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August 12th, 2020 at 8:41:04 PM permalink
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Anyway, Dark was that you trying to dump 5000 shares at 4.15 after you said you bought them hours earlier at 4.50?



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August 12th, 2020 at 10:07:41 PM permalink
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That might be the funniest stream of posts I've ever read here.


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August 13th, 2020 at 9:33:14 AM permalink
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Bill Ryan and Soopoo are quite correct. No lawyer would say "I make 400 an hour." I'd say, I charge $400. an hour.

In any case, cutting through the differing semantics, I'd say that if DarkOz really thinks that grossing $20K in a given week is the same as making $20K a week, that he also probably has an imprecise idea of his expenses. He's described literally hundreds of people who work for him - given that kind of overhead I'd assume that even if he is grossing six figures in a given year, that he's personally barely netting a hundred grand. Maybe not even that.

In any case, he hasn't given us any clear idea of what he grosses on an annual basis or what his expenses are, beyond this "I make $20,000. a week" statement. He has no obligation to clear any of this up, other than that he opened up the can of worms himself.

Anyway, Dark was that you trying to dump 5000 shares at 4.15 after you said you bought them hours earlier at 4.50?



Look MD... dark has been consistent on his take on CYDY. He has purchased it and said he won't sell it until it being a success in the COVID-19 fight is factored in. IF it is deemed a success like Remdesivir and Dexamethasone have been, the stock WILL soar. Meaning there will be some millions of doses needed just in the USA alone.

I did have some 3rd hand info (now public info, private at the time) that Leronlimab was looking good, and not wanting to go to jail I did not buy any CYDY, and did not share the info on this forum, or anywhere, for that matter.
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August 13th, 2020 at 10:39:30 AM permalink
I bought a $1000 worth of CYDY based solely on Darkoz passion for it. Obviously if it tanks $1000 isn't going to hurt me, I look at it just like casino gambling. You win some and lose more.
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August 13th, 2020 at 12:03:24 PM permalink
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I bought a $1000 worth of CYDY based solely on Darkoz passion for it. Obviously if it tanks $1000 isn't going to hurt me, I look at it just like casino gambling. You win some and lose more.



same, but $2000. With the same thoughts about outcome. I'll manage.
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August 13th, 2020 at 1:15:32 PM permalink
I actually felt sorry for DarkOz watching billryan attack him on this thread. No one deserves that.

Strategies for minimizing billryan attacks
My emerging strategy: just limit my posts to mathematics - not coronavirus mathematics, but real mathematics - and billryan doesn't attack.

Wizard's strategy: post "narrow-interest" videos with words like "d'alembert," "fibonacci" and "unicycle" in the titles and invite comments.

BBB and JB's strategy: Don't post at all.

Nathan's strategy: Flame out and get banned.
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August 13th, 2020 at 1:44:12 PM permalink
Well price hit $4 so I grabbed another thousand shares.

Up to 11000 shares at $4.14 average
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August 13th, 2020 at 3:29:01 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I actually felt sorry for DarkOz watching billryan attack him on this thread. No one deserves that.

Strategies for minimizing billryan attacks
My emerging strategy: just limit my posts to mathematics - not coronavirus mathematics, but real mathematics - and billryan doesn't attack.

Wizard's strategy: post "narrow-interest" videos with words like "d'alembert," "fibonacci" and "unicycle" in the titles and invite comments.

BBB and JB's strategy: Don't post at all.

Nathan's strategy: Flame out and get banned.



Don't post ridiculous statements like Arizona had five deaths in a timespan that they actually had well over two hundred, or nonsense like East Tennessee having zero cases when it wasn't true, and no one will attack your statements.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. No one is entitled to make up their own facts.
More deaths for Corona yesterday than since May, but keep downplaying it.
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August 14th, 2020 at 2:43:44 AM permalink
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I actually felt sorry for DarkOz watching billryan attack him on this thread. .

I don't understand why he's being attacked/ picked on regarding this stock pick when there are so many other things available for us to pick on him about. 😊
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August 14th, 2020 at 3:41:07 AM permalink
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I don't understand why he's being attacked/ picked on regarding this stock pick when there are so many other things available for us to pick on him about. 😊



I even pick on myself sometimes.

Especially my nose!

(Give that some thought)
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August 14th, 2020 at 1:06:14 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I even pick on myself sometimes.

Especially my nose!

(Give that some thought)

Just remember, Dark:

You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose...

But you can't wipe your friends on the couch! ;)

BTW, you can add me to the CYDY bandwagon. Bought a few shares @ 3.75 today.
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August 14th, 2020 at 1:20:00 PM permalink
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11000 shares at $4.14 average




CYDY reminds me of HEB (Hemipherx Biopharma) - they've been trying to repackage a drug called "ampligen" to cure CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) for years. Unfortunately, there's no proof that ampligen works or that CFS exists to begin with. However, due to varying degrees of hype HEB's stock has fluctuated quite well over the years, as pump and dumpers win and lose good sums chasing it. Somehow even with an -9.86 EPS after all these years (founded 1990) unable to turn a profit, the company keeps onn truckin'!

HEB managed to make it onto the NYSE though.
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August 14th, 2020 at 1:37:13 PM permalink
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CYDY reminds me of HEB (Hemipherx Biopharma) - they've been trying to repackage a drug called "ampligen" to cure CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) for years. Unfortunately, there's no proof that ampligen works or that CFS exists to begin with. However, due to varying degrees of hype HEB's stock has fluctuated quite well over the years, as pump and dumpers win and lose good sums chasing it. Somehow even with an -9.86 EPS after all these years (founded 1990) unable to turn a profit, the company keeps onn truckin'!

HEB managed to make it onto the NYSE though.



Anybody who cries about losing a twenty five cents a share isn't cut out for investing.

I'm not concerned. There was no bad news Released. In fact this week had quite a bit of good news.

The drop is due to coordinated shorting.

Once the science is approved (FDA approval) this baby is flying
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August 14th, 2020 at 1:37:48 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman

Just remember, Dark:

You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose...

But you can't wipe your friends on the couch! ;)

BTW, you can add me to the CYDY bandwagon. Bought a few shares @ 3.75 today.



Welcome Joeman.

Enjoy the ride
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August 14th, 2020 at 2:35:14 PM permalink
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The drop is due to coordinated shorting.



It is almost impossible to short pink sheet stocks. It can be done but very unlikely this is the cause.
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August 14th, 2020 at 2:58:47 PM permalink
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It is almost impossible to short pink sheet stocks. It can be done but very unlikely this is the cause.



I'm sorry to disagree with you DRich but my research leads me to exactly the opposite conclusion.

More importantly Cytodyn specifically was targeted on June 30th by a coordinated short attack.

There are quite a few articles on it.

Including an interview with some of the actual shorters

https://emerginggrowth.com/misleading-headline-on-cydodyn-cydy-triggers-algo-selling/
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August 14th, 2020 at 3:16:37 PM permalink
Shorting a stock does absolutely nothing to its price. To short a stock, one borrows the shares, and then hopes to buy them back later at a lower price.

What Dark is referring to are systematic attempts to convince people to sell the stock - only when there are more sellers than buyers and sellers drop their ask prices in an attempt to find buyers will a stock's price drop. With the stock I mentioned, HEB, there is an outfit called Asensio & Company that first enters a short position with a stock like HEB, then tries systematically to ridicule anything to do with the company through press releases. Bill Ackman was known for trying the same (unsuccessfully) with HLF (Herbalife). There is a similar outfit that tries to put TSLA down while short - Jim Chanos. Sometimes the press releases of these short selling outfits convince people to sell, sometimes not. Sometimes just the word that a famous short seller is now short in a given stock will lead to a stampede of selling, and other times such news is ignored.

Having lots of people short just means that many people think the price will go down. Something like 20% of the TSLA float is short and those guys are losing billions and billions of dollars as the stock price rockets, which tells you right there that being short guarantees nothing. In fact, when the short sellers panic and are "squeezed" as the price goes up, and buy to cover, that desperate buying activity actually raises the price of the stock.

The danger with penny stocks with small floats like CYDY is that even a modest amount of selling will drive the price down. Of course, what DarkOz is hoping for, is a frenzied buying but I don't see much evidence that the general public is even aware of the existence of leronlimab or CYDY. For now, it would seem that the buying and selling of CYDY is within a pretty small closed universe.
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August 14th, 2020 at 3:27:31 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I'm sorry to disagree with you DRich but my research leads me to exactly the opposite conclusion.

More importantly Cytodyn specifically was targeted on June 30th by a coordinated short attack.

There are quite a few articles on it.

Including an interview with some of the actual shorters

https://emerginggrowth.com/misleading-headline-on-cydodyn-cydy-triggers-algo-selling/



Does your research consist of anything other than parroting what the company releases in press releases? What science are you using?
Trump says something about using an hiv drug and you assume it is this drug. The government is sinking billions into over thirty different drugs they find promising. Has your company gotten a dime? Might there be a reason for this?
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August 14th, 2020 at 4:03:50 PM permalink
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Does your research consist of anything other than parroting what the company releases in press releases? What science are you using?
Trump says something about using an hiv drug and you assume it is this drug. The government is sinking billions into over thirty different drugs they find promising. Has your company gotten a dime? Might there be a reason for this?



Bill, Bill, Bill

There is nothing wrong with asking questions concerning the science.

THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH IGNORING THE ANSWERS ONCE THEY ARE SUPPLIED.

I gave an entire page of videos and links to established doctors which I know you saw because you commented on it.

So since you like repeating (parroting) the same question I will do the same to you. And note that I keep answering your questions while you ignore my answers.

So, Bill, do you believe Dr. Bruce Patterson of Stamford University is lying when he says Leronlimab is so promising?

Do you believe Dr. Otto Yang of UCLA is lying?

Do you believe Montefiore hospital has not conducted a clinical trial on Leronlimab? (Soopoo says he knows someone involved who said the drug was promising. Are you calling Soopoo a liar too?)

Do you believe the FDA has been holding five years of clinical trials on a fraud?

This time I expect you to answer rather than ignore the questions and parrot your accusations.

I have supplied ample links to medical professionals and their beliefs in Leronlimab.

What are you presenting?
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August 14th, 2020 at 4:28:05 PM permalink
The CEO and other key employees are dumping stock.
The company has a distribution deal with the latest reincarnation of a very shady company.
It's flooding the zone with press releases hyping its products with next to no science to support it.
I don't know if you don't understand how drugs are brought to market or if you have darker motives, but clinical trials are a dime a dozen and most don't lead to anything earth-shaking.
Montefiore hospital is not exactly a top tier national hospital, is it?
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August 14th, 2020 at 4:37:51 PM permalink
The CEO and other key employees are dumping stock.
The company has a distribution deal with the latest reincarnation of a very shady company.
It's flooding the zone with press releases hyping its products with next to no science to support it.
I don't know if you don't understand how drugs are brought to market or if you have darker motives, but clinical trials are a dime a dozen and most don't lead to anything earth-shaking.
Montefiore hospital is not exactly a top tier national research hospital, is it? It's a teaching hospital with an outstanding Children's Department.
It is now almost four months since you promised amazing results in the next few weeks. In June, the press releases were promising big news. In July, it was going to be the month when everything came together. Now it's August and insiders are still selling.

Without getting political, for every Doctor who sings its praises, I can find a dozen who did that for hydroxy, and how did that turn out?
How many hundred million doses did the taxpayers spring for?
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August 14th, 2020 at 4:56:11 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

The CEO and other key employees are dumping stock.
The company has a distribution deal with the latest reincarnation of a very shady company.
It's flooding the zone with press releases hyping its products with next to no science to support it.
I don't know if you don't understand how drugs are brought to market or if you have darker motives, but clinical trials are a dime a dozen and most don't lead to anything earth-shaking.
Montefiore hospital is not exactly a top tier national research hospital, is it? It's a teaching hospital with an outstanding Children's Department.
It is now almost four months since you promised amazing results in the next few weeks. In June, the press releases were promising big news. In July, it was going to be the month when everything came together. Now it's August and insiders are still selling.

Without getting political, for every Doctor who sings its praises, I can find a dozen who did that for hydroxy, and how did that turn out?
How many hundred million doses did the taxpayers spring for?



You asked me for the science.

If you choose to believe top tier doctors from Stamford and UCLA and Montefiore Hospitals are not to believed

And you discredit Montefiore hospital as being a credible location for a clinical trial

And I suppose you also believe Baylor the biggest hospital in Houston is not credible

https://www.trialsitenews.com/baylor-university-medical-center-investigates-safety-efficacy-of-leronlimab-in-severe-to-critical-covid-19-patients/

As well as UCLA is not a credible location for a trial

https://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?action=detail&id=3600&ref=1380

And you believe Novant health is not a credible location for a trial to be conducted

https://www.novanthealth.org/home/services/clinical-research/coronavirus-clinical-trials.aspx

And you believe trials are a dime a dozen so the FDA approval for clinical trials is not to be considered credible

Then there really is no point in further discussion.

I have presented a myriad number of sources that are independent of Cytodyn which address the science as real.

The only way to refute that appears for you to ignore them as credible.

If you refuse to believe all those sources then there really is no changing your mind
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August 14th, 2020 at 5:03:05 PM permalink
Science doesn't work on opinion. Dr Yang is a top Doctor and had a few nice words on the preliminary results of a very small trial.
You seem to think having a trial is a huge milestone. It isn't.
How many trials did the FDA approve in 2019? 2018?
Having a clinical trial does not mean it is successful.
In case you don't know, Doctors can get paid upwards of $100,000 for participating in these trials so when you say the Doctors have no ties to the company, they are all cashing checks from them.
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August 14th, 2020 at 5:12:16 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Science doesn't work on opinion. Dr Yang is a top Doctor and had a few nice words on the preliminary results of a very small trial.
You seem to think having a trial is a huge milestone. It isn't.
How many trials did the FDA approve in 2019? 2018?
Having a clinical trial does not mean it is successful.
In case you don't know, Doctors can get paid upwards of $100,000 for participating in these trials so when you say the Doctors have no ties to the company, they are all cashing checks from them.



Like I said if you believe award winning doctors are going to lie for a payment then there is no further science I can provide.

I have also provided testimonials of patients who took Leronlimab.

It appears you only want to believe one person and that is yourself
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August 14th, 2020 at 5:37:51 PM permalink
Has Dr.Yang called this a cure? Has any Doctor called it a cure? This drug is barely off the ground and has a skyscrapers worth of obstacles to overcome before it can be given out.
Do doctors say nice things about products that they are being paid to study? All the time.
You've said this is the very first investment you ever made, and when asked why you are so bullish on it, you keep bringing up company written press releases and pointing out that there are clinical trials being conducted. You can say the same thing about several hundred drugs, if not several thousand.
There are tens of thousands of sharp investors looking to buy into the next big thing, yet insiders in your company are selling. Perhaps you didn't realize what a huge red flag that is, but you've been told what it means several times and you just keep going back to anyone who doesn't think this is anything special is calling Doctors liars.
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August 14th, 2020 at 6:16:25 PM permalink
Here is the originating post of this thread from April 14.. I snipped some sections out- it was very long, with videos. I alkso bolded one statement that was not originally bolded.

I have to agree with bill that the promise of this drug that Darkoz described in this post has not been realized. For example, I see no evidence that on April 14 "the company (Cytodyn) is already ramping up production, prepping and writing contracts with manufacturers to get hundreds of thousands of doses to market. They are simply awaiting trial results and final FDA approval."

Darkoz also said in his first post that he had no financial interest in this drug -but he either had already bought stock or bought stock almost immediately after posting this.

Quote: darkoz

This is IMHO the most important Coronavirus thread created. Because this is what is the game changer, again imo.

This is specifically about the drug Leronlimab. Take discussion of other seemingly less successful drugs like hydroxychloriquine and remdesvir to other threads

Once the ramifications of contracting Covid-19 is you go to the hospital, get two simultaneous injections and go home safe from the virus (returning for one more similar treatment seven days later) then we will be able to reopen without fear.

And yes, the description of the treatment is what I described above. 2 visits of 2 injections apiece.

I have been following this drug for 3 weeks now. You should too. It makes me confident we are going to solve this problem soon. I hope you read this entire post and gain the same confidence I am about this drug (I have no financial interest aside from wanting this pandemic over so I can return to work)

Everyone should be talking about this drug. For some reason the media, the government (this forum) is ignoring Leronlimab

[SNIP]

WHERE ARE WE NOW?

Due to these incredibly promising results the FDA has given fast track status to 2 different trials

Trial 2A is for mild patients with 75 currently enrolled to see if treatment will help eliminate any need for hospitalization in the future.

Trial 2B/3 is 390 enrolled double blind controlled placebo (2:1 so 260 will receive Leronlimab while 130 receive a placebo) test being performed across multiple states and territories to see true data efficacy of the drug. Expect results in weeks because this drug works fast and safe.

MANUFACTURING

Due to the great results so far the company (Cytodyn) is already ramping up production, prepping and writing contracts with manufacturers to get hundreds of thousands of doses to market. They are simply awaiting trial results and final FDA approval.

[SNIP]

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August 14th, 2020 at 7:29:37 PM permalink
I actually don't think that DarkOz (despite the "dark"ness of his name) has dark motives here. I accept that he genuinely believes that this drug is a game changer and he has put his money where his mouth is.

However, I also have to say that he's naive about the way the stock market works and how easily people (especially insiders) are able to manipulate small float penny stocks like this one, and - I must say - that until/unless this company hits a home run, its ups and downs will be more due to hype than anything genuine.
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August 14th, 2020 at 7:57:14 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Here is the originating post of this thread from April 14.. I snipped some sections out- it was very long, with videos. I alkso bolded one statement that was not originally bolded.

I have to agree with bill that the promise of this drug that Darkoz described in this post has not been realized. For example, I see no evidence that on April 14 "the company (Cytodyn) is already ramping up production, prepping and writing contracts with manufacturers to get hundreds of thousands of doses to market. They are simply awaiting trial results and final FDA approval."

Darkoz also said in his first post that he had no financial interest in this drug -but he either had already bought stock or bought stock almost immediately after posting this.

Quote: darkoz

This is IMHO the most important Coronavirus thread created. Because this is what is the game changer, again imo.

This is specifically about the drug Leronlimab. Take discussion of other seemingly less successful drugs like hydroxychloriquine and remdesvir to other threads

Once the ramifications of contracting Covid-19 is you go to the hospital, get two simultaneous injections and go home safe from the virus (returning for one more similar treatment seven days later) then we will be able to reopen without fear.

And yes, the description of the treatment is what I described above. 2 visits of 2 injections apiece.

I have been following this drug for 3 weeks now. You should too. It makes me confident we are going to solve this problem soon. I hope you read this entire post and gain the same confidence I am about this drug (I have no financial interest aside from wanting this pandemic over so I can return to work)

Everyone should be talking about this drug. For some reason the media, the government (this forum) is ignoring Leronlimab

[SNIP]

WHERE ARE WE NOW?

Due to these incredibly promising results the FDA has given fast track status to 2 different trials

Trial 2A is for mild patients with 75 currently enrolled to see if treatment will help eliminate any need for hospitalization in the future.

Trial 2B/3 is 390 enrolled double blind controlled placebo (2:1 so 260 will receive Leronlimab while 130 receive a placebo) test being performed across multiple states and territories to see true data efficacy of the drug. Expect results in weeks because this drug works fast and safe.

MANUFACTURING

Due to the great results so far the company (Cytodyn) is already ramping up production, prepping and writing contracts with manufacturers to get hundreds of thousands of doses to market. They are simply awaiting trial results and final FDA approval.

[SNIP]



Gordon let me answer the two concerns you mentioned.

1) I Invested in Cytodyn first week of May. I just believed so much in it (and was sitting at home due to the shutdown) it just made sense that I had to be a part of this financially.

2). You say you don't see any evidence of my claim that contracts with manufacturers was being ramped up for production but I have to ask if you even looked?

That's because it took me one second Google search to find the relevant articles

1) American Regent signed

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/07/03/2057591/0/en/CytoDyn-Announces-Execution-of-Exclusive-Agreement-with-American-Regent-for-Distribution-and-Supply-of-Leronlimab-for-Treatment-of-COVID-19-in-United-States.html

2) Ajinomoto signed

https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2020/05/05/Ajinomoto-to-supply-COVID-19-treatment-for-CytoDyn

3) AGC signed

https://www.agc.com/en/news/detail/1200761_2814.html

4 ) Samsung Biologics signed

https://bioprocessintl.com/bioprocess-insider/deal-making/samsung-bio-to-make-1bn-worth-of-cytodyns-hiv-antibody/

It's just frustrating when people say they see no evidence of something that is easily looked up on the internet. I mean in order to see evidence you have to be willing to look. Come on!
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August 14th, 2020 at 9:29:12 PM permalink
Have you read #4? Estimated cost per patient is $119,000.

This company was dead in the water, with its stock being worth a nickel when a man with a doctorate in Mechanical Drawing and no pharma experience was able to wrangle control of it. He convinced a few private investors to pony up 12 million dollars and replaced the board of directors that was heavily pharma oriented with people associated with the private investors. They then announced plans to research, develop, and market a drug that had an estimated annual market in the 20 million dollar range. Because of its limited market, they were able to fast track it under the FDAs "Orphan drug" program where they claim a drug has limited potential and isn't worth the money to go through the usual process. Then they tried to tie this drug in with every disease under the sun, and proclaimed it had a potential cap of between 2.5 billion and 9 billion, despite not having produced a single dose for commercial use. In line with their 9 billion dollar potential cap, they make a splashy deal with the infamous Martin Shkreli's Turing Pharma under its newest name. The deal sounds great, $8.75 billion dollar contract, only it's worthless until the FDA approves the drug for that particular use.
Suddenly Corona virus hits, the company makes some incredulous claims without any evidence, the stock soars and insiders start dumping shares.

If any of this is wrong, please correct me.
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August 14th, 2020 at 9:44:20 PM permalink
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Have you read #4? Estimated cost per patient is $119,000.

This company was dead in the water, with its stock being worth a nickel when a man with a doctorate in Mechanical Drawing and no pharma experience was able to wrangle control of it. He convinced a few private investors to pony up 12 million dollars and replaced the board of directors that was heavily pharma oriented with people associated with the private investors. They then announced plans to research, develop, and market a drug that had an estimated annual market in the 20 million dollar range. Because of its limited market, they were able to fast track it under the FDAs "Orphan drug" program where they claim a drug has limited potential and isn't worth the money to go through the usual process. Then they tried to tie this drug in with every disease under the sun, and proclaimed it had a potential cap of between 2.5 billion and 9 billion, despite not having produced a single dose for commercial use. In line with their 9 billion dollar potential cap, they make a splashy deal with the infamous Martin Shkreli's Turing Pharma under its newest name. The deal sounds great, $8.75 billion dollar contract, only it's worthless until the FDA approves the drug for that particular use.
Suddenly Corona virus hits, the company makes some incredulous claims without any evidence, the stock soars and insiders start dumping shares.

If any of this is wrong, please correct me.



What's the point of correcting you when you are so determined to discredit the evidence I give.

For example the $115,000 per year is for continuing HIV treatment as the drug has to be administered every week.

Covid-19 treatment would be two times so $3,000 total. But of course you don't want to mention that part because it doesn't fit your argument.

"Incredulous claims without any evidence". Again a statement that has been shown wrong as I have posted numerous videos of patients testimonials, doctor testimonials, etc.

It seems you are determined to see the evidence only one way even when what you see is wrong
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August 14th, 2020 at 10:41:28 PM permalink
Pulling for you oz, really!
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August 14th, 2020 at 10:52:51 PM permalink
DarkOz, you should invest 10k a week,1/2 your earnings.
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August 14th, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

What's the point of correcting you when you are so determined to discredit the evidence I give.

For example the $115,000 per year is for continuing HIV treatment as the drug has to be administered every week.

Covid-19 treatment would be two times so $3,000 total. But of course you don't want to mention that part because it doesn't fit your argument.

"Incredulous claims without any evidence". Again a statement that has been shown wrong as I have posted numerous videos of patients testimonials, doctor testimonials, etc.

It seems you are determined to see the evidence only one way even when what you see is wrong



You posted the link in support of your miracle drug. The contract is for HIV treatment. There is no Corona contract nor can you say it will be twice a day as it is still in the preliminary trials. Every layer you peel on this looks shadier and shadier. This was a company in desperate search of something it could do with this drug that they've been pushing for almost seven years now and they stumbled into the corona virus. The board has so much faith that they celebrate by selling large chunks of stock. Picture that- they have a board meeting, decide they have the veritable keys to the bank with the cure for corona and they decide to sell their stocks.
Patient testimonials and Doctors are worthless. Go on youtube and watch the many hydroxy testimonials from Doctors and lay people.
Is it safe and does it work? Show me that evidence. This is why the FDA has rigid requirements and doesn't just take the word of any Doctor.
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August 15th, 2020 at 4:00:20 AM permalink
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You posted the link in support of your miracle drug. The contract is for HIV treatment. There is no Corona contract nor can you say it will be twice a day as it is still in the preliminary trials. Every layer you peel on this looks shadier and shadier. This was a company in desperate search of something it could do with this drug that they've been pushing for almost seven years now and they stumbled into the corona virus. The board has so much faith that they celebrate by selling large chunks of stock. Picture that- they have a board meeting, decide they have the veritable keys to the bank with the cure for corona and they decide to sell their stocks.
Patient testimonials and Doctors are worthless. Go on youtube and watch the many hydroxy testimonials from Doctors and lay people.
Is it safe and does it work? Show me that evidence. This is why the FDA has rigid requirements and doesn't just take the word of any Doctor.



I posted four links. Three for Coronavirus and one for HIV proving the drug is being manufactured. (And it doesn't even matter if the contract was for HIV plenty of drugs not intended for Coronavirus are being switched over so your statement seems again just an overzealous attempt to push an agenda of your own)

Bill, this is beginning to seem like trolling.

I have posted safety and efficacy stats as well as doctor and patients testimonials including links that prove these doctors legitimately work at places like UCLA, Stamford and Yale.

You then claim these doctors cannot be trusted and then discredit the patients and of course the company and ask for more proof. YOU EVEN WENT OUT OF YOUR WAY TO DISCREDIT THE INSTITUTION DOING THE TRIALS LIKE MONTEFIORE!

Logic dictates that the proof this works (a New drug undergoing trials) is going to come from the doctors and patients, clinical research facilities and cytodyn itself until such time it's approved by the FDA.

So if you won't listen to any of those this is appearing more and more like some type of trollbait

So, who are you interested in hearing from Bill that would satisfy you this is real?
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August 15th, 2020 at 5:20:18 AM permalink
Bill. Darkoz. Neither of you will convince the other of anything. You are both too entrenched in your opinions. I see merits in BOTH of your arguments. Time will tell who is ultimately right. My guess is that there is a decent chance Leronlimab is useful. Kind of like Remdesivir. Not the ‘game changer’ by itself, But an incremental step in lessening the bad outcomes from this disease. And therefore MAY be a financial success for the company.
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August 15th, 2020 at 6:14:10 AM permalink
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I posted four links. Three for Coronavirus and one for HIV proving the drug is being manufactured. (And it doesn't even matter if the contract was for HIV plenty of drugs not intended for Coronavirus are being switched over so your statement seems again just an overzealous attempt to push an agenda of your own)

Bill, this is beginning to seem like trolling.

I have posted safety and efficacy stats as well as doctor and patients testimonials including links that prove these doctors legitimately work at places like UCLA, Stamford and Yale.

You then claim these doctors cannot be trusted and then discredit the patients and of course the company and ask for more proof. YOU EVEN WENT OUT OF YOUR WAY TO DISCREDIT THE INSTITUTION DOING THE TRIALS LIKE MONTEFIORE!

Logic dictates that the proof this works (a New drug undergoing trials) is going to come from the doctors and patients, clinical research facilities and cytodyn itself until such time it's approved by the FDA.

So if you won't listen to any of those this is appearing more and more like some type of trollbait





So, who are you interested in hearing from Bill that would satisfy you this is real? [/q



You can't be this clueless, so I have to wonder about your motives.
Pointing out that Montefiore is not a world-class hospital is a fact, not an attempt to discredit it.
Logic doesn't dictate that people take testimony from alleged patients as proof something works. If it did, we'd all be taking hydroxy since the Demon Sperm doctor claims she has cured hundreds of elderly corona victims.

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August 15th, 2020 at 6:46:18 AM permalink
If this drug is so great why is the stock trading at less than half of its recent high?

Shouldn't it be soaring?
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August 15th, 2020 at 8:33:17 AM permalink
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If this drug is so great why is the stock trading at less than half of its recent high?

Shouldn't it be soaring?



The more interesting question, to me, is why are the insiders selling? The current board spent twelve million dollars and has stock worth billions and billions if this were to work, yet they are selling?
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August 15th, 2020 at 8:39:44 AM permalink
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If this drug is so great why is the stock trading at less than half of its recent high?

Shouldn't it be soaring?



The stock is being short attacked in an attempt tk drive the price down (most likely so they can cover before they are on the hook)

Being a small biotech on the OTC has left them vulnerable to manipulation from OUTSIDE SOURCES
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August 15th, 2020 at 2:09:35 PM permalink
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The stock is being short attacked in an attempt tk drive the price down (most likely so they can cover before they are on the hook)

Being a small biotech on the OTC has left them vulnerable to manipulation from OUTSIDE SOURCES



...like Russia?
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August 15th, 2020 at 2:15:31 PM permalink
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Well price hit $4 so I grabbed another thousand shares.

Up to 11000 shares at $4.14 average

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August 15th, 2020 at 2:22:51 PM permalink
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...like Russia?



Not political outside sources.

People trying to control the price who don't work for the company.

Mostly short sellers
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August 15th, 2020 at 2:26:19 PM permalink
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Dollar Cost Averaging : The investor's Martingale :o)



I did that when I was getting started. I'd bought 100 shares of a company for $5 each and it quickly went down to $1. I then bought another $500 worth so I had 600 shares at roughly $1.60 a share. My plan was to sell when it hit $1.50 and take a small loss. Need I finish the story?
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August 15th, 2020 at 2:28:12 PM permalink
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The stock is being short attacked in an attempt tk drive the price down (most likely so they can cover before they are on the hook)

Being a small biotech on the OTC has left them vulnerable to manipulation from OUTSIDE SOURCES



OR INSIDE SOURCES???????
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August 15th, 2020 at 2:41:49 PM permalink
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OR INSIDE SOURCES???????



NOPE!!!!
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August 15th, 2020 at 2:45:42 PM permalink
There is nothing wrong with dollar cost averaging on stocks. It is misguided to call it "The Investor's Martingale."

But...the dollar cost averaging has to be done on the RIGHT stocks at the right TIME. A stock like CYDY there is not enough history with it to determine where it has support, or where it might be headed. Charting it doesn't really tell you much. There is no ongoing history of the stock's hitting new ATHs (all time highs). The stocks I hold long term and of which I trade additional shares - stocks like AMZN, TSLA, GOOGL, CMG, etc. - regularly hit new ATHs and have a tendency to go up over time. These are industry leaders and the Nasdaq equivalent of blue chips (CMG is actually NYSE, but same idea). Buying these, for trading, on dips makes sense all the way around - both technically and fundamentally - and the proof is that I've never lost money trading these long. At worst, I've gotten stuck temporarily, averaged in more shares, and done fine. And in all cases, given the tendency to new ATHs, I didn't even NEED to average in, I would have been fine regardless, just made my trading money faster by averaging in.

In any case, if you're going to buy, say, 100 shares of a stock and that is your intent, you should never buy all 100 shares at once - you should ALWAYS buy it a piece (lot) at a time, which means that you should be cost averaging not sometimes, but always.


DarkOz keeps repeating the same thing about how short sellers are manipulating the CYDY price. I already explained in detail how shorting works, and how he is misguided on that and yet he keeps saying the same thing. Guys - we're not going to get anywhere pointing out to him how the stock market works or why this CYDY is moving solely due to hype at this point. If and when CYDY actually does something it might go up for real.
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August 15th, 2020 at 4:00:02 PM permalink
A couple of questions from an inexperienced stock investor (my stocks are in my pension and mutual funds):

Isn't "short interest" a published statistic?

Doesn't a big short interest push a stock price up because the shorted stock must be borrowed?

I always thought that insider selling is not as important as insider buying because sellers may need their money to make up for low salaries?

Is there a record of when these insiders bought and sold or were they given promotional shares in lieu of pay during the start up phase?
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August 15th, 2020 at 4:15:49 PM permalink
In this case, the stock was under five cents a share when somebody who owned 750,000 shares convinced a few private investors to pony up $12 million to take a controlling interest in the company.
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August 15th, 2020 at 4:26:00 PM permalink
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In this case, the stock was under five cents a share when somebody who owned 750,000 shares convinced a few private investors to pony up $12 million to take a controlling interest in the company.



So now they're taking a profit?
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August 15th, 2020 at 4:39:20 PM permalink
I live and breath stocks. I have a series 65 license but more for "fun" than anything else - for the most part, I advise only friends and family. My experience with stocks is first hand since I was a pup, both following what my family would invest in, and later doing it for myself.

The only thing that affects a stock's price is a completed transaction - an ask to offer shares at a certain price that is matched with a bid to buy shares. In theory, there could be nothing but sellers and no buyers and the stock's price wouldn't move a bit, so it is not accurate to say that "supply and demand" is entirely what governs stock prices - while yes, more sellers than buyers IS what drives a stock's price down, there have to be willing buyers to match with the sellers or else nothing happens in the way of dropping prices.

Shorting - borrowing shares - is not a completed transaction and does nothing to affect the stock price. It is merely a speculative move to borrow shares, which sometimes costs money (fee to borrow the shares), hoping that the price will drop, at which point the buying to cover may actually raise the price of the stock if there is enough buying to cover going on. This is why some people say that even on a day when a stock has been plummeting that if enough people are short their "short covering" at the end of the day might raise the price of the stock some.

Yes the short interest in a stock float is public knowledge.

One way to stop shorting is to place an order to sell on your held long stocks. Stocks that have a sell order in place on them may not be lent out to shorts. So if Dark wants to stop shorting of CYDY at least to the tune of his 11K or however many shares he has, he could enter a GTC (good for 60 days) order to sell the stock at some high price, like say $10. per share, and leave the order in place, not so much even intending to sell at $10., but just to stop anyone from using his shares to enter a short position. If the stock rises he could keep raising his GTC, again solely to keep it out of the greedy rookers of the shorts.
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