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Then I will decide.
What is the point of that rigamarole?
She was banging a high roller in a car in the casino paring lot.
Report it, to save yourself if no one else.
Quote: MrV
What is the point of that rigamarole?
It makes sense to me.
Quote: Marcusclark66She is going to be called in for a drug test, updated background check and credit bureau check.
Then I will decide.
As an HR professional for almost 20 years, this is a terrible idea. I can’t believe your HR would sign off on this. I literally can’t believe it. No HR person worth anything would ever sign off on this.
Quote: Marcusclark66She is going to be called in for a drug test, updated background check and credit bureau check.
Then I will decide.
Imo your decision has been made for you.
If she is being forced to do all that and there is no explanation why, she may have grounds for harassment or who knows (I am not a lawyer but no one likes background checks and drug tests).
And what are you going to say then? Well, she was caught having an illicit affair but I didn't report it cause I felt bad... For the high roller?
I have been made aware of many situations where employees have been caught in some stage of having sex on the premises.
To the best of my knowledge, the security professionals at first make a discreet oral report to their superiors who inform the line management of the employees. In your case, I think that would include the Host of the big roller and someone with line management responsibility for the dealer. Then the line managers make a judgement how to handle the human beings involved. I have seen a wide range of outcomes in such situations, but it should be the dealer's line management and the big roller's host who should be made aware and make their decisions. They may also make some requests about how you handle the written report.
What would you do if you found out employees, especially security personnel was reporting such things on a public forum that included dates, possible locations, persnal financial losses and occupations?Quote: gordonm888I have been a senior manager with hundreds of employees reporting to me at an installation where we have physical security teams (A government laboratory on land the size of Manhattan Island with nuclear operations).
I have been made aware of many situations where employees have been caught in some stage of having sex on the premises.
To the best of my knowledge, the security professionals at first make a discreet oral report to their superiors who inform the line management of the employees. In your case, I think that would include the Host of the big roller and someone with line management responsibility for the dealer. Then the line managers make a judgement how to handle the human beings involved. I have seen a wide range of outcomes in such situations, but it should be the dealer's line management and the big roller's host who should be made aware and make their decisions. They may also make some requests about how you handle the written report.
In HR they call it a "hot stove rule." A hot stove burns both the company CEO and janitor in the same way. Ditto something like this. Cannot ignore it, have to follow procedure. YOU are not "ruining their lives" but THEY are ruining their lives.
Next time maybe they are not too cheap to get a room.
20 years in HR.. meh..You have nothing on a casino security expert.Quote: FinsRuleAs an HR professional for almost 20 years, this is a terrible idea. I can’t believe your HR would sign off on this. I literally can’t believe it. No HR person worth anything would ever sign off on this.
A woman was startled and accidently bit down on a male organ, injuring said organ. A decision was made that the required safety report was worded as " the employee suffered a contused appendage." The employees received some HR penalties.
Two hourly employees, who were high-valued assistants of senior managers, were caught while on the job. They were found guilty of a time-sheet violation and docked 30 minutes pay.
Two employees were caught having sex in a parking lot. They were dismissed "for cause' but allowed to keep their pension and other post-employment benefits.
A senior highly -regarded manager was found at his desk with his pants down and a female employee under the desk. Twice. After the second occurrence he was relieved of his responsibilities and demoted in rank and pay, but given "special assignments."
Its uneven, because there is discretion allowed. Corporate superstars tend to get off light (but not always) and problem employees with a written track record of issues get dealt with more severely.
Quote: FinsRuleAs an HR professional for almost 20 years, this is a terrible idea. I can’t believe your HR would sign off on this. I literally can’t believe it. No HR person worth anything would ever sign off on this.
Because none of this is real.
But let’s assume it is real for a minute. Marcus Clark is leading us to believe he is posting salacious details about patrons and employees from the casino he works at, information he is privy to only because of his position, and using his real full name.
So the answer to this poll is that Marcus Clark is the one that should be fired. But all of this is fake anyway.
Quote: AxelWolfWhat would you do if you found out employees, especially security personnel was reporting such things on a public forum that included dates, possible locations, persnal financial losses and occupations?
I would report it to his line manager in security and it would be investigated. I am almost certain some action would be taken: anywhere from a formal reprimand and a short leave of absence up to dismissal. I do not know Marcus Clarke's job situation and am not commenting on him directly, just on how we would have handled a case of a security officer airing details of a security/personnel incident on social media.
Some violations mean automatic dismissal. Examples; Theft, or Physical Violence in the Workplace (Fighting). Other kinds of serious violations had a range of penalties up to and including dismissal, depending upon management judgment.
Quote: gordonm888I have been a senior manager with hundreds of employees reporting to me at an installation where we have physical security teams (A government laboratory on land the size of Manhattan Island with nuclear operations).
I have been made aware of many situations where employees have been caught in some stage of having sex on the premises.
To the best of my knowledge, the security professionals at first make a discreet oral report to their superiors who inform the line management of the employees. In your case, I think that would include the Host of the big roller and someone with line management responsibility for the dealer. Then the line managers make a judgement how to handle the human beings involved. I have seen a wide range of outcomes in such situations, but it should be the dealer's line management and the big roller's host who should be made aware and make their decisions. They may also make some requests about how you handle the written report.
In most ways, you are correct.
And that is why she is being subjected to the updated security clearances.
Quote: gordonm888I would report it to his line manager in security and it would be investigated. I am almost certain some action would be taken: anywhere from a formal reprimand and a short leave of absence up to dismissal. I do not know Marcus Clarke's job situation and am not commenting on him directly, just on how we would have handled a case of a security officer airing details of a security/personnel incident on social media.
Some violations mean automatic dismissal. Examples; Theft, or Physical Violence in the Workplace (Fighting). Other kinds of serious violations had a range of penalties up to and including dismissal, depending upon management judgment.
No personal details or identifications were ever released.
Quote: Marcusclark66No personal details or identifications were ever released.
That's because there aren't any.
Quote: sabreThat's because there aren't any.
In your opinion.
IMO you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Quote: gamerfreakBecause none of this is real.
But let’s assume it is real for a minute. Marcus Clark is leading us to believe he is posting salacious details about patrons and employees from the casino he works at, information he is privy to only because of his position, and using his real full name.
So the answer to this poll is that Marcus Clark is the one that should be fired. But all of this is fake anyway.
Sorry not in the poll.
But maybe you meant #3?
Quote: Marcusclark66No personal details or identifications were ever released.
The situational details are specific enough to cause trouble for all parties involved, and barely vague enough to avoid a Rule 4 violation.
Quote: Marcusclark66No personal details or identifications were ever released.
Just the name of some casino security employee named Marcus Clark.
Quote: Marcusclark66I need help deciding what I should do.
Last night what happened was, one of my security officers discovered a car with its brake lights on in the parking lot and when he went up to the car he observed a male and a female and upon telling them to get dressed, told them to step out of the vehicle. He learned that the male was a very valued High Roller at the casino who just happens to be well let's say attached in his personal relationship elsewhere and as well he's a very well-known business owner in the community. The female just happens to be one of our all game qualified dealers of many years and she too is attached outside of this relationship in the vehicle.
Yes casinos breed bad decisions and people don't think clearly at times, but life is life. Bring the dealer up on internal rule violations and her family/husband will certainly learn of the incident. As well, the patron's family/wife and business community will as well.
So my predicament is, ruin two lives or see to that it goes away?
Thanks for your time!
Marcus Clark
It's either an employee violation or it's not. I doubt there's a rule saying don't have sex with players in their car. Unless she broke a written rule, it should be done.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13It's either an employee violation or it's not. I doubt there's a rule saying don't have sex with players in their car. Unless she broke a written rule, it should be done.
ZCore13
never have i ever thought i would be agreeing with zcore
Quote: Zcore13It's either an employee violation or it's not. I doubt there's a rule saying don't have sex with players in their car. Unless she broke a written rule, it should be done.
ZCore13
Fratrenizing with a player on property engaged in a criminal code violation.
1. Does she have to inform the casino she is dating me?
2. If I sit at her table would she be required to alert her supervisor before dealing a hand?
Some thoughts..... Why would anyone believe this silly story from a 'professional security expert'?
If I was such, the LAST thing I would do was expose my pathetic lack of understanding of the requirements of MY job on an internet forum.
Mildly interesting as a hypothetical scenario.
Last question.... two people are in a car in what APPEARS to be a sexual act..... what is the level of the burden of proof to take action?
Quote: SOOPOO
Last question.... two people are in a car in what APPEARS to be a sexual act..... what is the level of the burden of proof to take action?
For security at a business? Very low. Anything beyond casual making out should be a tap on the glass. Give either party an opportunity to signal if they want out of the situation. If not then let them know it's time to move along.
As some rando? For me I'm not intervening unless I have a strong suspicion something isn't right. I'm not risking getting popped in the face by a pissed off dude thinking I'm a peeping Tom unless I strongly suspect there's a crime being committed.
I recall a story how cops look through a deceased’s wallet and remove call girl cards so the widow wouldn't discover it.
Quote: Marcusclark66Fratrenizing with a player on property engaged in a criminal code violation.
Fraternizing in the military yes. Fraternizing with a customer. I dont know. Having sex inside a car? My friend had sex in front of a water fountain on a bench downtown. Someone called the cops. And the cops just told him, “Now I know theres a better place to do this.” The girl stood up. And his dick dropped out. The cop let them go.
3 times, a worker accidentally walked in on others having sex. Weve never reprimanded anyone for sex.
Very nice.Quote: MDawgWhen I have had minor issues at casino resorts, such as (in my bachelor days) throwing parties in my suite - and there were noise complaints - typically casino security would look up the room registration, realize it was under my name, and then contact my host to have the host deal with it. So, yes, there is some sort of deference to the whims of high rollers in the casino industry.
As a mega high roller in Las Vegas, will your host send female...ahem…entertainers up to your suite? Are they even comped? Just curious
Quote: Marcusclark66Fratrenizing with a player on property engaged in a criminal code violation.
I'm not thinking I'll find that in your p&p's
ZCore13
Yes, some details were very specific, including a day/approximate time, how much someone won, what game they were playing, their marital status, their occupation, conversations, etc. I can't imagine upper management wanting anything like that being posted on public forums, especially from their security personal.Quote: DieterThe situational details are specific enough to cause trouble for all parties involved, and barely vague enough to avoid a Rule 4 violation.
Quote: jjjooogggFraternizing in the military yes. Fraternizing with a customer. I dont know. Having sex inside a car? My friend had sex in front of a water fountain on a bench downtown. Someone called the cops. And the cops just told him, “Now I know theres a better place to do this.” The girl stood up. And his dick dropped out. The cop let them go.
Some Rent-A-Cops have a mentality to exercise as much punitive power as possible in their own tiny kingdom, because outside of that they have nothing.
Get out of my head.Quote: gamerfreakBecause none of this is real.
But let’s assume it is real for a minute. Marcus Clark is leading us to believe he is posting salacious details about patrons and employees from the casino he works at, information he is privy to only because of his position, and using his real full name.
So the answer to this poll is that Marcus Clark is the one that should be fired. But all of this is fake anyway.
Thanks to those that were insightful and helpful.
Onward to the Monday corporate grind :)
Paperwork paperwork paperwork and more paperwork!
Marcus Clark
The mixed in rubbish was baked into the first post.Quote: Marcusclark66I have gained a few positive and helpful tips here with a bunch of mixed in 'rubish'.
Thanks to those that were insightful and helpful.
Onward to the Monday corporate grind :)
Paperwork paperwork paperwork and more paperwork!
Marcus Clark
Are you perhaps one of those?
Would you do that?
Have you done that?
You do realize that all casinos are private property? Correct?
Have a great day sir.
Quote: WellbushFor heaven's sake, leave the couple be. What business does ANYONE have interrupting one of the few joys of life in that scenario?
Wellbush, I bet your thought process said to itself never to mind about the "joys of life" scenario that man for the first time in his life is finally getting positive EV.
I can't recall ever seeing this, and I don't think it's all that frequent at most casinos. I would say, it's very rare. Given your title and how you have presented yourself here, it shows a lack of respect for the casino patrons and the casino itself. I can understand why this might be happening frequently at your casinos.Quote: Marcusclark66You know axel that there is a certain group of casino patrons that enter casinos that flip off the security personnel at the entry points.
NO. I think most everyone deserves respect until they demonstrate a reason to lose that respect. I even believe in 2 and 3rd chances, depending on the seriousness of the situation. I know some security guards who are some of the nicest people you will ever meet.Quote: Marcusclark66Are you perhaps one of those?
Would you do that?
Have you done that?
Even during the times where I have had serious problems with security guards, I never took it personally or put too much thought into the individuals. I realize that they are usually just doing what they are directed to do, they are trying to protect the casino, they don't have the proper training, or don't understand the laws. Of course, there are always a few #$% tards who know better but they just can't help themselves. Eventually, those types of people end up losing their job and costing the casinos lots of money via lawsuits.
No, I don't realize that ALL casinos are private property, especially since I dont believe that to be true(I thought you were an expert?) Even if it was true, I have no clue what that has to do with the fact that you are doing somthing most would consider unethical, private business or not. Just because it's a private business that doesn't mean you should be sharing people's private life on a public forum.Quote: Marcusclark66You do realize that all casinos are private property? Correct?
Thank you, I normally do.Quote: Marcusclark66Have a great day sir.
Speaking of a great day, shouldn't you be at work doing paperwork instead of being in here in the wee hours of the morning and still posting as of 9:30 am?
Quote: AxelWolf
shouldn't you be at work doing paperwork instead of being in here in the wee hours of the morning and still posting as of 9:30 am?
You worry about me and I throw out a huge hug to you!
Marcus Clark
That'll teach em!
Quote: rainmanOFF with their Heads!
Rule 18. Warning only.
Quote: DieterRule 18. Warning only.
I had to look up rule 18.
"Off with their heads" is a common joke not to be taken seriously and comes from the Queen of Hearts in Alice in wonderland. She used it so often and on everyone for the slightest infraction, that it became a joke.
I didn't take the comment as any suggestion of actual violence
NVM DarkOZ covered it.Quote: DieterRule 18. Warning only.
Quote: rainmanOFF with their Heads!
Sounds violent!
How do people not know this is just a light-hearted/humourous phrase people use to show disapproval or sarcasm?Quote: Marcusclark66Sounds violent!
