Evenbob's Roulette Thread
October 26th, 2023 at 7:32:00 AM
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Quote: DieterQuote: billryan
If you folks spent less time mocking eb, and more time following his method, then you too could have a house infested with cats and a lifetime supply of candles.
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Even without following The Method (I have no idea what it is, so I can't), there's cats scratching up the furniture, peeing on my luggage, and a disturbingly large box of PartyLite bric-a-brac in the garage.
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You are almost there. Keep up the good work. Remember- Quitters never lose, and cheaters often prosper.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
October 26th, 2023 at 7:47:47 AM
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Quote: billryan
If you folks spent less time mocking eb, and more time following his method, then you too could have a house infested with cats and a lifetime supply of candles.
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I'm more of a dog guy anyway, so I'm just going to keep mocking him.
The candles would be a nice touch, though...
October 26th, 2023 at 7:53:41 AM
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Quote: DieterEven without following The Method (I have no idea what it is, so I can't),
allow me to help you out with that
first you look at the last 100 spins - the results
then you write down all the times it came even with a red pen
then you write down all the times it came black with a black pen
then you write down all the times it came high - with a green pen
and then you look at which even chances hit the most because maybe they're streaking - or maybe some hit very seldom and that means that they're due to come
then you think about playing some inside numbers
that part is very tricky because under no circumstance do you ever play inside numbers
then you look at what you have written down
and you just know what the next even chance will be - you're going to hit it 80% of the time for a 56% edge
even though if you hit it 80% of the time that would actually be a 60% edge
unless you decided to play the inside numbers which you never do
I hope that's helpful
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
October 26th, 2023 at 8:01:07 AM
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Quote: TigerWu
As long as you don't know the game is -EV, you'll continue to win.
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You don't get it. The game of random bets against random outcomes is negative EV, my game is positive EV. I'm really tired of explaining that. The exact same thing happened in blackjack it was a negative EV game as long as you made random bets against the random outcomes. Now you can scream all you want that blackjack is not random and I will post 25 different facts and opinions that it very much is random. When card counters started making educated non-random bets they changed the EV to their favor. This is not rocket science. It might be a different kind of random than roulette, but random Is random.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 8:25:23 AM
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Quote: DieterQuote: billryan
If you folks spent less time mocking eb, and more time following his method, then you too could have a house infested with cats and a lifetime supply of candles.
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Even without following The Method (I have no idea what it is, so I can't), there's cats scratching up the furniture, peeing on my luggage, and a disturbingly large box of PartyLite bric-a-brac in the garage.
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To follow EvenBob's Method, you first need to discover EvenBob's method, which most of us are too lazy to do. How do you discover the method? Well, Evenbob has described what he does over thousands of posts over a decade. Reprise all of his posts. Hang on his every word. Distill the very essence of what he describes. Then start again, because in all his description you have ZERO to go on. If you think you see an insight, be sure that you have missed the post where he contradicts that insight.
Then start again again. EvenBob won't give you anything until you have wasted as much of your time as he has. Develop your own Method. Ask evenbob if you are on the right track..... 'No'
Then start again again again. Evenbob will love your dedication and will encourage you to try it for real. Take it to the casino. LOSE your shirt. EvenBob can they say "Yes. that happens: All part of the learning curve. Carry on"
Then start again again again.
Hunker down and huddle over your notes and records. Concentrate dammit, until it all starts to become clear.
Take it to the casino again. Lose another shirt. Ask evenBob why?
"Obviously you are learning as I learned. Keep studying and you will get there."
By now, you may have aged by a decade and still, somehow, you just can't hit an 80% hit rate. Rome wasn't built in a day, how well are you doing so far? "Well, I have managed a 48% hit rate on the even money bets"
"There you are! 48% is great. You just need another 32% to be as good as EvenBob. Just a few tweaks and you will be there. You're already way over half way there"
Hunker down, squander another decade, until you are seeing odd/even/red/black/high/low in every thought you make.
Get in the elevator and all the buttons fit into patterns. See a phone number and reds and blacks/odds and evens pop in your head. You start to go insane.
By now, you are 16 years into your quest. Visit evenbob in his cats nursing home, Express your exasperation and say "FFS Bob. I spent 16 years of my life and never found any way of making a profit or hitting 80% hit rate. I lost my shirt. I lost all my money. No-one wants to know me. I'm a pariah in the wagering community, how the hell did you do it?"
"Exactly the same as you did, sonny. Welcome to my world"
"My work is done. Now go out and do like I did. That will be the nearest you get to revenge"
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 26th, 2023 at 8:28:16 AM
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Quote: EvenBob
When card counters started making educated non-random bets they changed the EV to their favor.
card counters know that when there were many more high cards than low cards left to be played gambling experts showed them how that means that they had a small edge if they played their hand in accordance with analysis recommended by experts
what you do is not even remotely similar to that
in blackjack the future is influenced by the past
in roulette the future is not influenced by the past
no matter how many time you clownishly post that it is - it just isn't
you can keep posting your garbage for 25 more years
that dog won't hunt____________no matter how many times you claim it will
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
October 26th, 2023 at 8:33:06 AM
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Quote: lilredrooster
card counters know that when there were many more high cards
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That is correct, that is how they are able to make an educated bet against random outcomes. Like I said you can scream all you want that the outcomes in blackjack are not random and I will show you quote after quote after quote that yes they are random. Just because it's a different kind of random you think it doesn't count. Random is random is random and you can take that to the bank. Discover like I did how to make correct non-random bets against the random outcomes in roulette and you too will have found the back door in.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 8:37:06 AM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: DieterEven without following The Method (I have no idea what it is, so I can't),
allow me to help you out with that
first you look at the last 100 spins - the results
then you write down all the times it came even with a red pen
then you write down all the times it came black with a black pen
then you write down all the times it came high - with a green pen
and then you look at which even chances hit the most because maybe they're streaking - or maybe some hit very seldom and that means that they're due to come
then you think about playing some inside numbers
that part is very tricky because under no circumstance do you ever play inside numbers
then you look at what you have written down
and you just know what the next even chance will be - you're going to hit it 80% of the time for a 56% edge
even though if you hit it 80% of the time that would actually be a 60% edge
unless you decided to play the inside numbers which you never do
I hope that's helpful
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You forgot the most important part -- Martingaling your flat bets using a D'alembert progression.
October 26th, 2023 at 8:43:22 AM
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If your game was +EV you could show us the math. Show us the math please.Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWu
As long as you don't know the game is -EV, you'll continue to win.
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You don't get it. The game of random bets against random outcomes is negative EV, my game is positive EV. I'm really tired of explaining that. The exact same thing happened in blackjack it was a negative EV game as long as you made random bets against the random outcomes. Now you can scream all you want that blackjack is not random and I will post 25 different facts and opinions that it very much is random. When card counters started making educated non-random bets they changed the EV to their favor. This is not rocket science. It might be a different kind of random than roulette, but random Is random.
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It took a computer to confirm card counting was possible, why do you think they choose Blackjack and not roulette or some other game? Because it makes sense that card counting was possible. They just needed something to confirm it.
Fast forward to 2023 where we now have super duper computers in the palm of everyone's hands. There's been some smart people attempting to crack roulette on even better computers and yet no one has.
But you want us to believe you did it using some chicken scratch filled notebooks with subpar math abilities. C'om on bro.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 26th, 2023 at 8:43:48 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: lilredrooster
card counters know that when there were many more high cards
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That is correct, that is how they are able to make an educated bet against random outcomes. Like I said you can scream all you want that the outcomes in blackjack are not random and I will show you quote after quote after quote that yes they are random. Just because it's a different kind of random you think it doesn't count. Random is random is random and you can take that to the bank. Discover like I did how to make correct non-random bets against the random outcomes in roulette and you too will have found the back door in.
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Taking it to the extreme
If you take a deck of cards, and record the first 51 cards dealt, you know,with 100 % certainty what the remaining card is.
If you track 51 spins at roulette, you know that the next spin will be red, green or black.
Only a very foolish person will try to equate the two.
Cards removed from the blackjack deck change the ratio of the cards. When more good cards remain, counters increase their bets
Previous roulette wheel spins do nothing to change the ratio of the wheel for the next spin. I'd assume anyone with a fifth-grade education would understand the difference.
The difference between a system and a method is simple. A system has rules you have to follow and will inevitably fail.
With a method, you sort of have a plan, but it is flexible and a sharp eyed observers will adapt on the fly. If you squint real hard, and cherry pick the results, you too can claim success without offering any proof.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
October 26th, 2023 at 8:53:59 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfIf your game was +EV you could show us the math. Show us the math please.
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Good luck. I already tried this route.
I even gave him the exact EV equation to use, multiple times, so he could simply plug in his numbers right then and there and show us.
Naturally he just ignored it.
October 26th, 2023 at 9:06:49 AM
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EB has already supplied his winning system.
Find something that is only in his head. Then let the thoughts influence the outcome.
The obvious outcome is that like his choices to wager and his patterns he sees are only in his head, so are his winnings.
It's like trying to argue with a schizophrenic that the "real" person he is arguing with on his left isn't there.
It's real to him. And in fact he is probably wondering if you are the fake person.
Schizoroulettophrenia!
Find something that is only in his head. Then let the thoughts influence the outcome.
The obvious outcome is that like his choices to wager and his patterns he sees are only in his head, so are his winnings.
It's like trying to argue with a schizophrenic that the "real" person he is arguing with on his left isn't there.
It's real to him. And in fact he is probably wondering if you are the fake person.
Schizoroulettophrenia!
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
October 26th, 2023 at 9:09:32 AM
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Quote: OnceDearQuote: DieterQuote: billryan
If you folks spent less time mocking eb, and more time following his method, then you too could have a house infested with cats and a lifetime supply of candles.
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Even without following The Method (I have no idea what it is, so I can't), there's cats scratching up the furniture, peeing on my luggage, and a disturbingly large box of PartyLite bric-a-brac in the garage.
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To follow EvenBob's Method, you first need to discover EvenBob's method, which most of us are too lazy to do. How do you discover the method? Well, Evenbob has described what he does over thousands of posts over a decade. Reprise all of his posts. Hang on his every word. Distill the very essence of what he describes. Then start again, because in all his description you have ZERO to go on. If you think you see an insight, be sure that you have missed the post where he contradicts that insight.
Then start again again. EvenBob won't give you anything until you have wasted as much of your time as he has. Develop your own Method. Ask evenbob if you are on the right track..... 'No'
Then start again again again. Evenbob will love your dedication and will encourage you to try it for real. Take it to the casino. LOSE your shirt. EvenBob can they say "Yes. that happens: All part of the learning curve. Carry on"
Then start again again again.
Hunker down and huddle over your notes and records. Concentrate dammit, until it all starts to become clear.
Take it to the casino again. Lose another shirt. Ask evenBob why?
"Obviously you are learning as I learned. Keep studying and you will get there."
By now, you may have aged by a decade and still, somehow, you just can't hit an 80% hit rate. Rome wasn't built in a day, how well are you doing so far? "Well, I have managed a 48% hit rate on the even money bets"
"There you are! 48% is great. You just need another 32% to be as good as EvenBob. Just a few tweaks and you will be there. You're already way over half way there"
Hunker down, squander another decade, until you are seeing odd/even/red/black/high/low in every thought you make.
Get in the elevator and all the buttons fit into patterns. See a phone number and reds and blacks/odds and evens pop in your head. You start to go insane.
By now, you are 16 years into your quest. Visit evenbob in his cats nursing home, Express your exasperation and say "FFS Bob. I spent 16 years of my life and never found any way of making a profit or hitting 80% hit rate. I lost my shirt. I lost all my money. No-one wants to know me. I'm a pariah in the wagering community, how the hell did you do it?"
"Exactly the same as you did, sonny. Welcome to my world"
"My work is done. Now go out and do like I did. That will be the nearest you get to revenge"
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This all seems like far too much work for an irredeemably muttonheaded machine player like me.
I think I'll stick with my shockingly effective technique of sitting in front of a machine that seems lucky and smacking the PLAY button until it doesn't seem lucky anymore.
edit: PMs are open if there are serious takers on the candles. Pretty sure Ashly is eager to unload some.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 26th, 2023 at 9:20:23 AM
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Quote: darkozEB has already supplied his winning system.
Find something that is only in his head. Then let the thoughts influence the outcome.
The obvious outcome is that like his choices to wager and his patterns he sees are only in his head, so are his winnings.
It's like trying to argue with a schizophrenic that the "real" person he is arguing with on his left isn't there.
It's real to him. And in fact he is probably wondering if you are the fake person.
Schizoroulettophrenia!
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The simplest explanation is the sunk cost fallacy.
In EvenBob's mind, he HAS to be winning, otherwise the last twenty years and thousands of hours spent playing roulette and arguing with people online will have been a total waste of time and money.
He's too far down the rabbit hole and it defines his life now; if he let it go, it would cause a complete breakdown of everything he believes in.
October 26th, 2023 at 10:04:31 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfIf your game was +EV you could show us the math
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If you could see how I arrive at when to make a bet you would say, you can't do that! You can't pretend that the outcomes are not random and you can't pretend that you see patterns and trends so you can get a small advantage and make one or two bets. That's cheating, that's immoral, that can't work.
Wanna bet?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 10:08:57 AM
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Quote: EvenBobIf you could see how I arrive at when to make a bet you would say, you can't do that! You can't pretend that the outcomes are not random and you can't pretend that you see patterns and trends so you can get a small advantage and make one or two bets. That's cheating, that's immoral, that can't work.
Wanna bet?
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October 26th, 2023 at 10:15:58 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfIf your game was +EV you could show us the math
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If you could see how I arrive at when to make a bet you would say, you can't do that! You can't pretend that the outcomes are not random and you can't pretend that you see patterns and trends so you can get a small advantage and make one or two bets. That's cheating, that's immoral, that can't work.
Wanna bet?
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Sure? Name your proposed stakes and odds offered.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 26th, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM
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Day after day. Alone on a hill.......
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
October 26th, 2023 at 10:27:27 AM
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Quote: billryanDay after day. Alone on a hill.......
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Careful Bill, There's a backstory about that song which implies the fool is the guru.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 26th, 2023 at 10:47:01 AM
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Quote: EvenBobyou can't pretend that you see patterns and trends so you can get a small advantage and make one or two bets. That's cheating, that's immoral, that can't work.
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Of course this only works for extremely short periods of time, it's totally unreliable for anything more than a couple of bets. But a couple of bets is all you need to make a profit. This flies in the face of what 'gambling' is supposed to involve, sitting and playing and playing and playing and then playing some more. This is the much vilified Hit and Run that any math person will tell you just doesn't work. Not only does it work it works extremely well if you know how to use it properly. The fly and the ointment is you have to constantly start over looking for a new opportunity and that's a huge amount of work that most people just don't want to do. It's not fun and if playing isn't fun they want nothing to do with it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 10:47:26 AM
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Quote: OnceDearQuote: billryanDay after day. Alone on a hill.......
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Careful Bill, There's a backstory about that song which implies the fool is the guru.
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Kool and Da Gang. Embrace it, if you wish.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
October 26th, 2023 at 10:51:12 AM
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Quote: EvenBobBut a couple of bets is all you need to make a profit. This flies in the face of what 'gambling' is supposed to involve, sitting and playing and playing and playing and then playing some more.
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This makes no sense. Gambling isn't "supposed" to be anything. If you make one bet or one million bets, it's still gambling.
October 26th, 2023 at 10:55:29 AM
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Smart people want nothing to do with it because they know hit and run/win and leave is non working nonsense. Yet another tell tell sign you use a gambler's fallacy SYSTEM.Quote: EvenBobQuote: EvenBobyou can't pretend that you see patterns and trends so you can get a small advantage and make one or two bets. That's cheating, that's immoral, that can't work.
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Of course this only works for extremely short periods of time, it's totally unreliable for anything more than a couple of bets. But a couple of bets is all you need to make a profit. This flies in the face of what 'gambling' is supposed to involve, sitting and playing and playing and playing and then playing some more. This is the much vilified Hit and Run that any math person will tell you just doesn't work. Not only does it work it works extremely well if you know how to use it properly. The fly and the ointment is you have to constantly start over looking for a new opportunity and that's a huge amount of work that most people just don't want to do. It's not fun and if playing isn't fun they want nothing to do with it.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 26th, 2023 at 11:10:49 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: EvenBobyou can't pretend that you see patterns and trends so you can get a small advantage and make one or two bets. That's cheating, that's immoral, that can't work.
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Of course this only works for extremely short periods of time, it's totally unreliable for anything more than a couple of bets. But a couple of bets is all you need to make a profit. This flies in the face of what 'gambling' is supposed to involve, sitting and playing and playing and playing and then playing some more. This is the much vilified Hit and Run that any math person will tell you just doesn't work. Not only does it work it works extremely well if you know how to use it properly. The fly and the ointment is you have to constantly start over looking for a new opportunity and that's a huge amount of work that most people just don't want to do. It's not fun and if playing isn't fun they want nothing to do with it.
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So, the wheel has an 'extremely short' memory ?
That's nonsense, of course, just as is the entirety of your post. Let me rework that for you in 'real univers speak'
"Of course this doesn't work, even for extremely short periods of time, it's totally unreliable for anything. Winning bets are all you need to make a profit. This is just 'gambling'. You can just sit there or play tomorrow. The wagers you place are the session, regardless of which day. This is the much vilified 'sessions mean nothing' that any method player can't understand. Not only does it not work at all, if you know how to use it properly, it still won't work. The fly and the ointment is there are no opportunities to find and it's futile to look for them. Most people have more sense. Playing is fun and if playing isn't fun then stop.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 26th, 2023 at 11:13:58 AM
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Among the dozen or so posters, is there anyone on this thread who actually believes that EB believes he has ‘paid his bills’ for the last 20 years using his roulette winnings? He can’t be insane enough to not know that it is his social security check that is doing so.
Why would anyone think EB actually believes what he posts? I mean, seriously, it is so far from even reasonable that no one could possibly believe virtually anything he writes (about gambling).
I believe EB just enjoys posting nonsense, and has done so for decades. I DO NOT believe for ONE SECOND that he actually believes he pays his bills from any gambling related activity.
I do believe he owns cats and cooks. And that he voted for Obama.
Why would anyone think EB actually believes what he posts? I mean, seriously, it is so far from even reasonable that no one could possibly believe virtually anything he writes (about gambling).
I believe EB just enjoys posting nonsense, and has done so for decades. I DO NOT believe for ONE SECOND that he actually believes he pays his bills from any gambling related activity.
I do believe he owns cats and cooks. And that he voted for Obama.
October 26th, 2023 at 11:26:09 AM
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Quote: OnceDear
So, the wheel has an 'extremely short' memory ?
"Of course this doesn't work, even for extremely short periods of time, it's totally unreliable for anything."
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The wheel has no memory at all, every outcome is unique and separate from the last outcome.
It not only works, it works extremely well if you have the proper bet selection. The big mistake is thinking that you can get more mileage out of it than just a couple of bets. If there was a secret, that would be it. Getting in and getting out and moving on. There's an old saying in games of chance. Get in, get it done, get out. Whoever originally said that knew what the hell they were talking about. Just like I know what I'm talking about.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 11:26:38 AM
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Yes he can. It's one of the options, two other options are.Quote: SOOPOOAmong the dozen or so posters, is there anyone on this thread who actually believes that EB believes he has ‘paid his bills’ for the last 20 years using his roulette winnings? He can’t be insane enough to not know that it is his social security check that is doing so.
He is not insane, but he's telling us untruths
He's telling us the truth.
Nobody here is insane enough to believe that latter option.
I've wrestled with this one. For a long time I thought he was just being mischievous, enjoying the sparring with those who engaged with him. But I'm fast coming around to the decision that he really needs to believe that nonsense. With a squint and a forgiving perception, he can see only the winnings and delude* himself about all the losses.Quote: SoopooWhy would anyone think EB actually believes what he posts? I mean, seriously, it is so far from even reasonable that no one could possibly believe virtually anything he writes (about gambling).
I believe EB just enjoys posting nonsense, and has done so for decades. I DO NOT believe for ONE SECOND that he actually believes he pays his bills from any gambling related activity.
I do believe he owns cats and cooks. And that he voted for Obama.
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Regardless of what he believes, he obviously gets some satisfaction sparring here. But with his ridiculous posts he's less like the boxer, and more like the punchbag. Still, whatever floats his boat.
*Delude. Yes. I'm saying his perception is flawed. I believe that is a consequence of the insanity inducing amount of wasted study and note taking that he sunk so much of his life into. He cannot NOT believe he's a winner, because if he isn't a winner, then he's much more of a loser than the average gambler.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 26th, 2023 at 11:38:47 AM
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You've distilled everything you've ever posted into that one succinct untruth.. . or confession.Quote: EvenBob
Just like I know what I'm talking about.
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If you know what you are talking about, you are culpable of knowingly spouting nonsense.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 26th, 2023 at 11:38:56 AM
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Quote: OnceDearBut I'm fast coming around to the decision that he really needs to believe
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I don't need to believe anything, I believe it because it's happening. I believe it because I do it every day. Luckily that you believe it or don't believe it has no effect on the reality of it whatsoever. You don't control anything except your opinion and we all know what that's worth.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 11:42:25 AM
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Quote: OnceDearYou've distilled everything you've ever posted
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I love it when you stand on the top of the mountain hurling axioms down like they are lightning bolts. When you do this do you picture yourself wearing a cape and a Superman costume? Come on, you know you do..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 11:55:34 AM
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Since you ask, I visualise heckling a really, REALLY, bad stand up comedian. But he just won't admit defeat, and bow out with a bit of grace regardless of the booing crowd. Some in the crowd hang around waiting for the finale, but it never comes.Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDearYou've distilled everything you've ever posted
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I love it when you stand on the top of the mountain hurling axioms down like they are lightning bolts. When you do this do you picture yourself wearing a cape and a Superman costume? Come on, you know you do..
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The mc won't drag him off stage, for reasons beyond comprehension.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 26th, 2023 at 12:51:30 PM
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You seem to be suggesting that evenbob is either insane or that he is lying? Is that the intention?Quote: SOOPOOHe can’t be insane enough to not know that it is his social security check that is doing so.
Because we see the best in eachother and don't want to believe that he is a liar. But the options are few.Quote:Why would anyone think EB actually believes what he posts? I mean, seriously, it is so far from even reasonable that no one could possibly believe virtually anything he writes (about gambling).
What, like some kind of troll?Quote:I believe EB just enjoys posting nonsense, and has done so for decades.
Quote:I DO NOT believe for ONE SECOND that he actually believes he pays his bills from any gambling related activity.
So you believe he is lying? Trying to get others to believe his claims? He has more chance of knitting fog.
But, why would he lie so unbelievably. He could tell small or believable lies. Why would he tell one that is so beyond belief.
Those who lie so repetitively into the face of so much derision, must have some strange characteristics.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
October 26th, 2023 at 1:05:12 PM
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Quote: OnceDear
But, why would he lie so unbelievably. He could tell small or believable lies. Why would he tell one that is so beyond belief.
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Once in awhile you actually stumble onto a salient point. I'm obviously not a moron so why would I make up something like this when there are so many better things that I could be making up if that's what I was doing. It makes no logical sense. And for such a long period of time, almost 20 years. If I'm doing it for kicks and grins that obviously would have worn off about 19 and 1/2 years ago. So the only alternative is, I'm not making it up. Duh
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 1:30:19 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
But, why would he lie so unbelievably. He could tell small or believable lies. Why would he tell one that is so beyond belief.
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Once in awhile you actually stumble onto a salient point. I'm obviously not a moron so why would I make up something like this when there are so many better things that I could be making up if that's what I was doing. It makes no logical sense. And for such a long period of time, almost 20 years. If I'm doing it for kicks and grins that obviously would have worn off about 19 and 1/2 years ago. So the only alternative is, I'm not making it up. Duh
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Actually the "Big lie" is always one people tell. Small lies wouldn't have been worth your 20 years of crap.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
October 26th, 2023 at 1:50:04 PM
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
October 26th, 2023 at 2:18:10 PM
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Actually the "Big lie" is always one people tell.
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That might be true for people that have something to gain monetarily or as a position in a corporation, but I have nothing to gain. I can't imagine anything more boring or ridiculous than telling something like this for 20 years if it wasn't true. It would be pointless and I don't have any time to spend on things that are pointless.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 2:25:55 PM
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Quote: unJonThe definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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No, that's just a silly saying that was attributed to Albert Einstein who never actually said it. The real definition of insanity is 'not understanding the nature or quality of your actions'. Believe me I totally understand the quality and nature of my actions and I totally understand when the casino pays me for them. lol
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 2:31:45 PM
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Quote: EvenBob.....why would I make up something like this when there are so many better things that I could be making up if that's what I was doing.
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Because you've brainwashed yourself. Like I said earlier, sunk cost fallacy.
You're 20 years into the delusion of a winning system; your brain literally can't break away now -- "It doesn't make sense that I could be wrong, because that would mean the last 20 years of my life were a lie, and I can't deal with that being the truth, so I will continue to lie to myself."
October 26th, 2023 at 2:34:17 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOAmong the dozen or so posters, is there anyone on this thread who actually believes that EB believes he has ‘paid his bills’ for the last 20 years using his roulette winnings?
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Never once have I ever claimed that I paid my bills for the last 20 years from playing roulette. I said I pay them NOW, where you got 20 years from is a mystery. I didn't actually start making real dependable money until they legalized online gambling and I started playing about a year and a half ago. Before then it was hit and miss I had to be satisfied with what game the roulette wheel in my local casino was playing.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 2:36:38 PM
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Because you've brainwashed yourself.
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I must be good because I brainwashed the casino too, they always pay me when I win. How is it that I can brainwash them but I can't do that to you. Maybe I'm not brainwashing at all, there's a thought..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 2:47:28 PM
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You have nothing better to do than convince those who hurt you so badly on gambler's Glen that yare a successful roulette player. That's exactly why you have kept up this ruse all these year's.Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
But, why would he lie so unbelievably. He could tell small or believable lies. Why would he tell one that is so beyond belief.
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Once in awhile you actually stumble onto a salient point. I'm obviously not a moron so why would I make up something like this when there are so many better things that I could be making up if that's what I was doing. It makes no logical sense. And for such a long period of time, almost 20 years. If I'm doing it for kicks and grins that obviously would have worn off about 19 and 1/2 years ago. So the only alternative is, I'm not making it up. Duh
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 26th, 2023 at 2:49:34 PM
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And yet, you won't show any proof. Something very easily done. Shut us all up and show Mike your casino records.Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWu
Because you've brainwashed yourself.
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I must be good because I brainwashed the casino too, they always pay me when I win. How is it that I can brainwash them but I can't do that to you. Maybe I'm not brainwashing at all, there's a thought..
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 26th, 2023 at 2:57:10 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou have nothing better to do than convince those who hurt you so badly on gambler's Glen that yare a successful roulette player. That's exactly why you have kept up this ruse all these year's.
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LOLOLOL!! Who are you, the embodiment of Carl Jung? I've heard some ridiculous over the top theories but this one is right up there. I'm sorry, I'm not in fourth grade anymore, have I mentioned my age to you? Good grief.. Back to the drawing board for you. Maybe I do it because Mom liked my brother more than me. No wait, that's the Smothers Brothers. LOL
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 3:14:01 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: unJonThe definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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No, that's just a silly saying that was attributed to Albert Einstein who never actually said it. The real definition of insanity is 'not understanding the nature or quality of your actions'. Believe me I totally understand the quality and nature of my actions and I totally understand when the casino pays me for them. lol
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It’s funny that you (incorrectly) assumed I was aiming that quote at you. It’s the folk arguing with you that are doing the same thing over and over.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
October 26th, 2023 at 3:37:13 PM
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It’s funny that you (incorrectly) assumed I was aiming that quote at you. It’s the folk arguing with you that are doing the same thing over and over.
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Either way it's not the definition of insanity and nobody knows who said it because it's silly and nobody will take credit for it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 3:45:05 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOAmong the dozen or so posters, is there anyone on this thread who actually believes that EB believes he has ‘paid his bills’ for the last 20 years using his roulette winnings? He can’t be insane enough to not know that it is his social security check that is doing so.
Why would anyone think EB actually believes what he posts? I mean, seriously, it is so far from even reasonable that no one could possibly believe virtually anything he writes (about gambling).
I believe EB just enjoys posting nonsense, and has done so for decades. I DO NOT believe for ONE SECOND that he actually believes he pays his bills from any gambling related activity.
I do believe he owns cats and cooks. And that he voted for Obama.
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If the moderators don't believe him, I'd think they are responsible for acting on their beliefs. Marcus Clarke was banned when he posted something unbelievable.
If the moderators do believe him, .......
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
October 26th, 2023 at 4:03:36 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: unJon
It’s funny that you (incorrectly) assumed I was aiming that quote at you. It’s the folk arguing with you that are doing the same thing over and over.
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Either way it's not the definition of insanity and nobody knows who said it because it's silly and nobody will take credit for it.
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It is an ancient Chinese proverb loosely translated it means Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly but expecting new results.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
October 26th, 2023 at 4:32:13 PM
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It is an ancient Chinese proverb loosely translated
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No it's not, that's not any more true than Albert Einstein said it. After much investigation the earliest this appeared anywhere was at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting in Tennessee in 1981 where an obviously anonymous woman said this thing almost word for word. She made it up on the spot. It's very cute and it sounds clever but it's not true.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 4:34:51 PM
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Quote: billryan
If the moderators don't believe him, .....
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This is not a matter of belief, it's not a religion. It's a matter of proving I don't do it and you can't do that. You can point to the math but for the 100th time that math was derived by using random bets against random outcomes so it doesn't apply to what I do.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 26th, 2023 at 5:12:09 PM
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Quote: billryanQuote: SOOPOOAmong the dozen or so posters, is there anyone on this thread who actually believes that EB believes he has ‘paid his bills’ for the last 20 years using his roulette winnings? He can’t be insane enough to not know that it is his social security check that is doing so.
Why would anyone think EB actually believes what he posts? I mean, seriously, it is so far from even reasonable that no one could possibly believe virtually anything he writes (about gambling).
I believe EB just enjoys posting nonsense, and has done so for decades. I DO NOT believe for ONE SECOND that he actually believes he pays his bills from any gambling related activity.
I do believe he owns cats and cooks. And that he voted for Obama.
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If the moderators don't believe him, I'd think they are responsible for acting on their beliefs. Marcus Clarke was banned when he posted something unbelievable.
If the moderators do believe him, .......
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This is not quite accurate, but this thread is not the venue for the discussion.
May the cards fall in your favor.
