ID Idiocy
No signs had been posted in advance. This casino has lots of regulars. People who Normally walk right in were turned away for lack.of verification.
I actually witnessed a woman with a walker of about seventy crying as she was turned away yelling she had traveled over an hour on the bus to get there and was going to lose her freeplay. No sympathy, She had to go home.
Anyway they finally relented and changed the policy back to what it was. Took about two weeks.
One of the workers told me a supervisor saw a different senior citizen turned away due to lack of ID. She had come with a van of about ten other fellow seniors from their group and they couldn't leave her to wait six hours for the planned trip so the entire group of ten gamblers turned around and left. Ten gamblers out the door at a clip!
Lol, that apparently was enough to see the error of their ways.
Quote: darkozRecently a local casino began ID verification at the entrance. Required for everyone of every age.
No signs had been posted in advance. This casino has lots of regulars. People who Normally walk right in were turned away for lack.of verification.
I actually witnessed a woman with a walker of about seventy crying as she was turned away yelling she had traveled over an hour on the bus to get there and was going to lose her freeplay. No sympathy, She had to go home.
Anyway they finally relented and changed the policy back to what it was. Took about two weeks.
One of the workers told me a supervisor saw a different senior citizen turned away due to lack of ID. She had come with a van of about ten other fellow seniors from their group and they couldn't leave her to wait six hours for the planned trip so the entire group of ten gamblers turned around and left. Ten gamblers out the door at a clip!
Lol, that apparently was enough to see the error of their ways.
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What was the point of the required verification, I don't get it. Why would they care as long as you're over 21.
Quote: ddlomlI agree that ID checking is a poor idea. Yet, in today’s society, who doesn’t have an ID with them? If those seniors would have won a hand pay jackpot, what hassles would they have experienced without their ID?
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The times that I've won W2-G required prizes without adequate ID, I've been given 30 or 90 days to return with my claim receipt and adequate ID.
It was a bigger hassle getting the required forms of ID than claiming the prize. It all took about 5 minutes at the cage.
What are they going to catch? Self excluded people? People in the black book?
But it could also have been an anti-AP exclusion tactic.
BTW this isn't unusual anymore on the East coast. I know of at least four different casinos in two different states that are doing this.
This particular casino they reversed course. The others to my knowledge are still doing it.
EDIT: It could also just be follow the leader with one casino doing it the others figured why not?
If you've been going to casinos since the days when the actual Rat Pack was performing at the Copa Room, and playing actual one-arm bandits at a nickel a pull the whole time, you probably think of casinos differently than players posting at a gambling website in 2023 do.
Quote: TigerWuIt sounds stupid for everyone involved.... why would you go to a casino of all places without a photo ID? Even if you're obviously old enough, what if you hit a jackpot or need to pay for something with a credit card? What if security thinks you look like some card counter or someone they banned and you can't prove it because you don't have ID? Why is an ID not already in your wallet or purse anyway, which you probably already have with you because your money and player's card are most likely in there, too?
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Sometimes you misplace your ID. Why lose your freeplay while you wait for a replacement?
And as someone above stated winning a jackpot without ID isn't an issue. You can just return later with ID and claim it. They take down your info until you return. It's not a big deal unless you give bogus info of course
If a casino requires ID to enter, then either have ID or take your business elsewhere.
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If you've been going to casinos since the days when the actual Rat Pack was performing at the Copa Room, and playing actual one-arm bandits at a nickel a pull the whole time, you probably think of casinos differently than players posting at a gambling website in 2023 do.
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The first time I went to Vegas I think was 1976. I went to see Sinatra and it was terribly disappointing. The idiots in the audience next to me we're singing along with him because they knew the words to every song and they were so loud they actually drowned him out. Wasn't just one person, it was a bunch of people. That's the last time I ever went to see anybody in Las Vegas. I take that back I did see Penn and Teller and that was just as disappointing for different reasons.
Quote: SOOPOOThe only error the casino made was not giving notice. In the summer, put up these signs….. ‘Beginning November ID will be required of all guests to enter. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause’.
If a casino requires ID to enter, then either have ID or take your business elsewhere.
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It would be courteous to make sure that the bus trip organizers were aware of the policy change in advance.
Advising people that "the casino requires ID now, do you have it with you?" as they board instead of as they disembark would be a thoughtful gesture.
Is it issued by the state or is it Federal? Is it tied to something else, such as Social Security or a gun carry permit or drivers license?
The reason I ask is that in England, the generally held acceptable forms of photo ID are Driving Licence or Passport. That's mostly it. If you don't drive or don't travel abroad, you are screwed.
This year, our government introduced a requirement for Photo ID to vote in elections*. That caused uproar because oh so many eligible voters got turned away for either not knowing ID was required or for simply not owning a passport or a driving license. It disenfranchised the poorer members of society who might tend to vote for the party not currently in power and was deemed a way of rigging the election.
In fact my only photo ID is my passport, which stays home in the safe. My driving licence is an older paper type with no photo.
* Just after the badly handled election fiasco, The gov't introduced a Voter eligibility photo ID card.
If you have a passport that of course works as well.
I don't drive but have a "non-drivers ID" It looks similar to the state drivers ID but is a whole lot cheaper and only needs to be renewed every 8 years.
It is issued by the same people (DMV Division of Motor Vehicles) and carries all the same recognition as a drivers license except no driving privileges
Most people in the US will use a Driver's License for their photo ID. These are issued by the state in which they reside. For non-drivers, I know in that in Florida (and I assume most, if not all other states) you can get an ID through the same process as getting a Driver's License, with the exception of demonstrating one's driving proficiency, of course. The ID looks similar to a Driver's License.Quote: OnceDearSatisfy a curious Brit: What form does your photo ID card take? Does everyone have Photo ID?
Is it issued by the state or is it Federal? Is it tied to something else, such as Social Security or a gun carry permit or drivers license?
The reason I ask is that in England, the generally held acceptable forms of photo ID are Driving Licence or Passport. That's mostly it. If you don't drive or don't travel abroad, you are screwed.
In the past, the look of Driver's Licenses would vary greatly. I remember there was a time where some states issued paper licenses whereas others had moved to plastic. These days, especially with the push toward "Real ID," they have started to all look very similar. I think by now they are all plastic, with the same dimensions as a bank/credit card.
Occasionally, I will see people use a military ID card or a passport, both are issued by the federal government.
Voter ID laws vary state-by-state. Some require a photo ID, some require ID, but not a photo ID, and some do not require any ID (except for the first time voting). If you are interested, this website describes the ID requirements for each state.Quote:This year, our government introduced a requirement for Photo ID to vote in elections*. That caused uproar because oh so many eligible voters got turned away for either not knowing ID was required or for simply not owning a passport or a driving license. It disenfranchised the poorer members of society who might tend to vote for the party not currently in power and was deemed a way of rigging the election.
In fact my only photo ID is my passport, which stays home in the safe. My driving licence is an older paper type with no photo.
* Just after the badly handled election fiasco, The gov't introduced a Voter eligibility photo ID card.
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Most accept passports (foreign & domestic) and US federal ID cards, too.
There might be problems trying to use a Canadian or Mexican driver's license in a US casino.
You can file a police report for lost DL, then show that in the interim. May not work with a hard nosed casino, but you’ll have a better shot than a sob story without documentation.Quote: darkozSometimes you misplace your ID. Why lose your freeplay while you wait for a replacement?
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Circa allows minors (or used to) in, of all places, their high end steak house. But only when escorted / accompanied by adults, etc.Quote: MDawgCirca Vegas requires ID from everyone, which is scanned, to verify 21+. No one under 21 allowed into the casino for any reason.
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Kinda weird since minors aren’t allowed anywhere else even as accompanied hotel guests.
Local Nevada 7-11's and slot parlors will not accept a Passport card or booklet.
You seen Penn and Teller in LV in which year?Quote: EvenBobQuote: Gialmere--shrug--
If you've been going to casinos since the days when the actual Rat Pack was performing at the Copa Room, and playing actual one-arm bandits at a nickel a pull the whole time, you probably think of casinos differently than players posting at a gambling website in 2023 do.
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The first time I went to Vegas I think was 1976. I went to see Sinatra and it was terribly disappointing. The idiots in the audience next to me we're singing along with him because they knew the words to every song and they were so loud they actually drowned him out. Wasn't just one person, it was a bunch of people. That's the last time I ever went to see anybody in Las Vegas. I take that back I did see Penn and Teller and that was just as disappointing for different reasons.
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Quote: AxelWolfLV in which year?
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Has to be at least 10 years ago. I found a lady's purse under my seat that somebody had left there and Penn and Teller after the show they stand in the lobby and greet people as we're leaving and I walked up to Penn and gave him the purse and it's shocking how tall he is when you're close to him. This was long before he lost weight he was gigantic.
A few months ago I was denied entry to the Monaco casino because I didn’t have my passport. Had my DL and a photo of my passport on my phone but no exceptions
On another note, there are sometimes dress codes there. In Monaco shorts were allowed during daytime but no ripped shorts or sandals. In Spain no shorts at any time. In Vegas I’ve seen people playing in swimsuits and bathrobes
Quote: billryanIt's an excellent way to build a mailing list and cuts down on multi-carding.
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No it doesn't.
I hit one of those ID at the entrance casinos for well over a year. They never noticed that the people whose freeplay was being taken never even entered the building.
You would think they would. But I routinely run circles around casinos. It's regular folks who give them too much credit for thinking.
Quote: darkozNo it doesn't.
I hit one of those ID at the entrance casinos for well over a year. They never noticed that the people whose freeplay was being taken never even entered the building.
You would think they would. But I routinely run circles around casinos. It's regular folks who give them too much credit for thinking.
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What if they knew and just didn't care? Be careful not to give YOURSELF too much credit.....
The first time I told them Army. The next time time I told them Air force, the next time Coast Guard, the next time Marines and to be fair the next time I told them Navy.
Idiots.
Quote: FatGeezusIn order to receive a veterans discount at a local store, I had to show proof of my service. I showed them my VA medical card ID and then they asked me "What Branch" was I in. WTF!
The first time I told them Army. The next time time I told them Air force, the next time Coast Guard, the next time Marines and to be fair the next time I told them Navy.
Idiots.
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I showed my Veteran ID in a store once for a 10% discount. The crotchety old guy at the register looked at the back of the card and said, "It's expired." It used to be you had to get your VA card "renewed" every once in a while, but not anymore. He didn't give me the discount, and I was kind of left speechless. Just because my card is expired doesn't make me NOT a veteran anymore, you idiot! The worst part of this whole scenario was this happened at an Army Surplus store!! I didn't see that guy there anymore not too much longer after that, so he either died (he was pretty old) or just got fired for being a moron.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: darkozNo it doesn't.
I hit one of those ID at the entrance casinos for well over a year. They never noticed that the people whose freeplay was being taken never even entered the building.
You would think they would. But I routinely run circles around casinos. It's regular folks who give them too much credit for thinking.
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What if they knew and just didn't care? Be careful not to give YOURSELF too much credit.....
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They cared.
When they did figure it out (due to a slot malfunction unfortunately where they had to check who the money in the machine belonged to) I was evicted from the property.
After sending in my crew for two more months (this casino was very slow on the uptake) they banned those guys too.
Casinos ALWAYS care. They really are stupid. Sorry I do have to give myself credit as do most AP's. Unlike most gamblers we see the stupidity every day.
Quote: Ace2In continental Europe showing a passport and passing through a metal detector seems to be standard procedure to enter a casino.
So is using the metric system. Doesn't make it an idea we want to emulate.
Quote: FatGeezusIn order to receive a veterans discount at a local store, I had to show proof of my service. I showed them my VA medical card ID and then they asked me "What Branch" was I in. WTF!
The first time I told them Army. The next time time I told them Air force, the next time Coast Guard, the next time Marines and to be fair the next time I told them Navy.
Idiots.
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Next time tell them you were an astronaut and see if they know that's not part of the Armed Forces.
Quote: EvenBobNext time tell them you were an astronaut and see if they know that's not part of the Armed Forces.
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There are astronauts that are/were in the military, though...
In a few cases I have read where a person who had been trespassed and was caught argued they had frequented the casino multiple times without incident leading them to believe they were OK to return.
That of course didn't hold up but if someone banned shows their ID at the door, it's scanned and the person is allowed in I think that justification now has more legal merit.
It certainly would make an argument of trespassing more difficult to prove when they were physically checked and allowed in.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: FatGeezusIn order to receive a veterans discount at a local store, I had to show proof of my service. I showed them my VA medical card ID and then they asked me "What Branch" was I in. WTF!
The first time I told them Army. The next time time I told them Air force, the next time Coast Guard, the next time Marines and to be fair the next time I told them Navy.
Idiots.
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I showed my Veteran ID in a store once for a 10% discount. The crotchety old guy at the register looked at the back of the card and said, "It's expired." It used to be you had to get your VA card "renewed" every once in a while, but not anymore. He didn't give me the discount, and I was kind of left speechless. Just because my card is expired doesn't make me NOT a veteran anymore, you idiot! The worst part of this whole scenario was this happened at an Army Surplus store!! I didn't see that guy there anymore not too much longer after that, so he either died (he was pretty old) or just got fired for being a moron.
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I think people who work in army surplus deal with more phony vets than normal, and the guy was jaded. The guy was wrong, but I understand it.
The UK paper drivers licence is a quirky legacy from the 70s. It lasts until either, the driver reaches 70, the driver changes address, or the driver loses it because of driving penalty points. They are viewed very suspiciously by car hire firms outside the UK.Quote: ChumpChangeHaven't seen paper driver's licenses since the late 1970's. They've all been photo ID, even the non-DL ID's. Of course teens were all about getting fake ID's for their drinking age in some states and bouncers with their UV lights to check if it's real. If you're a senior citizen and crossing state lines on a bus you may have skipped bringing ID with you because you weren't driving and weren't planning on hitting a hand pay JP. Not sure a casino would take an out of state ID. it does seem like a data dragnet and my local racino has turned to such tactics and I'll avoid them for it.
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Mine's in tatters :o)
The US, Liberia and Myanmar are the only countries in the world that don’t use the metric system. You think it’s a good idea that we’re the only ones on the cumbersome imperial system?Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: Ace2In continental Europe showing a passport and passing through a metal detector seems to be standard procedure to enter a casino.
So is using the metric system. Doesn't make it an idea we want to emulate.
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Quote: HunterhillOne east coast casino would not let my daughter in even though she had a state drivers license. They said anyone who looked under 25 needed two forms of ID. I was with her at the time but they still wouldn’t budge
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Jake's 58?
They are a bunch of idiots there. They did something similar to my daughter.
And it's 18 and over there.
Quote: Ace2The US, Liberia and Myanmar are the only countries in the world that don’t use the metric system. You think it’s a good idea that we’re the only ones on the cumbersome imperial system?Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: Ace2In continental Europe showing a passport and passing through a metal detector seems to be standard procedure to enter a casino.
So is using the metric system. Doesn't make it an idea we want to emulate.
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In 1975 Gerald Ford signed the Metric Conversion Act that was meant to switch us entirely over to the metric system. The only problem was it was completely voluntary so it was a complete flop. Nobody wanted to do it, it was too confusing, we were too set in our ways, so it just went away. I was 26 years old in 1975 I remember this very well and I didn't like it. If you don't grow up with it it's extremely confusing and I'm confused by it to this day. I know what a litre is but that's about it. I couldn't tell a centimeter from a millimeter from a centipede. It's all just confusing nonsense to me and to almost anybody else in this country. A kilometer just seems dumb to me. The speed on the freeway is 130 km per hour? It just sounds ridiculous.
Such a nonsensical, ridiculous system
5280 feet per mile, 12 inches per foot makes calculations much easier
Quote: Ace21000 millimeters or 100 centimeters in a meter. 1000 meters in a kilometer. Same system for weight and volume
Such a nonsensical, ridiculous system
5280 feet per mile, 12 inches per foot makes calculations much easier
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The metric system was designed by Picts, living in the British Isles. As most of the men had six fingers on each hand, it made sense to use a base of 12. The average beard was around three hands, and made for a good measuring unit. A mile was the ideal length between neighbors.
The problem was most kids and adults hated converting the two, forgetting that it would be done for them. Did your world fall apart when soda switched from quarts to liters?
Quote: Ace21000 millimeters or 100 centimeters in a meter. 1000 meters in a kilometer.
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Might as well be saying 1,000 caterpillars is 100 centipedes, it would mean the same thing to me.
Quote: darkozQuote: HunterhillOne east coast casino would not let my daughter in even though she had a state drivers license. They said anyone who looked under 25 needed two forms of ID. I was with her at the time but they still wouldn’t budge
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Jake's 58?
They are a bunch of idiots there. They did something similar to my daughter.
And it's 18 and over there.
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