid, Inadequate, Incapable, Indecent, Inoffensive the prefix means "not"

Unlike the prefix "un-" in English which always means negation: unlovable, unkind, unknown, .. the prefix "in-" sometimes is negation and sometimes is intensification or inward. Also "in-" could be "il-", or "im-" depending on the consonant that follows. In the case of Latin words passed through French, the are sometimes "en-". The ambiguity in meaning seems to be very old, because Latin impressus could mean "pressed" or "unpressed."

Sometimes the root word was changed. The opposite of inept is apt.
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March 13th, 2012 at 11:19:15 AM permalink
Just remeber almost half of our words are derived from the Greek origins! :)
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March 13th, 2012 at 12:10:38 PM permalink
Sigh. Leave it to facts to ruin a good story!
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EvenBob
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March 13th, 2012 at 2:27:51 PM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

the prefix "in-" sometimes is negation and sometimes is intensification or inward.



You can tend the garden, but not intend. A stressful
situation can be tense or intense. But you can't be
sane and insane at the same time.
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March 13th, 2012 at 6:40:24 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Are you fascinated by words? I am, always have been.
I was watching a commercial where they used the word
'whopping'. I've heard the word all my life so I looked it
up. My gosh, it goes back to 13th century England and
started out meaning a thumping, to strike forcibly. It
later came to mean larger than normal, 'we caught four
whopping fish'. A whopping lie. A whopper of a lie. Burger
King makes The Whopper.

I love words..



A whopper is also a big lie, in English slang at least. From the obvious root of 'telling a whopping lie'.

Yeah, I love etymology, but even more so, etymology of place names.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
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March 13th, 2012 at 7:11:47 PM permalink
One of my favorite quips about word origins, which I hope I have not previously posted....

There is a lovely shade of yellow that we call "canary". We get that name, of course, from the small bird that has a similar color.
Why are the birds called a canaries? Because they were originally found and are prevalent on the Canary Islands.
Why do those islands have that name? Because "canis" is the Latin for "dog", and the islands had large numbers of wild dogs.
To summarize, that lovely color is really named for a dog, perhaps Old Yeller.
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