Is AP'ing worth it anymore?
March 16th, 2023 at 2:15:07 AM
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Not trying to be a dick here, but losing 25% of your net worth at 44k is poor bankroll management. Work on that first before you find yourself ruined. Figuring out what you get for offers is not worth losing your ability to live without fear. I don't know you from Adam, just don't want you thinking about taking the easy way out if negative variance rears its ugly head even worse than has already happened.
March 16th, 2023 at 3:26:04 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfPerhaps, but you guys dogged him regarding the information he laid out. At that point he never said how he played it or if he got the offers.Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfI wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.Quote: PokerGrinderAxel you’re an enormous troll lol
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If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.
Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
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Ok first off, he didn’t know what if anything he would get back from the casino for his play. He is 100% playing a losing game whether he counts or not because he has said that he doesn’t raise his bets with the count and doesn’t know the indices. Tony is a long time ploppy who wins at poker and dumps on recreational gambling. Obviously you know that I know how to maximize offers from casinos but what I’m saying is Tony was degenning and got offers vs Tony knew he could play x amount of time and lose x amount of ev to gain x amount of offers.
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Let's take a look.
You"Wow amazing ap play there Tony. Lose $5-6k and get back $5100 in free bets that are worth half their value…"
Bill "Lose money on every play, but make it up with volume. That sounds like a plan.
The only thing better than having a plan is having a good one."
Both of your comments made it seem as if this was a -EV situation and totally dumb to even consider. If I had to guess, you guys didn't actually think about it. You saw the" lose 5-6k and get back 2250" and thought, how dumb.
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Again I was commenting on Tony’s ap play because it clearly wasn’t an ap play. I’m not saying what you or I who real aps could do with this situation.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
March 16th, 2023 at 3:27:58 AM
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Quote: sevencard2003i never said anything about not knowing any indices. i know all the ones that come up constantly and matter. so i use them to decide whether to hit 12 v 4, 15 vs 10, etc. this is why knowing the count helps, or u will end up just doing basic strategy (and playing the hand wrong). i just dont want to take insurance because it gives away im counting. but i will on the machine if its plus 3 or higher because on the machine vs a live table, no pit boss is watching. of course thats if im in a place such as Laughlin where the machine can actually be counted. most cant.
if im in a casino using a card i have never been to, i assume ill get good mailers if i lose big. this is why i was pissed that so far after dropping over 10k the palms gave me almost nothing for my loss. granted i never talked to a host, but still all i ever got was an email offering me 2 nites 3 times and 3 20 dollar free bet coupons. and i lost over 11k that month. a good 25% of my net worth.
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Again Tony knowing the count but not betting with the count is a waste of time, you’re not playing a winning game by any stretch.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
March 16th, 2023 at 3:31:53 AM
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Quote: Talldude90Not trying to be a dick here, but losing 25% of your net worth at 44k is poor bankroll management. Work on that first before you find yourself ruined. Figuring out what you get for offers is not worth losing your ability to live without fear. I don't know you from Adam, just don't want you thinking about taking the easy way out if negative variance rears its ugly head even worse than has already happened.
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This is standard for Tony. It’s the same way that he built his roll to 58k and it’s the same every time he loses 5-10k playing bj or slots. He thinks he’s playing with an advantage when in reality he’s just making excuses for his degenning habit.
It’s always been amazing to me that Tony buys in for the minimum in poker games where he has an edge because he thinks his bankroll is too small but thinks nothing of donking off 5-10k on negative ev endeavours.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
March 16th, 2023 at 1:34:33 PM
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Nope... Tony pawned you regarding this situation and you are unwilling to.admit it..Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfPerhaps, but you guys dogged him regarding the information he laid out. At that point he never said how he played it or if he got the offers.Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfI wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.Quote: PokerGrinderAxel you’re an enormous troll lol
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If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.
Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
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Ok first off, he didn’t know what if anything he would get back from the casino for his play. He is 100% playing a losing game whether he counts or not because he has said that he doesn’t raise his bets with the count and doesn’t know the indices. Tony is a long time ploppy who wins at poker and dumps on recreational gambling. Obviously you know that I know how to maximize offers from casinos but what I’m saying is Tony was degenning and got offers vs Tony knew he could play x amount of time and lose x amount of ev to gain x amount of offers.
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Let's take a look.
You"Wow amazing ap play there Tony. Lose $5-6k and get back $5100 in free bets that are worth half their value…"
Bill "Lose money on every play, but make it up with volume. That sounds like a plan.
The only thing better than having a plan is having a good one."
Both of your comments made it seem as if this was a -EV situation and totally dumb to even consider. If I had to guess, you guys didn't actually think about it. You saw the" lose 5-6k and get back 2250" and thought, how dumb.
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Again I was commenting on Tony’s ap play because it clearly wasn’t an ap play. I’m not saying what you or I who real aps could do with this situation.
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Shooled by TBC on AP. OUCH!!!
FYI. Dawg says hi.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 16th, 2023 at 1:39:40 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfNope... Tony pawned you regarding this situation and you are unwilling to.admit it..Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfPerhaps, but you guys dogged him regarding the information he laid out. At that point he never said how he played it or if he got the offers.Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfI wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.Quote: PokerGrinderAxel you’re an enormous troll lol
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If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.
Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
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Ok first off, he didn’t know what if anything he would get back from the casino for his play. He is 100% playing a losing game whether he counts or not because he has said that he doesn’t raise his bets with the count and doesn’t know the indices. Tony is a long time ploppy who wins at poker and dumps on recreational gambling. Obviously you know that I know how to maximize offers from casinos but what I’m saying is Tony was degenning and got offers vs Tony knew he could play x amount of time and lose x amount of ev to gain x amount of offers.
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Let's take a look.
You"Wow amazing ap play there Tony. Lose $5-6k and get back $5100 in free bets that are worth half their value…"
Bill "Lose money on every play, but make it up with volume. That sounds like a plan.
The only thing better than having a plan is having a good one."
Both of your comments made it seem as if this was a -EV situation and totally dumb to even consider. If I had to guess, you guys didn't actually think about it. You saw the" lose 5-6k and get back 2250" and thought, how dumb.
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Again I was commenting on Tony’s ap play because it clearly wasn’t an ap play. I’m not saying what you or I who real aps could do with this situation.
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Shooled by TBC on AP. OUCH!!!
FYI. Dawg says hi.
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You’re an illiterate troll lol.
Give Cujo tummy scratches for me, I miss that little fluffer.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
March 16th, 2023 at 1:54:48 PM
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Dude, don't be mad cus Tony Big Charles is both better looking and smarter than you by a factor of 3.Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfNope... Tony pawned you regarding this situation and you are unwilling to.admit it..Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfPerhaps, but you guys dogged him regarding the information he laid out. At that point he never said how he played it or if he got the offers.Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfI wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.Quote: PokerGrinderAxel you’re an enormous troll lol
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If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.
Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
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Ok first off, he didn’t know what if anything he would get back from the casino for his play. He is 100% playing a losing game whether he counts or not because he has said that he doesn’t raise his bets with the count and doesn’t know the indices. Tony is a long time ploppy who wins at poker and dumps on recreational gambling. Obviously you know that I know how to maximize offers from casinos but what I’m saying is Tony was degenning and got offers vs Tony knew he could play x amount of time and lose x amount of ev to gain x amount of offers.
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Let's take a look.
You"Wow amazing ap play there Tony. Lose $5-6k and get back $5100 in free bets that are worth half their value…"
Bill "Lose money on every play, but make it up with volume. That sounds like a plan.
The only thing better than having a plan is having a good one."
Both of your comments made it seem as if this was a -EV situation and totally dumb to even consider. If I had to guess, you guys didn't actually think about it. You saw the" lose 5-6k and get back 2250" and thought, how dumb.
link to original post
Again I was commenting on Tony’s ap play because it clearly wasn’t an ap play. I’m not saying what you or I who real aps could do with this situation.
link to original post
Shooled by TBC on AP. OUCH!!!
FYI. Dawg says hi.
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You’re an illiterate troll lol.
Give Cujo tummy scratches for me, I miss that little fluffer.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 16th, 2023 at 2:47:59 PM
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Quote: PokerGrinder
Give Cujo tummy scratches for me, I miss that little fluffer.
I always assumed Axel was the Fluffer.
Order from chaos
March 16th, 2023 at 10:01:21 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfDude, don't be mad cus Tony Big Charles is both better looking and smarter than you by a factor of 3.Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfNope... Tony pawned you regarding this situation and you are unwilling to.admit it..Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfPerhaps, but you guys dogged him regarding the information he laid out. At that point he never said how he played it or if he got the offers.Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfI wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.Quote: PokerGrinderAxel you’re an enormous troll lol
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If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.
Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
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Ok first off, he didn’t know what if anything he would get back from the casino for his play. He is 100% playing a losing game whether he counts or not because he has said that he doesn’t raise his bets with the count and doesn’t know the indices. Tony is a long time ploppy who wins at poker and dumps on recreational gambling. Obviously you know that I know how to maximize offers from casinos but what I’m saying is Tony was degenning and got offers vs Tony knew he could play x amount of time and lose x amount of ev to gain x amount of offers.
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Let's take a look.
You"Wow amazing ap play there Tony. Lose $5-6k and get back $5100 in free bets that are worth half their value…"
Bill "Lose money on every play, but make it up with volume. That sounds like a plan.
The only thing better than having a plan is having a good one."
Both of your comments made it seem as if this was a -EV situation and totally dumb to even consider. If I had to guess, you guys didn't actually think about it. You saw the" lose 5-6k and get back 2250" and thought, how dumb.
link to original post
Again I was commenting on Tony’s ap play because it clearly wasn’t an ap play. I’m not saying what you or I who real aps could do with this situation.
link to original post
Shooled by TBC on AP. OUCH!!!
FYI. Dawg says hi.
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You’re an illiterate troll lol.
Give Cujo tummy scratches for me, I miss that little fluffer.
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I’m not offended but Tony should be as you are clearly making fun of him lol
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
March 17th, 2023 at 1:03:41 AM
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Everyone needs a side gig.Quote: DRichQuote: PokerGrinder
Give Cujo tummy scratches for me, I miss that little fluffer.
I always assumed Axel was the Fluffer.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
