robertbauman
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July 16th, 2011 at 10:26:25 PM permalink
Alright I have a question, does anybody know what the odds would be for getting multiple bingo's in a single session. The reason I ask is, I play bingo at a Native American casino in Minnesota and there is a Mother and son that play a lot and on any given session they will get from 3 to 13 bingo's. This is a fact, on one weekend about a month ago, I witnessed them getting 13 bingo's on Friday 16 Bingo's on Saturday and another 7 bingo's on Sunday, that's right 36 bingo's this was on playing about 120 games total over the 3 days. This isn't a rare occasion I've also seen her and the son win multiple games every time I've been there. This is also occurring with the bingo house full, by full, there is over 400 players playing. Now granted they do play on a computer and at this bingo house you can play up to 15 packages max 1 computer, so between the two of them they are playing 30 cards but based on the other 398 players if they are playing only 1.5 packages per player they are competing against 597 cards in play. If someone can enlighten me on how they can get multiple bingo's again and again please do.
FleaStiff
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July 17th, 2011 at 1:13:57 AM permalink
I am unclear on the numbers that you give but it does seem high and therefore I would suspect that the Bingo Room is not actually paying out those prizes at all but is merely collecting the money. Usually such things happen only in the charity bingo games. I have no idea why the tribe would jeopardize an event that has over 400 players.

Could you restate your data and be consistent about cards, packages, etc. I am confused.
robertbauman
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July 17th, 2011 at 10:04:47 AM permalink
Okay there is a mother and son that plays bingo at this casino in Minnesota, at every session they play they get anywhere from 3 to 13 bingo's these are numbers that I can confirm when I'm there myself, I play on an average of 5 times a month, and other people that know them confirm my stats they see it as well. About a month ago this couple over a 3 day weekend they got 36 bingo's there was approximately 120 games played over this 3 day period. What I was referring to with the amount of players was on a average night at this casino they will have 400 or more players playing. Most recently as of last Friday night this couple got another 7 bingo's out of 26 games played, they won about about $3,700 in prize money Friday night alone. What I was trying to convey is that this casino will allow you to play up to 15 packages in your computer max 1 computer per person and they admit they fill the machine, but if you do the math these two are getting an unusual amount of bingo's compared to the total amount of packages in play. They have 30 packages combined but if you figure the other 398 players played an average of only 2 packages and this is a conservative amount per player that would mean they are competing against a minimum of 796 packages in play, based on simple math if there are 826 packages in play 796+30=826 dividing there 30 packages by 826 = 3.6% of packages in play but they consistently will get a no least than 3 bingo's up to 13 bingo's per each session. which equates to a % won of 11 to 50 % of the games and this can add up to $1000s and $1,000s of dollars won. So I guess this is mathematically possible but I would like to know what the odds of doing what they do on a regular basis. Or do you think that some how this game could be fixed?
heather
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July 17th, 2011 at 10:30:31 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

does seem high and therefore I would suspect that the Bingo Room is not actually paying out those prizes at all but is merely collecting the money. Usually such things happen only in the charity bingo games. I have no idea why the tribe would jeopardize an event that has over 400 players.



Interesting idea. The mother and son work for the casino and never actually collect their winnings. They are given winning cards in advance so that the casino can ensure a certain amount of profit from the game. Pretty shady behavior, if you're right.

EDIT: After thinking about it a little, this situation would also require the entire drawing be gaffed, so that winning cards could be known in advance. I'm not sure that a casino would go this far. Unless, of course, their cards aren't actually winners, but they behave as though they are and the casino goes along with it.
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July 17th, 2011 at 10:38:58 AM permalink
Where I have played, there are 12 cards on each package. Each computer was loaded with 92 cards (almost 8 packages or 12 packs as we like to call them). You could even play up to 3 paper 12 packs with the computer(although most just played 2).Now that would be a total of 116 cards played by each player in the hall woudnt it (with 2 paper 12 packs being played) ?.
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July 17th, 2011 at 11:49:48 AM permalink
Yeah, people show up to "verify" the bingo, but who verifies the verifier's work?
What do they do: have a hot air corn-popper or something that blows the ping pong balls up into a tube? Then a hand picks up the ball and a palmed label goes on it? I just can't see WHY a 400 seat Bingo Hall would do this.
Maybe someone can chime in here on the odds of it happening? Maybe its not all that rare?
robertbauman
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July 17th, 2011 at 3:29:09 PM permalink
Thanks for every ones input yes you do get a six face (six bingo cards) per each package played but the percentage would be the same for there cards played versus all the other players playing, but my question is if the casinos not in on it could it be possible to hack the computer that there using and somehow change a number needed just prior to it being called. I don't believe the computer program is property of the casino I believe it belongs to Planet Bingo they are tied into a central computer system because during certain games you play for prizes that are on a national basis and to come to think of it I have been coming to this casino for over 20 years and don't remember these two winning as often as they do until after the Planet Bingo system was implemented about 3 or 4 months ago. I honestly don't think the casinos is in on it maybe a caller or floor person, it would be to much of risk for the casino they would lose millions & millions of dollars if this was to happen and they were in on it, but I do believe these two are cheating that's why I would like to see if there's a mathematical equation to figure out what the odds of them doing this legit. Once again if you witnessed time after time bingo after bingo these two get you would feel the same frustration that I and a lot of other players experience each time these two show up.
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July 17th, 2011 at 3:57:58 PM permalink
Quote: heather

Unless, of course, their cards aren't actually winners, but they behave as though they are and the casino goes along with it.

It could still be done with legitimate checking of the cards. All they have to do is put aside that "special" card for when those two show up and then just sell them a packet from the bottom of a special stack or something. Most people prefer either Paper or Computer. How many others do BOTH?
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July 19th, 2011 at 4:59:19 PM permalink
If they are crooked, it would not be the first rigged bingo game. See this article on a scandal at California's Barona back in the mid 80's.
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Ayecarumba
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July 19th, 2011 at 5:18:59 PM permalink
Are they hitting their bingos with very few numbers called, or are they getting them after several others have only one number to go? I think this would be the best indicator of shenanigans. The Wizard has a table of the odds of catching various bingos within a certain number of calls here.
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