FleaStiff
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December 4th, 2009 at 4:17:03 PM permalink
Someone asked for a thread for those contemplating casino careers:

I am a bettor. Not a dealer. My math is too slow and my patience is utterly lacking.

Actually, I think some might find it very enjoyable. However, dealers must always smile and always just Dummy Up and Deal. They work under constant surveillance by humans, cameras and computers. They work in a smoke filled atmosphere and in some break-in joints they work downwind of some "fleas" who pay insufficient attention to personal hygienne. They work for tips and often have to rely on what management tells them the tokes totaled. They share tips usually and that means each dealer thinks he is carrying all the others who are only deadweight and don't know how to really earn tips. The casino has unfettered discretion to schedule dealers at empty tables, thus lowering the tips earned. Dealers generally work all weekends and holidays. Christmas, New Years Eve, Thanksgiving ... all of them. Schedules often change abruptly.

Some craps dealers and Blackjack dealers make a fortune compared to what their previous jobs were such as fast food or the like. But Wall Street types consider the casino to be an asset to be milked and all jobs are in jeopardy at all times. You will note that the recent turn down in the economy resulted in massive layoffs rather than massive belt tightening by senior executives.

Noise, smoke, constant supervision, constant surveillance (even in the employee break room and employee cafeteria), constant "music", frequent insults from sore losers. Yet some people like it. Poker dealers get to sit down and often can work fairly short shifts. Other dealers stand. ALL day they stand! Some dealers like the go home and forget work. Some dealers like the instant feedback. No lengthy projects. Deal a hand, take the losers, pay the winners. The dice roll, you take the losing bets and you pay the winners. You do it in the order you've been told. You keep your hands the way you've been told to keep them. You don't even sneeze except according to procedures. And if a girl has to brush the hair away from her eyes, she has to clap her hands before and afterwards.

Some people enjoy it. I would have gone crazy doing it. (Ofcourse I would never have actually been hired, since I can barely figure out two plus two ... well, almost).
FleaStiff
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December 4th, 2009 at 4:22:36 PM permalink
And then ofcourse there is technology.

Slot machines don't get wages, don't ask for benefits, don't get sick and don't unionize.

Other games are probably at risk for robots, though bettors tend to still like people. Some casinos have "virtual reality" blackjack dealers. Yet no matter how many dealers are getting layed off, the Vegas dealer schools keep churning out additional crops of graduates.

Is it a dying industry? Not yet apparently. Is it going to decline as Online gambling eventually gets legalized? Probably... but who knows when that will really take place?
Nareed
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December 4th, 2009 at 4:47:35 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Other games are probably at risk for robots, though bettors tend to still like people. Some casinos have "virtual reality" blackjack dealers. Yet no matter how many dealers are getting layed off, the Vegas dealer schools keep churning out additional crops of graduates.

Is it a dying industry? Not yet apparently. Is it going to decline as Online gambling eventually gets legalized? Probably... but who knows when that will really take place?



I've tried the BJ machines. They're not bad, but I have little patience with them. No matter how well made they are, they always seem to take forever to deal, pay, etc. a human dealer probably takes as long, or longer, but I have more patience for people than for machines. besides you can chat with the dealer while he takes time to deal.

A plus for the casinos is the machine woulnd't make mistakes. That would work great for craps, too, considering the more complex bets available.

I think the future is more mixed. I don't play roulette, but I've seen tables where a person spins the ball but the players bet on individual screens. That's a great idea, as payments are handled faster, there is no confusion of players' chips and no need to sweep losing bets and such.

A half-virtual craps table with real dice and a stickman would work just as well (no boxman, as you'd insert bills in the machine and play virtual chips.

Of course, you'd then have people whose job descriptions would be: spin the wheel, drop the ball, retrieve the dice and if the mahcine has any problems call tech support.
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RiverRock
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December 5th, 2009 at 12:09:16 AM permalink
Personally I hate playing online table games. While we do have roulette machines (connected to a real table) and mini-bac machines at our casino, I really don't think the bots will ever take over. Here in Canada we went through a big round of layoffs early in the year but the players are coming back now and we need competent dealers more than ever. It may not pay like Vegas but if you need a job, come up North.
Bowler377
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December 5th, 2009 at 8:22:47 AM permalink
Casino gambling jobs are NOT going to die out anytime soon because it's a legal vice. If something is evil, you can be absolutely sure the crowd will go with the idea. Also, the general public is stupid enough to drop their hard earned cash on mathematically unfavorable games the way they have been for thousands of years. When casinos make efforts to make table games more technological, those efforts are known to crash and burn because of nostalgia, distrust in machines, and the desire for a decent game that doesn't deal too many hands at one.
Croupier
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December 5th, 2009 at 11:07:15 AM permalink
People will always like face to face contact when playing, especially poker. I dont think this will ever really change.

As to the person saying you need to be great at maths to work in a casino - not true. Its more memory than maths.

I would also like to know how good the standard of most dealer scools in Vegas is.
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FleaStiff
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December 5th, 2009 at 11:49:11 AM permalink
Yes, its usually a matter of the dealer memorizing keys to calculate payoffs rapidly and then handling any breakage and adding that to the payoff. Its more memory than true math skill but it does take basic math skills.

Dealer schools: You will hear alot of comments. Ownership often changes. Job placement history is meaningless. It used to be that a school might send a student out on an audition while still in school and the student might be hired on the spot. Now graduates are walking around and filling out online applications and feeling the downturn in the economy.

The local college is said to have good classes. Some of the proprietary schools have good reputations but one opened up fairly recently and its clear from the web site that there might be a language problem.
wildqat
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December 6th, 2009 at 11:27:32 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Slot machines don't get wages, don't ask for benefits, don't get sick and don't unionize.


Actually, they do, but if a slot machine calls in sick, it's a lot less of a big deal than trying to find a substitute dealer. :^)
FleaStiff
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December 6th, 2009 at 11:48:01 PM permalink
Slot technician programs exist at some schools.
Perhaps with increasing acceptance of networked slots its a growing field?

I still would say that its a well, "dicey" career move involving corporate programs to avoid or shed any burden for health care or pension obligations.

Its a vice and is likely to continue but the threat of online gambling would be ever present and virtual dealers an ever present threat. Working conditions can be stressful. Some dealers learn curse words in several languages but must keep that professional smile on their face no matter what is hurled at them.
RiverRock
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December 7th, 2009 at 1:04:59 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Working conditions can be stressful. Some dealers learn curse words in several languages but must keep that professional smile on their face no matter what is hurled at them.



How bad is it in Vegas? I've been dealing with a lot of VIP players here (in BC) insulting dealers and yet as management we are told to let it go because, well, they are VIP players. Where does the line get crossed? We kick them out, we get fired.

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