DOG HATER!
my little dog, who I love dearly. He goes
everywhere with me, and I made sure to
park in the shade of a big tree, it was in the
80's. I was in the store only 5-7min and
some woman left a note on my windshield
that said "DOG HATER!". I laughed out loud
because I love my dog more than I love most
people. The best was a couple years ago
in April. It was in the 50's out and I came to
my car and two women in winter coats were
standing there and tore into me about leaving
my poor dog in the car. I got to tell them to
their faces that they were insane. If its so
hot, why were they wearing coats? People love
to stick their noses in other peoples business.
Quote: EvenBobI went to the store this afternoon and took
my little dog, who I love dearly. He goes
everywhere with me, and I made sure to
park in the shade of a big tree, it was in the
80's. I was in the store only 5-7min and
some woman left a note on my windshield
that said "DOG HATER!". I laughed out loud
because I love my dog more than I love most
people. The best was a couple years ago
in April. It was in the 50's out and I came to
my car and two women in winter coats were
standing there and tore into me about leaving
my poor dog in the car. I got to tell them to
their faces that they were insane. If its so
hot, why were they wearing coats? People love
to stick their noses in other peoples business.
Too many people with too much time on their hands.
I knew not to do it but was surprised at how fast the dog seems to heat up.
Links:
http://www.dogtopics.com/69/dog-heatstroke-how-to-kill-your-dog-in-under-30-minutes/
http://mydogiscool.com/x_car_study.php
Well, you never know.
That's what I say.
Quote: dwheatleyIt can get pretty hot inside a car, even in the shade, even in the 80s. I have a dog too, and left him in a car with the windows completely open for a couple minutes on a hot day. He was clearly hot and unimpressed when I got back.
It should be safe to leave the dog in the car under such conditions for a very short time. Safer than leaving him with the leash tied to a tree, where larger dogs can get at him. Just leave two windows open, not necessarily fully open, so there's an air current. I've owned small dogs, mostly, and the biggest dangers they face is being stepped on by people and being bitten by a large dog.
I had to take care of my dog for a couple of months in an apartment that didn't allow dogs, so I took him to work with me and left him in the minivan with the windows somewhat open . This was in the fall, when the hottest it got was about 70. Still, made sure to visit him three times a day or more.
people get so upset. When I had the big dog nobody
cared if I left him in the car.
Would you leave a child in there? Better yet, would you leave yourself in there for 7 minutes??? Sure, your dog is going to survive the ordeal, but how can you say you love your dog if you're going to treat him/her like that? I think writing "Dog Hater" is the least someone could do. I would have called the police, and asked them if I should break one of your windows to save your dog. Then I would have called the local humane society.
Quote: kpAs you can see by the links above, the temperature of your car would have soared to over 100 degrees in the short time you were gone,
Bullcrap. If its 82 and you park in complete shade, which
I always do, and the windows are down 3" all around, there
is no way in hell the temp is going up 18 degrees in 7min,
what planet are YOU from? In my original post I said
"and I made sure to park in the shade of a big tree".
In your neighborhood do you think the temp in the
shade is higher than the temp not in the shade?
state yesterday. We went in to a restaurant
and I left the car running and locked with the
air on for the dog. I went to check on him
15min later and a cop was talking to the manager.
I heard my name and went over to them. Two
people had called 911 to report a dog locked
in a car with the windows rolled up. You can't hear
the car running unless you really pay attention.
The dog fanatics drive me nuts. Perform some
due diligence before you over react, dunces.
Problem solved.
Quote: MrVJust shoot the dog.
Problem solved.
I'd shoot you before I ever would shoot him.
Read my sig line.
Hate em.
Funny, my dad hates cats; he thinks it's because his Irish mother regaled him with horror stories when he was little of cats clawing people's eyes out.
Still, you really should shoot the dog.
Do I smell a poll?
Quote: EvenBobI was out of town in the eastern part of the
state yesterday. We went in to a restaurant
and I left the car running and locked with the
air on for the dog. I went to check on him
15min later and a cop was talking to the manager.
You were lucky somebody didn't come by, smash in one of the windows (they even have an excuse if caught - "there was a dog in there!"), open the door, and make off with the car.
Quote: ThatDonGuyYou were lucky somebody didn't come by, smash in one of the windows (they even have an excuse if caught - "there was a dog in there!"), open the door, and make off with the car.
No key in the ignition, I started it with the remote.
Quote: MrV
Still, you really should shoot the dog.
And I seriously think somebody should shoot you.
My dog spreads love and joy wherever he goes,
people always smile when they see him. What
do you spread, besides the obvious.
WOW ..... I would have to think that's crossing a line. how can that not be a personal insult or attack? especially with the word seriously in it.Quote: EvenBobAnd I seriously think somebody should shoot you.
Quote: AxelWolfWOW ..... I would have to think that's crossing a line. how can that not be a personal insult or attack? especially with the word seriously in it.
By itself, that would be pretty alarming, but he was responding to MrV referring to shooting Bob's dog. If someone suggested shooting my dog, then I would consider those fighting words. I sympathize with Bob's response.
They both sound like they are bullying.Quote: WizardBy itself, that would be pretty alarming, but he was responding to MrV referring to shooting Bob's dog. If someone suggested shooting my dog, then I would consider those fighting words.
Quote: AxelWolfThey both sound like they are bullying.
I agree. While not an extremely active member I have been around enough to see that Bob gets away with murder. And now wishing murder LOL.
Quote: WizardIf someone suggested shooting my dog, then I would consider those fighting words. .
Yup. I refer everyone to my sig line..
I know here, it's illegal to leave you're car running while abandoned, or with the keys inside it and unlocked. I wonder how that law pertains to those fob starters?
I posted why.
At night when walking my midnight constitutional I often pack a weapon.
Not worried about people, just this one, particular vicious dog that sometimes charges to the edge of his master's property then stops.
C'mon Fido, just test me.
I would put down that dog in a heartbeat if he attacked me.
"Man's best friend?"
Pshaw.
on the face of the planet. In dog parks
I have never met a jerk or anybody that
didn't have the best manners. Dogs have
been our companions and friends since
the wolf pups wandered into nomad
caveman camps. Wonderful creatures.
Quote: EvenBobI love dogs
Why then did you title the thread "dog hater," and why get in an uproar when I simply agree with the topic of the thread?
Were you not trying to stir stuff up, you'd have titled the thread "dog lover."
Quote: MrVWhy then did you title the thread "dog hater," and why get in an uproar when I simply agree with the topic of the thread?
Were you not trying to stir stuff up, you'd have titled the thread "dog lover."
Quote: EvenBobI went to the store this afternoon and took
my little dog, who I love dearly. He goes
everywhere with me, and I made sure to
park in the shade of a big tree, it was in the
80's. I was in the store only 5-7min and
some woman left a note on my windshield
that said "DOG HATER!". I laughed out loud
because I love my dog more than I love most
people. The best was a couple years ago
in April. It was in the 50's out and I came to
my car and two women in winter coats were
standing there and tore into me about leaving
my poor dog in the car. I got to tell them to
their faces that they were insane. If its so
hot, why were they wearing coats? People love
to stick their noses in other peoples business.
Quote: EvenBobBullcrap. If its 82 and you park in complete shade, which
I always do, and the windows are down 3" all around, there
is no way in hell the temp is going up 18 degrees in 7min,
what planet are YOU from? In my original post I said
"and I made sure to park in the shade of a big tree".
In your neighborhood do you think the temp in the
shade is higher than the temp not in the shade?
Temperatures are measured in the shade so temperature was 82 in the shade. And yeah 100 degrees is possible in the shade
When the temperature outside is 80 degrees, it takes only 10 short minutes for the temperature inside your car to rise to 100 degrees, according to a 2005 Stanford University study – even if you’ve left all the windows open an inch or two.
. With the outside temperature in the low 80s, the temperature inside a car – with windows slightly opened – will reach 102 degrees in 10 minutes. In 30 minutes, the inside temperature reaches 120 degrees. Humidity increases the danger. Cars parked in the shade or cars that have just had the air conditioning turned off are just as dangerous http://www.dahsinc.com/site/?p=476
So yeah just leave your dog at home when it gets that hot.
Quote: TwirdmanTemperatures are measured in the shade so temperature was 82 in the shade. And yeah 100 degrees is possible in the shade
When the temperature outside is 80 degrees, it takes only 10 short minutes for the temperature inside your car to rise to 100 degrees, according to a 2005 Stanford University study – even if you’ve left all the windows open an inch or two.
. With the outside temperature in the low 80s, the temperature inside a car – with windows slightly opened – will reach 102 degrees in 10 minutes. In 30 minutes, the inside temperature reaches 120 degrees. Humidity increases the danger. Cars parked in the shade or cars that have just had the air conditioning turned off are just as dangerous http://www.dahsinc.com/site/?p=476
So yeah just leave your dog at home when it gets that hot.
What? I don't believe that cars parked in the shade heat up that fast. Where does the energy come from? For cars parked in the sun it's obvious.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWhat? I don't believe that cars parked in the shade heat up that fast. Where does the energy come from? For cars parked in the sun it's obvious.
Exactly my point. Ignore Twird, he has an agenda when
it comes to me and B9.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWhat? I don't believe that cars parked in the shade heat up that fast. Where does the energy come from? For cars parked in the sun it's obvious.
Still the sun remember shade isn't the same as solar blackout it still is getting some amount of sunlight hitting it which warm the car and the car acts as a greenhouse not releasing any of the heat.
Oh here is another chart to show this http://doingsciencetostuff.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/car-plot-001.jpg you'll notice in that the car in shade went from roughly 75 to 92ish. Those numbers are just eyeballing but seem reasonable. Also this shade was from a parking garage so far more thorough than that provided by a tree.
So again do not leave dogs or humans inside a car during even cool days. Since we have stories like this
In June 2000, a mother in New Jersey left her son in the car with the windows rolled up for two hours. During that time span, she checked on him several times without realizing the temperature of the vehicle was nearing deadly temperatures. On her final check, she found her son passed out. She rushed him to the hospital, but he later died of heatstroke. An hour after his death, the boy’s body temperature was 108 degrees. The temperature outside the vehicle was in the low 60s.34
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWhat? I don't believe that cars parked in the shade heat up that fast. Where does the energy come from? For cars parked in the sun it's obvious.
So the temperature of a car will approach absolute zero if the car is parked in shade?
I cant believe someone said to shoot the dog. I thought for sure they were joking.
Quote: AxelWolfI heard you shouldn't leave pets in the car even with the air conditioning on. If the air goes out or the car stalls the dog can't get out or call for help. I can only assume Bob drives an older Oldsmobile, Buick or something like that.
It was a 2014 Chevy with 2000 miles on it and
I was 50 feet from the dog at all times. And I
went out and checked on him every 10-15
min. Thanks for your concern..
Quote: EvenBobIt was a 2014 Chevy with 2000 miles on it and
I was 50 feet from the dog at all times. And I
went out and checked on him every 10-15
min. Thanks for your concern..
And as was pointed out that is enough time for the car to get well over 100 degrees. And as the story I pointed out earlier showed what happened to a human in a car in 60 degree weather who was checked multiple times over the span of two hours and still died. Why can't you simply leave the dog at home where it would be far more comfortable.
Quote: TwirdmanIn June 2000, a mother in New Jersey left her son in the car with the windows rolled up for two hours. During that time span, she checked on him several times without realizing the temperature of the vehicle was nearing deadly temperatures. On her final check, she found her son passed out. She rushed him to the hospital, but he later died of heatstroke. An hour after his death, the boy’s body temperature was 108 degrees. The temperature outside the vehicle was in the low 60s.34
But that is in the sun. Again, it is obvious that a car in the sun will get hot even if the air temperature is not high.
The chart that you linked to doesn't say much. What was the outside temperature?
You don't need to be a genius to figure this out. When my car is in the sun and I go back to it it's hot inside. When its in the shade it isn't
Quote: RSSo the temperature of a car will approach absolute zero if the car is parked in shade?
Ummm... seriously? No it will approach the temperature of the air outside. It will not magically heat up with no energy source.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceUmmm... seriously? No it will approach the temperature of the air outside. It will not magically heat up with no energy source.
The sun is still acting as an energy source. I mean when you are in a car in the shade it is not completely dark. Oh and the process of heating is thusly
This is what happens. Sun light travels from the sun in the visible part of the spectrum (i.e. we can see it!) and strikes the inside surface of the car. The sunlight is absorbed by the surface of the car (say the dashboard and the carpet) and since radiation is energy, the absorption of the visible radiation causes the surface that is struck to heat up. Now---- and this is the key part---- EVERY OBJECT emits energy at a wave length that is a function of the temperature of the object. Human beings around 100 deg F emit radiation in the INFRARED part of the spectrum.
So visible light enters the car warms up dashboard and other surfaces which then radiate heat into the car which gets trapped in the air since IR does not easily pass through glass.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceBut that is in the sun. Again, it is obvious that a car in the sun will get hot even if the air temperature is not high.
The chart that you linked to doesn't say much. What was the outside temperature?
You don't need to be a genius to figure this out. When my car is in the sun and I go back to it it's hot inside. When its in the shade it isn't
Outside temperature was 79 degrees for the car in the shade and 84 degrees for the other two scenerios. Difference in temperature is due to difference in area of testing site with one being closer to a waterway. I didn't mention that because I though that time 0 for car temperature was the same as ambient air temperature and while it is close the two are not exact.
If anyone wants to look at the full thing http://blog.doingsciencetostuff.com/2013/07/18/on-the-heating-of-parked-cars/
Quote: TwirdmanThe sun is still acting as an energy source. I mean when you are in a car in the shade it is not completely dark. Oh and the process of heating is thusly
This is what happens. Sun light travels from the sun in the visible part of the spectrum (i.e. we can see it!) and strikes the inside surface of the car. The sunlight is absorbed by the surface of the car (say the dashboard and the carpet) and since radiation is energy, the absorption of the visible radiation causes the surface that is struck to heat up. Now---- and this is the key part---- EVERY OBJECT emits energy at a wave length that is a function of the temperature of the object. Human beings around 100 deg F emit radiation in the INFRARED part of the spectrum.
So visible light enters the car warms up dashboard and other surfaces which then radiate heat into the car which gets trapped in the air since IR does not easily pass through glass.
I'm well aware of all this. My point is only that there is not that much energy getting into a car that is in the shade.
To combine your other reply, the air temperature outside was 79 and the car got up to 92 before levelling off? So, 13 degrees above ambient. This kind of proves my point. Crack the window as well and the car will not be much warmer than the air outside.
Quote: TwirdmanIn June 2000, a mother in New Jersey left her son in the car with the windows rolled up for two hours. During that time span, she checked on him several times without realizing the temperature of the vehicle was nearing deadly temperatures. On her final check, she found her son passed out. She rushed him to the hospital, but he later died of heatstroke. An hour after his death, the boy’s body temperature was 108 degrees. The temperature outside the vehicle was in the low 60s.34
this needs a source
Quote: odiousgambitthis needs a source
www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/enforce/childrenandcars/pages/unattend-hotcars.htm#ref34 its the first grey box.
Quote: Twirdmanwww.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/enforce/childrenandcars/pages/unattend-hotcars.htm#ref34 its the first grey box.
Quote: linkEven outside temperatures in the 60s can cause a car temperature to rise well above 110° F
Ya learn something every day.
PS: don't look for an statistics from the HTSA about the increase of these kinds of deaths now kids are belted into safety seats in the back
Bob knows everything so this can't be true.Quote: Twirdmanwww.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/enforce/childrenandcars/pages/unattend-hotcars.htm#ref34 its the first grey box.
Quote: TwirdmanAnd as was pointed out that is enough time for the car to get well over 100 degrees.
Baloney. The air was always on, it was almost
cold in there. You have no idea what you're
talking about.
