HardrockRebel
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December 9th, 2011 at 8:41:02 PM permalink
Can a player who is throwing the dice pick up their bet from the don't pass line, and continue to shoot the dice? One thing, the player does not want to bet on the pass line! Please help!!!
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December 9th, 2011 at 9:26:26 PM permalink
I don't think so. It is a pretty strict rule that the shooter must have a pass or don't pass bet on the table. Then again, in the unlikely event that happened, I'm not sure who would shoot. I would imagine they would ask the next person in turn to shoot.
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December 9th, 2011 at 9:50:05 PM permalink
It seems to me that the player should be allowed to pick up the Don't Pass bet, regardless of being the shooter. It's no different than a right betting shooter abandoning the Pass bet mid-roll and giving up the dice. The next player completes the hand, then gets to roll his own.
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December 9th, 2011 at 11:07:51 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

It seems to me that the player should be allowed to pick up the Don't Pass bet, regardless of being the shooter. It's no different than a right betting shooter abandoning the Pass bet mid-roll and giving up the dice. The next player completes the hand, then gets to roll his own.

You're right, it is no different. The shooter can pickup the DP bet, and the dice are offered to an eligible shooter who would like to continue the roll.

The question I have never gotten a consistent answer to is this... if there is nobody else at the table, what happens to the point? For example, the DP shooter leaves the table with an established point. Some employees say they would just turn the puck over. But that would imply that if the DP shooter were the only person at the table, he could just ask to "reset" the point whenever he wanted to.

Somewhat related... I know at least in New Jersey, if the only person at the table has Come bets only(I imagine this could only happen if the previous shooter decided to leave after making a point), this person could shoot the dice until a decision was made on the Come bets without a bet on Pass Line.
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December 10th, 2011 at 6:02:39 AM permalink
If the 2nd paragraph is true, it would be by far in the casinos' best interest to turn over the puck and let the player shoot again. The casino has a nice 13.89% advantage on the don't pass come out roll (8 combinations lose, 3 combinations win). A pass line player who walks away from his roll would lose his bet if there were no other shooters. I guess that the casino could just leave the bet out there until someone resolves it. If the casino closes the table, I imagine that they would just take the bet.
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December 10th, 2011 at 8:17:38 AM permalink
Quote: kaysirtap

The question I have never gotten a consistent answer to is this... if there is nobody else at the table, what happens to the point? For example, the DP shooter leaves the table with an established point. Some employees say they would just turn the puck over. But that would imply that if the DP shooter were the only person at the table, he could just ask to "reset" the point whenever he wanted to.


If there's nobody else at the table, and the shooter picks up his DP wager (and doesn't have a pass bet), there *is* no point. The bet is done when it's picked up, and yes, the implication is correct. I saw a high-roller doing this once at Caesars, betting with $500 chips on the don't by himself at a reserved table. There was a guard nearby attempting but failing to control passing traffic; that's how I got close enough to see the action. On the come-out, he'd just wave off 6s and 8s, and the crew would just send the dice back to him without moving the puck.
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December 10th, 2011 at 10:07:21 AM permalink
Waving off 6s and 8s?

Duh.

Casino edge = 5/36 - 6/36*1/3 - 8/36*2/10 = 3.889%
vs 1.364% for leaving the bet up on the 6 / 8.

Love it.
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December 10th, 2011 at 11:24:23 AM permalink
I've had that happen...floor came over...said "no shooter, no game" and they scooped all bets on the table...i actually did this on purpose just to see what would happen...so I only had a $2 DC out there...floor said there's no rules on dice, its THEIR table, they'll do what they want...
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December 10th, 2011 at 1:35:47 PM permalink
Quote: HardrockRebel

Can a player who is throwing the dice pick up their bet from the don't pass line, and continue to shoot the dice? One thing, the player does not want to bet on the pass line! Please help!!!



I don 't know about the Pass Line, but I have thrown the dice without any money on the Pass, Don't pass, Come or Don't Come Line.

I was at a table with only one other player. I had established 3 Don't Come bets. The shooter made his point and was coming out again. I still had my 3 DC bets. The shooter threw something like 3, 11, 3, 12, 2 and decided he had enough and he left. I was the only one left at the table. They passed the dice to me and asked if I wanted to shoot. I said no. They waited a while to see if anyone was going to buy into the game. No one did and they wanted to give me back my DC bets. I told them that I wasn't taking them down. It was a slow night and they wanted to close the table but they couldn't because I still had my DC bets up . They finally gave up waiting and allowed me to throw the dice just so a decision could be made and they could close the table. I think I knocked off one of my DC bets and then sevened out.
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December 10th, 2011 at 2:26:38 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Waving off 6s and 8s?

Duh.

Casino edge = 5/36 - 6/36*1/3 - 8/36*2/10 = 3.889%
vs 1.364% for leaving the bet up on the 6 / 8.

Love it.



Exactly why they allowed him to do it! He survived the hard part and decided to push when he had the "advantage" and start back at Step 1. They'll let him do that all night long!

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