seviay
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June 12th, 2011 at 4:18:48 PM permalink
I noticed the following on twitter this afternoon (sorry, hope this doesn't violate any sort of forum rules):

CircusVegas (Circus Circus)
R Party Pit is the only place on the strip paying 2:1 on blackjack! Payout avail. everyday @ various times. Watch 4 the red lights. (21+)


Does anyone know the rules/specifics on this game? Certainly there are other shady rules they use to make up the difference in house advantage, right? Or maybe it's just a novelty $5 game to get people to visit the casino?
MathExtremist
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June 12th, 2011 at 4:46:37 PM permalink
Based on the tweet, it looks like the 2-1 payout is only when the red light is on, and either 3-2 or 6-5 otherwise. All you'd need to do is figure out the % of time the red light is on and take the weighted average of game EVs. Chances are they didn't change the base rules much if at all.
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June 13th, 2011 at 1:09:07 AM permalink
I played this for about 2.5 hours my last trip. At the beginning they were turning the red light on a lot. Like every 20 minutes or so, for about 3-5 minutes. Then they suddenly just stopped. So I left. You have to be betting a minimum of $10 when the light is on to get the 2-1. I spread $5-$10, and got one bonus BJ. Other rules are normal. Actually a pretty fun (and potentially profitable) promotion when they are liberal with the lights
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seviay
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June 13th, 2011 at 4:33:57 PM permalink
Thanks for the info teddy! 6 deck shoe? Shuffle machine? Who decides when the light goes on? Pit boss?
teddys
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June 13th, 2011 at 7:41:31 PM permalink
Both six deck and shuffle, pit boss decides, yes.
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June 13th, 2011 at 9:13:14 PM permalink
I've heard it comes on about once an hour. For a while it came on at regular intervals so advantage players showed up just before the light was about to come on, bet the max $500 bet until it went off, and then went to read a book until the next cycle. Now it is somewhat randomized by the floor men. It probably still has a small positive EV if you're comfortable with the $500 bets while the light is on.
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June 13th, 2011 at 9:34:53 PM permalink
That's the dilemma pit bosses and casino marketers face. You can offer multiple points on slots, random drawings for slot players, high winning hand hourly or daily in your poker room, and reward your regulars while hoping to attract new players to your casino. Do anything like the 2 to 1 payoff or match play and all you attract usually are advantage players. Quite often berating your regulars and generally making asses of themselves. Just love the AP who brags how much he can win per hour on his Vegas trip, then scurries around town to use a $25 match play, wasting an hour of travel time, plus trying to hang over a shift change to try and bet a second match play. That's why most pit people and dealers hate counters.
Read almost any BJ book and the tipping advice is it's OK to tip if dealer moves cut card beyond house requirement, or lets you bet below table minimum , etc. In other words if he risks his job, tip, but not too much. Almost all BJ forums and books , except Lawrence Revere, say to TIP ONLY if you want to win less when you win and lose more when you lose
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June 13th, 2011 at 11:43:38 PM permalink
I guess it depends on how empty their casino is and how any sort of "offer" will attract regulars rather than sharpies who are simply hunting the special promotion and no more likely to become a regular there than fly.

Rewarding current players is probably the best way to "grow" a casino or offering attractions that require some degree of play over a period of time. (Tenth cup of coffee is free is a better marketing gimmick than first cup of coffee is free).

I would think that anyone who wagers that 500.00 on a special promotion puts a pretty good dent in his bankroll if he loses so they are really inviting the sharpies to come for a special and not gamble much after that. Not a good marketing plan.

What about giving free play to existing players or just walking around and giving five dollars to everyone at a table. This would reward either regulars or people with some potential to become regulars but not attract the Groupon Coupon Groupies who merely want to go on to the next Groupon Coupon special.
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June 13th, 2011 at 11:51:27 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Read almost any BJ book and the tipping advice is it's OK to tip if dealer moves cut card beyond house requirement, or lets you bet below table minimum , etc. In other words if he risks his job, tip, but not too much. Almost all BJ forums and books , except Lawrence Revere, say to TIP ONLY if you want to win less when you win and lose more when you lose



I agree that is what most blackjack books say. That is also an area where I disagree some big names that I have a lot of respect for. In my opinion, tipping is a cost of doing business. If you can't afford to tip then don't play.

Quote: FleaStiff

What about giving free play to existing players or just walking around and giving five dollars to everyone at a table. This would reward either regulars or people with some potential to become regulars but not attract the Groupon Coupon Groupies who merely want to go on to the next Groupon Coupon special.



I've heard that Jackie Gaughan does that at the El Cortez sometimes. I like the idea.
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FleaStiff
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June 14th, 2011 at 12:16:25 AM permalink
> In my opinion, tipping is a cost of doing business. If you can't afford to tip then don't play.
Yeah. If you can't afford the two dollars, carry your own luggage!
You tip for service and you tip a bit extra for having received extra service or having received "extra luck". Now we all admit the dealer did nothing to bring you that luck but a bit of generous exuberance won't hurt.

>I've heard that Jackie Gaughan does that at the El Cortez sometimes. I like the idea.
The players who receive the five dollars like that idea. And they are already there and far more likely to be there tomorrow than someone who comes in for a "Red Light Special" and intends to solely make some special Red Light Bet and then wander back to his "home casino". Alot of Vegas regulars seem to find themselves all over town and simply play at the nearest casino they have any familiarity with. Errands, jobs, social life, etc. take them all over town and they have a key ring with a bunch of players cards on it. They might no be induced by a Red Light Special but if they happen to be at some casino they will surely be affected by five bucks even if they are betting black.

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