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October 14th, 2012 at 7:44:06 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob



I want to ask you an honest question. If this was
a man that you bet with and he treated you like
HB has, would you still honor the bet?



HB's gender has nothing to do with the bet, or me paying it off if she meets the terms.
A BET IS A BET! GEEZ!
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October 14th, 2012 at 7:44:18 PM permalink
Quote: FarFromVegas

News flash: they don't care what you think about it. You're too invested in some internet strangers' lives.



How many messages, SooPoo have you had from EvenBob begging you not to pay off a bet? How many? Just curious... I think people have a right to gauge how much Bob cares about this subject.
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October 14th, 2012 at 7:46:29 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

How many messages, SooPoo have you had from EvenBob begging you not to pay off a bet? How many? Just curious... I think people have a right to gauge how much Bob cares about this subject.



Well... it's less than 1000. I think....


Probably 100 or so, but I delete them shortly after i get them.
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October 14th, 2012 at 7:47:34 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You just made me laugh out loud. Do you
actually think that I even consider whether
they care or don't care? We post for ourselves
on these forums, I learned that 50,000 posts
ago in 1992.



Sending numerous PMs begging him not to pay her is a bit much, though. I think you seriously lack perspective on this.

That's what I mean by having to get your way. Face it: YOU are trying to be as controlling as you're accusing others of being.

Deep breath, lower blood pressure, back away, sleep soundly. It will be over in 3 days.
Each of us is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts. Preparing for a fight about your bad decision is not as smart as making a good decision.
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October 14th, 2012 at 7:51:35 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO


A BET IS A BET!



Wrong. I can't make a bet with you and
then make up rules as we go along that
you have to obey, and still expect to get
paid if I win. It would work both ways,
you should be able to make up rules too.
If prop bets worked that way, they would
never get paid because of the silliness that
would insue.

You make up a rule that I have to obey? OK,
my rule is, if I have to do that you don't
get paid. Simple, no?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
EvenBob
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October 14th, 2012 at 7:52:23 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO




Probably 100 or so, but I delete them shortly after i get them.



Dang, I was going to say post them.
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October 14th, 2012 at 7:54:40 PM permalink
Quote: FarFromVegas

Sending numerous PMs begging him not to pay her is a bit much, though.



Luckily, I don't have to have your permission for
anything. I believe very strongly in this, I'm
very passionate about him not paying her. Its just
wrong, who died and made her queen of the bet.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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October 14th, 2012 at 7:55:23 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You just made me laugh out loud. Do you
actually think that I even consider whether
they care or don't care? We post for ourselves
on these forums, I learned that 50,000 posts
ago in 1992.



You do care what SooPoo does, else you wouldn't campaign for him to cancel a bet.

Keep thrashing Bob, keep thrashing. Your little dance here is quite amusing.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
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October 14th, 2012 at 7:59:49 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

The key to beating Tyson in that game is twofold:

1. You have to snap-back from dodging his super punches -- that is, as soon as you dodge, instead of waiting for the game to bring you back to center, you immediately go back to center yourself by pressing the opposite direction on the pad. This gives you enough time to counter-punch enough to knock him down eventually.

2. You sometimes have to start dodging before Tyson actually swings, since he is so fast.



+1
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October 14th, 2012 at 7:59:51 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Luckily, I don't have to have your permission for
anything. I believe very strongly in this, I'm
very passionate about him not paying her. Its just
wrong, who died and made her queen of the bet.



It's the HotBlonde Challenge. Not the EvenBob Challenge. You don't need to have my permission and they don't need yours.

I'm trying to help you get over this. He IS going to pay. You need to come to terms with that. Or buy lots of Tums. The end.
Each of us is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts. Preparing for a fight about your bad decision is not as smart as making a good decision.
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October 14th, 2012 at 8:07:07 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

You do care what SooPoo does, else you wouldn't campaign for him to cancel a bet.



But I don't consider if anybody cares when I
post. You can't, it will drive you crazy. Every
author worth his salt says you have to write
for your own edification. Even posts.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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October 14th, 2012 at 8:08:28 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

But I don't consider if anybody cares when I
post. You can't, it will drive you crazy. Every
author worth his salt says you have to write
for your own edification. Even posts.



Hopefully you got some great edification out of that post, then.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
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October 14th, 2012 at 8:09:25 PM permalink
Quote: FarFromVegas

It's the HotBlonde Challenge. .



So? You really are grasping at straws. If I
make a bet with you that says you can eat
only so many cookies, that doesn't mean
you own the bet and can make up rules that
I have to follow. Get real.
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October 14th, 2012 at 8:11:14 PM permalink
I've said this before and I'll say it again:

To the best of my comprehension, SOOPOO's presence at the weigh-in is only necessitated by The Wiz's lack of presence at same. If The Wiz is there, then SOOPOO does not have to be there. Whether or not SOOPOO would want to go there against HB's wishes is entirely his affair and look-out if it is a public venue.

If it appeases you at all, EB, I believe SOOPOO once said that if The Wiz was not there and he (SOOPOO) was not permitted to attend, then he would not pay the bet. I can see both sides of that one, but that shall not be the case.
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EvenBob
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October 14th, 2012 at 8:16:15 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Whether or not SOOPOO would want to go there against HB's wishes is entirely his affair



That really has noting to do with anything, the
forest is blinding your view of the tree. Its the
fact that she can't make up ANY rule and demand
it be fulfilled and still expect to be paid. If she can
do it, he can do it. And HIS rule should be, I'm banned?
No money.
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FarFromVegas
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October 14th, 2012 at 8:20:09 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So? You really are grasping at straws. If I
make a bet with you that says you can eat
only so many cookies, that doesn't mean
you own the bet and can make up rules that
I have to follow. Get real.



Well, for a cookie bet, I'd make the rule it can't be Oreos, or the bet is off. I don't like Oreos.

But it wouldn't be anyone else's business what the rules are, especially those not involved with the bet. You didn't make the rules; you didn't make a bet, they Do. Not. Care. what you think of their rules or when they changed because your opinion has no bearing on the challenge in any way, shape or form. In this matter, you are completely impotent (and, yes; it was fun typing that :P) The sooner you deal with that reality, the happier you will be. And they'll be happier because you'll stop PMing them your demands. And we'll hold hands around the campfire and sing Kumbaya.
Each of us is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts. Preparing for a fight about your bad decision is not as smart as making a good decision.
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October 14th, 2012 at 8:21:12 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I've said this before and I'll say it again:

To the best of my comprehension, SOOPOO's presence at the weigh-in is only necessitated by The Wiz's lack of presence at same. If The Wiz is there, then SOOPOO does not have to be there. Whether or not SOOPOO would want to go there against HB's wishes is entirely his affair and look-out if it is a public venue.

If it appeases you at all, EB, I believe SOOPOO once said that if The Wiz was not there and he (SOOPOO) was not permitted to attend, then he would not pay the bet. I can see both sides of that one, but that shall not be the case.



Correct. I will not attend unless HB would want me to be there. Since Mike has committed to being present my presence is not required. And Bob, HB has never once changed a term of the bet. The terms are clear, and have not been changed from the beginning, despite your baseless assertions.

"HB wins the bet if she is 160.8 lbs or less on October 17, 2012. The weigh in will be witnessed by either Mike or me. She must attest that she has taken no diuretics, and has had no weight loss surgery." That's it. Period.
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October 14th, 2012 at 8:26:46 PM permalink
Quote: FarFromVegas



But it wouldn't be anyone else's business what the rules are,



Then you shouldn't have made it a PUBLIC
BET! You can't make every nuace of a bet
public, and then demand we're not to care
about it. You do see that, right?
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FarFromVegas
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October 14th, 2012 at 8:32:41 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Then you shouldn't have made it a PUBLIC
BET! You can't make every nuace of a bet
public, and then demand we're not to care
about it. You do see that, right?



You can care all you want, but they do not have to accede to your wishes. They can move the weigh in to Oklahoma at 11:38 am on Tuesday if all bettors agreed. But you are not a bettor, so what you think doesn't have any bearing on anything.
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October 14th, 2012 at 8:33:59 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

And Bob, HB has never once changed a term of the bet.



Doesn't matter. You can't dictate rules to
the other person once the bet has started.
If you can do that, I can do it too. Where
would it end? Bob, you can't come to the
bar where the bet will be paid off.

Oh really? If I have to do that, you have
to go to a bar in Texas to collect if I lose.

Then you demand you'll mail my payoff
to a bar in Alaska if you lose.

It would go on and on. You can't do that
in a prop bet. I wish now I'd made that
presidential bet with you. I'd have demands
up the ying yang and you'd still pay?

Yowsa...
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October 14th, 2012 at 8:56:21 PM permalink
My two cents is that the bet is more important that the details of how the payment is made. I think that HB should have let SOOPOO pay in person, but I also think that given that she chose not to, SOOPOO should be a gentleman and pay anyway through a third party (probably me). In general, I think that the person owed money should make it as convenient as possible for the payer to pay. In my consulting business, I never make it difficult to get a payment to me. Again, that is secondary to the sanctity of the bet.
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October 14th, 2012 at 8:59:04 PM permalink
In my defense, after going thru my PM's that
I've sent since May, only 21 were to Soopoo.
And they weren't all about HB. This thing
about being banned came in what, July?
Aug? I would guess maybe 8-10 involved
him not paying her, not 100. He was exagerating
for effect. It only seemd like 100.
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October 14th, 2012 at 9:06:14 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

SOOPOO should be a gentleman and pay anyway



So if I make a demand on you in a prop
bet that you have to stand on one leg at the
payoff until I pay you, or I'll call the cops,
you would do that? Why? What right do I
have to put conditions on you after the bet
is made?

The bottom line is, what gives either person
in a bet the right to make demands after the bet is made?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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October 14th, 2012 at 10:20:44 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So if I make a demand on you in a prop
bet that you have to stand on one leg at the
payoff until I pay you, or I'll call the cops,
you would do that? Why? What right do I
have to put conditions on you after the bet
is made?

The bottom line is, what gives either person
in a bet the right to make demands after the bet is made?



I get your anger Bob, she is annoying and likes attention and making demands makes her more the center of attention which feeds ones ego. Did they ever weigh her in at the beginning or are they just going off of some pictures with a ransom newspaper next to it? If Sopoo is cool with it and has a trusted proxy then it doesnt really matter
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October 14th, 2012 at 10:28:37 PM permalink
Quote: Scotty71

then it doesnt really matter



Its the principle of the thing. Never heard that
before?
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October 14th, 2012 at 10:40:18 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The bottom line is, what gives either person in a bet the right to make demands after the bet is made?



I think you're taking my point to a ridiculous extreme (there is a debate term for this, but I forget what it is). This argument is also moot because SOOPOO has agreed to pay somehow.

What are we all going to talk about after this is over?
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October 14th, 2012 at 10:42:14 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Its the principle of the thing. Never heard that
before?


indeed I understand speaking up for "it's principality of the matter smokie!" (what movie and who said it?)
Do you think its because HB is hiding lap band scars from Dr. SOOPOO or will be visibly strung out on the meth diet? I ask this genuinely because you dont have a dog in the fight beyond exposing any fraud as a good citizen.
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October 14th, 2012 at 10:54:57 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think you're taking my point to a ridiculous extreme



What, you can't stand on one leg for longer
than a few minutes? Thanks for the tip, I
know the demand to make in our next prop
bet..

And I can balance a broom on my finger for
a very long time..
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October 14th, 2012 at 11:00:13 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

And I can balance a broom on my finger for
a very long time..



Not as long as I can balance a pool cue on mine.
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October 14th, 2012 at 11:06:19 PM permalink
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October 14th, 2012 at 11:11:30 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Now as long as I can balance a pool cue on mine.



Big end or small end?
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October 14th, 2012 at 11:23:22 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think you're taking my point to a ridiculous extreme (there is a debate term for this, but I forget what it is). This argument is also moot because SOOPOO has agreed to pay somehow.

What are we all going to talk about after this is over?



Reductio ad absurdum - reduction to absurdity, but also a straw man.

...

Sending 22 messages trying to get someone to welch on a bet... one wonders what other little habits they have.
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October 15th, 2012 at 1:29:02 AM permalink
There's a threshold with any debt where I'd say "fine, if you want to be stiffed that badly...."

HB is nowhere near that point, and even if she were, I wouldn't be encouraging SOOPOO to make that call, but only admire if he didn't.

I hope HB keeps the weight off, and I expect she'll keep most of it off, but honestly, establishing a "finish line" is never good. People who are unduly optimistic about her chances are only doing her harm.
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October 15th, 2012 at 5:21:49 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think you're taking my point to a ridiculous extreme (there is a debate term for this, but I forget what it is). This argument is also moot because SOOPOO has agreed to pay somehow.

What are we all going to talk about after this is over?



Reduction ad absurdum.
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October 15th, 2012 at 7:35:27 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think you're taking my point to a ridiculous extreme (there is a debate term for this, but I forget what it is). This argument is also moot because SOOPOO has agreed to pay somehow.

What are we all going to talk about after this is over?



Argumento ad nauseam.
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October 15th, 2012 at 7:47:50 AM permalink
Let's try this:

Bob, you are NOT welcome at the weigh-in (says me).

Now you have a stake in the matter, so hopefully you'll STFU :)
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October 15th, 2012 at 8:13:41 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

What are we all going to talk about after this is over?



Perhaps "Hot Blonde Challenge 2": whether she will regain 10 pounds a month and return to her former"glory" within 9 months.
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October 15th, 2012 at 8:35:40 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Perhaps "Hot Blonde Challenge 2": whether she will regain 10 pounds a month and return to her former"glory" within 9 months.



Nah--it should have something to do with EvenBob--he's feeling left out. Maybe seeing how long he can go without posting?

I'd put the over/under at 72 hours, though.
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October 15th, 2012 at 9:32:54 AM permalink
Quote: FarFromVegas

Nah--it should have something to do with EvenBob--he's feeling left out. Maybe seeing how long he can go without posting? I'd put the over/under at 72 hours, though.



Bob says he doesn't care what we think of his posts, he says he posts (only) for himself (whatever THAT means).

Hmmm ... sounds like a form of mental masturbation.

How does he keep those keyboard keys from sticking?
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October 15th, 2012 at 11:35:53 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit


Sending 22 messages trying to get someone to welch on a bet... one wonders what other little habits they have.



Is reading difficult for you? I said that was since May,
long before HB banned him from the weigh in. I would
guess the PM's I sent regarding that was around 10,
spread over 3 months time.
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October 15th, 2012 at 11:36:36 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Sending 22 messages trying to get someone to welch on a bet... one wonders what other little habits they have.



Padding their post count?
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October 15th, 2012 at 11:39:28 AM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo



I hope HB keeps the weight off, and I expect she'll keep most of it off,



Interesting. What are you basing that on?

I fully expect she'll gain it all back plus more,
considering that whats 95% of the people who
lose weight do. She has demonstrated no traits
that lead me to believe otherwise, other than it
takes cash to give her the incentive to motivate
her. And that well is about to dry up.
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October 15th, 2012 at 12:06:02 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

My two cents is that the bet is more important that the details of how the payment is made. I think that HB should have let SOOPOO pay in person, but I also think that given that she chose not to, SOOPOO should be a gentleman and pay anyway through a third party (probably me). In general, I think that the person owed money should make it as convenient as possible for the payer to pay. In my consulting business, I never make it difficult to get a payment to me. Again, that is secondary to the sanctity of the bet.

I had no intent on making it hard for SOOPOO to pay me. I just didn't want him around me. Per our trip together in April of this year both he and I spent numerous times with the Wizard and other forum members. It was understood that he would simply give the money he would owe me to the Wizard or one of the forum members he would see during the several times he'd be around one of them and I would then go and retrieve the money from the individual at no inconvenience to that person either. If the Wizard, for example, decides not to be a third party carrier I can always just have my boyfriend retrieve the money from SOOPOO. No inconvenience necessary. Easy peasy.

Quote: Mission146

Argumento ad nauseam.

LMAO! Too cute! :))

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Perhaps "Hot Blonde Challenge 2": whether she will regain 10 pounds a month and return to her former"glory" within 9 months.

You know what's so incredibly funny? There are those of you throughout this thread who say I try so hard to solicit attention, yet look at all of you who are coming up with all of these new bets to follow me after my weigh in, none of those proposed bets which I initiated. Seems that too many of you are incredibly interested in me and my life and continuing to following me afterwards. Funny how I attracted none these ideas yet you all blame me for being an attention whore. You all have it backwards. I guess I should be flattered.
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October 15th, 2012 at 12:09:31 PM permalink
Let me the first to let you know, after October17, i hope to never hear about your weight for the rest of my life.
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October 15th, 2012 at 12:10:57 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

Let me the first to let you know, after October17, i hope to never hear about your weight for the rest of my life.



geez, Wong, then why do you open the thread??? What else do you expect to be discussed on a weight loss thread?
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October 15th, 2012 at 12:11:35 PM permalink
I said after October 17, I am curious to the results of this bet.
I have zero interest in it after the fact, nor in a follow up bet with the same subject.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
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October 15th, 2012 at 12:38:34 PM permalink
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October 15th, 2012 at 12:52:11 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

I said after October 17, I am curious to the results of this bet.
I have zero interest in it after the fact, nor in a follow up bet with the same subject.



"The food they serve us is worse than slops, sir. I wouldn't feed it to a pig! And to make matters worse, sir, the portions are too small."

Allegedly from a soldier's letter to his congressman complaining about conditions int he Army.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
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October 15th, 2012 at 1:06:41 PM permalink
Quote: hotblonde

I can always just have my boyfriend retrieve the money from SOOPOO.



Will the boyfriend be at the weigh in?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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October 15th, 2012 at 2:03:09 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Padding their post count?



Editing of posts at a later date...
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
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