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Believe him or not, MDawg is certainly among the most interesting posters. I for one love his food pictures, suite pictures. Does that make me a ‘fan’ by the way?
MrV started the thread.
AxelWolf coming in and saying that I have done "various uncouth things" was just Axel being Axel saying whatever the f he wants to say, thinking he can get away with it, but it was an insult nonetheless.
Quote: AxelWolfI don't disagree it could be a personal insult.
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Dieter should have handled the matter privately, but instead made a public spectacle of the matter and even said that the uncouth insult appears to be "based in fact" which is as much to say that he too is insulting me. Both should be suspended.
I don't know what Dieter was thinking in the first place allowing someone to come up with "examples" of why so and so committed uncouth acts, is stupid, is delusional, or whatever, as a defense to an insult. Let alone inviting that sort of thing publicly.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: MrVMy comments are factual and supportable by "the record" here at WoV, so why cannot I speak an obvious truth?
We are what we are, or what we write here, and just because reality is not flattering does not elevate it to insult status.
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It is well established in this forum that a personal insult is not allowable simply because it is the truth. Ex: You may not call someone fat even if he is obese. It is a personal insult and truthfulness is not a loophole. Ex: If you call someone "stupid and delusional" we are not going to allow you to make posts arguing against a suspension by citing examples to prove that he really is stupid and delusional. That would be madness, that is not the kind of forum that we want.
If your post is intended to show contempt for another person in this forum or to hurt his/her feelings, then don't post it. It's a simple rule.
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The reason V suggested I become a moderator is partly because he believes that once I'm firmly ensconced as Admin I'd then encourage my high rolling friends and associates to join this forum and create their own content. Then we would have MULTIPLE threads with food, suites, chips, cash. Of all of the gambling forums, because this one is the most regulated and respectful, this is the only one high rolling people I know would be inclined to join, but not if someone is allowed to come along and label them as "uncouth." 🤣
UA string was a later added weapon and was as useful as IP address, in spotting some socks where IP address was inconclusive. Our banning policy meant that we often KNEW that an ID was an undesirable before we had enough evidence to warrant a ban. Hence some obvious socks SEEMED to take a while to get rooted out.Quote: Mission146
How would anyone know your home address?
I don’t know what technological witchcraft others are capable of, but an IP match was pretty much the only thing sufficient for me to ban someone for sock accounts short of the person just saying it.
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Till the early 2000s while most of us connected by ADSL, certain modem models were easy to remote access and interrogate for VERY personal info. I never did it as a moderator here, but I have done it in another capacity.
Rarely, IP addresses might be identifiable as hotspots in certain hotels, casinos or businesses. That could be a problem for some members. IP usually identified if the user was tech savvy enough to use a VPN or proxy. They often identified the user's service provider.
Quote: OnceDearUA string was a later added weapon and was as useful as IP address, in spotting some socks where IP address was inconclusive. Our banning policy meant that we often KNEW that an ID was an undesirable before we had enough evidence to warrant a ban. Hence some obvious socks SEEMED to take a while to get rooted out.Quote: Mission146
How would anyone know your home address?
I don’t know what technological witchcraft others are capable of, but an IP match was pretty much the only thing sufficient for me to ban someone for sock accounts short of the person just saying it.
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Till the early 2000s while most of us connected by ADSL, certain modem models were easy to remote access and interrogate for VERY personal info. I never did it as a moderator here, but I have done it in another capacity.
Rarely, IP addresses might be identifiable as hotspots in certain hotels, casinos or businesses. That could be a problem for some members. IP usually identified if the user was tech savvy enough to use a VPN or proxy. They often identified the user's service provider.
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I remember trying to use a VPN for my Nelvin Account, I was thinking,"I'm protected by the VPN, the Admins will NEVER see that Nelvin is my Sock as my IP address will be completely hidden, 😏, but I did not do the VPN correctly at all and Nelvin was banned after exactly one post.
Quote: AxelWolfGiven the fact that MDawg has a history of what I consider attempted Doxing (call it what you want) and doing various other uncouth things, things I feel should automatically exclude anyone from being a Moderator of any kind, including a secret Mod.
Seven day suspension for the "uncouth" comment as well as flooding the forum with borderline insults and attacks. A case could be made for the doxing accusation, but I'll roll that into a seven-day suspension as well.
Quote:At the very least The Wizard should let members know before someone like MDawg is given Administrative privileges.
It's probably not something The Wizard has really ever considered much, but administrative privileges gives access to people's IP's at a minimum, and who knows what other information.
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We only have access to IP information, which we use to help detect socks. I have never used it for any other reason.
Let me say that moderators are not chosen based on polls or public discussion. Usually someone asks to be one privately and then the matter is discussed. In some cases, I have reached out to members in good standing to ask them to consider it.
I do not address who is and isn't a secret moderator. I also reserve the right to lie about it.
Finally, the only exception to the rule against quoting from other forums was for the purpose of MDawg Results Thread and only for the purpose of researching his results. I think we can consider the evidence gathering period closed on that, so there is no longer an exception at all.
My motivation was not to embarrass, but to explore the possibility which a mod raised and. to "stir the pot" a bit via posting what I thought could be a lively poll.
MDawg is a stickler for rules and he seems to be quite "black and white" when it comes to meting out suspensions; if he sees a need he argues for its imposition.
He is an attorney; perhaps he'd welcome being "elevated" to "judge / executioner?"
The Wiz indicated the mod positions are not decided by polls; that is good news for MDawg and his fans as most members who voted seem to believe he would be unwelcome as a moderator.
Now we know.
Maybe the thread should be closed now?
Quote: DieterFor my part, I'll also be taking 7 days suspended.
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Ugh. Looks like there is blood on the floor everywhere. With Dieter gone for a week, I feel as if I am being punished. No "praise for the uninvolved."
Quote: gordonm888Quote: DieterFor my part, I'll also be taking 7 days suspended.
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Ugh. Looks like there is blood on the floor everywhere. With Dieter gone for a week, I feel as if I am being punished. No "praise for the uninvolved."
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No good deed goes unpunished $:o)
Remind us. Why is Dieter going AWOL?
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MDawg is a stickler for rules and he seems to be quite "black and white" when it comes to meting out suspensions; if he sees a need he argues for its imposition.
More then a stickler
How about obsessed over much ado about nothing word
"fan"
Constantly bringing up the fact that I used "fan" and demanding a suspension
"Fan" of all the words I have used is one that really sets him off
WTF
He's also totally lost his sense of humor
The post of Snoop Dogg selling some real mile high dogg treats was funny.
He was actually offended
Sheesh
Some people just can't take a joke
Quote: terapined
He's also totally lost his sense of humor
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Demanding that A.Wolf be nuked wasn't funny? 😇
How about demanding that you be suspended for saying I " totally lost" my sense of humor? 🤣 Would that be funny?
Or this? Not funny?
Quote: MDawgMan, if I could have gotten terapined's vote the floodgates might've flooded in my direction.
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Actually, terapined (small t, by request) I've found your posts to be rather devoid of humor, or at best exhibiting a rather flat sense of humor, versus say the sly subtle humor exhibited by for example DarkOz and me.
And you may blame the mod who suspended someone for using the "fan" word for opening the "fan" suspension floodgates. It was not I said the dawg.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: gordonm888Quote: DieterFor my part, I'll also be taking 7 days suspended.
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Ugh. Looks like there is blood on the floor everywhere. With Dieter gone for a week, I feel as if I am being punished. No "praise for the uninvolved."
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No good deed goes unpunished $:o)
Remind us. Why is Dieter going AWOL?
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Dieter self-suspended because he made a post stating that Axelwolf's allegations about uncouth behavior by another member were based on fact. When Axel got suspended for that personal insult, Dieter felt a need to self-suspend.
My last self-suspension from WOV, I spent time drinking wine with my wife, binge-watched some TV shows and movies, read some good books and played some poker. I feel real friendship for Dieter but he's out-maneuvered me this time. I hope he enjoys his time off.
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And you may blame the mod who suspended someone for using the "fan" word for opening the "fan" suspension floodgates. It was not I said the dawg.
????????????
You want me to blame a mod for you demanding I get suspended for using the word "fan"
WTF
You insulted Mission with your "Mdawg fan club" statement
I simply alluded to you liking my photo so much that you copied it and posted a pic I personally took into your own thread as being a "fan". You do like that pic, don't you. I think we can both agree that we both really really like that pic I took that's in both adventures thread.
"Mdawg fan club" does not equal "fan"
I'm blown away that you don't understand the context and instead want to blame the mods
I blame you for not understanding context and demanding I get suspended for simply using the word "fan" as describing your appreciation for my pic
No floodgates would have been open if you could have understood context
Maybe I should repost the pic here so it's in 3 threads.
Is the pic worthy of 3 threads?
Put it up for a vote ? lol
Quote: MDawgActually, terapined (small t, by request) I've found your posts to be rather devoid of humor, or at best exhibiting a rather flat sense of humor, versus say the sly subtle humor exhibited by for example DarkOz and me.
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👮♂️
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I'm blown away that you don't understand the context
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I got it, don't worry. 🎭
You're talking about some pic I posted three years ago?
Quote: rxwineCould this be you? Anyone, anyone, anyone, Bueller?
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Well we all know what hits the fan!
Cents(2): If someone like MDawg or Nathan ever became a moderator of this site I would instantly delete every post and self ban from the site perma.
Not attacking anyone for anything specific, just my literally thoughts and feelings on the matter.
Quote: RomesSince it's a topic and since I happen to be on the site I guess I'll give my 2 cents:
Cents(2): If someone like MDawg or Nathan ever became a moderator of this site I would instantly delete every post and self ban from the site perma.
Not attacking anyone for anything specific, just my literally thoughts and feelings on the matter.
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Hi Romes,
Good to see you still around. I know you don't post frequently, but your earlier posts have some great mathematical info.
I see where you are coming from and I've done similar on other sites.
Wizard gets the site he deserves. So do the members.
Quote: MDawgHow do you know I’m not already a secret moderator.
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If you were I would see you at the Trilateral Commission meetings.
Quote: RomesSince it's a topic and since I happen to be on the site I guess I'll give my 2 cents:
Cents(2): If someone like MDawg or Nathan ever became a moderator of this site I would instantly delete every post and self ban from the site perma.
Not attacking anyone for anything specific, just my literally thoughts and feelings on the matter.
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And I'll take ,"Stuff that would be better said in private messages to Admins," for $500, Alex. 💡
I understand that ibeatyouraces did that to many of his posts as he fled the forum in rage.
Also, I came across this deleted post of SiegFriedRoy that opens his thread, among other deletions
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/big-wins/19626-went-for-it/
That capability was changed.
Since I have been at this forum, no self-editing or self-deleting is allowed after a half day or so.
Unless you're a Mod (or secret Mod). Or whatever status M146 is in.
Quote: MDawgThe WOV system doesn't allow that sort of thing, burning everything behind you as you retreat.
I understand that ibeatyouraces did that to many of his posts as he fled the forum in rage.
Also, I came across this deleted post of SiegFriedRoy that opens his thread, among other deletions
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/big-wins/19626-went-for-it/
That capability was changed.
Since I have been at this forum, no self-editing or self-deleting is allowed after a half day or so.
Unless you're a Mod (or secret Mod). Or whatever status M146 is in.
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I’m not a mod at all; certain Administrative abilities cannot be divorced from my ability to edit articles. I do delete obvious Spam as I see it, but that’s about it.
Quote: NathanTIt seems that Mdawg is being harassed, insulted, trolled, and bullied REALLY hard lately. It's REALLY uncomfortable to see. 🥶🤯😱😳😐🤨💡🤔
Well, duh...just close your eyes.
Quote: NathanI was personally SHOCKED by how not even HALF of the poll voted for Mdawg to be a Moderator. I think Mdawg would make a great Moderator and I was shocked that 16 people voted no and only 5 people voted yes. I honestly thought it would be the other way around.
It seems that your ability to read the tea leaves is a bit lacking.
Best keep that in mind when you buy lottery tickets and play Bingo.
Quote: NathanI think Mdawg would make a great Moderator and I was shocked that 16 people voted no and only 5 people voted yes. I honestly thought it would be the other way around.
5 voted yes. 2 votes are accounted for
I am absolutely amazed he got 3 other member votes
Incredible
What are the odds?
Now if you include the "SIXTY sessions? Really?" and "What me, worry?" as Undecideds, that's as many as 11! possible, so far.
If 80000 voters in 3 states may turn an election, anything is possible!
Quote: rxwineDude, just buy the forum, then you can make yourself king if you so desire.
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Only $2.4M.
Cheaper than twitter. :)
Wait, that 2.4M included WoO.
So just this forum should be waaaay cheaper
Quote: gordonm888Quote: OnceDearQuote: gordonm888Quote: DieterFor my part, I'll also be taking 7 days suspended.
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Ugh. Looks like there is blood on the floor everywhere. With Dieter gone for a week, I feel as if I am being punished. No "praise for the uninvolved."
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No good deed goes unpunished $:o)
Remind us. Why is Dieter going AWOL?
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Dieter self-suspended because he made a post stating that Axelwolf's allegations about uncouth behavior by another member were based on fact. When Axel got suspended for that personal insult, Dieter felt a need to self-suspend.
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Wiz linked the wrong post in the Suspension list for Dieters suspension
Quote: MDawgHey come on, I also got a "Only if he bribes us first," a "What's in it for me" and a "Maybe" - that's as many as 8 votes then.
Now if you include the "SIXTY sessions? Really?" and "What me, worry?" as Undecideds, that's as many as 11! possible, so far.
If 80000 voters in 3 states may turn an election, anything is possible!
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By this calculation I am now up to 14 votes!
I'm sure if you flash enough cash and pay all the regular posters here at least ten grand apiece that we'll let you be a moderator.
Money talks, BS walks, or so they say.
You claim to have taken millions from strip casinos, so why not give some of that cabbage to your brethren here at WoV?
After all, it's only money and you've got more than Allah can count.
Quote: MrV
I'm sure if you flash enough cash and pay all the regular posters here at least ten grand apiece that we'll let you be a moderator.
Money talks, BS walks, or so they say.
I can be bought for $100. My vote comes cheap.
Quote: MDawgDRich if your vote ends up being a swing, consider it DONE.
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If you really want to be a moderator I’m sure it would not cost you that much. I’ll bet you can buy they job for less than 5 figures? PM Mike and ask him! Maybe 10% of a Rolex?
As far as buying the website, I suppose its value going forward depends not just on its traffic but on whether Wizard will continue to produce especially WOO content. I knew about WOO before I ever realized there was a WOV forum.
I suppose they could be separated? Procure WOV alone?
Quote: RomesI couldn't be more serious. There isn't an amount you could pay me to have either of them be mods. Give me an official offer for $500k and watch me tear it up with pleasure.
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I enjoy this forum a lot. You give me $500k and I’d be happy to find something else to do.
It would be quite interesting to see if LCB would sell this site while keeping WoO. Just a guess, but offer them $1 million and WoV is all yours!
I hope you stay and just ignore this stupid stuff.
How much?
I may be bought too, but it would take a lot more than 10% of a Rolex, even 10% of this one.
Now, 10% of this watch, maybe.
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If he's not willing to pay to ensure that something does not happen, then his claim that he would turn down money to make it happen, doesn't really mean much.
Quote: MDawgAs far as buying a position, noted. 😝
As far as buying the website, I suppose its value going forward depends not just on its traffic but on whether Wizard will continue to produce especially WOO content. I knew about WOO before I ever realized there was a WOV forum.
I suppose they could be separated? Procure WOV alone?
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Do you remember TheWizardOdOdds.com? I think that was the original site probably back in the 1990's.
Quote: RomesI couldn't be more serious. There isn't an amount you could pay me to have either of them be mods. Give me an official offer for $500k and watch me tear it up with pleasure.
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I tried to be funny about this, by making a lighthearted joke the first time you mentioned this, even though I was uncomfortable the first time right off the bat but I feel you are trolling Mdawg and me by mentioning a SECOND TIME how much you don't want us to be Moderators. Once was enough. 😐
Quote: NathanQuote: RomesI couldn't be more serious. There isn't an amount you could pay me to have either of them be mods. Give me an official offer for $500k and watch me tear it up with pleasure.
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I tried to be funny about this, by making a lighthearted joke the first time you mentioned this, even though I was uncomfortable the first time right off the bat but I feel you are trolling Mdawg and me by mentioning a SECOND TIME how much you don't want us to be Moderators. Once was enough. 😐
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PLEASE tell me you don’t think for ONE SECOND that Romes cares even one iota how often you think he can post on ANY topic?
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: NathanQuote: RomesI couldn't be more serious. There isn't an amount you could pay me to have either of them be mods. Give me an official offer for $500k and watch me tear it up with pleasure.
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I tried to be funny about this, by making a lighthearted joke the first time you mentioned this, even though I was uncomfortable the first time right off the bat but I feel you are trolling Mdawg and me by mentioning a SECOND TIME how much you don't want us to be Moderators. Once was enough. 😐
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PLEASE tell me you don’t think for ONE SECOND that Romes cares even one iota how often you think he can post on ANY topic?
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I have a right to voice my opinion since it involves me and a close Friend of mine directly. 😐
If R.omes offers 500K or anything decent (I doubt he will, I don't believe that he would turn down 500K to buy his vote either), then I will go to Wizard and I am sure I can work something out where he and I split the money in exchange for his not making me a moderator. Money talks, and B.S. walks.
So - let's see how serious you are R.omes or if that declining 500K was all talk.
In any case, I'm up to 15 potential votes! now. A few more and we might even be within a margin of polling error.