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SOOPOO
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February 19th, 2012 at 2:58:46 PM permalink
Ken has been posting prolifically of late, and the premise of most of his posts is that his 'expertise' at roulette has allowed him to routinely beat the casino and its supposed 5.26% edge. On a personal note, I have offerred to watch Ken play, either on one of my trips to Vegas, or here in Niagara Falls, just to see him in action. Dinner would be on me. I do not think I have ever watched anyone I know play roulette, as all of my friends have a basic understanding of math and would not play. So, my question to the forum... knowing the fact that most internet assertions require no proof, nor can they be proven untrue... does anyone here really think Ken is ahead in his lifetime of 'thousands?' of hours of double zero roulette?
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February 19th, 2012 at 3:09:37 PM permalink
Yes, I fear that the obvious conclusion is the one that should properly be drawn. If he is willing to post umpteen zillion times then he should be willing to show up for a free dinner.

I, quite some time ago, found a chap on Twitter who each day Twittered his Table Games results. To my knowledge he had no seminar or system to sell. At length I found out that he did indeed sell a system but refused to be observed playing it and for those who failed to obtain his stellar results he merely offered staggeringly high consultation lessons.

Eventually, it all comes to light or else it never existed in the first place.
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February 19th, 2012 at 3:24:21 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

. does anyone here really think Ken is ahead in his lifetime of 'thousands?' of hours of double zero roulette?



I happen to know he is. I've known him for 6 years
and we didn't get along at all at first. But he does
come out ahead every month and he does play and
practice a lot. I'm sure if you went to the casino where
he plays he'd let you watch. Its almost as exciting as
watching glue set, but hey, its roulette.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
mrjjj
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February 19th, 2012 at 3:24:48 PM permalink
So for the record, the GG board here has started another 'down with Ken' thread. Not a big deal, just pointing it out.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 3:26:28 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I happen to know he is. I've known him for 6 years
and we didn't get along at all at first. But he does
come out ahead every month and he does play and
practice a lot. I'm sure if you went to the casino where
he plays he'd let you watch. Its almost as exciting as
watching glue set, but hey, its roulette.



He just may have the gift of luck and not have a lot of losing sessions.
mrjjj
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February 19th, 2012 at 3:37:10 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Ken has been posting prolifically of late, and the premise of most of his posts is that his 'expertise' at roulette has allowed him to routinely beat the casino and its supposed 5.26% edge. On a personal note, I have offerred to watch Ken play, either on one of my trips to Vegas, or here in Niagara Falls, just to see him in action. Dinner would be on me. I do not think I have ever watched anyone I know play roulette, as all of my friends have a basic understanding of math and would not play. So, my question to the forum... knowing the fact that most internet assertions require no proof, nor can they be proven untrue... does anyone here really think Ken is ahead in his lifetime of 'thousands?' of hours of double zero roulette?



"Ken has been posting prolifically of late" >>> Didn't you leave something out? How many of those posts was I RESPONDING to other posts? You didn't mention that. I thought this was the math board here? If there are 40 posts with my name in it or attacking me, there will be 40 posts in return, seems kind of simple.

"his 'expertise' at roulette has allowed him to routinely beat the casino and its supposed 5.26% edge" >>> How many arguments in this? (lol)
A) Expertise?
B) Routinely?
C) Beat?
D) Casino?

"I have offerred to watch Ken play, either on one of my trips to Vegas, or here in Niagara Falls, just to see him in action" >>> I'm yet again answering the SAME question over and over.....I will not be in LV or N Falls and if you watched and I failed, that means what? You would have to tag along for a month. As much as I dislike the AP (cough) goofs, I cant even judge them on ONE day of doing poorly, that wouldn't be fair to them.

"all of my friends have a basic understanding of math and would not play" >>> and the total amount of time put into this game would be around what? 17 hours?

(lol) Plus the cool books they read.

"Does anyone here really think Ken is ahead in his lifetime of 'thousands?' of hours of double zero roulette?" >>> Careful with your question. Thousands of hours studying/testing/playing?....or 'ahead' (net) after thousands of hours, those are two different questions.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 3:45:11 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I happen to know he is. I've known him for 6 years
and we didn't get along at all at first. But he does
come out ahead every month and he does play and
practice a lot. I'm sure if you went to the casino where
he plays he'd let you watch. Its almost as exciting as
watching glue set, but hey, its roulette.




....and as you were watching, you might drift off and play some slots, its that boring. Betting 1-3 numbers (depending on the method), my bets are down within 5 seconds, literally. Then I wait and wait for everyone else to get done. I have to say, there are some benefits to playing airball roulette.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 3:46:55 PM permalink
Quote: kmumf

He just may have the gift of luck and not have a lot of losing sessions.



Knowing what NOT to do (over the years) is MUCH MORE important than knowing what to do/when to bet it etc. Trial & error, I cant say it enough.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 3:53:30 PM permalink
all I have to say is that if you honestly think that your betting strategy is the reason you are ahead, then you sir are a fool.

It is quite possible you could be ahead. For instance, I could place 1 bet on roulette for 1 million dollars, win, and then continue to play the game at a 5 dollar minimum. I would be ahead for quite a while before I found myself behind.

However there is no "fool proof" system that would allow you to consistently come out a winner.
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February 19th, 2012 at 3:53:40 PM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

So for the record, the GG board here has started another 'down with Ken' thread. Not a big deal, just pointing it out.

Ken

What's a "GG board" ?
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February 19th, 2012 at 4:07:03 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

What's a "GG board" ?



The current board (or should I say dead board) that Brian owns, Gamblers Glen. Back in the day, it was LOADED with arguments and fighting etc.

If you're gonna act like a GG board, the name stands as a GG board.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 4:09:09 PM permalink
Quote: Triplell

all I have to say is that if you honestly think that your betting strategy is the reason you are ahead, then you sir are a fool.

It is quite possible you could be ahead. For instance, I could place 1 bet on roulette for 1 million dollars, win, and then continue to play the game at a 5 dollar minimum. I would be ahead for quite a while before I found myself behind.

However there is no "fool proof" system that would allow you to consistently come out a winner.




....and you sir are a sucker for falling into the TRAP that you can not do 'well' with this game because someone told you so.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 4:25:22 PM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

So for the record, the GG board here has started another 'down with Ken' thread. Not a big deal, just pointing it out.


I don't think it is a down with you thread. I think it is a put your money where your mouth is..... nothing wrong with that.

Stop playing the victim card.
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February 19th, 2012 at 4:38:07 PM permalink
As a person with a degree in Engineering and a strong math background, I would say you are a sucker for convincing yourself that you could somehow statistically come out ahead on a game where the house only pays out 95% of the true odds.

Like I said, the only way you could possible be ahead would be due to some small sample variance.
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February 19th, 2012 at 4:42:23 PM permalink
I think the thread title may be missing a "j."
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mrjjj
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February 19th, 2012 at 4:43:24 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

I don't think it is a down with you thread. I think it is a put your money where your mouth is..... nothing wrong with that.

Stop playing the victim card.




Wrong answer coolbreeze AND I did say...."not a big deal".

Also, if I have to show proof, then everyone else has to as well, correct? Same rule for everyone.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 4:44:42 PM permalink
Quote: Triplell

As a person with a degree in Engineering and a strong math background, I would say you are a sucker for convincing yourself that you could somehow statistically come out ahead on a game where the house only pays out 95% of the true odds.

Like I said, the only way you could possible be ahead would be due to some small sample variance.




I respect your OPINION sir, have yourself a great week.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 4:45:13 PM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

Wrong answer coolbreeze AND I did say...."not a big deal".

Also, if I have to show proof, then everyone else has to as well, correct? Same rule for everyone.

Ken


Coolbreeze?... wow.

I agree, everyone should show proof. Next.

It isn't a big deal. But you sure play the passive aggressive victim card very well. Just man up and stop with the bro's,coolbreezes, hotshots, and bro's (oh wait I said that twice).

Best of luck.
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February 19th, 2012 at 4:51:32 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

Coolbreeze?... wow.

I agree, everyone should show proof. Next.

It isn't a big deal. But you sure play the passive aggressive victim card very well. Just man up and stop with the bro's,coolbreezes, hotshots, and bro's (oh wait I said that twice).

Best of luck.



"passive aggressive" >>> Dont be so vague, this means what, exactly?

I'll post however I so choose, if you dont like it, dont respond. Problem solved on your end, correct?

"everyone should show proof" >>> Soooo, if others have posted that they made 'X' number of dollars, can I assume you have replied and said......please show us PROOF that you made some money? Wait, let me guess, that rule is only for me. (lol)

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 5:34:09 PM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

The current board (or should I say dead board) that Brian owns, Gamblers Glen. Back in the day, it was LOADED with arguments and fighting etc.

If you're gonna act like a GG board, the name stands as a GG board.

Ken

I suppose I could ask who you're talking about, but I really don't care.

So instead, I'll just point out that there's nobody here named Brian.
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February 19th, 2012 at 5:37:56 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I suppose I could ask who you're talking about, but I really don't care.

So instead, I'll just point out that there's nobody here named Brian.




(lol).....Yes I know there is nobody here named Brian. Its not WHO, its the WHAT. The GG board is a f**k up, I'll leave it at that.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 6:26:49 PM permalink
Yo mrjjj

Is your way of playing roulette something you discovered on your own? Or did you purchase your method? Or...is it a combination of different roulette methods? Just curious. I believe you are ahead and I believe there are methods of play that can leave players ahead over a lifetime.
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February 19th, 2012 at 6:36:44 PM permalink
Quote: JamieV

Yo mrjjj

Is your way of playing roulette something you discovered on your own? Or did you purchase your method? Or...is it a combination of different roulette methods? Just curious. I believe you are ahead and I believe there are methods of play that can leave players ahead over a lifetime.



I guess 'discovered' is the correct word, tough question. I more or less see it as trial & error. We can sit here and post hundreds of examples of how a person has learned something ONLY BECAUSE of past failings. I know this, you can not continue to bet the same way over and over again and think the outcomes will magically get better.

No, I have not purchased a method. Over time, yes, you'll find that combining different ideas (that work) from other methods into ONE method is really what I study most. I compare it to a stew, different ingredients, a mixture. I've always wondered, can thinking outside the box be taught? I think no but I could be wrong on that.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 7:26:44 PM permalink
A system that is successful is successful if it makes money. The 5.26% HA cannot be changed.

However, you can easily beat the house simply through variance.

Plug this into a binomial calculator: $10 roulette, single number, over 8,316 trials, what is the probability that you will have 231 wins or more? (231 wins x 35 - 8085). Well, it's 19.22%. What are the odds of being ahead $1,080 or more ($10 on a single number) - about 14.21%?

Second bet, $5 bet x 3 numbers, 8,316 trials, 693 wins or more (693 wins x 33 - 7623 x 3). That works out to 6.72% of breaking even or better.

8,316 trials is once a week, 4 hours a week, 40 spins an hour, 52 weeks a year.

So yeah, it's possible to beat roulette. You just have to be lucky. At that point, you can claim that your system of betting the latest numbers is successful because well, you had success with that method. And when you're betting single numbers rather than red / black, you've got a better chance to beat the variance over the longer run.

Whatever, we've had this argument before.
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February 19th, 2012 at 7:28:31 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I suppose I could ask who you're talking about, but I really don't care.


Gambler's Glen
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February 19th, 2012 at 7:31:39 PM permalink
"when you're betting single numbers rather than red / black, you've got a better chance to beat the variance over the longer run" >>> That would be me. I did the red/black thing when I was a rookie. I couldn't make it work so I moved on, trial & error.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 7:36:50 PM permalink
Mrjjj

If your bets are not involving red\black odd\even or columns then that is quite impressive sir! At least tell me you track the wheel while you are playing?
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:01:23 PM permalink
Quote: JamieV

Mrjjj

If your bets are not involving red\black odd\even or columns then that is quite impressive sir! At least tell me you track the wheel while you are playing?




My current most successful method, I track the last 60 hit.....layout and the wheel.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:17:36 PM permalink
Keep on winning!
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:19:51 PM permalink
Quote: JamieV

Keep on winning!




I'll do my best and thanks.

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February 19th, 2012 at 8:20:26 PM permalink
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I'll post however I so choose, if you dont like it, dont respond. ?


Please do. It's comical. And I'll respond to whatever I want. It's my opinion. Just like yours right? Problem solved on your end now isn't it.
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:22:42 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

Please do. It's comical. And I'll respond to whatever I want. It's my opinion. Just like yours right? Problem solved on your end now isn't it.




Bored tonight? Looking for trouble GG guy? (lol)

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February 19th, 2012 at 8:24:24 PM permalink
I'm going on RECORD (second time today)....out of left field, attack after attack from this guy. So I dont want to hear....."why so many posts Ken"?

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:27:46 PM permalink
Hey post as much as you want. But you still haven't shown where I"ve attacked you. If you can't pull up proof, stop wasting your own time. Quote it. Where have I "attacked" you?

Edit: Also, posting about some message board, I've never heard of....doesn't really make any sense to anyone except you. Not saying that you should stop posting GG this and GG that, but you're the only one that gets it, so its effect is diminished. Just some advice.
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:30:31 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

Hey post as much as you want. But you still haven't shown where I"ve attacked you. If you can't pull up proof, stop wasting your own time. Quote it. Where have I "attacked" you?




Do you have a point? I ask because I'm not sure why you are not at other threads, stirring the pot. You did NOT pick my name out of a hat. Are you showing the board how tough you are or something? (lol)

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:32:02 PM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

Do you have a point?



My point is your faking this "attacking me" card. Because I'm certainly not attacking you. And you still can't post a quote of such an "attack". And until you do, the only person trying to act tough, is you.
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:36:26 PM permalink
It was annoying enough on one thread, now you have a second thread running.
Get some psychiatric attention....
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:39:19 PM permalink
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It was annoying enough on one thread, now you have a second thread running.
Get some psychiatric attention....




This is for who? I am getting slammed on another thread and YEP, I will respond.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:40:56 PM permalink
Dude, no one is slamming you. Most people are just asking you questions, like me. You just choose not to answer them.

Quote:

I am getting slammed...


Yet another Victim card, "Oh woe is me" statement. Get over it already.
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:41:17 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

My point is your faking this "attacking me" card. Because I'm certainly not attacking you. And you still can't post a quote of such an "attack". And until you do, the only person trying to act tough, is you.



Again, your mission is what? Should we all grab a pencil/paper and jot down notes from you? Dont tell me, you also cant win at the casino and you are currently venting. (lol) Take a walk rookie.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:42:31 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

Dude, no one is slamming you. Most people are just asking you questions, like me. You just choose not to answer them.


Yet another Victim card, "Oh woe is me" statement. Get over it already.



Lets clear the air. Post 500 times in reference to me and you'll get 500 in return (maybe not all tonight)

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:45:55 PM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

Again, your mission is what? Should we all grab a pencil/paper and jot down notes from you? Dont tell me, you also cant win at the casino and you are currently venting. (lol) Take a walk rookie.



Again the only person attacking anyone is you. Again, I'm not calling you names yet you continue to call me names. Where have I attacked you? If you can't post an attack, than you are just blowing hot air.

Who said anything about a casino? Changing the subject huh? Passive Aggressive 101. I'm done unless you can point out how I or anyone else is attacking you. Someone was right earlier, seek psychiatric help, you seem very paranoid.
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:50:13 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

Again the only person attacking anyone is you. Again, I'm not calling you names yet you continue to call me names. Where have I attacked you? If you can't post an attack, than you are just blowing hot air.

Who said anything about a casino? Changing the subject huh? Passive Aggressive 101. I'm done unless you can point out how I or anyone else is attacking you. Someone was right earlier, seek psychiatric help, you seem very paranoid.



Wrong answer. You are HERE stirring the pot. You can disguise it anyway you choose. You are TRYING (lol) to get under my skin, good luck with that BTW. Many have tried, all have failed.

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:50:50 PM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

Wrong answer. You are HERE stirring the pot. You can disguise it anyway you choose. You are TRYING (lol) to get under my skin, good luck with that BTW. Many have tried, all have failed.



??? I'm not trying to get under your skin. I'm just wondering why you think I'm attacking you.
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:52:49 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

??? I'm not trying to get under your skin. I'm just wondering why you think I'm attacking you.




Soooo, we have different definitions for 'attacking' I guess? (lol)

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:54:26 PM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

Soooo, we have different definitions for 'attacking' I guess?


I don't know. You won't quote a post that you define as attacking, so how could we tell if our definitions our different?
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:57:06 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

I don't know. You won't quote a post that you define as attacking, so how could we tell if our definitions our different?



Isn't the very FACT that you continue hounding me, as an attack? You never did answer....did you choose my name out of a hat for tonight?

(ok, your turn)

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 9:03:19 PM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

Isn't the very FACT that you continue hounding me, as an attack? You never did answer....did you choose my name out of a hat for tonight?

(ok, your turn)



No I did not.

And I'm only asking you one question, which you still haven't answered, what did you consider, originally, an attack. How is asking you one question, and you failing to answer it, hounding you. Stop avoiding it, and just answer the question. Or don't. It's really up to you.
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February 19th, 2012 at 9:08:59 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

No I did not.

And I'm only asking you one question, which you still haven't answered, what did you consider, originally, an attack. How is asking you one question, and you failing to answer it, hounding you. Stop avoiding it, and just answer the question. Or don't. It's really up to you.



Actually I did ("the very FACT that you continue hounding me"), so ask again and I'll answer the same again. You won't wear me down, you can trust me on that one. Are in charge of the 'gang like' tactics squad? (lol)

Ken
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February 19th, 2012 at 9:11:18 PM permalink
So if you did NOT choose my name out of a hat....why the two threads, why me? Its rhetorical, just want to see what you'll say.

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