My covid-19 continuing journey
Yes, Thanks Fantom.Quote: kewljFair enough, fantom. Thanks for taking a look and updating your survival rate.
Only thing I would say is about the comment "even 98% is pretty good". There are 2% that would argue that, IF THEY WERE ALIVE TO DO SO. LOL.
Maybe less often mentioned is the horrendous skew of the mortality rates with age. There are lots of factors determining probability of death by covid, the biggest being age. Whether you want absolute or relative rates, a picture is worth a 1000 words.
mortality risk by age Something like 20 times more likely to die over age 60.
mortality risk by precondition Something like 7 times more likely to die if you have diabetes or respiratory disease.
Now, human value by age is an emotive subject with some saying 'Oh well they are old and going to die soon' Or maybe 'Let's just socially distance the old and get on with things'. First it came for our old people....
A similar argument might be made for many other vulnerable groups 'Oh well, it impacts cancer victims, diabetics, obese people, ethnic minorities, the poor, the careless, the brave, the stupid.' etc etc.
It's a slippery slope into controversial posting rules, though, so I'll leave it there.. I don't want to wander into eugenics.
For reference, the CFR for the Spanish Flu (according to Google) was 2.8%, and that was before effective modern hospital treatments. Maybe the CFR for the Spanish Flu would have been a lot lower with modern anti-virals and ICU's. A good argument could be made that Covid is deadlier than the Spanish Flu of 1918-1919. Could you imagine Covid in 1918, the health-care system of that day?
Quote: coilman
Good news at least the numbers are down, way down the past week. 35 new cases in the whole county yesterday
The bad news the death total that stood around 67 December 10 now is 316
67 in the first 9 months
249 deaths in the past 6 weeks
I live near London On and we have been hearing the bad news coming out of Windsor-Essex. Glad to hear things are starting to turn around. Elementary students here head back to class Monday and I can only hope this doesn't start the spread all over.
Quote: vegasI live near London On and we have been hearing the bad news coming out of Windsor-Essex. Glad to hear things are starting to turn around. Elementary students here head back to class Monday and I can only hope this doesn't start the spread all over.
Sorry to hear you guys are from Canada (I did know coilman was of course). We will try not to hold that against you. LOL>
Seriously, I don't know why the push to reopen schools. Think of the teachers. The kids don't get sick (as a rule) but they are carriers of the virus. So the teacher is in a class with 20 little carriers who probably aren't showing symptoms. Is that fair? We should just continue virtual learning for the remainder of this school year and have a target goal of getting everyone vaccinated and getting back to normal by end of summer just in time for the new school year.
I saw a very disturbing story on CNN today. They were talking about how poorly the U.S. was doing with it's vaccination roll out and control of the virus. They said some countries have the virus almost completely under control and have almost completely vaccinating all their citizens. They didn't identify what countries they might be talking about, but I am guessing smaller populations.
But here is the disturbing part. They said if the U.S. continues to lag and the virus mutates to the point that the vaccination isn't as effective, those countries go right back to square one with us and lose everything they have done to get ahead of the virus. Just a reminder we are all in this together. One county's failure is everybody's failure.
I'm well versed in using Google, how, some of the people here are good at breaking down all the BS and posting up the key points. So, I don't mind asking the questions here and trusting certain members will give accurate information based on what they know or have read. I can always do my own research if I think otherwise, or if I want more information. Even though I think OD is one of the WMOAT, and I hate your disimination of information, that doesn't mean I don't respect both of you, your knowledge, reporting of facts, and general views. I'll be the first to call out any fear mongering, BS, or things I know not to be true.Quote: teliotYes these pay walls suck. I would assume you are as good at using Google as I am at this point. But what I have heard and read is very bad news.
P. S. I don't run and research things on Google just so I can come back here and pretend to be an expert or have knowledge of something I actually don't., like some people do.
I would never do such a thing, especially when it comes to things like Bitcoin.
Quote: teliotJust checked, seasonal flu typically has a 0.1% to 0.2% CFR (case fatality rate) depending on the year, compared to about 1.7% for Covid.
Remove all the deaths falsely attributed
to covee and you'll be in the ballpark
of the flu. Hospitals get 10's of thousands
from the gov't for every covee patient,
and all hospitals are crooks. Connect
the dots.
Quote: EvenBobRemove all the deaths falsely attributed
to covee and you'll be in the ballpark
of the flu. Hospitals get 10's of thousands
from the gov't for every covee patient,
and all hospitals are crooks. Connect
the dots.
The excess deaths number from the last year not only completely disagree with you but actually show there might be massive underreporting of C19 deaths in some cases/countries if anything.
Quote: kewlj
Seriously, I don't know why the push to reopen schools. Think of the teachers. The kids don't get sick (as a rule) but they are carriers of the virus. So the teacher is in a class with 20 little carriers who probably aren't showing symptoms. Is that fair? We should just continue virtual learning for the remainder of this school year and have a target goal of getting everyone vaccinated and getting back to normal by end of summer just in time for the new school year.
The schools are very difficult issue. On one hand they might be one of the if not the most responsible places for spreading the virus from the classrooms to adults at home, but on the other the virtual learning has proved to be massively inadequate and very insufficient alternative to the regular learning process, plus the younger age students of elementary school staying home requires at least one parent stays home too most of the time.
If we end up with a generation of children who have missed important school year(s) we might as well shut down the economy for decades ahead.
It's no easy task making the correct decisions of such national importance these days, that much is certain.
FYI KewlJQuote: kewlj...talking about how poorly the U.S. was doing with it's vaccination roll out and control of the virus. They said some countries have the virus almost completely under control and have almost completely vaccinating all their citizens. They didn't identify what countries they might be talking about, but I am guessing smaller populations.
I understand that Australia and New Zealand have pretty much crushed Covid and they've done that pretty much without vaccines.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-australia-state-idUSKBN2A1191
But please don't let me fuel the debate that Wizard has warned about. At least not here
Quote: rawtuffThe schools are very difficult issue. On one hand they might be one of the if not the most responsible places for spreading the virus from the classrooms to adults at home, but on the other the virtual learning has proved to be massively inadequate and very insufficient alternative to the regular learning process, plus the younger age students of elementary school staying home requires at least one parent stays home too most of the time.
If we end up with a generation of children who have missed important school year(s) we might as well shut down the economy for decades ahead.
It's no easy task making the correct decisions of such national importance these days, that much is certain.
Exactly. You touched on the two main issues of why kids here are going back to school. Parents are tired of babysitting and remote learning has not worked out very well overall.
Here's the UK rollout plan. Slightly different to the USAQuote: josephrevellI am interested to know about the first round of vaccination in London. I know that a vaccination plan was drawn up and the doctors went through the first stage of vaccination.
We are currently working through cohort 4.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55171142
Quote: UK[/bvaccination cohorts]Who will get the vaccine and in what order?
1 - Residents in a care home for older adults and their carers
2 - All those aged 80 and over. Frontline health and social care workers
3 - All those aged 75 and over
4 - All those aged 70 and over. Clinically extremely vulnerable individuals
5 - All those aged 65 and over
6 - All individuals aged 16-64 with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality
7 - All those aged 60 and over
8 - All those aged 55 and over
9 - All those aged 50 and over
Two groups will not receive the vaccine:
1 - Pregnant women
2 - Most children under 16
It's broken down approximately as 5 year age range cohorts, but with shortcuts into the process for carers and front-line medical staff and those with serious medical conditions.
There is some overlap in the groupings, for example, the 70-75 age range are able to get the vaccine at the same broad time frame as the 76-80 group.
Currently, the UK is broadly on target to get the over 70s, carers and extremely vulnerable vaccinated by 15 Feb.
This applies fairly evenly for the whole of the UK. including London.... Assuming you didn't mean London Ontario $:o)
Now I just have to figure out the plan? LOL. Just kidding, Of course Mom is coming to my home when it is time, until she is ready to go to her home, where she lives by herself. I am a little nervous about a covid patient coming directly from the hospital to my home, being that I have medical conditions that makes me high risk, I'm going to have to read up on that and figure out just when the contagious period ends (Oncedear or anyone with knowledge??). Either way, I will make it work.
Quote: kewljI am so thrilled and thankful to report my Mother left ICU today and seems to be on the mend. We got to facetime with her this morning and she seems much more like herself. Still receiving oxygen. The nurse asked what kind of plans I had for when Mom is ready to be released, which can only be a good sign.
Now I just have to figure out the plan? LOL. Just kidding, Of course Mom is coming to my home when it is time, until she is ready to go to her home, where she lives by herself. I am a little nervous about a covid patient coming directly from the hospital to my home, being that I have medical conditions that makes me high risk, I'm going to have to read up on that and figure out just when the contagious period ends (Oncedear or anyone with knowledge??). Either way, I will make it work.
Good news KJ. Hope she gets well soon.
FYI KewlJ,
I believe that UK recommendations are probably far more cautious than your own CDC's guidelines, so I suggest you read them here.*. These cover discharge to private homes or to residential care homes. Since you consider yourself vulnerable, maybe take those latter recommendations?
* let me know if you are geoblocked from that link.
Here's something similar from the CDCQuote: kewljLinks works fine. Thanks.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/disposition-hospitalized-patients.html
Quote: rawtuffThe excess deaths number from the last year not only completely disagree with you but actually show there might be massive underreporting of C19 deaths in some cases/countries if anything.
Facts pretty much always disagree with EB’s random proclamations.
Quote: AxelWolfI think if someone previously had a case of covid-19 that landed them in the hospital, they should be somewhere at the top of the list for the vaccine. It's bad enough they were unfortunate enough to get it once and end up in the hospital, I don't think they should have to be put through that again.
Dr Fauci said something like that yesterday. It is mostly because of the changing variants. The natural immunity from the strain 5, 6, 7, 8 months ago, isn't going to offer max protection against the new strains,
But there also, is a conflicting thing where people that have RECENTLY had covid need to wait some period before getting the vaccine. I am not exactly sure why, but I read and heard that several times.
It truly amazes me how some people have a very mild illness, really no different than a mild cold , while others are so much more severe with major lung problems and damage. And I am not just talking about old people or people with various conditions. My Mom was healthy prior to contracting covid. It just can be so random with one healthy person, effected mildly, while the health person next to them much more severe.
Quote: kewljJust a quick update on my mother's recovery. Mom is being released from the hospital today and my brother is currently picking her up. Thanks for all the well wishes. She spent 13 days in the hospital, 8 in ICU, 3 on a ventilator. And that minor compared to some peoples journey through covid. For that I am grateful as I was pretty worried there for a couple days.
It truly amazes me how some people have a very mild illness, really no different than a mild cold , while others are so much more severe with major lung problems and damage. And I am not just talking about old people or people with various conditions. My Mom was healthy prior to contracting covid. It just can be so random with one healthy person, effected mildly, while the health person next to them much more severe.
Congrats on the outcome. Once she was sick enough to be put on ventilator her odds weren’t great! But she beat the odds! How about husband and wife with one getting sick and the other not even getting the disease at all!? I can’t wait til we don’t have to talk about it!
Does your mom usually get flu/pneumonia shots?Quote: kewljJust a quick update on my mother's recovery. Mom is being released from the hospital today and my brother is currently picking her up. Thanks for all the well wishes. She spent 13 days in the hospital, 8 in ICU, 3 on a ventilator. And that minor compared to some peoples journey through covid. For that I am grateful as I was pretty worried there for a couple days.
It truly amazes me how some people have a very mild illness, really no different than a mild cold , while others are so much more severe with major lung problems and damage. And I am not just talking about old people or people with various conditions. My Mom was healthy prior to contracting covid. It just can be so random with one healthy person, effected mildly, while the health person next to them much more severe.
Quote: petroglyphDoes your mom usually get flu/pneumonia shots?
I don't know the answer. I can ask in the morning. Why do you ask? Is there some connection between not getting flu/pneumonia shots and more severe cases of covid that I haven't read about?
I don't want to feed into any conspiracy theory's. My fil went and got both a flu shot and pneumonia shot, then died 12 weeks later from pneumonia. That's when we learned about how many different types of pneumonia there are. He could have gotten the vaccine that is supposed to prevent 8 kinds and possibly lived?Quote: kewljI don't know the answer. I can ask in the morning. Why do you ask? Is there some connection between not getting flu/pneumonia shots and more severe cases of covid that I haven't read about?
It is strange that some people with the same exposure, one gets a bad case and another, nothing at all. My sister had a terrible reaction to Yellow fever vaccine a couple years ago. Took her weeks to get out of ICU, then months to get away from 24 hour care. She was intubated for I think, 3 weeks?
Quote: kewljI don't know the answer. I can ask in the morning. Why do you ask? Is there some connection between not getting flu/pneumonia shots and more severe cases of covid that I haven't read about?
Sort of, It's called coinfection.
IDK if this source is Onionesque, but sounds virus like.
As A Brit, I'll give my take.Quote: petroglyphhttps://planetfreewill.news/uk-vaccine-minister-all-over-age-50-must-be-vaccinated-before-lockdown-lift-begins/
IDK if this source is Onionesque, but sounds virus like.
planetfreewill.news is a bit 'onionesque'. It's a bit rebellious against current UK lockdown, but not exactly extreme.
Though we Brits are deep in lockdown, we broadly accept that it is necessary and proportionate. Our leaders are tying themselves in knots trying to give a 'hopeful' message and a roadmap for recovery, but they know that they have frequently opened too soon.
That UK government official, UK Vaccine Minister Nadhim Zahawi, has previously expounded some ridiculous ideas and has foolishly pencilled in dates for certain bits of reopening. Now he seems to be trying to backtrack. Our PM has done the same and is similarly back-tracking.
The report to 'the Sun' a gutter tabloid, should not be taken too seriously.
We are currently vaccinating broadly on 'oldest first' basis, which gives a bit of a dilemma. Imagine you are 60 and vaccinated but you know NO under 50's have been vaccinated? Do you relax in the crowded bar or cinema when it reopens, knowing that the virus might be all around you in those younger people?.
Quote: fantom
hypocracy.
That “word” definitely would not fly in scrabble.
Quote: OnceDearAs A Brit, I'll give my take.
planetfreewill.news is a bit 'onionesque'. It's a bit rebellious against current UK lockdown, but not exactly extreme.
Though we Brits are deep in lockdown, we broadly accept that it is necessary and proportionate. Our leaders are tying themselves in knots trying to give a 'hopeful' message and a roadmap for recovery, but they know that they have frequently opened too soon.
That UK government official, UK Vaccine Minister Nadhim Zahawi, has previously expounded some ridiculous ideas and has foolishly pencilled in dates for certain bits of reopening. Now he seems to be trying to backtrack. Our PM has done the same and is similarly back-tracking.
The report to 'the Sun' a gutter tabloid, should not be taken too seriously.
We are currently vaccinating broadly on 'oldest first' basis, which gives a bit of a dilemma. Imagine you are 60 and vaccinated but you know NO under 50's have been vaccinated? Do you relax in the crowded bar or cinema when it reopens, knowing that the virus might be all around you in those younger people?.
Tell me what portion of this reply is NOT poltical?
onionesque
we broadly accept
tying themselves in knots
ridiculous ideas
foolishly penciled in dates
gutter tabloid
So how about these statements, which are NOT my opinion, but are cited as examples:
The New York Times is onionesque
We broadly accept that He Who Must Not Be Named was responsible for the riot
President (insert a name of your choice here) is tying himself in knots
Dr. Fauci has expounded some ridiculous ideas and foolishly penciled in dates
The New York Post is a gutter tabloid
If I were to make such statements, WHICH I AM NOT, would I be suspended? Why not Administrator OnceDear?
I don't object to Rule 19. As has been stated many times in the past, this is a dictatorship. So be it. Since it is, Rule 19 should be rewritten:
We reserve the right to remove and cancel any message or any person that we don't like. For any reason. Which we not are obligated to state, justify, or explain.
Since it is a dictatorship, I guess we have no standing to object to the arbitrary, ambiguous and varying enforcement of this "rule."
But what about the hypocrisy. Or is mentioning the bloody obvious a "political statement?"
Quote: petroglyphDoes your mom usually get flu/pneumonia shots?
Quote: kewljI don't know the answer. I can ask in the morning. Why do you ask? Is there some connection between not getting flu/pneumonia shots and more severe cases of covid that I haven't read about?
So my Mother did not get the flu shot this year. She said some years she has gotten it and some years she doesn't. That is going to change going forward.
