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Quote: USpapergamesWhy does everyone want to make assumptions instead I just asking the creator? No slot machine to date can start and stop immediately because a slot machine needs to cycle through all 1000 rng number sequences before the player can start a new game or else the player could just hit the button repeatedly & the program would stop on the same number sequence everyone which would be the 1st number sequence that the rng generated! No traditional slot program can start and stop immediately accept mine & the original barrel drum machines lol.
Based on the above comment I would say that you don't know what you are talking about.
Quote: nighterfighterThe BBB doesn't make laws, and is not a governmental organization. That is akin to me saying "I would go eat a hamburger but that is against Subway's laws".
Regarding the rest of the thread: I was recently in 7 interviews, for a junior (level 1) and a staff (level 4) position, for engineering not game design, to be fair. We had 1 interviewee who was super knowledgeable, probably the best technical candidate. But they were so cocky, we all looked at each other afterwards and immediately said "no". We would all hate to work with them on a daily basis.
It's a balancing act of finding the right level of technical knowledge and interpersonal skills.
Your right, they don't have laws they have policies. But they are the organization to go to for corporate negligence. Yea I have a feeling they probably felt the same way about me, I tried to avoid it I really did. Thanks for your input but the second the mathematician put me on the spot claiming IGT already had a program that could stop its reels immediately. He literally interrupted me to say it and I felt I had to accept his challenge or I was going to admit defeat and look like I lied about my programs features. So I proved him wrong at the expense of making him look foolish which totally hurt my chances but I didn't know what to do and didn't expect someone to basically call me a liar at the interview.
What is ironic is that a game designer here actually thought what I was talking about had already been done before also lol. If I had this conversation prior to the interview maybe I would have realized that the mathematician wasn't challenging my claims but rather misunderstood them :/ Instead of putting him on the spot and asking how many gph IGT's slots could do I could have re-explained myself in another context & maybe resolved the dispute without making anyone look bad :(
Quote: USpapergames
If you were correct then slot machines should be able to complete a game in .3 seconds which isn't even close to the fastest slot machine time. My program can do .3 seconds & id be willing to bet my life on it! But let's not forget that there are several other advantages to my program!!!!!
Yeah, that's pretty close. I can spin Farmville or Buffalo diamond at 60-80 spins per minute & that's with some human error and button crappiness in there. It's not the rng that is limiting the speed.
Quote: DRichBased on the above comment I would say that you don't know what you are talking about.
Some slots have preset number sequences in order and some have patterns that change every time the rng is in effect.
Regardless of a slot machine can't be random if the 1st outcome of the rng sequence is selected every time because computers can't create random patterns. Therefore the only legal way that American slots can generate random numbers is if the player selects a rng sequence at random. If players could immediately select the 1st number sequence that enters the rng once the game is completed then it would be possible to obtain a player edge in slots. Does this make better sense now?
Quote: rdw4potusYeah, that's pretty close. I can spin Farmville or Buffalo diamond at 60-80 spins per minute & that's with some human error and button crappiness in there. It's not the rng that is limiting the speed.
I am willing to bet you (a small amount) that you can't get even 60 games a minute on any slot machine available today. But what's crazy is you should be able to get over 120 games per minute with Royal Slots!!!
Quote: USpapergamesYour right, they don't have laws they have policies. But they are the organization to go to for corporate negligence. Yea I have a feeling they probably felt the same way about me, I tried to avoid it I really did. Thanks for your input but the second the mathematician put me on the spot claiming IGT already had a program that could stop its reels immediately. He literally interrupted me to say it and I felt I had to accept his challenge or I was going to admit defeat and look like I lied about my programs features. So I proved him wrong at the expense of making him look foolish which totally hurt my chances but I didn't know what to do and didn't expect someone to basically call me a liar at the interview.
What is ironic is that a game designer here actually thought what I was talking about had already been done before also lol. If I had this conversation prior to the interview maybe I would have realized that the mathematician wasn't challenging my claims but rather misunderstood them :/ Instead of putting him on the spot and asking how many gph IGT's slots could do I could have re-explained myself in another context & maybe resolved the dispute without making anyone look bad :(
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the role of the BBB. I see them as no different or more authority than Yelp.
Regarding the interview...It sounds to me like you need to work on communication skills. This might mean taking a second to ponder on the question, and be sure you understand what is actually being asked. Maybe take a step back and clarify what is meant. For example, it's taken, what, 5 or 6 pages, for you to explain the difference between your game design that can stop instantly vs the current technology? (From what I understand yours doesn't have to skip to the end pre-set reel position and can truly stop when the player presses it? I'm not a game designer of familiar with slots, sorry if I got that wrong) You could probably sense that everyone (here on the forum and on the interview) wasn't quite following along. It's in situations like those where you might attempt to re-phrase what you're talking about.
p.s. See how many games you can get per hour (you might need to film yourself since they are so quick).
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-daoqMkefHRYQJiX-CmeFNZ2eKHZpJUL/view?usp=drivesdk
Quote: USpapergamesI am willing to bet you (a small amount) that you can't get even 60 games a minute on any slot machine available today. But what's crazy is you should be able to get over 120 games per minute with Royal Slots!!!
I will bet you any amount that you want that you can't get a game doing 120 spins a minute approved in Nevada.
Quote: USpapergamesSome slots have preset number sequences in order and some have patterns that change every time the rng is in effect.
Regardless of a slot machine can't be random if the 1st outcome of the rng sequence is selected every time because computers can't create random patterns. Therefore the only legal way that American slots can generate random numbers is if the player selects a rng sequence at random. If players could immediately select the 1st number sequence that enters the rng once the game is completed then it would be possible to obtain a player edge in slots. Does this make better sense now?
I would guess that I know a lot more about casino RNG's than you do. I have programmed over 100 slot machine games approved in the U.S.
Quote: DRichI will bet you any amount that you want that you can't get a game doing 120 spins a minute approved in Nevada.
Your on!!!! I'm dead serious!!! Prepared to get your pig bank broken ;)
Quote: USpapergamesYour on!!!! I'm dead serious!!! Prepared to get your pig bank broken ;)
Great, I suggest that you read the Nevada regulations and technical specifications before you put up your money.
Quote: DRichI would guess that I know a lot more about casino RNG's than you do. I have programmed over 100 slot machine games approved in the U.S.
There is a good chance that you do know more about the rng details than me. That doesn't change that I'm right about this & that the biggest problem with today's slot machines are that their rngs require incredible amounts of number generated sequences just to get 1 selected outcome.
Quote: USpapergamesSome slots have preset number sequences in order and some have patterns that change every time the rng is in effect.
Regardless of a slot machine can't be random if the 1st outcome of the rng sequence is selected every time because computers can't create random patterns. Therefore the only legal way that American slots can generate random numbers is if the player selects a rng sequence at random. If players could immediately select the 1st number sequence that enters the rng once the game is completed then it would be possible to obtain a player edge in slots. Does this make better sense now?
Well shoot. And just when I was starting to think there was a way to get a player advantage on some slots.
Quote: DRichGreat, I suggest that you read the Nevada regulations and technical specifications before you put up your money.
I designed the program before reading the regulations, are you implying that I missed something? Please tell me why Royal Slots wouldn't get approved by the Nevada gaming committee?
Quote: rdw4potusWell shoot. And just when I was starting to think there was a way to get a player advantage on some slots.
Keep dreaming. Only the UK machines are beatable. But it's not much of an advantage play when you add up all the work it takes :/
Quote: USpapergamesThere is a good chance that you do know more about the rng details than me. That doesn't change that I'm right about this & that the biggest problem with today's slot machines are that their rngs require incredible amounts of number generated sequences just to get 1 selected outcome.
Yes, they require a new random selection every 20ms I believe according to Nevada. Obviously most do many more than that.
Quote: USpapergamesKeep dreaming. Only the UK machines are beatable. But it's not much of an advantage play when you add up all the work it takes :/
I think it's easy and available in the USA. And I think I posted a list of beatable games earlier in this thread.
Quote: USpapergamesI designed the program before reading the regulations, are you implying that I missed something? Please tell me why Royal Slots wouldn't get approved by the Nevada gaming committee?
I have no idea what Royal Slots is but Nevada requires all outcomes to be visible and identifiable by the patrons. I would like to see a patron recognize and assimilate 2 outcomes per second.
Quote: DRichYes, they require a new random selection every 20ms I believe according to Nevada. Obviously, most do many more than that.
See you need to download the royal slot machine because I'm trying to tell you that it doesn't use any rng! It gets it's random outcomes completely differently so that Nevada regulation doesn't apply!!! Because my machine doesn't use rng it can have play games beyond 120 a minute!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-daoqMkefHRYQJiX-CmeFNZ2eKHZpJUL/view?usp=drivesdk
https://youtu.be/rIInq5bm-og
Quote: DRichI have no idea what Royal Slots is but Nevada requires all outcomes to be visible and identifiable by the patrons. I would like to see a patron recognize and assimilate 2 outcomes per second.
What happens when the player controls the pace of play? Is the manufacturer expected to limit the max speed?
Quote: DRichI have no idea what Royal Slots is but Nevada requires all outcomes to be visible and identifiable by the patrons. I would like to see a patron recognize and assimilate 2 outcomes per second.
Human reaction time is much faster! Nice try acting like there is a Nevada regulation on player recognizing wins when your average table gamer can't identify a 100% of the time lol.
Quote: USpapergamesSee you need to download the royal slot machine because I'm trying to tell you that it doesn't use any rng! It gets it's random outcomes completely differently so that Nevada regulation doesn't apply!!! Because my machine doesn't use rng it can have play games beyond 120 a minute!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-daoqMkefHRYQJiX-CmeFNZ2eKHZpJUL/view?usp=drivesdk
https://youtu.be/rIInq5bm-og
But of course you won't get a placement in Nevada like that. There's no avenue for unregulated equipment in a casino there.
Quote: rdw4potusI think it's easy and available in the USA. And I think I posted a list of beatable games earlier in this thread.
Really, player advantage slots in America? Do they have a rollover promotion they put into it because it needs to be paid? What makes the slots beatable?
Quote: rdw4potusWhat happens when the player controls the pace of play? Is the manufacturer expected to limit the max speed?
Yes, the game will not get approved if the player can play faster than they can view the outcome. Look at games like Keno that offer autoplay. Obviously they can play much faster than they do but Nevada Gaming will not approve them if that is the case.
Quote: USpapergamesReally, player advantage slots in America? Do they have a rollover promotion they put into it because it needs to be paid? What makes the slots beatable?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/32613-ocean-magic/
Quote: rdw4potusBut of course you won't get a placement in Nevada like that. There's no avenue for unregulated equipment in a casino there.
Who says it's unregulated? Yes, the machine will need to get accepted through NGC & the application fee is $3,500 but that doesn't mean it won't get accepted. I know a lady named Michele who works as one of NGC's judges & I had the privilege of explaining how the program operated and what regulations the program had to follow in order for the committee to accept its application. In the end, she couldn't think of anything that would prevent an acceptance for the NGC.
Quote: USpapergamesReally, player advantage slots in America? Do they have a rollover promotion they put into it because it needs to be paid? What makes the slots beatable?
There have been tons of beatable slot machines through history. Research many of the IGT vision games.
Quote: DRichYes, the game will not get approved if the player can play faster than they can view the outcome. Look at games like Keno that offer autoplay. Obviously they can play much faster than they do but Nevada Gaming will not approve them if that is the case.
That's a great example, thanks.
Quote: USpapergamesSee you need to download the royal slot machine because I'm trying to tell you that it doesn't use any rng! It gets it's random outcomes completely differently so that Nevada regulation doesn't apply!!! Because my machine doesn't use rng it can have play games beyond 120 a minute!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-daoqMkefHRYQJiX-CmeFNZ2eKHZpJUL/view?usp=drivesdk
https://youtu.be/rIInq5bm-og
I use DblRand2CmrRsr() and it produces 50 million double precision random numbers per second on a home computer. The algorithm passed an extensive suite of tests for randomness.
I do want to play your slot machine with no RNG, though.
Quote: DRichYes, the game will not get approved if the player can play faster than they can view the outcome. Look at games like Keno that offer autoplay. Obviously they can play much faster than they do but Nevada Gaming will not approve them if that is the case.
Thank you for teaching me something, doesn't happen often on here :/ Your the 1st person to ever bring this to my attention and I think you have earned some respect. To address your presumed issue with Royal Slots:
Nothing forces players to hit the spin button again. Players can look at the last game outcome as long as they like with nothing forcing them to move on to the next game. That being said I have had playtesters tell me that the games are going by so fast that they can't follow the outcomes & the best part of the feedback was that none of them cared! Seriously!!! But that being said I have had playtesters tell me the game is at the perfect speed and 1 of them who is a big slot play said he had been waiting for a game to play at my speeds for years! A lot of the younger players can follow the game outcomes at that speed, no joke!!! Plus I should know since you don't know of any slot that can play at those speeds anyways!
One thing I will say is I haven't had anyone tell me the game should be faster ;)
Quote: USpapergamesReally, player advantage slots in America? Do they have a rollover promotion they put into it because it needs to be paid? What makes the slots beatable?
Persistent state.
Quote: MentalI use DblRand2CmrRsr() and it produces 50 million double precision random numbers per second on a home computer. The algorithm passed an extensive suite of tests for randomness.
I do want to play your slot machine with no RNG, though.
Please play my program, link is below.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-daoqMkefHRYQJiX-CmeFNZ2eKHZpJUL/view?usp=drivesdk
Quote: MentalPersistent state.
I'm intrigued, you have videos???
Quote: rdw4potushttps://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/32613-ocean-magic/
Oh wow, nice find! Ignorance is bliss ;)
Quote: DRichThere have been tons of beatable slot machines through history. Research many of the IGT vision games.
Thank you, I will. Are these all slots that were realized with bugs or errors or bad math?
Quote: USpapergamesThank you, I will. Are these all slots that were realized with bugs or errors or bad math?
No, just unrealized exploitable features. There are plenty of beatable games on the floor today. The first one that I ever remember finding and exploiting was a poker game called flush attack. I believe that was the early 1990's.
Quote: DRichNo, just unrealized exploitable features. There are plenty of beatable games on the floor today. The first one that I ever remember finding and exploiting was a poker game called flush attack. I believe that was the early 1990's.
There are definitely a lot of beatable games & even beatable gaming machines. But how many of them are slots???
Quote: USpapergamesThere are definitely a lot of beatable games & even beatable gaming machines. But how many of them are slots???
Flush Attack had persistent state. Double Your Money Bonus Poker had persistent state. Both were video poker but are categorized as slots. Diamond mine and Cherry Pie were ordinary slots. All of these were 20 years old, and there are hundreds of ordinary slot games out there now that are beatable.
Slot and video poker progressives have persistent state for the payouts. Other persistent state games flip back in forth from +EV to -EV modes.
Quote: MentalFlush Attack had persistent state. Double Your Money Bonus Poker had persistent state. Both were video poker but are categorized as slots. Diamond mine and Cherry Pie were ordinary slots. All of these were 20 years old, and there are hundreds of ordinary slot games out there now that are beatable.
Slot and video poker progressives have persistent state for the payouts. Other persistent state games flip back in forth from +EV to -EV modes.
So again we have another communication problem which if you hadn't told me how you categorize slot games I would probably attempt to prove your wrong when really it's just a disagreement on word usage. I clearly don't consider slots to be any gaming machine since in my comment I distinguish between the 2. A slot is a game that uses reels and pays out according to the payline outcomes. Video poker is definitely not a slot machine.
Quote: USpapergamesThere are definitely a lot of beatable games & even beatable gaming machines. But how many of them are slots???
There's maybe two dozen beatable slot titles right now. Some are more popular than others. But that's a big enough number that it's safe to say most plays are slot plays.
Quote: rdw4potusThere's maybe two dozen beatable slot titles right now. Some are more popular than others. But that's a big enough number that it's safe to say most plays are slot plays.
I'd love a list sir ;)
Quote: USpapergamesI'd love a list sir ;)
Mmhmm
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZU1I46yJs_nyDv7RnpbOFAWHG8Gj9Zj3DI8-gK2PTD4/edit?usp=drivesdk
Quote: USpapergamesI'd love a list sir ;)
Why would any advantage player want to publish a list of games they are beating? Think about it.
If you do your homework you will find that some of them have been mentioned on this site but very few are public. Spend a couple hundred hours playing the machines and you will start to catch on. If you visit every casino in Vegas you will run into plenty of them.
Do you live in Vegas? If not, you should if this is the business you want to get into.
True, but the methodologies are well known, among which are vulturing must-hit-by progressives, ordinary progressives, bonus accumulator slots, etc. Aside from vulturing, there are a few other methods, especially against "bingo" and "class-2" slots.Quote: DRichWhy would any advantage player want to publish a list of games they are beating? Think about it.
But aren't there teams that roam casinos in Las Vegas vulturing these things? I've heard it is pretty crowded out there. Which is why folks take to the road.
Quote: teliotTrue, but the methodologies are well known, among which are vulturing must-hit-by progressives, ordinary progressives, bonus accumulator slots, etc. Aside from vulturing, there are a few other methods, especially against "bingo" and "class-2" slots.
But aren't there teams that roam casinos in Las Vegas vulturing these things? I've heard it is pretty crowded out there. Which is why folks take to the road.
I agree but my point is that someone in the industry should be able to do their homework and uncover some of these games.
A bity of history ...Quote: DRichI agree but my point is that someone in the industry should be able to do their homework and uncover some of these games.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/20253-accumulator-slots/
Quote: DRichWhy would any advantage player want to publish a list of games they are beating? Think about it.
If you do your homework you will find that some of them have been mentioned on this site but very few are public. Spend a couple hundred hours playing the machines and you will start to catch on. If you visit every casino in Vegas you will run into plenty of them.
Do you live in Vegas? If not, you should if this is the business you want to get into.
I completely agree with you but I never said he had to publish the list, but if I could get the list...I'll accept a private message ;)
About Vegas, I used to live in Vegas years ago as a professional poker player but my #1 rule was to always travel so when I felt that the locals were catching on to my game I left only to make Vegas a place my extended stay place to play once a year.
Last year I had planed on moving to Vegas & brought all of my things (many rare & expensive) & paid the dealer that I hired to run the Cutting Edge Table Games Conference to use his truck to haul all my stuff to Vegas. The last day of the conference he leaves early to go back to the hotel we were sharing to steal all my stuff (including $1,600) & left me homeless in an expensive suit. That night it was raining and I had to grab the only large thick piece of plastic I could find to cover my self & get through the night. He had the audacity to show back up to my moms place and drop off the stuff of mine he didn't want to steal (because of no value) only because he didn't want to pay to dumb my stuff lol.
So let's say I've had some setbacks making Vegas my home...
Quote: teliotTrue, but the methodologies are well known, among which are vulturing must-hit-by progressives, ordinary progressives, bonus accumulator slots, etc. Aside from vulturing, there are a few other methods, especially against "bingo" and "class-2" slots.
But aren't there teams that roam casinos in Las Vegas vulturing these things? I've heard it is pretty crowded out there. Which is why folks take to the road.
I think the reason why I might be ignorant of Slot advantage play is because I never believed it was possible to begin with so I never properly researched the subject. I thought vultering (that's a great word by the way, idk if you came up with it) was only possible on UK machines?
Quote: USpapergamesI think the reason why I might be ignorant of Slot advantage play is because I never believed it was possible to begin with so I never properly researched the subject. I thought vultering (that's a great word by the way, idk if you came up with it) was only possible on UK machines?
The ocean magic play in the link I shared about that game is a vulturing play. Wait for the last person to leave a bubble in the right spot & leave, then sit down and play...
