When will casinos open?
Until it's their own families and loved ones!
Then suddenly health conditions become prevalent.
I am first to admit this failing.
I was saying how much I was willing to lay lives on the line, cursing the closure of casinos and then a close friend passed away from Coronavirus
I'm in a different place now. The safety of everyone comes first.
It's sad the general public will have to go through that catharsis first to appreciate the situation. But that lesson is taught many times thru history
Quote: darkozAs with most situations involving mass death versus economy everyone wants to put their economic situation first while others die...
Until it's their own families and loved ones!
Then suddenly health conditions become prevalent.
I am first to admit this failing.
I was saying how much I was willing to lay lives on the line, cursing the closure of casinos and then a close friend passed away from Coronavirus
I'm in a different place now. The safety of everyone comes first.
It's sad the general public will have to go through that catharsis first to appreciate the situation. But that lesson is taught many times thru history
I am sorry for your loss but you are mixing apples to oranges.
How many car death are there every year. We don't ban cars. How many people died of the flu last year. It is estimated to be 600,000-800,000. We did not shut down the economy.
"As for safety of everyone comes first," is a noble idea like world peace, but it is impracticable. Everyone deserves a roof over their head so no one should be homeless. But are you willing to grab a homeless person and house them with you.
So where do you draw a line? If one person a day catches the virus, we should be in a lockdown. One a week? Safety of everyone comes first, so the lockdown ends when there are no new cases otherwise you do not care about that one person who catches it.
Quote: AceCrAAckersI am sorry for your loss but you are mixing apples to oranges.
How many car death are there every year. We don't ban cars. How many people died of the flu last year. It is estimated to be 600,000-800,000. We did not shut down the economy.
"As for safety of everyone comes first," is a noble idea like world peace, but it is impracticable. Everyone deserves a roof over their head so no one should be homeless. But are you willing to grab a homeless person and house them with you.
So where do you draw a line? If one person a day catches the virus, we should be in a lockdown. One a week? Safety of everyone comes first, so the lockdown ends when there are no new cases otherwise you do not care about that one person who catches it.
I was homeless for a few years so I am not so scared of the situation. I don't want to go back to that but it doesn't hold the fright it probably does for so many.
I just answered the car question in a different covid thread so won't repeat it here.
Maybe I will but in a different way. Most people were angry as hell that they had to wear seat belts 20 years ago when the first seatbelt laws were put in place. But the safety of others caused the government to force it on people.
Car deaths were much higher back then. So much so the government reacted.
There are plenty of dangers in life from technology. That's where safety protocol is put in place. You fault the gov for seatbelt restrictions? For speed limits? (most cars are capable of 90 or 100 mph, what a waste?)
Until there is a means to keep people from dying from Covid-19 this is the current method to protect people. The government always does measures (well except for disasters like Flint, Michigan) to protect the masses
Just buckle up (pun intended) and go for the ride
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Quote: AceCrAAckersI am sorry for your loss but you are mixing apples to oranges.
How many car death are there every year. We don't ban cars. How many people died of the flu last year. It is estimated to be 600,000-800,000. We did not shut down the economy..
You are also "mixing apples to oranges."
We don't shut down for the flu because it's more or less a known entity. We've been dealing with it for decades. We have no idea what this coronavirus is capable of yet. If we don't shut down it could kill 30 million people in multiple waves if we don't know what we're dealing with. Once we get a handle on it, and have a vaccine, and know how it "works," if it comes back seasonally then we won't have to worry about it as much.
Quote: TigerWuYou are also "mixing apples to oranges."
We don't shut down for the flu because it's more or less a known entity. We've been dealing with it for decades. We have no idea what this coronavirus is capable of yet. If we don't shut down it could kill 30 million people in multiple waves if we don't know what we're dealing with. Once we get a handle on it, and have a vaccine, and know how it "works," if it comes back seasonally then we won't have to worry about it as much.
The real concern is the hospitals and medical infrastructure being overwhelmed. That’s the main reason why we said we have to take it to the next level.
Once the hospitals become overwhelmed, we will see Armageddon. This particular virus is nasty in that it’s highly infectious and it’s hitting the lungs, requiring ventilators on a scale not ever seen.
I’m hopeful we can get the economy going....but fearful that re-opening is going to increase the cases. I suspect massive guidelines (restrictions on liberties) until a vaccine is developed.
There’s going to be a lot of unhappy people....but it’s going to be a “too bad” for them as this historic event has changed our society for at least 12-18 months....and probably forever to some degree.
We need a vaccine before normalcy comes back.
1) Sheriff Brody - everyday man doing a brave job. Overcoming his fears (of the water) to save lives. The hero!
2) Aquatic expert - man of science. Not the Everyman (he is independently rich) but has the smarts that bring respect and honor. Bravery tempered by wisdom.
3) Shark Hunter - raw abrasive Everyman. Annoying but you respect his dedication to the job. Brawn to the experts brain. The man many of us are if we can't be the brains or sheriff.
There is one character we all look upon with ridicule. Even to this day he is vilified. He is the mayor of "shark city" Amityville, who refuses to close the beaches because of the economy. The man who feels if people die that's better than losing the almighty dollar during summer season.
He is the person the audience yells at the screen "Idiot, you don't know what you are doing. You won't be wise until the shark "comes up and bites you on the ass" as the Richard Dreyfuss line goes.
Everyone leaves shaking their heads at the mayor's greed and stupidity. And imagines themselves one of the other three characters
It seems Coronavirus has taught us one thing it's that most Americans are not the three main characters
They are the mayor of shark city, willing to let others die for the greed of the almighty dollar
Trust me, it will swim up eventually and bite them on the ass
Quote: darkozThey are the mayor of shark city, willing to let others die for the greed of the almighty dollar.
Trust me, it will swim up eventually and bite them on the ass
I don't know D O. This would be a hard point to make to people standing in the unemployment line.
In defense of the mayor of Amity, the film drops a subplot from the book. The reason the mayor is so fanatical about keeping the beaches open is that the New York mob has invested heavily in Amity real estate. Should the beaches close then property values would plummet and God only knows what would happen to the mayor and his family.
To the people in the unemployment line the mob character represents their landlord, or the IRS, or Edison, or the repo-man, or their credit card company etc. They're looking at losing their jobs, businesses, homes, cars, families, their whole worlds.
It's not that you don't make a valid point but the situation isn't so black and white. I haven't been homeless like you, but I have been broke enough on occasion to know that the phrase "money means nothing to me" is a rich man's luxury item, like a Hawaiian vacation home or a Lamborghini.
That's funny! But probably so close to the truth!!
Your post reminds me of a video I saw a few days ago:
The first documentary movie on CCP virus, Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus
[Link Redacted by Mod: OD*]
(Hi OD, hope it's OK to reply to Bobbartop with a link, it's not meant to be a political comment). Just remove this post if it's not allowed and apologies in advance if it's not).
Anyway, Bobbartop, this seems to be the most factual video out there so far that I would think all Americans and British citizens would be interested to view given the disaster we are all now suffering through (and for that matter, I would think anyone in the world would want to get to the bottom of how all of this might have happened).
[Edit by mod: OD: Link was to a conspiracy theory vid Rule 19. No penalty imposed]
Forever stamps will be worthless soon too.
Quote: GialmereI don't know D O. This would be a hard point to make to people standing in the unemployment line.
In defense of the mayor of Amity, the film drops a subplot from the book. The reason the mayor is so fanatical about keeping the beaches open is that the New York mob has invested heavily in Amity real estate. Should the beaches close then property values would plummet and God only knows what would happen to the mayor and his family.
To the people in the unemployment line the mob character represents their landlord, or the IRS, or Edison, or the repo-man, or their credit card company etc. They're looking at losing their jobs, businesses, homes, cars, families, their whole worlds.
It's not that you don't make a valid point but the situation isn't so black and white. I haven't been homeless like you, but I have been broke enough on occasion to know that the phrase "money means nothing to me" is a rich man's luxury item, like a Hawaiian vacation home or a Lamborghini.
I agree
However the mayor of Amityville was unable to prevent the inevitable. Why? Failure to listen to the experts and an unwillingness to let go of the economic reins. Eventually he lost because the danger was real.
The stores of Amityville stood open but no customers were gonna come to that beach anymore. So the economy remaining open didn't matter.
Check out this sad tragedy https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/new-jersey-coronavirus-family-members-killed/index.html
7 sick and 4 dead SAME FAMILY
Once things like that sweep across an (opened) America, that opened economy will be worthless
Even on this forum people are discussing if they feel safe going back to the casinos etc. When death and mayhem shoot skyhigh, that's it baby. Economy over
The world has radically changed since January but it will not end.
Quote: pwcrabbThe survivors of the global pandemic 1918 to 1921 became the celebrants of the Roaring 1920's.
The world has radically changed since January but it will not end.
I wonder if there is any link to the loose morals of the 1920's and the pandemic.
Fifty million dead plus the first world war and I think a lot of people will not be so critical of their morals
Survivors celebrating for a decade
Quote: darkozI wonder if there is any link to the loose morals of the 1920's and the pandemic.
Fifty million dead plus the first world war and I think a lot of people will not be so critical of their morals
Survivors celebrating for a decade
Hard to go back to sharecropping after you've liberated Paris.
Prohibition turned average citizens into criminals and more importantly, showed citizens that breaking the law often has no consequence. Prior to the Great War, crime wasn't tolerated. Prohibition comes along and everybody looks the other way. Instead of the outlaws everybody read about in dime novels, everyone became scofflaws. Picking and choosing which laws to follow.
pure utter nonsense.Quote: jjjooogggWe are two years after the 100th aniversary of the 1918 pandemic. Alex Jones said several years ago on air that the 1918 pandemic was engineered in a low tech way using soldiers.
Think of the various Highland Regiments, everyone hale and hearty and taking high roads sheep herding hunting fishing.
YET for centuries their are records showing when the regiments were mobilized, men sickened with new pathogens.
Just look at the USA WWone and WWtwo records. The 12 mountain division ordered all soldiers not presently in hospital to leave barracks and live in the open air with forced marches in full battle kit every day rather than exchange pathogens in mess halls or barracks.
The Lost Generation of WWone depleted males and fueled Absinthe use in Paris.
The Prohibition Era was the result of a Canadian family's decades long campaign to turn the brewing and distilling
industry into a fabulously profitable oligopoly from a barrier-free business of thousands of brewers and distillers.
Quote: rxwineFor a document, you could use a special edition dollar bill. No document will have a better anti-counterfeiting option. Print "Not for legal tender" on both sides in big letters. If you get one you have proof of vaccination.
We do special edition coins, so I see no reason for bills being excluded.
You don't even need to make a database once you have these. You might need to print a few more unusual things on them making them unique, like unique serial number, image.
If it gets stolen, you'll just have to go get vaccinated again and then be more careful.
And the great part is a family of five could get by with just one vaccination. Just use the voucher 1 at a time.
The day comes and two Hispanics who look like they are 15 show up. I was dubious so I asked for their certifications. Turned out one of them was a Polish immigrant named Stanlius Ruchalski and the other was from Kenya.
How long before these vaccination certificates are available on eBay?
Quote: ChumpChange2025 is when the casinos will open.
Casinos will be open later this year.
Quote: billryanI am currently doing extensive research on Civil War Artillery units. One unit I finished off about a week ago had zero combat deaths, but 26 die from disease. Of the almost 600,000 Americans who died in the conflict, about half were killed in combat, the rest died of illnesses.
The Wiki page on this is interesting. Up until WWII, the vast majority of wartime deaths for the US military in major conflicts were non-combat related (accidents, disease, etc.). From WWII and after, the majority of deaths were from combat. Here's a few facts I thought were pretty interesting:
Only 8,000 people died in combat in the Revolutionary War.
Twice as many Union soldiers as Confederate soldiers were killed in combat in the Civil War.
The Iraq War is the seventh deadliest war for US combat deaths, beating out the War in Afghanistan and the War of 1812, and coming in right behind the Revolutionary War.
More soldiers died in combat in WWII than the Civil War.
The deaths per day stuff is interesting, too:
On average, 520 soldiers died per day during the Civil War.
Four times as many soldiers died per day in the Korean War vs. the Vietnam War.
The Vietnam War and the Revolutionary war had the same average number of soldier deaths per day: 11.
Quote: darkoz
Check out this sad tragedy https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/new-jersey-coronavirus-family-members-killed/index.html
7 sick and 4 dead SAME FAMILY
I don't know how to put this any more politely but that entire family is very obese. That had to have been a driving factor in their deaths.
Of course different countries won't be able to follow exactly in their foot steps due to many many factors, but it's worth taking a lesson from their fast, accurate and serious approach. They didn't even have to lockdown nationwide.
If everyone has the vaccine available to them, and the only people that don’t get the vaccine are those competent adults that choose not to and instead buy a fake certificate, then oh well. They are risking their own health, and the fines and other penalties that may be imposed by a government if caught.Quote: billryanIn the 1990s, I bought a building that had an asbestos problem. I hired a company that told me all their workers were fully certified in asbestos removal.
The day comes and two Hispanics who look like they are 15 show up. I was dubious so I asked for their certifications. Turned out one of them was a Polish immigrant named Stanlius Ruchalski and the other was from Kenya.
How long before these vaccination certificates are available on eBay?
Quote: darkozI agree
However the mayor of Amityville was unable to prevent the inevitable. Why? Failure to listen to the experts and an unwillingness to let go of the economic reins. Eventually he lost because the danger was real.
The stores of Amityville stood open but no customers were gonna come to that beach anymore. So the economy remaining open didn't matter.
Check out this sad tragedy https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/new-jersey-coronavirus-family-members-killed/index.html
7 sick and 4 dead SAME FAMILY
Once things like that sweep across an (opened) America, that opened economy will be worthless
Even on this forum people are discussing if they feel safe going back to the casinos etc. When death and mayhem shoot skyhigh, that's it baby. Economy over
You may choose to focus on this family, but for every family like this there must be a million families that this didn't happen to. I suspect this family probably didn't practice good social distancing and social quarantining. They had 4 deaths as the outcome of 7 cases in their family, probably because they are all obese. We have learned that obesity is a significant comorbidity to covid-19. This family was not a typical American family and, IMO, the outcomes they had should not be projected onto the rest of the United States.
Quote: unJonIf everyone has the vaccine available to them, and the only people that don’t get the vaccine are those competent adults that choose not to and instead buy a fake certificate, then oh well. They are risking their own health, and the fines and other penalties that may be imposed by a government if caught.
Considering this virus is hammering the lungs and causing a huge surge in hospital beds, ventilators, doctors and nurses....they are not only risking their own health but OUR health infrastructure. Those who had the vaccine also may need a colonoscopy, heart surgery and many many other reasons to be in the hospital thru no fault (directly) of their own.
The selfish are now also imperiling them if their surgery cannot be done because someone is in the bed.
If it was as simple as “you wanna be a dumbsky and not get the vaccine”....so be it.
Not that simple.
It’s the old Mike Tyson edict. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Everyone has a plan until they are flat on their back hooked up to a machine pumping air into their lungs.
Quote: TDVegasConsidering this virus is hammering the lungs and causing a huge surge in hospital beds, ventilators, doctors and nurses....they are not only risking their own health but OUR health infrastructure. Those who had the vaccine also may need a colonoscopy, heart surgery and many many other reasons to be in the hospital thru no fault (directly) of their own.
The selfish are now also imperiling them if their surgery cannot be done because someone is in the bed.
If it was as simple as “you wanna be a dumbsky and not get the vaccine”....so be it.
Not that simple.
It’s the old Mike Tyson edict. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Everyone has a plan until they are flat on their back hooked up to a machine pumping air into their lungs.
It’s that simple after a vaccine is available. The percentage of people that will dodge a free vaccine and pay money for a fake vaccine certification will be absurdly low. No risk of hospitals being overrun. Next.
Quote: gordonm888You may choose to focus on this family, but for every family like this there must be a million families that this didn't happen to. I suspect this family probably didn't practice good social distancing and social quarantining. They had 4 deaths as the outcome of 7 cases in their family, probably because they are all obese. We have learned that obesity is a significant comorbidity to covid-19. This family was not a typical American family and, IMO, the outcomes they had should not be projected onto the rest of the United States.
I am truly amazed, Gordon.
There are now 23,600+ dead from Coronavirus in the US as of now. That's from just a little over a month
If you feel the average family won't lose four relatives, then that means you assume the average family affected will only lose one.
So as of now, there are at least 23,600 families grieving for lost ones.
Without social distancing projections are for 200,000 families to be grieving within a short time period (at 2,000 dead per day it won't be long)
That's when your open economy doesn't matter. That's when the customers don't come to your open store.
Quote: darkozI am truly amazed, Gordon.
There are now 23,600+ dead from Coronavirus in the US as of now. That's from just a little over a month
If you feel the average family won't lose four relatives, then that means you assume the average family affected will only lose one.
So as of now, there are at least 23,600 families grieving for lost ones.
Without social distancing projections are for 200,000 families to be grieving within a short time period (at 2,000 dead per day it won't be long)
That's when your open economy doesn't matter. That's when the customers don't come to your open store.
23,600 dead is less than 1 in 10,000 people. So the average family of four has suffered < 0.0004 deaths.
Everyone's viewpoint seems to be influenced by their location.
I literally do not know a single person who has contracted the coronavirus. Transmission is a strong function of population density and what is correct for NY is not necessarily correct for Kansas and northern Montana. I agree that NYC region (NJ, CONN, etc) should be locked down tighter than a chastity belt. But I see no reason why northern Alaska with less than 1 person per 10 square miles, should follow the same rules as New Jersey. Fentress County, TN is about 70 miles from where I live - there are places in Fentress county where there are farms that don't have electricity. 10% of the population of the state of Tennessee doesn't have broadband WiFi or cable because they live in remote locations with low population density.. These regions are so different than NYC, why in bloody hell must we have a one-size-fits-all policy for shutdowns? It makes no sense -its incredibly arrogant to believe that NYC's tragedy (fueled by its high population density and the arrogant disregard of New Yorkers for the rules during the early phase of the pandemic) will be repeated by dirt-poor people on a remote farm in the Cumberland mountains that has no electricity.
I repeat, keep NYC, NJ, Conn. etc. shutdown for as long as it takes. Disband the Yankees and Mets, destroy the Broadway theater district, give up the stock market business to Chicago and turn off all the lights on the Empire State Building - whatever it takes to stop the deaths. But realize that other regions are going to make local decisions based upon their very different situations.
Quote: unJonIt’s that simple after a vaccine is available. The percentage of people that will dodge a free vaccine and pay money for a fake vaccine certification will be absurdly low. No risk of hospitals being overrun. Next.
I don't know where you live, but the anti-vaccination movement is growing. You can't ignore the fact that a large percentage of people still think this is a flu or a hoax. In any event, it will be years until a vaccination is available to everyone. Ever consider the logistics of vaccinating 360 million people?
Quote: billryanI don't know where you live, but the anti-vaccination movement is growing. You can't ignore the fact that a large percentage of people still think this is a flu or a hoax. In any event, it will be years until a vaccination is available to everyone. Ever consider the logistics of vaccinating 360 million people?
But your chip idea addresses all those problems. Not sure why I didn’t see that before.
Quote: gordonm88823,600 dead is less than 1 in 10,000 people. So the average family of four has suffered < 0.0004 deaths.
Everyone's viewpoint seems to be influenced by their location.
I literally do not know a single person who has contracted the coronavirus. Transmission is a strong function of population density and what is correct for NY is not necessarily correct for Kansas and northern Montana. I agree that NYC region (NJ, CONN, etc) should be locked down tighter than a chastity belt. But I see no reason why northern Alaska with less than 1 person per 10 square miles, should follow the same rules as New Jersey. Fentress County, TN is about 70 miles from where I live - there are places in Fentress county where there are farms that don't have electricity. 10% of the population of the state of Tennessee doesn't have broadband WiFi or cable because they live in remote locations with low population density.. These regions are so different than NYC, why in bloody hell must we have a one-size-fits-all policy for shutdowns? It makes no sense -its incredibly arrogant to believe that NYC's tragedy (fueled by its high population density and the arrogant disregard of New Yorkers for the rules during the early phase of the pandemic) will be repeated by dirt-poor people on a remote farm in the Cumberland mountains that has no electricity.
I repeat, keep NYC, NJ, Conn. etc. shutdown for as long as it takes. Disband the Yankees and Mets, destroy the Broadway theater district, give up the stock market business to Chicago and turn off all the lights on the Empire State Building - whatever it takes to stop the deaths. But realize that other regions are going to make local decisions based upon their very different situations.
If Eastern Tennessee had been open for business the last month, do you think it still would have the results it now has? Do you think the virus has disappeared and if business opens up no one will get it?
I live in rural Arizona. Cases went up 150% this week. Deaths in Arizona doubled this week. They are still low, but a couple more doubles and they wouldn't be.
I agree different places should open at different times, but a look at new cases shows this virus is still spreading. We may have flattened the curve but its very premature to open anywhere yet.
Would you be comfortable with your loved one flying to a city on business May 4th?
Quote: billryanIf Eastern Tennessee had been open for business the last month, do you think it still would have the results it now has? Do you think the virus has disappeared and if business opens up no one will get it?
I live in rural Arizona. Cases went up 150% this week. Deaths in Arizona doubled this week. They are still low, but a couple more doubles and they wouldn't be.
I agree different places should open at different times, but a look at new cases shows this virus is still spreading. We may have flattened the curve but its very premature to open anywhere yet.
Would you be comfortable with your loved one flying to a city on business May 4th?
I am not at all certain what the right strategy is for lifting the shutdown - but you seem to be 100% certain that you know what the right strategy is. Neither of us has ever lived through a pandemic like this -what basis do you have for certainty? And I think it is hilarious that that you seem hell-bent on criticizing what you think may be the details of a decision that (a) has not yet been made and (b) for which there are no details that have been developed and defined. Why not assume that the details of schedules, actions and geographic regions in a "lifting the shutdown" decision will be based on sound judgments by intelligent people? The governors of California, Washington and Oregon are coordinating on developing a strategy for gradually lifting the shutdown in their states - why do you assume that they will make reckless, terrible decisions?
No, I would not be comfortable with my wife flying on May 4th. And like 100s of millions of Americans, we will make our own personal decisions which will likely be more restrictive than what our Governor or President mandates. Indeed, my wife and I were practicing social isolation and had not been out of our house for almost two weeks - while we watched Anderson Cooper broadcasting every day from the CNN studios in NYC. (We consider Anderson Cooper to be the poster child for the NYC culture of being 'above the rules" that contributed to the current situation.) But if other people who have had the virus and who have already developed immunity want to fly sometime in May, why not let them?
Liquor stores, groceries and hardware stores have been operating during the shutdown without creating havoc - why do you assume other retail stores can't operate in a similar low-impact way? It just seems to be a failure of imagination on your part -that you cannot imagine a way to gradually lift the shutdown that will be responsible and safe.
I would suggest carefully slightly expanding essential services in 2 to 4 week lengths so certain important work can be completed. They'll have to be shut down again based on an increase in infections or ICU cases. We've already seen that a lot of dying people don't make it to the hospital in some areas.
Quote to show how many people killed from diabetes alone below.
"In 2016, an estimated 1.6 million deaths were directly caused by diabetes. Another 2.2 million deaths were attributable to high blood glucose in 2012**. Almost half of all deaths attributable to high blood glucose occur before the age of 70 years.Oct 30, 2018"
Welp, 300K workers in Spain are returning to jobs today. Police handing out masks at transport spots.
Quote: Marcusclark66How come all of you guys with all these numbers you post and what you would do and what has to be done, don't apply all of that to a few causes of death equaling 5 to 8 million people a year being killed? One of them is diabetes and when you take a couple of the leading causes of death and people innocently being killed it's going to add up to the number that I told you, millions a year. Why don't you apply answers and solutions to all of those deaths and wipe out all of those deaths as well?
Quote to show how many people killed from diabetes alone below.
"In 2016, an estimated 1.6 million deaths were directly caused by diabetes. Another 2.2 million deaths were attributable to high blood glucose in 2012**. Almost half of all deaths attributable to high blood glucose occur before the age of 70 years.Oct 30, 2018"
What's there to apply more than it has been already? Diabetes is a genetic burden disease, so is to a large extend essential hypertension.
The people are vastly informed about the risk factors and bad habits that lead to developing and maintaining high blood pressure.
Barring genetic engineering for fetuses and nanobots which will be able to treat these conditions in the distant future there is not much more that can be done except informing the public and plead to their senses to try and lead healthy life as much as possible.
Quote: rawtuffWhat's there to apply more than it has been already? .
Guns. Car crashes caused by drinking, drugs, crime and more. Aids. All other flus. And more. So when you add all those up, it's going to be multi millions a year and they're all avoidable and they are inflicted upon innocent people.
But those are acceptable and we do not have to address those we just have to address the coronavirus and shut everything down and cause all the problems that we are causing to stop something. Not that it's wrong, but why don't we do it for everything else as well? You're saying that the other ones are acceptable death upon innocent people. I understand.
people choose to drive cars and it has a benefit, people choose to drink, people choose drugs, there are things you can do to avoid crime for the most part, you can avoid getting AIDS.Quote: Marcusclark66Guns. Car crashes caused by drinking, drugs, crime and more. Aids. All other flus. And more. So when you add all those up, it's going to be multi millions a year and they're all avoidable and they are inflicted upon innocent people.
But those are acceptable and we do not have to address those we just have to address the coronavirus and shut everything down and cause all the problems that we are causing to stop something. Not that it's wrong, but why don't we do it for everything else as well? You're saying that the other ones are acceptable death upon innocent people. I understand.
Quote: AxelWolfpeople choose to drive cars and it has a benefit, people choose to drink, people choose drugs, there are things you can do to avoid crime for the most part, you can avoid getting AIDS.
Not the people that choose to do those things, I'm not talking about their deaths, I'm talking about the millions of people that they kill. Like the guy with the gun in Mandalay Bay he didn't kill some innocent people down below? What about all the school shootings in the last 15 years or so? I think you're missing the total point. I don't care about the the jerks with the guns that died that put them to their head or the ones that drink into oblivion or the ones that OD. I'm not talking about those, I do not care about those. But they kill millions of other people that are purely innocent, as well as whole families at one time standing on the side of the street or in the shopping mall or in the schoolroom.
Quote: Marcusclark66Not the people that choose to do those things, I'm not talking about their deaths, I'm talking about the millions of people that they kill. Like the guy with the gun in Mandalay Bay he didn't kill some innocent people down below? What about all the school shootings in the last 15 years or so? I think you're missing the total point. I don't care about the the jerks with the guns that died that put them to their head or the ones that drink into oblivion or the ones that OD. I'm not talking about those, I do not care about those. But they kill millions of other people that are purely innocent, as well as whole families at one time standing on the side of the street or in the shopping mall or in the schoolroom.
Welcome to the forum.
The reason we don't shutdown for those other deaths is they aren't contagious.
You won't catch a fit of killing other people if you were in the Mandalay Bay crowd
You won't catch diabetes if you sit next to a diabetic on the bus or park bench. EVEN IF THEY COUGH ON YOU!
You won't catch cirhossis of the liver partying with drunk alcoholics while you drink orange juice
You won't even catch AIDS unless you start having unprotected sex or sharing needles with the person infected next to you
Smoking deaths due to second hand smoke take so many years and so many exposures it's difficult to get laws passed but that's an ongoing battle.
In sum, we aren't closed due to so many people dying but because it's a contagious death scenario
"Oh, my county has a $1,000 fine for not wearing a mask in public, and there's no masks anywhere."
Quote: Marcusclark66Guns. Car crashes caused by drinking, drugs, crime and more. Aids. All other flus. And more. So when you add all those up, it's going to be multi millions a year and they're all avoidable and they are inflicted upon innocent people.
But those are acceptable and we do not have to address those we just have to address the coronavirus and shut everything down and cause all the problems that we are causing to stop something. Not that it's wrong, but why don't we do it for everything else as well? You're saying that the other ones are acceptable death upon innocent people. I understand.
Huh, no I'm not saying the other ones are acceptable. I only addressed diabetes and high blood pressure that you mentioned initially.
Drinking is a choice, drugs using is a choice and so is arming yourself and shooting people. Coronavirus is not a choice.
The state is fighting against drugs manufacturing and distribution, crimes and drinking and driving are they not? And yes, US could benefit from far more restrict gun laws. The whole point is this is a novel virus. No one really knows what it is capable of yet.
If we don't take this seriously and act accordingly the consequences may be catastrophic.
Unless there are truly drastic changes, like no touching the cards, no touching chips, slots spaced out by the 6 foot rule, one way walking patterns, patron masks, there will be the risk of infection spread. How high the risk is will be one for the epidemiologists after the fact.
I'm not sure when I will feel comfortable going back to a casino. It's not that important to me. I know as soon as I'm allowed I'll probably be playing basketball, clearly a more risky endeavor.
Quote: SOOPOONo one can be sure when casinos will be allowed to open. But one thing I can GUARANTEE you all, that when they are first opened, it will not be as safe as they say it will be.
Unless there are truly drastic changes, like no touching the cards, no touching chips, slots spaced out by the 6 foot rule, one way walking patterns, patron masks, there will be the risk of infection spread. How high the risk is will be one for the epidemiologists after the fact.
I'm not sure when I will feel comfortable going back to a casino. It's not that important to me. I know as soon as I'm allowed I'll probably be playing basketball, clearly a more risky endeavor.
I agree with this. I’ll probably stay away until it becomes more clear whether there will be a surge in cases, and there’s more data out there.
I’m mostly wondering if I’ll be taking my scheduled beach family vacation in early August.
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I’m mostly wondering if I’ll be taking my scheduled beach family vacation in early August.
I am still holding out for the slightest glimmer of hope that my May 15th Caribbean beach vacation may still happen. The flights are still scheduled but I expect they will be cancelled this week. If the plane flies and the beach is open I will be going.
I planned this one for ten days and that will be the longest vacation that I have ever taken.
