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DorothyGale
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June 30th, 2011 at 12:33:14 PM permalink
How can a computer chess program cheat, you might ask? This has to be the biggest chess scandal since the K-K match.

Rybka Cheats

I love to play chess against computers ... OK, I'm basically addicted ... Fruit and Crafty take me to the cleaners every time ... Now I know why Rybka is so good.

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June 30th, 2011 at 12:51:35 PM permalink
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June 30th, 2011 at 1:03:34 PM permalink
The status of Human vs Computer nowadays seems to be that the best chess masters are expected to lose, not to say they can't compete perhaps. Kramnik in 2006 was the last to really try. The games I think get kind of weird with the techniques that are tried against the computer.

This current issue is about plagiarizing the programming it seems.
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June 30th, 2011 at 1:27:10 PM permalink
Quote: mustangsally

Leibniz and Newton were the first I believe. hehe

Not so fast ...

Newton Vs. Leibniz

Obviously the first to plagiarize was John who copied ancient myths on savior archetypes in his story of Jesus.

Fun fun fun link
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June 30th, 2011 at 2:35:02 PM permalink
A bit off topic, sorry, but is there any comparable poker championship for computers?
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June 30th, 2011 at 3:09:37 PM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale

How can a computer chess program cheat, you might ask? This has to be the biggest chess scandal since the K-K match.

Rybka Cheats

I love to play chess against computers ... OK, I'm basically addicted ... Fruit and Crafty take me to the cleaners every time ... Now I know why Rybka is so good.

--Ms. D.



Gah, 90% of computer code is borrowing on the patterns of other code anyways, that's how software improves over time.
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June 30th, 2011 at 3:57:01 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

A bit off topic, sorry, but is there any comparable poker championship for computers?


Start with the U of Alberta site.
http://poker.cs.ualberta.ca/
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June 30th, 2011 at 4:24:26 PM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale

How can a computer chess program cheat, you might ask? This has to be the biggest chess scandal since the K-K match.

Rybka Cheats

I love to play chess against computers ... OK, I'm basically addicted ... Fruit and Crafty take me to the cleaners every time ... Now I know why Rybka is so good.

--Ms. D.

Nice find Ms.D
After doing some reading about the subject, seems IF Rybka was NOT 'winning' no one would bother about the code issues.

Like the US getting involved in wars in countries where oil is produced and not in countries where bananas are aplenty...
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July 1st, 2011 at 6:17:44 AM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale

How can a computer chess program cheat, you might ask? This has to be the biggest chess scandal since the K-K match.


The program doesn't cheat, it's the coder who was (allegedly) at fault.
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July 1st, 2011 at 8:34:14 AM permalink
Quote: P90

The program doesn't cheat, it's the coder who was (allegedly) at fault.

Well, yes, you are right, in the sense that no program for anything can ever cheat -- given that all such programs are only following the code of the designer, ergo it is always the designer who is unethical in some fashion, not his program.

I personally thought the anthropomorphic wording was clever of me. Guess you didn't.

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July 1st, 2011 at 8:36:45 AM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale

Well, yes, you are right, in the sense that no program for anything can ever cheat -- given that all such programs are only following the code of the designer, ergo it is always the designer who is unethical in some fashion, not his program.



Cheating is acting against set rules or gaining an unfair advantage over a competitor. In that sense, if the program is coded to do that then the program is cheating.

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I personally thought the anthropomorphic metaphor was clever. Guess you didn't.



It would have flown a lot farther, but maybe not better, in an Isaac Asimov board. You'd have been lectured on the Frankenstein Complex, too ;)
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