USPaperGames Credentials

Quote: USpapergames

I just want to say that what you are doing is BY FAR the smartest thing I have ever seen ANY aspiring game designer do. What's scary is that your strategy was very similar to what mine was, with just one difference. But your actually doing one thing better than me, you discovered this website far sooner than I did in my career & I didn't even know this site was full of people in the casino industry till recently. So you are actually ahead of me in some things but I'm not sure if your skills are at the level mine were at your age so can't make any judgements. Keep doing what your doing, your on the right path!!!

Why is it that all the big names in this industry don't want to share advice and yet everyone wants to comment??? Who the F are you? I don't recall your name ever getting mentioned as one of the top game designers so why come off like your ahead of me in game design or that I should listen to your advice at all? I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing regardless of your pep talk. As far as advice is concerned Eliot is my man.

Quote: HokusPokus

Why is it that all the big names in this industry don't want to share advice and yet everyone wants to comment??? Who the F are you? I don't recall your name ever getting mentioned as one of the top game designers so why come off like your ahead of me in game design or that I should listen to your advice at all? I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing regardless of your pep talk. As far as advice is concerned Eliot is my man.

Wow, personal insult and you get a thank you for it, I guess I am just hated on this site :/ Don't worry, I don't complain about personal attacks to get you suspended so go ahead and blame me for all your life's problems. I'm the guy that bullied you, I'm the teacher that made fun of you, and I'm the guy that killed your uncle Ben. I'll take all the blame for everything just get it out. Also I voted for you to go for the game design career lol.

Quote: teliot

With the exception of blackjack insurance, all of my collusion analysis was done by simulation as well. There are simply too many possible ways for hands to be distributed to multiple players.

I was sure I had written an article about three card poker collusion, but somehow I didn't sell it to 888. This is the best I can do in my archival writing as far as describing this method of advantage play.

https://www.888casino.com/blog/apheat/collusion-101

And just for the thrill, here is the most vulnerable game I have analyzed, with an edge over 100% possible using collusion:

https://www.888casino.com/blog/novelty-games/double-draw-poker-collusion

What's really funny is that I am completely opposed to game simulation analysis. Not only do I not trust any game simulation data in the slightest. I am a firm believer that when it comes to complex variable factors, running a computer simulation is bound to have error in the programing and the ONLY way to truly analyze these games scenarios is by actually doing the math since that can be accounted for but no programmer can account for every line of code. I have found more errors in computer simulations than I have discovered errors in my math from computer simulations.

Quote: USpapergames

What's really funny is that I am completely opposed to game simulation analysis. Not only do I not trust any game simulation data in the slightest. I am a firm believer that when it comes to complex variable factors, running a computer simulation is bound to have error in the programing and the ONLY way to truly analyze these games scenarios is by actually doing the math since that can be accounted for but no programmer can account for every line of code. I have found more errors in computer simulations than I have discovered errors in my math from computer simulations.

Good for you. I am yet to see a single bit of programming or analysis from you, least of all a close form solution to a collusion strategy at a complicated poker style game. I think it's time to put up some analysis of your own. Otherwise, well you know, you are who you are. Let's start with a closed form solution to five handed double draw poker collusion. I posted my results in the article above, prove me wrong.

As far as errors, you apparently have made some, both in your simulations and in your closed form solutions, and that's why you have your doubts. That alone would be reason enough for no one to ever hire you.

I have never had a client come to me with proof or even evidence that my work is wrong. Not once.

Quote: USpapergames

I not trust any game simulation data in the slightest.

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I have discovered errors in my math from computer simulations.

How is that possible if you don't trust the simulation in the slightest?

Quote: teliot

Good for you. I am yet to see a single bit of programming or analysis from you, least of all a close form solution to a collusion strategy at a complicated poker style game. I think it's time to put up some analysis of your own. Otherwise, well you know, you are who you are. Let's start with a closed form solution to five handed double draw poker collusion. I posted my results in the article above, prove me wrong.

As far as errors, you apparently have made some, both in your simulations and in your closed form solutions, and that's why you have your doubts. That alone would be reason enough for no one to ever hire you.

I have never had a client come to me with proof or even evidence that my work is wrong. Not once.

Wow, why are you attacking me? Seriously if you want to go to war with me I will win. I have posted several different analysis on WoV for review but I recently started charging for math analysis. I really don't like how your basically claiming I need to prove you wrong to prove my skills, this seems rather pathetic to me especially when its you would should be the one proving that you have the math skills to comprehend a data analysis from me. Also, what if I did all that work just to discover your analysis was correct? I waste a ton of time and don't prove my skills to you lol, Your challenge is a joke, super unprofessional calling my math skills out like that. I hope some day you will ask for forgiveness and realize how foolish it was making fun of the best mathematician on WoV.

As for as your assumptions about my errors lol, I'm not a programmer so there defiantly were no errors in my simulations because I have never written a simulation program before. But I have discovered COUNTLESS errors in other people's simulation programs. It's usually people like you who are so sure of the numbers because their computer gave them those numbers that they end up believing their computer over my math proving them wrong lol. Have you ever had your computer programs compared to other peoples data from their simulations?

Quote: CrystalMath

How is that possible if you don't trust the simulation in the slightest?

I don't trust simulation data because the simulation might not fully express the game correctly. In order for a simulation to correctly produce the right data it needs to operate exactly like how the game engine(s) operate with all the necessary functions operating correctly. When I find errors in peoples simulations, the errors are of all kinds and very difficult for the programmer to realize there was any errors. The error could be a simple typo to a function that was supposed to operate a certain way but for what ever reason was operating slightly different and the list of stuff that can go wrong is crazy high, so I don't trust and simulation data!

Quote: USpapergames

Wow, why are you attacking me? Seriously if you want to go to war with me I will win. I have posted several different analysis on WoV for review but I recently started charging for math analysis. I really don't like how your basically claiming I need to prove you wrong to prove my skills, this seems rather pathetic to me especially when its you would should be the one proving that you have the math skills to comprehend a data analysis from me. Also, what if I did all that work just to discover your analysis was correct? I waste a ton of time and don't prove my skills to you lol, Your challenge is a joke, super unprofessional calling my math skills out like that. I hope some day you will ask for forgiveness and realize how foolish it was making fun of the best mathematician on WoV.

As for as your assumptions about my errors lol, I'm not a programmer so there defiantly were no errors in my simulations because I have never written a simulation program before. But I have discovered COUNTLESS errors in other people's simulation programs. It's usually people like you who are so sure of the numbers because their computer gave them those numbers that they end up believing their computer over my math proving them wrong lol. Have you ever had your computer programs compared to other peoples data from their simulations?

I should take this opportunity to inform you that Teliot literally has a doctorate and was previously a professor of both mathematics and computer sciences. I'm going to go ahead and say that he could most likely (if not definitely) comprehend any data analysis that you could provide.

Another thing that I'll add is that you proving Teliot's analysis correct, but doing it from scratch and in a different way, would indeed prove your skills to him.

Point being, Teliot's bona fides are pretty in order when it comes to this.

Anyway, let's all try to take the temperature down a little. I don't want to see Wizard suspend anyone and I'm actually starting to kind of like USPaperGames.

Quote: Mission146

I should take this opportunity to inform you that Teliot literally has a doctorate and was previously a professor of both mathematics and computer sciences. I'm going to go ahead and say that he could most likely (if not definitely) comprehend any data analysis that you could provide.

Another thing that I'll add is that you proving Teliot's analysis correct, but doing it from scratch and in a different way, would indeed prove your skills to him.

Point being, Teliot's bona fides are pretty in order when it comes to this.

Ok, this is good information to know. So all I can say is that I have a new theorem that bridges the gaps between combinatorics & statistics and I am the only person in the world that can solve many of this problems using pure mathematics. I had no clue Eliot had a PhD. in mathematics but I did a lecture at UC Davis challenging their math department to solve the hand rankings probabilities for the royal deck using pure math and they all conceded including all the PhD's that made up their entire math department. My emailed 2020's Able prize winner to nominate my new theorem for an Able prize and he is currently awaiting my theorems publication which I still have made no progress on. Talk to thatDonguy, I shared with him the basics of my theorem, he knows I'm the real deal.

Some things are not viable to calculate with a closed form solution. Most of us realize that.

I use a mix of math and simulations, depending on the project. Other things, like blackjack, require programming to calculate a solution. It's not a simulation, but it's not a pen and paper solution either.

To me, it just seems like you are a hater of the methods that you don't know how to use.

Eliot is one of the greats and he has proven himself over and over. You have only proven yourself to be able to berate people.

Quote: CrystalMath

Some things are not viable to calculate with a closed form solution. Most of us realize that.

I use a mix of math and simulations, depending on the project. Other things, like blackjack, require programming to calculate a solution. It's not a simulation, but it's not a pen and paper solution either.

To me, it just seems like you are a hater of the methods that you don't know how to use.

Eliot is one of the greats and he has proven himself over and over. You have only proven yourself to be able to berate people.

No, that's just not right. I love algorithmic programing which is the best of both worlds (math and programing). Simulations rarely ever actually copy the operations of a system. We use AI to try and replicate difficult systems right now and almost none of these programs are 100% accurate. I'm a huge believer that AI can write software far better than any human and that human programming skills are going to become worthless in the near future. We are going to see an age of AI programming were you can just tell the computer what program to make and it will make it for you, like GTP3 ;)

Quote: USpapergames

I did a lecture at UC Davis challenging their math department to solve the hand rankings probabilities for the royal deck using pure math and they all conceded including all the PhD's that made up their entire math department.

Could it be that none of them cared? I'd be on that apathy train too.

Quote: CrystalMath

Could it be that none of them cared? I'd be on that apathy train too.

Trust me they cared because they desperately wanted to know how a homeless person like me figured out all the answers using nothing but Google sheets on my cell phone.

Maybe it's fate I'm to meet Dr. Eliot. Maybe he can help me publish my research?

Quote: USpapergames

No, that's just not right. I love algorithmic programing which is the best of both worlds (math and programing). Simulations rarely ever actually copy the operations of a system. We use AI to try and replicate difficult systems right now and almost none of these programs are 100% accurate. I'm a huge believer that AI can write software far better than any human and that human programming skills are going to become worthless in the near future. We are going to see an age of AI programming were you can just tell the computer what program to make and it will make it for you, like GTP3 ;)

Honest Question: Why can't the best AI bots carry on a meaningful conversation? If they can't even learn how to converse properly, how might they learn how to program just by being given a thing to program?

Next Question: Wouldn't the AI have to have a point of reference? I guess what I'm asking is wouldn't you have to program into the AI a definition of a thing in order to then ask it to program that thing? How would it program something it knows nothing about?

I know AI can do some pretty amazing things. My understanding is that LC0 (also called Leela Zero) beat Stockfish in the Top Engine Chess Championship in both 2019 and the first quarter of 2020...with LC0 being an open source neural network. As I understand it, LC0 started knowing nothing about the game except the basic rules and conditions for winning. I guess Stockfish has beaten LC0 the three most recent tournaments, though.

Quote: Mission146

Honest Question: Why can't the best AI bots carry on a meaningful conversation? If they can't even learn how to converse properly, how might they learn how to program just by being given a thing to program?

Next Question: Wouldn't the AI have to have a point of reference? I guess what I'm asking is wouldn't you have to program into the AI a definition of a thing in order to then ask it to program that thing? How would it program something it knows nothing about?

I know AI can do some pretty amazing things. My understanding is that LC0 (also called Leela Zero) beat Stockfish in the Top Engine Chess Championship in both 2019 and the first quarter of 2020...with LC0 being an open source neural network. As I understand it, LC0 started knowing nothing about the game except the basic rules and conditions for winning. I guess Stockfish has beaten LC0 the three most recent tournaments, though.

So I will happily answer all you questions but 1st could you just do some research on GTP3? I think you will learn a lot, AGI is earlier already here in its infancy state or GTP4 might be that breakthrough. But honestly my best is GPT3 is the 1st AGI program and it has already been proven to do incredible things, like programing any software from just simple a few sentences of description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbB07n_uQ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnLwUfwgyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9AwxfjxvE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8psgEDhT1MM

Quote: USpapergames

Trust me they cared because they desperately wanted to know how a homeless person like me figured out all the answers using nothing but Google sheets on my cell phone.

Wanting to know how YOU did it is not the same thing as wanting to do it themselves. They have their own projects, classes to teach, etc. What would make them want to take on extra work, and why would that extra work be your unpaid analysis?

Quote: rdw4potus

Wanting to know how YOU did it is not the same thing as wanting to do it themselves. They have their own projects, classes to teach, etc. What would make them want to take on extra work, and why would that extra work be your unpaid analysis?

Your correct, but my method is the only way they would ever have solved the answers by hand so its almost the same thing but ill give it to you since your so smart & its impossible for me to argue against logic.

I love how your average person thinks that when AI takes over all the labor jobs are going to disappear as if AI will have the same effects like what outsourcing and offshoring has done to local labor lol. Mock my words, the 1st jobs to go when AI takes over will be programmers. I think programming might even become an abandoned language in the future since anyone will be able to program anything using AI by just giving it commands.

All those years you guys spent learning how to program will become obsolete very soon. All the knowledge and skills that I have acquired will still be highly sought after.

Quote: USpapergames

So I will happily answer all you questions but 1st could you just do some research on GTP3? I think you will learn a lot, AGI is earlier already here in its infancy state or GTP4 might be that breakthrough. But honestly my best is GPT3 is the 1st AGI program and it has already been proven to do incredible things, like programing any software from just simple a few sentences of description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbB07n_uQ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnLwUfwgyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9AwxfjxvE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8psgEDhT1MM

I'll be happy to, would you have any written articles you might recommend on the subject as opposed to videos? If not, just let me know and I'll try to find some on my own.

Quote: USpapergames

I love how your average person thinks that when AI takes over all the labor jobs are going to disappear as if AI will have the same effects like what outsourcing and offshoring has done to local labor lol. Mock my words, the 1st jobs to go when AI takes over will be programmers. I think programming might even become an abandoned language in the future since anyone will be able to program anything using AI by just giving it commands.

All those years you guys spent learning how to program will become obsolete very soon. All the knowledge and skills that I have acquired will still be highly sought after.

You know the saying it’s not about what you know it’s about who you know?

No one gives a flying f about what you know. Want to know how I know this? You are literally trying the same stuff you most likely tried with the people at IGT here in this forum. Your trying to tell us you are correct - when in fact being correct is only about half the struggle.

You seem to be so awkward and socially inept that you can learn and say you can do this but you can’t. You can’t get along with a single person here.

You need people to move along in life yet your too tight assed about who’s correct and who isn’t. You can’t always be as correct as you think you are.

The world was not necessarily built on being correct we got here through the Stone Age and dark ages. People still survived and lived without knowing the stuff you know because it really only is a matter to you.

Sorry dude I tried not to speak up but you suck the fun out of gaming inventions for me so I stay the hell out of your way because there is literally no convincing you even if the other person is actually correct.

Quote: Mission146

I'll be happy to, would you have any written articles you might recommend on the subject as opposed to videos? If not, just let me know and I'll try to find some on my own.

So your the technical writer type? I like you more every day. So there aren't any scientific articles on GTP-3 that I am aware of but I have some that are still worth looking at.

Here are some basic overviews:

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21355768/gpt-3-ai-openai-turing-test-language

https://towardsdatascience.com/gpt-3-the-new-mighty-language-model-from-openai-a74ff35346fc

Here is a comparative analysis:

https://www.kdnuggets.com/2021/02/gpt2-gpt3-openai-showdown.html

& here are the 2 articles I think you will like if your that technical reader, but sadly this is as much data on GTP-3 that I can find I have been obsessed with GTP for 6 months now :/ We need to just give it more time for the scientific community to provide the data we both want.

https://www.datacamp.com/community/blog/gpt3

https://www.coderus.com/a-guide-to-gpt-3-by-openai-and-the-future-of-ai-technology/

Quote: heatmap

You know the saying it’s not about what you know it’s about who you know?

No one gives a flying f about what you know. Want to know how I know this? You are literally trying the same stuff you most likely tried with the people at IGT here in this forum. Your trying to tell us you are correct - when in fact being correct is only about half the struggle.

You seem to be so awkward and socially inept that you can learn and say you can do this but you can’t. You can’t get along with a single person here.

You need people to move along in life yet your too tight assed about who’s correct and who isn’t. You can’t always be as correct as you think you are.

The world was not necessarily built on being correct we got here through the Stone Age and dark ages. People still survived and lived without knowing the stuff you know because it really only is a matter to you.

Sorry dude I tried not to speak up but you suck the fun out of gaming inventions for me so I stay the hell out of your way because there is literally no convincing you even if the other person is actually correct.

Wow, ok I need time to address this. I'll be back soon. I appreciate your transparency and I want to address what you said and its not as cut and dry and you make it out to be, I'd definitely say your incorrect but your not completely wrong either. Just give me some time, I need to take a walk.

Quote: heatmap

You know the saying it’s not about what you know it’s about who you know?

No one gives a flying f about what you know. Want to know how I know this? You are literally trying the same stuff you most likely tried with the people at IGT here in this forum. Your trying to tell us you are correct - when in fact being correct is only about half the struggle.

You seem to be so awkward and socially inept that you can learn and say you can do this but you can’t. You can’t get along with a single person here.

You need people to move along in life yet your too tight assed about who’s correct and who isn’t. You can’t always be as correct as you think you are.

The world was not necessarily built on being correct we got here through the Stone Age and dark ages. People still survived and lived without knowing the stuff you know because it really only is a matter to you.

Sorry dude I tried not to speak up but you suck the fun out of gaming inventions for me so I stay the hell out of your way because there is literally no convincing you even if the other person is actually correct.

Wow, ok I need time to address this. I'll be back soon. I appreciate your transparency and I want to address what you said and its not as cut and dry and you make it out to be, I'd definitely say your incorrect but your not completely wrong either. Just give me some time, I need to take a walk.

Quote: USpapergames

Wow, ok I need time to address this. I'll be back soon. I appreciate your transparency and I want to address what you said and its not as cut and dry and you make it out to be, I'd definitely say your incorrect but your not completely wrong either. Just give me some time, I need to take a walk.

dude - be yourself - if thats who you are - dont try to change yourself for other people

but you have to work with others because peoples brains work off of dopamine mostly - they want pleasant things

you want control over your world but that requires you to be a bit - lenient when it comes to peoples ability to think on your level. as a matter of fact - it allows you to join in a relationship that actually is dependent on mutually beneficial favors that you do for each other. be it give someone a thousand dollar ebook, or crunch some numbers for your game.

just be yourself - your not being a sociopath if you are being nice - people get angry because PEOPLE SUCK and cant be controlled

you have to roll with the punches

laugh at the less intelligent in your mind and move on

edit

i really didnt reply to you to make you change who you are i like your determination and PRIDE

There is so much to say that I don't even know where to begin. I was raised to "keep it real" or else id get the shit kicked out of me. The time and place where I was raised from teaches that its actually better to be upfront with someone you don't like so that they can work it out with words or fist than to play passive aggressive games. I'm not sure if that helps you understand but its not intended to be an excuse, I'm just trying to try you why I act the way I do. I can't easily change who I am just as you cant change yourself to easily be like me and commit everything to your passion. If you want me to change my personality then change all the constant attacks which put into question my skills. The fact is I have already changed ALOT from who I was growing up to who I am now. Things are getting better and my personality is always adapting, trust me there have been so big changes in me over the years. But I know enough about the subject of phycology to know that excepting positive results from negative reinforcement is just stupid.

Let's address your statement that being correct is only half the struggle. I want to make 1 thing very clear, I didn't sacrifice all these years studying everything related to game design just to have to join a fraternity as a pledge new member. Kiss donkey is not something I want to do, especially if I am the gate keeper to the knowledge. I spent years hidden way taking everyone's insults telling me I would never get any of my games into distribution (and I'm not talking about casino distribution) but I did it right by biting my tongue until I was confident I knew more about the subject then many of the books I was reading. Now that I know everything I think I have earned my place as being about to talk about anything related to games. So I feel like being correct is all that matters but let's dive deeper into your statement. Maybe your statement should be "its not what you know but who you get along with". I'm willing to bet I know twice as many famous nerds than you do on a personal basis. If you think I don't have friends you are a fool, its very difficult for someone to become my friend since I won't dumb down anything for nobody. But for example I know Mike Caro the Mad Genius of Poker personally. I have a 2 hour skype conversation with him just last year. I don't get much opportunity to speak to him but he's a hermit and hardly anyone gets the opportunity to talk to him, he turns down interviews all the time! I also know Jamie Hyneman (another reclus that hardly anyone gets a chance to talk to) and have his personal cell phone number. I have worked with Hyneman on designing an electric skateboard when I worked for a company called Excalibur motors back in 2012! So to say that I can't work with other people on a productive biases is just completely wrong. The difference is I expect to be treated with respect if I know all the answers because that's exactly how I have been the majority of my life and I'm tired of showing respect to people that aren't on my level if they aren't going to respect me.

The sad truth is we really don't know how any us would get along over time if we were all making an effort to build a relationship as comrades, that's why I am changing and decided to put some effort into connecting with the members of WoV because I honestly wasn't doing that before and did not care at all if I made any friends on the site. But I've come to realize that it takes effort to have friend that aren't old school nerds, maybe not a whole lot of effort but still effort. So I'm trying my best this time and I think that's all I can do. a quote from 1 of my favorite movies of all time is "In this world Ellwood, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant, well for years I was smart... I recommend pleasant, and you may quote me." Elwood P. Dowd. But there is more to this and we need to dive deeper. I need more time.

Quote: USpapergames

There is so much to say that I don't even know where to begin. I was raised to "keep it real" or else id get the shit kicked out of me. The time and place where I was raised from teaches that its actually better to be upfront with someone you don't like so that they can work it out with words or fist than to play passive aggressive games. I'm not sure if that helps you understand but its not intended to be an excuse, I'm just trying to try you why I act the way I do. I can't easily change who I am just as you cant change yourself to easily be like me and commit everything to your passion. If you want me to change my personality then change all the constant attacks which put into question my skills. The fact is I have already changed ALOT from who I was growing up to who I am now. Things are getting better and my personality is always adapting, trust me there have been so big changes in me over the years. But I know enough about the subject of phycology to know that excepting positive results from negative reinforcement is just stupid.

Let's address your statement that being correct is only half the struggle. I want to make 1 thing very clear, I didn't sacrifice all these years studying everything related to game design just to have to join a fraternity as a pledge new member. Kiss donkey is not something I want to do, especially if I am the gate keeper to the knowledge. I spent years hidden way taking everyone's insults telling me I would never get any of my games into distribution (and I'm not talking about casino distribution) but I did it right by biting my tongue until I was confident I knew more about the subject then many of the books I was reading. Now that I know everything I think I have earned my place as being about to talk about anything related to games. So I feel like being correct is all that matters but let's dive deeper into your statement. Maybe your statement should be "its not what you know but who you get along with". I'm willing to bet I know twice as many famous nerds than you do on a personal basis. If you think I don't have friends you are a fool, its very difficult for someone to become my friend since I won't dumb down anything for nobody. But for example I know Mike Caro the Mad Genius of Poker personally. I have a 2 hour skype conversation with him just least year. I don't get much opportunity to speak to him but he's a hermit and hardly anyone gets the opportunity to talk to him, he turns down interviews all the time! I also know Jamie Hyneman (another reclus that hardly anyone gets a chance to talk to) and have his personal cell phone number. I have worked with Hyneman on designing an electric skateboard when I worked for a company called Excalibur motors back in 2012! So to say that I can't work with other people on a productive biases is just completely wrong. The difference is I expect to be treated with respect if I know all the answers because that's exactly how I have been the majority of my life and I'm tired of showing respect to people that aren't on my level if they aren't going to respect me.

The sad truth is we really don't know how any us would get along over time if we were all making an effort to build a relationship as comrades, that's why I am changing and decided to put some effort into connecting with the members of WoV because I honestly wasn't doing that before and did not care at all if I made any friends on the site. But I've come to realize that it takes effort to have friend that aren't old school nerds, maybe not a whole lot of effort but still effort. So I'm trying my best this time and I think that's all I can do. a quote from 1 of my favorite movies of all time is "In this world Ellwood, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant, well for years I was smart... I recommend pleasant, and you may quote me." Elwood P. Dowd. But there is more to this and we need to dive deeper. I need more time.

I’ll call this some ‘real world’ advice. I doubt you will take it.

I have interviewed and hired, and of course not hired, dozens of anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists over a 30 year career. They were all qualified to one degree or another. You have to, or will eventually, figure it out that being the ‘best ever’ or ‘smartest ever’ is generally not what an employer is looking for. They want someone they can easily work with. Do you think that is you? All I can tell you is we have WORLD EXPERTS here who you can’t help but squabble with. When you figure out that you LOSE whether you are right or wrong, maybe then you will get a job.

Quote: SOOPOO

I’ll call this some ‘real world’ advice. I doubt you will take it.

I have interviewed and hired, and of course not hired, dozens of anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists over a 30 year career. They were all qualified to one degree or another. You have to, or will eventually, figure it out that being the ‘best ever’ or ‘smartest ever’ is generally not what an employer is looking for. They want someone they can easily work with. Do you think that is you? All I can tell you is we have WORLD EXPERTS here who you can’t help but squabble with. When you figure out that you LOSE whether you are right or wrong, maybe then you will get a job.

As a competitive gamer/gambler there are only 2 types of competitive games, fair and not fair games. Now nature doesn't make everyone fair so as a game designer we design games which all the players either share the same actions or equivalent actions. Capitalism is suppose to be a fair game but often it isn't because large companies will buy out politicians to sway laws in their favor or break the law in extreme excess ( like Enron) because the cost of losing a court ruling is less than the cost saving of breaking the law. Regardless I look at the casino industry as a fair game. I don't want to be a part of an industry where Dr. Eliot can talk smack about my math skills and I have to just take it even though my math skills may surpass his in certain branches of mathematics. There its completely fair and I have the right to retaliate and talk smack about his skills or its a double standard. In the end, I don't want success from my games because people liked me. I don't even want a job but if I did I wouldn't want them to hire me because of the tax breaks they would receive because I'm registered as homeless and on food stamps and medical. Not because they could improve their PR for hiring a homeless, mix-raced native america. Not because I had a stellar personality lol. I would only want them to hire me because your not going to find the combination of my skills in anyone else & that's hard to do with an employer wanting to hiring you just for that, but as an intendant contractor that should be no problem. But more importantly, it shouldn't matter who I am as long as I don't have a terrible image like Hitler to go with what I'm selling because all that should matter is if my games are good. The customer never even gets to know the game designers, which is why I say game design is one of the least unbiased entertainment medias available, because if your a music you better also look good and have an adorable personality to sell music 🤢

So basically what I'm getting at is I don't want to be in this industry if its not fair. If I cant sell my games to casinos just purely on the merit that all my games that I publish are superior to its competition then I will just leave the industry forever. In fact I just wish that someone would license Royal Slots and give it a field test. I would put a do or die on the test and if the field test was unsuccessful then I would promise to quit the industry for good, that's how confident I am that Royal Slots will succeed, it just might need a makeover.

So I what to throw out there that both heatmap and myself have sacrificed a DECADE of our lives to the pursuit of game design science. That's why we are ahead of the curve, because when you get a job working at a company where you are forced to produce results and have no time to dedicate to learning the science behind games, you can never compete with us. Having a job just gets in the way of the pursuit, you cant spend 12 hours a day learning everything about this subject and work your game design job. Which is why the only real skills most game designers know is computer programing and statistics lol. I remember spending YEARS at UOP library reading all the scientific articles related to games that aren't even published online. Everything, including anything on phycological conditioning to motivational awareness and I even found stats on how much leisure time people have and what they dedicate that time to. Haven't you guys noticed by now that I know all this stuff that can't just easily be google searched???

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There is so much to say that I don't even know where to begin. I was raised to "keep it real" or else id get the shit kicked out of me. The time and place where I was raised from teaches that its actually better to be upfront with someone you don't like so that they can work it out with words or fist than to play passive aggressive games. I'm not sure if that helps you understand but its not intended to be an excuse, I'm just trying to try you why I act the way I do. I can't easily change who I am just as you cant change yourself to easily be like me and commit everything to your passion. If you want me to change my personality then change all the constant attacks which put into question my skills. The fact is I have already changed ALOT from who I was growing up to who I am now. Things are getting better and my personality is always adapting, trust me there have been so big changes in me over the years. But I know enough about the subject of phycology to know that excepting positive results from negative reinforcement is just stupid.

Let's address your statement that being correct is only half the struggle. I want to make 1 thing very clear, I didn't sacrifice all these years studying everything related to game design just to have to join a fraternity as a pledge new member. Kiss donkey is not something I want to do, especially if I am the gate keeper to the knowledge. I spent years hidden way taking everyone's insults telling me I would never get any of my games into distribution (and I'm not talking about casino distribution) but I did it right by biting my tongue until I was confident I knew more about the subject then many of the books I was reading. Now that I know everything I think I have earned my place as being about to talk about anything related to games. So I feel like being correct is all that matters but let's dive deeper into your statement. Maybe your statement should be "its not what you know but who you get along with". I'm willing to bet I know twice as many famous nerds than you do on a personal basis. If you think I don't have friends you are a fool, its very difficult for someone to become my friend since I won't dumb down anything for nobody. But for example I know Mike Caro the Mad Genius of Poker personally. I have a 2 hour skype conversation with him just last year. I don't get much opportunity to speak to him but he's a hermit and hardly anyone gets the opportunity to talk to him, he turns down interviews all the time! I also know Jamie Hyneman (another reclus that hardly anyone gets a chance to talk to) and have his personal cell phone number. I have worked with Hyneman on designing an electric skateboard when I worked for a company called Excalibur motors back in 2012! So to say that I can't work with other people on a productive biases is just completely wrong. The difference is I expect to be treated with respect if I know all the answers because that's exactly how I have been the majority of my life and I'm tired of showing respect to people that aren't on my level if they aren't going to respect me.

The sad truth is we really don't know how any us would get along over time if we were all making an effort to build a relationship as comrades, that's why I am changing and decided to put some effort into connecting with the members of WoV because I honestly wasn't doing that before and did not care at all if I made any friends on the site. But I've come to realize that it takes effort to have friend that aren't old school nerds, maybe not a whole lot of effort but still effort. So I'm trying my best this time and I think that's all I can do. a quote from 1 of my favorite movies of all time is "In this world Ellwood, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant, well for years I was smart... I recommend pleasant, and you may quote me." Elwood P. Dowd. But there is more to this and we need to dive deeper. I need more time.

My two cents: however great you are in the things you are great at, you need others. On this very board you have said you want someone to co-write your a game design book. You have some awesome new math theory but you need someone to help you publish it. You seem to have a lot of great things in your head, but can’t alone translate them into great things in the world.

Heat map hit the nail on the head. Relationships develop through reciprocity. That’s human nature.

Quote: unJon

My two cents: however great you are in the things you are great at, you need others. On this very board you have said you want someone to co-write your a game design book. You have some awesome new math theory but you need someone to help you publish it. You seem to have a lot of great things in your head, but can’t alone translate them into great things in the world.

Heat map hit the nail on the head. Relationships develop through reciprocity. That’s human nature.

Yes, that's were you are absolutely correct but heatmap just got close to it. I shouldn't need anyone's help to sell or license my games, but I defiantly need to help if I am going to change the world for the better with my research :/ That's why I am putting in the effort to work any issue out with anyone WoV members.

Quote: USpapergames

So I what to throw out there that both heatmap and myself have sacrificed a DECADE of our lives to the pursuit of game design science. That's why we are ahead of the curve, because when you get a job working at a company where you are forced to produce results and have no time to dedicate to learning the science behind games, you can never compete with us. Having a job just gets in the way of the pursuit, you cant spend 12 hours a day learning everything about this subject and work your game design job. Which is why the only real skills most game designers know is computer programing and statistics lol. I remember spending YEARS at UOP library reading all the scientific articles related to games that aren't even published online. Everything, including anything on phycological conditioning to motivational awareness and I even found stats on how much leisure time people have and what they dedicate that time to. Haven't you guys noticed by now that I know all this stuff that can't just easily be google searched???

not going to lie i didnt sacrifice much... i had fun doing it and thats why i am so confident in what i do. i dont care if i fail but i would love to be financially successful from what i told you i am trying to do. i simply want to see that my product is useful to more than just what i developed for myself. ive been doing this in my spare time i normally work in the civil engineering industry at a surveyors office drafting cad and IT on the side so...

Quote: teliot

You certainly want to listen to anything Mike says or has written about game development, and there are several others here who have a lot of hands-on experience and give great advice. It may just take you a while to learn who's who. This site is amazing when it comes to the game development talent who have contributed over the years.

Yes this site is amazing! Apparently I'm still learning who is who after being on her for weeks now. You have been so helpful to me, can't forget that.

Quote: USpapergames

Wow, personal insult and you get a thank you for it, I guess I am just hated on this site :/ Don't worry, I don't complain about personal attacks to get you suspended so go ahead and blame me for all your life's problems. I'm the guy that bullied you, I'm the teacher that made fun of you, and I'm the guy that killed your uncle Ben. I'll take all the blame for everything just get it out. Also I voted for you to go for the game design career lol.

Yea I got a private message about that, sorry. Apparently your very helpful to listen to so I'm going to give you a shot. But I kind of feel like you have taken over my thread!!!

Quote: heatmap

not going to lie i didnt sacrifice much... i had fun doing it and thats why i am so confident in what i do. i dont care if i fail but i would love to be financially successful from what i told you i am trying to do. i simply want to see that my product is useful to more than just what i developed for myself. ive been doing this in my spare time i normally work in the civil engineering industry at a surveyors office drafting cad and IT on the side so...

Sometimes the adventure pays for the journey ;) I completely understand where you are coming from but I was always on a conquest.

Ah, sorry?

Quote: teliot

Good for you. I am yet to see a single bit of programming or analysis from you, least of all a close form solution to a collusion strategy at a complicated poker style game. I think it's time to put up some analysis of your own. Otherwise, well you know, you are who you are. Let's start with a closed form solution to five handed double draw poker collusion. I posted my results in the article above, prove me wrong.

As far as errors, you apparently have made some, both in your simulations and in your closed form solutions, and that's why you have your doubts. That alone would be reason enough for no one to ever hire you.

I have never had a client come to me with proof or even evidence that my work is wrong. Not once.

Yea, you definitely seem to know what you're talking about. I don't think a game designer would last long if a client could prove they made a mistake.

Quote: HokusPokus

Yea, you definitely seem to know what you're talking about. I don't think a game designer would last long if a client could prove they made a mistake.

I also have never had a client prove my analysis wrong either.

Quote: USpapergames

Wow, why are you attacking me? Seriously if you want to go to war with me I will win. I have posted several different analysis on WoV for review but I recently started charging for math analysis. I really don't like how your basically claiming I need to prove you wrong to prove my skills, this seems rather pathetic to me especially when its you would should be the one proving that you have the math skills to comprehend a data analysis from me. Also, what if I did all that work just to discover your analysis was correct? I waste a ton of time and don't prove my skills to you lol, Your challenge is a joke, super unprofessional calling my math skills out like that. I hope some day you will ask for forgiveness and realize how foolish it was making fun of the best mathematician on WoV.

As for as your assumptions about my errors lol, I'm not a programmer so there defiantly were no errors in my simulations because I have never written a simulation program before. But I have discovered COUNTLESS errors in other people's simulation programs. It's usually people like you who are so sure of the numbers because their computer gave them those numbers that they end up believing their computer over my math proving them wrong lol. Have you ever had your computer programs compared to other peoples data from their simulations?

Wow, USpapergames can do math that nobody else can? Seriously, I hate that I can't even locate my previous comments because USpapergames exploded up the thread.

Quote: USpapergames

Ok, this is good information to know. So all I can say is that I have a new theorem that bridges the gaps between combinatorics & statistics and I am the only person in the world that can solve many of this problems using pure mathematics. I had no clue Eliot had a PhD. in mathematics but I did a lecture at UC Davis challenging their math department to solve the hand rankings probabilities for the royal deck using pure math and they all conceded including all the PhD's that made up their entire math department. My emailed 2020's Able prize winner to nominate my new theorem for an Able prize and he is currently awaiting my theorems publication which I still have made no progress on. Talk to thatDonguy, I shared with him the basics of my theorem, he knows I'm the real deal.

I had to look up the definition of combinatorics just to follow what this guy is saying. Is this how he talks all the time?

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Quote: Mission146

Honest Question: Why can't the best AI bots carry on a meaningful conversation? If they can't even learn how to converse properly, how might they learn how to program just by being given a thing to program?

Next Question: Wouldn't the AI have to have a point of reference? I guess what I'm asking is wouldn't you have to program into the AI a definition of a thing in order to then ask it to program that thing? How would it program something it knows nothing about?

I know AI can do some pretty amazing things. My understanding is that LC0 (also called Leela Zero) beat Stockfish in the Top Engine Chess Championship in both 2019 and the first quarter of 2020...with LC0 being an open source neural network. As I understand it, LC0 started knowing nothing about the game except the basic rules and conditions for winning. I guess Stockfish has beaten LC0 the three most recent tournaments, though.

So I will happily answer all you questions but 1st could you just do some research on GTP3? I think you will learn a lot, AGI is earlier already here in its infancy state or GTP4 might be that breakthrough. But honestly my best is GPT3 is the 1st AGI program and it has already been proven to do incredible things, like programing any software from just simple a few sentences of description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbB07n_uQ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnLwUfwgyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9AwxfjxvE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8psgEDhT1MM

Omg my head hurts, can't follow this conversation anymore! I've just been ready try to catch up and finally got there. The conversation goes from game design career to game analysis to AI??? And now USpapergames says he has superior games, I want to see these games!!!!

Quote: HokusPokus

Wow, USpapergames can do math that nobody else can? Seriously, I hate that I can't even locate my previous comments because USpapergames exploded up the thread.

I think I'm just going to stay out of this conversation if that's what Hokus wants.

Quote: HokusPokus

Quote: USpapergames

Quote: Mission146

Honest Question: Why can't the best AI bots carry on a meaningful conversation? If they can't even learn how to converse properly, how might they learn how to program just by being given a thing to program?

Next Question: Wouldn't the AI have to have a point of reference? I guess what I'm asking is wouldn't you have to program into the AI a definition of a thing in order to then ask it to program that thing? How would it program something it knows nothing about?

I know AI can do some pretty amazing things. My understanding is that LC0 (also called Leela Zero) beat Stockfish in the Top Engine Chess Championship in both 2019 and the first quarter of 2020...with LC0 being an open source neural network. As I understand it, LC0 started knowing nothing about the game except the basic rules and conditions for winning. I guess Stockfish has beaten LC0 the three most recent tournaments, though.

So I will happily answer all you questions but 1st could you just do some research on GTP3? I think you will learn a lot, AGI is earlier already here in its infancy state or GTP4 might be that breakthrough. But honestly my best is GPT3 is the 1st AGI program and it has already been proven to do incredible things, like programing any software from just simple a few sentences of description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbB07n_uQ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnLwUfwgyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9AwxfjxvE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8psgEDhT1MM

Omg my head hurts, can't follow this conversation anymore! I've just been ready try to catch up and finally got there. The conversation goes from game design career to game analysis to AI??? And now USpapergames says he has superior games, I want to see these games!!!!

Btw I just want to say thank you for apologizing, & so fast also. Really shows your character if you can admit when your wrong. If you look though my previous comments on other threads you can find a few of my games ;)

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... But I kind of feel like you have taken over my thread!!!

”Your” thread???

Who do you think you are?

Conversations online, as in real life, do not belong to anyone, can be joined by anyone, and can go in any direction.

And if you’re lucky, and you’re open minded enough to see it, can teach you a thing or two.

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”Your” thread???

Who do you think you are?

Conversations online, as in real life, do not belong to anyone, can be joined by anyone, and can go in any direction.

And if you’re lucky, and you’re open minded enough to see it, can teach you a thing or two.

HP started the thread, and the digressions that USPG has caused are quite inappropriate. This is explicitly stated in the forum rules, as it is quite clear that USPG has hijacked this thread.

#7 No hijacking: Try to keep threads on topic. If you want to veer off on a tangent, please make a new thread for it.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/2-forum-rules/#post37215

You have been here long enough that I would have thought you knew this.

I didn’t think of it as hijacking, so much as expanding the conversation. And, admittedly, I didn’t read every post in detail.

But I was really turned off by HP’s expression of ownership of this thread.

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I didn’t think of it as hijacking, so much as expanding the conversation. And, admittedly, I didn’t read every post in detail.

But I was really turned off by HP’s expression of ownership of this thread.

Stepping into this with my own opinion having read most of this thread ....
From a purely personal perspective, it usually irritates me when any poster on such a forum claims ownership of a thread. I'm on record as previously rebuking at least two members for staking any such claim to ownership. Threads are introduced as topics for discussion and only moderators should try to forcibly constrain them, and even then, only rarely (moderation in moderation).
So to that extent I agree with DJTeddyBear, when he rebuked HokusPokus.
From me to HokusPokus, a very mild rebuke for that. And a further mild rebuke for asking USPG 'Who the F' he thought he was.
But with that said, from about page 10 of this thread, it's clear that USPaperGames has, to a serious extent, hijacked this towards being a statement of his own superior credentials. So, a minor rebuke to USPaperGames.
USPaperGames has said that he will now stay away from ( and stop contributing to) this thread and I'd like to hold him to that. If he wishes a thread more in keeping with promoting his own Resume or to expound his intellectual superiority, then I invite him to create his own thread for that purpose. Of course, he won't own that thread, either.

Thanks, and my apologies for interrupting.

Quote: USpapergames

I also have never had a client prove my analysis wrong either.

I suppose that one of the side-effects of having 0 clients is that claims like this are technically correct:-)

Quote: rdw4potus

I suppose that one of the side-effects of having 0 clients is that claims like this are technically correct:-)

Serious??? Low blow & what makes you say that??? I have been doing math work for clients before I even got my undergrad!!!! Seriously, I got paid 10k for taking a calculus class for someone. IF I WERE TO EVER BE CAUGHT MY COLLEGE CREDENTIALS WOULD BE REVOCKED BUT GOOD LUCK PROVING IT!!! But in all seriousness this is just a load of BULL! Just last year I got paid to analyze 2 table games and I got 4 clients who hired me to do nothing but data analysis & I think they got too good of a deal since I charge by the hour and I am extremely fair at rounding my work hours and because I'm so fast these guys got a crazy deal :/ I have ZERO clue what makes you think you know the ins and outs of my business???