The "New" Las Vegas
Quote: darkozI thought body temperature adjusts to outside heat and cold. That's the main difference between cold blood and warm blood animals. Warm blooded adjusts.
Your temperature doesn't go down in middle of freezing weather. Your body heat adjusts internally. Same with extreme heat.
That is correct. A proper functioning body regulates and controls temperature, meaning your core body temperature isn't going to go up based on 105 degrees outside. Now you get into people with different medical condition, this function may not work properly. This is why such people get overheated easily.
But the whole temperature taking exercise is a joke. It is for show. There are several problems with it.
1.) 98.6 is not a normal temperature for everyone. It is an average "normal" temperature. A person's normal temperature can be anywhere from 97 degree to 99 something. I generally run just about 1 degree lower between 97.6 and 98.0. So if I have a fever and am running say 100.0, that would be under the 100.4 threshold and I would be admitted, but it would be a good 2 degrees above my normal.
2.) People can get infected and be able to pass the virus, BEFORE they register a fever. The fever usually comes several days later and some people don't have the symptom of a fever.
3.) Fever reducing medication. If someone feels sick and yet wants to go to a casino, they can pop a couple ibuprofen or Tylenol. They may not even be sick from this virus, maybe they take ibuprofen regularly for back or knee pain or some other condition. My late partner took 800 mgs of ibuprofen 3-4 times a day for his back. I can almost guarantee he wouldn't have a fever entering a casino.
4.) Just how accurate are these readings??
Quote: ArmageddenNo thanks to the FACEMASKLESS gamblers, protesters, indoor-attendees, simpletons, etc....Wow, 40,588 guys got infected with covid19 in just 1 day!
The good news is that the "portable vaccine" has been around since 1972. That "portable vaccine" is called N95Facemask. Wearing it can prevent Coal workers' pneumoconiosis, Tuberculosis, Ebola virus, covid19. etc...
As of 6/26 per CDCdotGov
TOTAL CASES in USA
2,414,870
40,588 New Cases*
TOTAL DEATHS
124,325
2,516 New Deaths*
*Compared to yesterday's data
"Portable vaccine" was coined by a lady doctor. I saw her as I flipped thru one of these news-TV-channels:
CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, One America News, Bloomberg Television, CNBC, Fox Business Network, etc...
Well I sure hope the people running the show in Canada are smart enough to keep the NORTHERN BORDER closed until this "blows over"
Canada new cases June 26 ************* 172 ******************* population 37 Million
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Quote: coilmanWell I sure hope the people running the show in Canada are smart enough to keep the NORTHERN BORDER closed until this "blows over"
Canada new cases June 26 ************* 172 ******************* population 37 Million
But Canada IS to blame for the U.S. coronavirus situation!
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Quote: kewljMy late partner took 800 mgs of ibuprofen 3-4 times a day for his back. I can almost guarantee he wouldn't have a fever entering a casino.
Please accept my sincere sympathy.
My thoughts and prayers are with you as you mourn for your partner (who passed away because of covid19?)
Quote: ArmageddenPlease accept my sincere sympathy.
My thoughts and prayers are with you as you mourn for your partner (who passed away because of covid19?)
My partner passed away 2 years ago, unrelated to covid 19. Sorry if my comment was confusing.
I am just saying anyone taking fever reducing medication for pain or other issues isn't going to register a fever.
https://nvhealthresponse.nv.gov/
Quote: TomGLVAC sent an email Thursday night saying "members must wear a mask". So I went on Friday, but there was a sign, saying "Masks are not required". Probably not going back. But after exercising there, then getting in my car that was sitting in 108F heat, the casino thermometer had my temperature at 96.6. The calibration is either off, or they are not using them correctly. My theory is so that they never have to deny entrance to anyone, even if they do have coronavirus symptoms.
I was involved in a medical study involving patient temperature maybe 10 years ago. I took my own temperature a lot and almost always was 98.6. After being in the AC hospital, after coming in from hot outside, or very cold outside. It is what the body does. It thermoregulates you to 'normal', which is around 98.6 for most. Quite remarkable. Just went to Doctor for routine appointment. They take your temperature upon arrival before you are allowed entrance. Mine was told to me to be 97.1. I would have to be left in a snow bank for hours naked to get down to 97.1 I'd have to be dead 9slight exaggeration) to get to 96.6. If you were really 96.6 you would have been shivering like you never have before.
The temperature taking craze is the lowest yield 'safety' precaution since.....
Quote: kewljMy partner passed away 2 years ago, unrelated to covid 19. Sorry if my comment was confusing.
I am just saying anyone taking fever reducing medication for pain or other issues isn't going to register a fever.
Thanks for reminding me of this. My brother in law had COVID-19, and at the time he was just feeling a little febrile. He would take a few tylenol and eliminate the fever. He could have gone to a casino with ease while infected and infectious. He at the time did not think it was COVID-19, but it became clear after all of his family had varying symptoms that they all had it. He is now a COVID-19 plasma donor now.
Quote: SOOPOOI was involved in a medical study involving patient temperature maybe 10 years ago. I took my own temperature a lot and almost always was 98.6. After being in the AC hospital, after coming in from hot outside, or very cold outside. It is what the body does. It thermoregulates you to 'normal', which is around 98.6 for most. Quite remarkable. Just went to Doctor for routine appointment. They take your temperature upon arrival before you are allowed entrance. Mine was told to me to be 97.1. I would have to be left in a snow bank for hours naked to get down to 97.1 I'd have to be dead 9slight exaggeration) to get to 96.6. If you were really 96.6 you would have been shivering like you never have before.
The temperature taking craze is the lowest yield 'safety' precaution since.....
When I was younger, my temperature was almost always below 98.6. When digitals first came out, it wasn't unusual to be in the mid 97 range. As I got older and fatter it slowly inched up. I've been scanned twice lately- 97.8 and 98.4. The second was after I'd bn wearing a mask fr an hour or so and fly like I was about to break out in a sweat.
Quote: KeeneoneA record ~1100 new cases in NV reported this morning.
https://nvhealthresponse.nv.gov/
Governor was told repeatedly that it might be worthwhile to make masks a requirement for a couple months upon reopening casinos. He basically spit on those suggestions back then.
Now he mandates masks.
He doesn’t know what he’s doing. Just guessing.
The fact that they still don’t want to address smoking or vaping thruout the casino floor tells you all you need to know about “safety precautions”.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Quote: kewlj
4.) Just how accurate are these readings??
I've heard the one downtown that makes you touch your wrist to the metal detector is woefully inaccurate. I read someone got a reading in the 80s with that thing and the employee didn't care. You'd be dead if your body temp was in the 80s! With that miscalibration, probably everyone will be below 100!
Quote: tringlomaneI've heard the one downtown that makes you touch your wrist to the metal detector is woefully inaccurate. I read someone got a reading in the 80s with that thing and the employee didn't care. You'd be dead if your body temp was in the 80s! With that miscalibration, probably everyone will be below 100!
The place doing the wrist detector is the D for anyone wondering. Not sure why tringlomane didn't want to name them?
Oddly, El Cortez doesn't even bother with temperatures or at least weren't when I stopped visiting a week or so ago. I think the very first day they re-opened they had someone taking temperatures with a hand held device and on 3 visits after that they had already done a way with it.
Quote: SOOPOOHe is now a COVID-19 plasma donor now.
I found donating antibodies a rather unusual experience. They took a bag of blood similar to any blood donation. Then I sat there for 30-45 minutes, not even knowing what I was waiting for. And then, they came back and put blood back into me. ??
Apparently they separate out the part that has antibodies and then put the rest back in? ??
Anybody have any idea why this would be?
Quote: kewljI found donating antibodies a rather unusual experience. They took a bag of blood similar to any blood donation. Then I sat there for 30-45 minutes, not even knowing what I was waiting for. And then, they came back and put blood back into me. ??
Apparently they separate out the part that has antibodies and then put the rest back in? ??
Anybody have any idea why this would be?
Just a guess, but maybe so you can donate more frequently?
Quote: kewljThat is correct. A proper functioning body regulates and controls temperature, meaning your core body temperature isn't going to go up based on 105 degrees outside. Now you get into people with different medical condition, this function may not work properly. This is why such people get overheated easily.
But the whole temperature taking exercise is a joke. It is for show. There are several problems with it.
1.) 98.6 is not a normal temperature for everyone. It is an average "normal" temperature. A person's normal temperature can be anywhere from 97 degree to 99 something. I generally run just about 1 degree lower between 97.6 and 98.0. So if I have a fever and am running say 100.0, that would be under the 100.4 threshold and I would be admitted, but it would be a good 2 degrees above my normal.
2.) People can get infected and be able to pass the virus, BEFORE they register a fever. The fever usually comes several days later and some people don't have the symptom of a fever.
3.) Fever reducing medication. If someone feels sick and yet wants to go to a casino, they can pop a couple ibuprofen or Tylenol. They may not even be sick from this virus, maybe they take ibuprofen regularly for back or knee pain or some other condition. My late partner took 800 mgs of ibuprofen 3-4 times a day for his back. I can almost guarantee he wouldn't have a fever entering a casino.
4.) Just how accurate are these readings??
You have to think in terms of percentages and multiple strategies. The temp taking is hardly an arduous inconvenience, like some of the TSA stuff. So what if it only catches a small percentage. Unless you’re implying it won’t do any good at all?
Quote: DRichYes, for real.
I don't want to die tomorrow but I have accepted that it is a possibility. Once everyone understands that we can die on any day, that is the time to start enjoying life.
Pretty sure everyone (mentally able and above 6 or so) understands that. Doesn't mean everyone should start invite illness, suffering or premature death upon them just to prove a point they do understand and are too macho to care cause we'll all eventually turn into worms food. Not caring about the odds of you dying you have at least somewhat conscious control over just to prove a point or to try and feel some illusionary freedom is as insane as it gets.
Quote: kewljI found donating antibodies a rather unusual experience. They took a bag of blood similar to any blood donation. Then I sat there for 30-45 minutes, not even knowing what I was waiting for. And then, they came back and put blood back into me. ??
Apparently they separate out the part that has antibodies and then put the rest back in? ??
Anybody have any idea why this would be?
You donate a pint of whole blood, then wait 45 minutes while they spin the blood in a centrifuge, separating out the plasma containing those antibodies. Then they returned the red blood cells to you.
Quote: zippyboyYou donate a pint of whole blood, then wait 45 minutes while they spin the blood in a centrifuge, separating out the plasma containing those antibodies. Then they returned the red blood cells to you.
That sounds about right....pretty close to my experience.
I wouldn't have had a problem except they didn't explain it to me. I thought I was done and maybe would be getting some juice and a snack like after you donate blood and instead just sat there waiting for 30-45 minutes and didn't even know what I was waiting for.
In the end I never did get a snack or juice. :(
Quote: ChumpChangeLAS VEGAS CULINARY UNION HAS FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST LAS VEGAS CASINOS FOR FAILING TO PROTECT ITS WORKERS AGAINST COVID-19, PLANNING A MASSIVE SICK OUT - LVRJ
Masks are now required. As far as I know the guidelines are pretty much being enforced. 3 to a table, etc. Every other seat removed. Social distance stickers all over...how many horses were killed for the amount of glue used??
A resort casino environment is almost impossible to enforce every nook and cranny of the guidelines without each casino hiring 500 guys walking around with billy clubs and megaphones.
What exactly do they want beyond asking for things that are next to impossible to do without another shutdown?
I feel for these employees....but you ARE going to be in fairly close contact with a LOT of people coming from all over the country. Nature of the beast. True safety isn’t there. Never will be.
Quote: kewljI found donating antibodies a rather unusual experience. They took a bag of blood similar to any blood donation. Then I sat there for 30-45 minutes, not even knowing what I was waiting for. And then, they came back and put blood back into me. ??
Apparently they separate out the part that has antibodies and then put the rest back in? ??
Anybody have any idea why this would be?
If it is a pure plasma donation they need, they 'spin' the plasma off of the whole blood, then return the non plasma to the donor, so your hemoglobin level does not drop. Of course most healthy people can very well tolerate a loss of one unit of blood's worth of hemoglobin, but if you don't have to lose it, why do so?
Quote: billryanYour anti-smoking campaign might gain traction if you showed some sympathy for the people who actually have to work in the casinos.
I do have sympathy for anyone who has to work in this environment. With all the years that have gone by where we know 2nd hand smoke is a major health problem....corona has the union drawing a line in the sand? Please.
The health precautions are a joke as it relates to the statement “The health and safety of our guests and employees is our #1 priority”. It’s not.
The casino bosses know this. Sisolak knows this. Gaming control knows this. You can’t smoke in Hornbuckles house. You can’t smoke in Rodio’s house. You can’t smoke in Sheldons house...or Wynns’s or Derek Stevens or Bill Boyd. In fact all of them will tell you put that out or get out. They find it offensive and know it’s a health hazard.
Anyone with a brain can see how the casinos, gaming control, Sisolak are side stepping ANY question as it relates to the chance that blowing smoke or vape just might be a contributing factor to the spread.
But....attach money to it?....that’s a different language for them.
Any stance the union wants to take as far as increasing precautions....I’m fine with that. They have been subjected to an unhealthy environment since we as a people eliminated smoking indoors from 98% of businesses...except theirs.
I get it....my only wish is they admit the hypocrisy.
Quote: TDVegasThe health precautions are a joke as it relates to the statement “The health and safety of our guests and employees is our #1 priority”. It’s not. .
This is the greatest hypocrisy of the entire pandemic, parroted at the very beginning of every self-serving, patronizing, condescending advertisement, email, solicitation, and offer.
Unless it is followed by "...and so, we are remaining closed so that you, our guests and employees, will stand an improved chance of... NOT DYING!"
Cigarette smoke and covid-19 virus particles propagate and infect non-smoking virus-free individuals in the same way, but to a different degree, with the same effect, just over different lengths of time. It is hypocritical to consider either one different from the other.
I am still opting to not spend much time in casinos right now, other than cashing in free play at a handful of places. Not even playing to generate future free play and offers.....just cashing in right now. I will re-evaluate the situation after Labor Day, but I am prepared to not play blackjack, which is how I make a living for the remainder of the year and even into next year if need be.
Quote: racquetThis is the greatest hypocrisy of the entire pandemic, parroted at the very beginning of every self-serving, patronizing, condescending advertisement, email, solicitation, and offer.
Unless it is followed by "...and so, we are remaining closed so that you, our guests and employees, will stand an improved chance of... NOT DYING!"
Cigarette smoke and covid-19 virus particles propagate and infect non-smoking virus-free individuals in the same way, but to a different degree, with the same effect, just over different lengths of time. It is hypocritical to consider either one different from the other.
I get it. I understand it. The casino bosses do not want to limit or ban smoking for ANY reason whatsoever. 2nd hand smoke, corona, diabetes...whatever. Ergo, the same can be said for gaming control and just about every Nevada politician...including the guy currently in charge. They don’t even want the word “smoking” mentioned on any guideline, rule or health directive as it relates to opening up. Wash hands? 55 mentions. Clean surface? 26 mentions. Social distance? 17 mentions. Smoking or vaping...0 mentions.
I get it. It’s a money issue. It’s a financial issue over health. It’s an issue they don’t want to address...regardless if 35 health experts stepped up and said “might be a good idea to limit blowing respiratory smoke and vape all over”.
At least have the damn cojones to say it. “We are being hypocrites and we know it”. Que sera, sera. Nothing worse than those feeding you BS who knows it’s BS. Not everyone is driving in on a turnip truck.
https://vegas.eater.com/2020/6/26/21304837/texas-station-fiesta-rancho-gaming-liquor-licenses-on-hold-coronavirus-pandemic
Quote: KeeneoneI think a member (kewlj?) mentioned something about the closed Stations properties potentially being up for sale. I came accross this article about Fiesta Rancho and Texas Station. Sounds like the properties may close for a year:
https://vegas.eater.com/2020/6/26/21304837/texas-station-fiesta-rancho-gaming-liquor-licenses-on-hold-coronavirus-pandemic
Stations casinos has closed almost half of their large properties in Vegas....with no sign of when they might re-open. The employees at those casinos were effectively fired, not furloughed so they can be hired back at some point. Fired. Thousands.
Red Rock - open
GVR - open
Sunset - open
Boulder - open
Santa Fe - open
Texas - shuttered
Palms - shuttered
Fiesta Rancho - shuttered
Fiesta Henderson - shuttered.
It would not surprise me to see these 4 closed properties sold off.
Palms was an epic mistake for this company. Burned so much cash.
Quote: Ron44I totally agree with clean surfaces and social distancing and the wearing of masks. I am very concerned about the issue of recirculating the same air in casinos that might be contaminated with particles of the virus. This is why it is so dangerous to use airplane travel at this time.
Air is filtered in planes, The real problem would be if you're within a seat or two of someone infected; then you would likely breathe their air before it was filtered.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-nevada-lawsuit/unions-sue-three-nevada-casino-properties-claiming-dangerous-working-conditions-idUSKBN24030N
Quote: Ron44Is the casino air filtered before it is recirculated?
It is. But what exact type of filter is used is what will make a difference. There are filters that will not filter out a particle as small as a coronavirus, and more expensive ones that will filter out such a small particle. Kind of like the difference between an N-95 mask and a regular surgical mask. I think in New York to open a gym or mall or other place like that you are going to need to show you use the expensive filters.
Quote:Except for some smaller or much older aircraft, airplanes are equipped with True High-Efficiency Particle Filters (True HEPA) or High-Efficiency Particle Filters (HEPA). ... The HEPA filtration system can make a complete air change approximately 15 to 30 times per hour, or once every two to four minutes.Mar 16,
Quote: darkozCan you provide a link to that?
Governor Murphy is releasing more restrictions in the next few days for the casinos to open. I won't be surprised if there is some restrictions for smoking.
This isn't vegas
Here's something from NBC TV of Philadelphia about the Atlantic City casino reopening for 7/2/20, "Gamblers coming back to Atlantic City casinos this week will find a different world: No smoking, no drinking or eating inside."
Quote: ChesterDog"Gamblers coming back to Atlantic City casinos this week will find a different world: No smoking, no drinking or eating inside."
Shouldn't be hard to find a spot to gamble. Hope the traffic on the AC Expressway doesn't get too backed up.
Quote: racquetShouldn't be hard to find a spot to gamble. Hope the traffic on the AC Expressway doesn't get too backed up.
It's also 25% occupancy INCLUDING employees
So less than 25% patrons
Quote: ChesterDogHere's something from NBC TV of Philadelphia about the Atlantic City casino reopening for 7/2/20, "Gamblers coming back to Atlantic City casinos this week will find a different world: No smoking, no drinking or no eating inside. [3 NOs]"
God bless the Irish Catholic Governor Murphy. He does the right thing (3 NOs) after he sees 35,664 new cases just in 1day as per CDC.gov's statistics:
https://www.cdc.gov//coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
TOTAL CASES in USA
2,581,229
35,664 New Cases*
TOTAL DEATHS
126,739
370 New Deaths*
*Compared to yesterday's data
COVID19 HAS BEEN GETTING WORST, NOT BETTER. Come on, Federal Government, use your powers of the defense production law. Order 3M, DuPont, J&J, etc...to make billions of N95facemasks for all Americans to save lives!
Updates:
Per NJTV, Borgata casino refuses to reopen until Murphy rescinds his 3Nos-executive order because that 3NOs are no fun for its gamblers.
HardRock casino will reopen regardless the 3Nos because It's better to make some money than no money at all. The American Indian's HotRock casino gets a tax advantage over Borgata because the tribe of a sovereign nation is exempt from paying income tax to IRS.
Quote: Armagedden
God bless the Irish Catholic Governor Murphy.
I guess if he was a Protestant Frenchman it would have been different. Maybe God would not bless him?
Quote: racquetI guess if he was a Protestant Frenchman it would have been different. Maybe God would not bless him?
The Almighty bless Racquet for playing advocatus diaboli which fruitfully produces the generally accepted answers.
I am sure you like this: God bless all Catholic-Protestant-Jewish-Muslim-Hindus-President & Governors who do the right things against covid19....such as wearing a n95facemask 24/7 in public.
Quote: ArmageddenHere's something from NBC TV of Philadelphia about the Atlantic City casino reopening for 7/2/20, "Gamblers coming back to Atlantic City casinos this week will find a different world: No smoking, no drinking or no eating inside. [3 NOs]"
Quote: ArmageddenPer NJTV, Borgata casino refuses to reopen until Murphy rescinds his 3Nos-executive order because that 3NOs are no fun for its gamblers.
HotRock casino will reopen regardless the 3Nos because It's better to make some money than no money at all. The American Indian's HotRock casino gets a tax advantage over Borgata because the tribe of a sovereign nation is exempt from paying income tax to IRS.
So, let the Borgata stay closed. Their choice. I can understand objecting to the eating and drinking ban, but not the smoking ban. If there was a chance of spread...I’m a lot more concerned about the guy next to me billowing respiratory smoke rather than downing a vodka tonic or cheesesteak.
Quote: billryanIt might not apply here, but when Trump was trying to close the old Worlds Fair, there were lots of hoops to jump through in order to maintain the gaming license. I'm not sure casinos can randomly decide when they will be open or closed. Borgotas decision to stay closed will cost the state of NJ and Atlantic City much tax revenue.
No one can force them to open...but if all the others open for business, Borgata isn’t doing themselves any favors on the public relations front. Tough times. Baby steps. Arms folded, scowl on face, looking in from the outside isn’t a good position, IMO.
Quote: TDVegasNo one can force them to open...but if all the others open for business, Borgata isn’t doing themselves any favors on the public relations front. Tough times. Baby steps. Arms folded, scowl on face, looking in from the outside isn’t a good position, IMO.
Why do you say that? I think the state gaming commission sets casino hours, not the casino. If a gaming license says you must provide 24 hour gaming, you'd be in violation of it if you decide to disregard it. I see it as Borgata operating from strength. Let the others try it. If it works, you open. If its a disaster, you tried your best to prevent it.
I think the casinos have to be united in this. It's hard to sell Atlantic City as a destination when the biggest draw in town .is saying its not safe to come.
Quote: billryanWhy do you say that? I think the state gaming commission sets casino hours, not the casino. If a gaming license says you must provide 24 hour gaming, you'd be in violation of it if you decide to disregard it. I see it as Borgata operating from strength. Let the others try it. If it works, you open. If its a disaster, you tried your best to prevent it.
I think the casinos have to be united in this. It's hard to sell Atlantic City as a destination when the biggest draw in town .is saying its not safe to come.
The Borgata says they don't want to open without smoking, drinking and eating allowed.
Sounds like they are saying screw safety if we can't make as much money by allowing smoking then we aren't opening
Quote: darkozThe Borgata says they don't want to open without smoking, drinking and eating allowed.
Sounds like they are saying screw safety if we can't make as much money by allowing smoking then we aren't opening
I would agree. I keep seeing signs all over Vegas......”the health and safety of our guests and employees is our #1 priority”.
If they can get a bunch of independent infectious medical experts telling me “it is perfectly fine to billow respiratory smoke all over the casino floor...BUT masks alone will help prevent the spread“...I’ll eat my hat.
The hypocrisy of these “safe openings“ is beyond pathetic. The bosses know it. Gaming control knows it. Medical experts know it. Fauci knows it. Sisolak knows it.
The bottom line....$$$$ over health. At least Parx Casino in PA stepped up today and banned indoor smoking. Kudos. I haven’t lost complete faith in doing the correct thing.
"grumbe,grumble they got their name in the paper or some would be 'manager' did.Quote: darkozThe Borgata says
Safety is a buzzword as is 6:5 and single deck.
no one knows what will happen, so be it reno, vegas, atlantic city or whatever, its all hogwash being touted as cologne.
