Why do casinos let well known APs play?
Quote: tuttigymThese narratives make me glad that I am a "recreational" player with no real expectations of the grandioso gigantic win. However, I am looking to win the Mega Ball and splurged on 5 plays for $10. Isn't that a "must win" situation or play?
tuttigym
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No. It isn’t. ‘must wins’ MUST hit before they reach a certain level. The lottery, at least the one you are talking about, will go up UNTIL it hits. No pre set maximum.
It’s really a simple, easily understandable difference.
These days it’s all about dice influencing. Keeping them on axis while barely touching the back wallQuote: JackSpadeCasinos have taken enough measures to render card counting futile that they aren't very concerned about it anymore compared to other advantage plays and cheats. In Blackjack Apprentice's latest video, he calls himself a "former professional card counter" and admits card counting in Las Vegas is essentially dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_D70PxB6sA
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Quote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: JackSpadeI am referring (for example) to Ainsworth must-hit progressive slots.
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Of course there's only ONE machine linked to this progressive.
Right?
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Ab so effing lutely.
It's like you are just determined to speak on matters you have no knowledge of
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Welcome to wizard of Vegas, you are clearly new here Darkoz so welcome lol
You scoff, but I am in fat city now that I realized the online e-craps games don't require me to hit the back wall at all.Quote: Ace2]These days it’s all about dice influencing. Keeping them on axis while barely touching the back wall
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Hokus pokus. If Dancer has a 1% edge over the casinos playing VP how many millions of dollars must he play thru to walk out with a million?
Last time I looked 1% on $1million was $10,000.
And how many times has Dancer had a million dollar win?
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I also had Bob Dancer come to mind when I saw this thread.
Do, or should (from the casino's perspective) Known APs from non-blackjack games, be automatically barred from blackjack?
If I were the casino. Bob Dancer, Phil Ivey, Michael Shackelford, etc etc would all be automatically barred. I think the fact that Phil Ivey was allowed to play bac was a bad decision on the casino's part. But I'll consider bac a grey area. Blackjack is more straightforward.
APs from poker, video poker, craps, etc all possess the understandings of things like "House edge", "Expected Value" and demonstrated they are extremely capable of turning knowledge of EV into money. Why would I as a casino, not expect them to also AP my blackjack?
Disclaimer: I don't know if Dancer is actually barred form blackjack. I'm just theoretically saying If I were the casino, anyone proving they have the skills to turn +EV into money would be automatically barred.
Quote: IWannaBeAPIf I were the casino, anyone proving they have the skills to turn +EV into money would be automatically barred.
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I think EVERY player has a certain amount of skill. Maybe they're sill level doesn't reach that of an expert card counter but they have some level of skill when playing.
It seems strange that any casino would want to advertise itself to an audience of APs and aspiring APs. Even if all they're going to do is play video poker, they're presumably going to play it in a way that gives the casino a razor thin opportunity at best for profit. Maybe the casino's marketing department just cares about generating foot traffic and isn't savvy about how skilled players will try to exploit their games. Or maybe Dancer's audience consists of a lot of gamblers who aren't very disciplined and after getting bored or frustrated playing video poker will dump thousands into slots or roulette or whatever else tempts them.
Quote: JackSpadeDoesn't Southpoint actually pay to sponsor Bob Dancer's podcast?
It seems strange that any casino would want to advertise itself to an audience of APs and aspiring APs. Even if all they're going to do is play video poker, they're presumably going to play it in a way that gives the casino a razor thin opportunity at best for profit. Maybe the casino's marketing department just cares about generating foot traffic and isn't savvy about how skilled players will try to exploit their games. Or maybe Dancer's audience consists of a lot of gamblers who aren't very disciplined and after getting bored or frustrated playing video poker will dump thousands into slots or roulette or whatever else tempts them.
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All of the above.
It drives foot traffic. The casino has a built in profit on its VP games. The visitors play other games and buy food.
Since most games (like craps and roulette ) are 100% games of chance, how could any player be “skilled” at them?Quote: AlanMendelson
I think EVERY player has a certain amount of skill. Maybe they're sill level doesn't reach that of an expert card counter but they have some level of skill when playing.
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Very high-end clientele on the casino bus. Years ago I actually took it once…my first and last rideQuote: MentalMaybe you should try riding a casino bus. Nobody on a casino bus ever remembers their losses. The whole bus is full of winners and people who talk loudly about their system.
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Quote: Ace2Since most games (like craps and roulette ) are 100% games of chance, how could any player be “skilled” at them?Quote: AlanMendelson
I think EVERY player has a certain amount of skill. Maybe they're sill level doesn't reach that of an expert card counter but they have some level of skill when playing.
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What kind of AP are you?
Don't you look for biased wheels and loaded dice and special promotions?
Quote: Ace2Since most games (like craps and roulette ) are 100% games of chance, how could any player be “skilled” at them?Quote: AlanMendelson
I think EVERY player has a certain amount of skill. Maybe they're sill level doesn't reach that of an expert card counter but they have some level of skill when playing.
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I am, but I am "from another planet."
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Quote: ViennaPizzaFirst of all I'm not talking about blackjack.
This is mostly regarding promotions combined with video poker. Although I can see it being possible with other games as well.
In online casinos, if you AP their promotions, you get bonus banned quite quickly.
Why don't land casinos do the same?
The most common form of AP that I often hear people do is low HE video poker during a promotion, which makes the game positive. Sometimes, including the comps is necessary to make the game +EV but the casino comps the AP anyway.
First of all it should be extremely easy to detect a video poker AP. All they have to do is to look at the people who play way too much (what kind of recreational player sits at a VP machine for 10 hours in a day?), check if the game is low HE, check their play accuracy (A professional video poker player should have nearly 100%). And they can easily spot every single one of the pro VP players.
Not only that, but they let people who are EXTREMELY well known in the AP community play. Some of these people are in this very forums. Many of them have literally written books on how to AP casinos. Their names are no secrets. Databasing them and banning them should be a piece of cake.
I'm seriously wondering why land casinos allow professional video pokers to exist, given how easy it is to catch them. I don't understand why their policy towards blackjack is so different than their policy towards video poker. Online casinos have absolutely no tolerance to AP'ing. So why do land casinos allow people who have written books on how to beat the casino, to continue to play in the casino?
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In regards to machines and promotions there are simply to many machines and systems to manage effectively. Everything is still set up by humans and humans tend to make mistakes. Casino are always moving machines changing out hardware, and trying to adjust marketing offers to get max value. The real threat to plays are APs who like to tell everyone the vulnerabilities they discover simply for clout. The younger guys seem to value clout, and community making friends over money. So the best exploits have a limited lifespan. I for one will no longer try to milk a play because of the current climate. Rest assured if I find something now it won’t last long. Eventually someone in the casino will realize how much they are losing, and they will fix it.
But can someone answer the question: Why do online casinos have near zero tolerance for AP's? What makes their reasoning significantly different from the land casinos?
People are and have been APing Advantage Playing online casinos all day every day.Quote: ViennaPizzaHonestly a lot of solid answers so far. (But a few wrong answers too)
But can someone answer the question: Why do online casinos have near zero tolerance for AP's? What makes their reasoning significantly different from the land casinos?
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One of the main differences between an online casino and a land base casino is that all the information online(Wins, Losses, games played, etc. can be tracked with great accuracy. They know exactly how much an account is up or down. There are some online casinos where the same people have been AP'ing the same places for years off and on.
You can AP land base casinos without them ever knowing your name or what you are doing.
Most APs are not looking for a Million dollar win all at once. Assuming one is property bankrolled and finds a high enough denomination, a smaller denomination with multiple lines, or something super fast with a 1% edge you certainly crank out some significant coin-in while making hundreds -thousands an hour. I know, I know, you want details, where, what, when, how, those plays and situations are.Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: AlanMendelson[
Casinos have no problems with APs winning on machines. Someone has to win on machines. If it's an AP or its Martha from Michigan it's the same money.
You are 100% wrong on that.
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I understand casinos don't want APs vulturing progressives and must hit by machines but why would a casino rather have a tourist leave with the money rather than someone who funnels millions thru the machines? What am I missing?
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You are missing that an AP is funneling millions through the machines to walk out with millions more.
In their eyes a player who gets lucky is just part of the bottom line. But one who is doing advantageous play is AFFECTING their bottom line.
Plus the lucky Ploppy can probably be wooed back with mailers and offers to lose it all back.
And failing that the Casino get huge publicity from the fact someone got lucky which is magnetic for the other ploppies even if the actual winner never returns
Meanwhile the AP keeps in the shadows. Leaves with the money and delivers nothing of worth to the casino.
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Hokus pokus. If Dancer has a 1% edge over the casinos playing VP how many millions of dollars must he play thru to walk out with a million?
Last time I looked 1% on $1million was $10,000.
And how many times has Dancer had a million dollar win?
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Well, If APs should mind their own business as you suggested, then so should SOME non-APs/ploppies
Quote: AxelWolfMost APs are not looking for a Million dollar win all at once. Assuming one is property bankrolled and finds a high enough denomination, a smaller denomination with multiple lines, or something super fast with a 1% edge you certainly crank out some significant coin-in while making hundreds -thousands an hour. I know, I know, you want details, where, what, when, how, those plays and situations are.Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: AlanMendelson[
Casinos have no problems with APs winning on machines. Someone has to win on machines. If it's an AP or its Martha from Michigan it's the same money.
You are 100% wrong on that.
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I understand casinos don't want APs vulturing progressives and must hit by machines but why would a casino rather have a tourist leave with the money rather than someone who funnels millions thru the machines? What am I missing?
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You are missing that an AP is funneling millions through the machines to walk out with millions more.
In their eyes a player who gets lucky is just part of the bottom line. But one who is doing advantageous play is AFFECTING their bottom line.
Plus the lucky Ploppy can probably be wooed back with mailers and offers to lose it all back.
And failing that the Casino get huge publicity from the fact someone got lucky which is magnetic for the other ploppies even if the actual winner never returns
Meanwhile the AP keeps in the shadows. Leaves with the money and delivers nothing of worth to the casino.
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Hokus pokus. If Dancer has a 1% edge over the casinos playing VP how many millions of dollars must he play thru to walk out with a million?
Last time I looked 1% on $1million was $10,000.
And how many times has Dancer had a million dollar win?
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Well, If APs should mind their own business as you suggested, then so should SOME non-APs/ploppies
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I don't need any details at all because I agree Dancer is playing with only a 1% edge.
It was Darkoz who said "You are missing that an AP is funneling millions through the machines to walk out with millions more."
And I questioned the millions.
YES!!! Most APs don't even want to mess around with a measly 1% edge.Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkoz
You are missing that an AP is funneling millions through the machines to walk out with millions more.
With a 1% edge? Nice trick.Quote: darkozPlus the lucky Ploppy can probably be wooed back with mailers and offers to lose it all back.
Mailers and offers? The same thing APs need to have their edge.Quote: darkozMeanwhile the AP keeps in the shadows. Leaves with the money and delivers nothing of worth to the casino.
Except when they lose.
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If you think it's only a 1% edge then you don't understand anything you have read here for the last several months.
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Really? People have more than a 1% edge playing video poker or blackjack?
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How much of an advantage are you claiming?
5% perhaps? 10% maybe?
I would have to believe on average Dancer is playing with more than a 1% advantage. Either way, He has other gigs going on and he isn't a typical AP.Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: AxelWolfMost APs are not looking for a Million dollar win all at once. Assuming one is property bankrolled and finds a high enough denomination, a smaller denomination with multiple lines, or something super fast with a 1% edge you certainly crank out some significant coin-in while making hundreds -thousands an hour. I know, I know, you want details, where, what, when, how, those plays and situations are.Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: darkozQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: AlanMendelson[
Casinos have no problems with APs winning on machines. Someone has to win on machines. If it's an AP or its Martha from Michigan it's the same money.
You are 100% wrong on that.
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I understand casinos don't want APs vulturing progressives and must hit by machines but why would a casino rather have a tourist leave with the money rather than someone who funnels millions thru the machines? What am I missing?
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You are missing that an AP is funneling millions through the machines to walk out with millions more.
In their eyes a player who gets lucky is just part of the bottom line. But one who is doing advantageous play is AFFECTING their bottom line.
Plus the lucky Ploppy can probably be wooed back with mailers and offers to lose it all back.
And failing that the Casino get huge publicity from the fact someone got lucky which is magnetic for the other ploppies even if the actual winner never returns
Meanwhile the AP keeps in the shadows. Leaves with the money and delivers nothing of worth to the casino.
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Hokus pokus. If Dancer has a 1% edge over the casinos playing VP how many millions of dollars must he play thru to walk out with a million?
Last time I looked 1% on $1million was $10,000.
And how many times has Dancer had a million dollar win?
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Well, If APs should mind their own business as you suggested, then so should SOME non-APs/ploppies
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I don't need any details at all because I agree Dancer is playing with only a 1% edge.
It was Darkoz who said "You are missing that an AP is funneling millions through the machines to walk out with millions more."
And I questioned the millions.
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No it doesn't, it means exactly what is stated. If you have a 1% PA you have a 1% percent advantage period.Quote: AlanMendelsonA measly 1% edge actually means you have a 2% advantage since the casino starts with a 1% edge on most of its games.
How much of an advantage are you claiming?
5% perhaps? 10% maybe?
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What you just said makes absolutely no sense. If a VP machine has a paytable of 100.7 and someone skilled enough is playing it they will achieve close to 100.7. I say close since no one is perfect. The casino is not starting with any advantage on a game like that. They gain their advantage on a game like that because the average player makes about 5% or more in mistakes/bad play.
If a casino is running a promo that adds 3% and a skilled player is playing a -1% game... that player has close to a 2% advantage. For example, a casino normally has .2% cash back, but they are running a 15x points promo.
Also, regarding linked or not linked must hits, if it's good enough, a team will lock it up and edge out the ploppies.Quote: AlanMendelson
As it should be.Quote: AlanMendelsonFrom now on I promise that Axelwolf will have the last word on all discussions.
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I am sure that online casinos have been hit by thousands of sock-puppet accounts signing up and funding the account just for the signup bonuses. I got banned from one casino on the the first few days for playing big on a $1000 bonus and winning a big slot bonus round. Since then, I have hit much bigger jackpots at other sites and I have been allowed to keep playing. I think new players come under special scrutiny.Quote: ViennaPizzaBut can someone answer the question: Why do online casinos have near zero tolerance for AP's? What makes their reasoning significantly different from the land casinos?
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The signup bonus is basically a big 100% los rebate promo. The online casinos probably have this scam figured out. The MO looks pretty suspicious. Most ploppies make a small initial deposit and play penny slots. I was betting $375 a spin when I got lucky. My play was examined and they said 'no mas'. They did cash me out. I have signed up to some sites and lost the initial bonus and then multiple redeposit bonuses. The day after I won for the first time, I got cut off from all bonuses.
I have no idea what fraction of AP accounts get in trouble immediately versus after months or years of winning. I employ two tactics that may help my longevity. I do a lot of slot auto-play with no edge whatsoever. This dilutes the action from my real AP play. It also hide my AP play within a very large transaction log. If they want to figure out what I am really up to, they will have to invest a lot of time and expertise. I also keep my withdrawals small. Below some dollar limit, withdrawals are not even reviewed by a human at some sites. It would make sense that these sites would still do a periodic review of all players to flag long-term winners. I am still just withdrawing my deposits at most sites. I have never taken a significant amount of winnings out of any one site. I am a net winner at many sites, but I have not realized these winnings yet. This means my winnings are a interest free loan to the sites.
Most of them make you send KYC documents. I had one place recently tell me the documents needed to be notarized.
Quote: AxelWolfNowadays for the most part the online casino's don't bann you... they just take away your bonuses
Most of them make you send KYC documents. I had one place recently tell me the documents needed to be notarized.
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If I was paying, how big of a list could you generate of Stores whom you successfully cleared and cashed a bonus?
From the beginning of when I started playing online? I play in spurts depending on what's going on.Quote: rainmanQuote: AxelWolfNowadays for the most part the online casino's don't bann you... they just take away your bonuses
Most of them make you send KYC documents. I had one place recently tell me the documents needed to be notarized.
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If I was paying, how big of a list could you generate of Stores whom you successfully cleared and cashed a bonus?
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I could come close, assuming I could find them in my garage, have a few binders somewhere from the early 2000s. I used to screenshot the logos, keep track of passwords, and usernames, I'd print out the T&C, Keep track of what kind of bonuses, wagering req's, how well I did, how fast they paid out and what the best games were, etc.
It looked like a grade school homework book once I was done, I actually had gold stars I would stick at the top 1-5 stars, smiley faces/sad faces, and notes. My Wife would then use that as a guide.
Nowadays I use Trello boards online, It's a great App, it's free, and has tons of options. I haven't figured out how to add calculation fields to it yet.
Quote: AxelWolfFrom the beginning of when I started playing online? I play in spurts depending on what's going on.Quote: rainmanQuote: AxelWolfNowadays for the most part the online casino's don't bann you... they just take away your bonuses
Most of them make you send KYC documents. I had one place recently tell me the documents needed to be notarized.
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If I was paying, how big of a list could you generate of Stores whom you successfully cleared and cashed a bonus?
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I could come close, assuming I could find them in my garage, have a few binders somewhere from the early 2000s. I used to screenshot the logos, keep track of passwords, and usernames, I'd print out the T&C, Keep track of what kind of bonuses, wagering req's, how well I did, how fast they paid out and what the best games were, etc.
It looked like a grade school homework book once I was done, I actually had gold stars I would stick at the top 1-5 stars, smiley faces/sad faces, and notes. My Wife would then use that as a guide.
Nowadays I use Trello boards online, It's a great App, it's free, and has tons of options. I haven't figured out how to add calculation fields to it yet.
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Jeez, you make it seem like a job.
Quote: billryanJeez, you make it seem like a job.
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It feels like a job to me. The hours are crappy but the pay is oaky and I can work from home.
I don't put that much time into it. I probably spend more time messing around with Trello boards, scouting, and figuring out new stuff than playing. It's actually fun, it's more like a hobby that I can do while watching a show, on the forum, reading, while traveling etc. Sending in documents to get verified and dealing with technical issues and waiting on payments is a pain in the ass.Quote: billryanQuote: AxelWolfFrom the beginning of when I started playing online? I play in spurts depending on what's going on.Quote: rainmanQuote: AxelWolfNowadays for the most part the online casino's don't bann you... they just take away your bonuses
Most of them make you send KYC documents. I had one place recently tell me the documents needed to be notarized.
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If I was paying, how big of a list could you generate of Stores whom you successfully cleared and cashed a bonus?
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I could come close, assuming I could find them in my garage, have a few binders somewhere from the early 2000s. I used to screenshot the logos, keep track of passwords, and usernames, I'd print out the T&C, Keep track of what kind of bonuses, wagering req's, how well I did, how fast they paid out and what the best games were, etc.
It looked like a grade school homework book once I was done, I actually had gold stars I would stick at the top 1-5 stars, smiley faces/sad faces, and notes. My Wife would then use that as a guide.
Nowadays I use Trello boards online, It's a great App, it's free, and has tons of options. I haven't figured out how to add calculation fields to it yet.
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Jeez, you make it seem like a job.
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This statement demonstrates that you don’t even know what the basic terms “edge” and “advantage” actually mean.Quote: AlanMendelsonA measly 1% edge actually means you have a 2% advantage since the casino starts with a 1% edge on most of its games. link to original post
As posted previously, they are what they are. They aren’t relative to some other percentage
I advise you to steer clear of all forms of gambling
I was trying to get into his state of thinking of why he said that. I think I had an inkling of what he was trying to get at, but then I said F it, whatever it is he is trying to say is meaningless. I was going to post this...Quote: Ace2This statement demonstrates that you don’t even know what the basic terms “edge” and “advantage” actually mean. I advise you to steer clear of all forms of gamblingQuote: AlanMendelsonA measly 1% edge actually means you have a 2% advantage since the casino starts with a 1% edge on most of its games. link to original post
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But, I figured that wouldn't be helpful.
I was trying to get into his state of thinking of why he said that. I think I had an inkling of what he was trying to get at, but then I said F it, whatever it is he is trying to say is meaningless. I was going to post this...Quote: Ace2This statement demonstrates that you don’t even know what the basic terms “edge” and “advantage” actually mean. I advise you to steer clear of all forms of gamblingQuote: AlanMendelsonA measly 1% edge actually means you have a 2% advantage since the casino starts with a 1% edge on most of its games. link to original post
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But, I figured that wouldn't be helpful.
Oops wrong video(I like that song)
Intended video:
Quote: AxelWolfI don't put that much time into it. I probably spend more time messing around with Trello boards, scouting, and figuring out new stuff than playing. It's actually fun, it's more like a hobby that I can do while watching a show, on the forum, reading, while traveling etc. Sending in documents to get verified and dealing with technical issues and waiting on payments is a pain in the ass.Quote: billryanQuote: AxelWolfFrom the beginning of when I started playing online? I play in spurts depending on what's going on.Quote: rainmanQuote: AxelWolfNowadays for the most part the online casino's don't bann you... they just take away your bonuses
Most of them make you send KYC documents. I had one place recently tell me the documents needed to be notarized.
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If I was paying, how big of a list could you generate of Stores whom you successfully cleared and cashed a bonus?
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I could come close, assuming I could find them in my garage, have a few binders somewhere from the early 2000s. I used to screenshot the logos, keep track of passwords, and usernames, I'd print out the T&C, Keep track of what kind of bonuses, wagering req's, how well I did, how fast they paid out and what the best games were, etc.
It looked like a grade school homework book once I was done, I actually had gold stars I would stick at the top 1-5 stars, smiley faces/sad faces, and notes. My Wife would then use that as a guide.
Unfortunately my approach requires that I click the button over and over.. click,click,click click brutal.
Come to think of it Its the brute force advantage play. Sometime after Christmas I'm going to AC and
swinging for the fence (over betting my roll0 sometimes you gotta take a shot.
Nowadays I use Trello boards online, It's a great App, it's free, and has tons of options. I haven't figured out how to add calculation fields to it yet.
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Jeez, you make it seem like a job.
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Quote: AxelWolfNo it doesn't, it means exactly what is stated. If you have a 1% PA you have a 1% percent advantage period.
What you just said makes absolutely no sense. If a VP machine has a paytable of 100.7 and someone skilled enough is playing it they will achieve close to 100.7. I say close since no one is perfect. The casino is not starting with any advantage on a game like that. They gain their advantage on a game like that because the average player makes about 5% or more in mistakes/bad play.
If a casino is running a promo that adds 3% and a skilled player is playing a -1% game... that player has close to a 2% advantage. For example, a casino normally has .2% cash back, but they are running a 15x points promo.
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Axelwolf, can you give some guidelines on how to get value out of points multipliers?
My local Caesars branch has a promotional day where it's it's a 10x-300x mystery reward points multiplier. Caesars claim their rewards are worth 0.1%, but that's only if it's redeemed for food, which I don't need. I don't need hotels either.
Their best game is single line 9/6 double double bonus at about 99%. 10x would make it break even, only if it's able to be redeemed for full value.
But turning it into free slot play only gets half the value, and it still becomes a losing game.
Also I have a feeling almost nobody is going to get the 300x...
I assume this isn't just a problem with Caesars Casinos. I've heard almost all casinos have their "points" value reduced when turned into free slot play.
Any suggestions?
Quote: AxelWolfI don't put that much time into it. I probably spend more time messing around with Trello boards, scouting, and figuring out new stuff than playing. It's actually fun, it's more like a hobby that I can do while watching a show, on the forum, reading, while traveling etc. Sending in documents to get verified and dealing with technical issues and waiting on payments is a pain in the ass.Quote: billryanQuote: AxelWolfFrom the beginning of when I started playing online? I play in spurts depending on what's going on.Quote: rainmanQuote: AxelWolfNowadays for the most part the online casino's don't bann you... they just take away your bonuses
Most of them make you send KYC documents. I had one place recently tell me the documents needed to be notarized.
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If I was paying, how big of a list could you generate of Stores whom you successfully cleared and cashed a bonus?
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I could come close, assuming I could find them in my garage, have a few binders somewhere from the early 2000s. I used to screenshot the logos, keep track of passwords, and usernames, I'd print out the T&C, Keep track of what kind of bonuses, wagering req's, how well I did, how fast they paid out and what the best games were, etc.
It looked like a grade school homework book once I was done, I actually had gold stars I would stick at the top 1-5 stars, smiley faces/sad faces, and notes. My Wife would then use that as a guide.
Nowadays I use Trello boards online, It's a great App, it's free, and has tons of options. I haven't figured out how to add calculation fields to it yet.
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Jeez, you make it seem like a job.
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All I do is click a button over & over mindless button clicking. I have been shut down since before Covid.
After Christmas I Will be in AC in a dark hotel room with a mini projector hooked to a laptop projecting
on the wall click, click clicking every 3-5 seconds all day all night as long as I can take it for 2-3 weeks
straight.
Quote: Ace2This statement demonstrates that you don’t even know what the basic terms “edge” and “advantage” actually mean.Quote: AlanMendelsonA measly 1% edge actually means you have a 2% advantage since the casino starts with a 1% edge on most of its games. link to original post
As posted previously, they are what they are. They aren’t relative to some other percentage
I advise you to steer clear of all forms of gambling
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I concede my definitions may be different.
I've noticed that the definition of ploppie on this forum is different from 8 other forums including bj21.com
I also concede I'm a small potatoes gambler compared to many here who keep detailed records of promos, offers, payments, pay schedules, and operations of online casinos. Wow... talk about a full time job, or obsession, or whatever.
I'm really way out of your league here.
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I concede my definitions may be different.
I've noticed that the definition of ploppie on this forum is different from 8 other forums including bj21.com
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I think it's time to settle this "ploppy" thing once and for all - with Democracy. Since you highjacked both of my threads to argue with people what the definition of ploppy is. Let's see how many people actually take your side.
@ AlanMendelson this is for you
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I concede my definitions may be different.
I've noticed that the definition of ploppie on this forum is different from 8 other forums including bj21.com
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I think it's time to settle this "ploppy" thing once and for all - with Democracy. Since you highjacked both of my threads to argue with people what the definition of ploppy is. Let's see how many people actually take your side.
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I don't use the word but 8 other websites say it is offensive.
I think you should raise this on the 8 other websites.
It seems pointless to discuss it here where it seems everyone but me disagrees with the 8 other websites including bj21.com
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I concede my definitions may be different.
I've noticed that the definition of ploppie on this forum is different from 8 other forums including bj21.com
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I think it's time to settle this "ploppy" thing once and for all - with Democracy. Since you highjacked both of my threads to argue with people what the definition of ploppy is. Let's see how many people actually take your side.
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I don't use the word but 8 other websites say it is offensive.
I think you should raise this on the 8 other websites.
It seems pointless to discuss it here where it seems everyone but me disagrees with the 8 other websites including bj21.com
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Uhh, proof? I use this word all the time. Which 8 sites? Show evidence?
First the definition as listed in Blackjack Apprentice:
Ploppy: Your typical sucker blackjack player. Originally coined by Frank Scoblete to describe people who plop down at a Blackjack table without the ability to count cards and play with a winning strategy.
Second, there is a thread on this forum (Wizard of Odds) that discusses ploppie. It is titled "Define Ploppy."
Now the other websites where ploppie has a negative and/or derogatory meaning:
Wiktionary
Urban Dictionary
Casino City Times
Blackjack Info
BJ21.com
Blackjack Apprenticeship
Blackjack Forum
Now... is there anyone here using ploppie as a term of endearment?
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Second, there is a thread on this forum (Wizard of Odds) that discusses ploppie. It is titled "Define Ploppy."
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A few links for the search impaired:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/12172-define-ploppy/#post200429
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/22947-origin-of-the-term-ploppy/#post477388
Personal observations:
Ploppies seem to be having more fun than people taking it seriously.
There is some absolute gold in those old threads.
This is how you get yourself in trouble. Ploppie is a subjective term, but house edge is not.Quote: AlanMendelsonI concede my definitions may be different.
I've noticed that the definition of ploppie on this forum is different from 8 other forums including bj21.com
House edge is a simple concept and has an exact definition. Your definition of it is irrelevant and also wrong since it differs from the actual definition
Quote: AlanMendelsonA measly 1% edge actually means you have a 2% advantage since the casino starts with a 1% edge on most of its games.
How much of an advantage are you claiming?
5% perhaps? 10% maybe?
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Sometimes you find things better. Like a bet that pays 39 to 1 that you can play straight up. You think this can’t be real and I better take advantage of it before the casino fixes their mistake. Before you know it’s been 4 months, and you forgot what day it is. Yet still can’t believe other APs keep walking by without even noticing. It was all dream I used to read word up magazine !!
