Casino Close thread
Quote: beachbumbabshad it and recovered without ever knowing they had it.
And the only way to find that out is a blood test for the antibodies people would have developed in overcoming the virus. Luckily, it's a cheap and simple test that they can easily run. They're talking about doing it, but no action yet that I know of. It would help enormously to map the disease.
True random sampling should answer that. Probably will be the most accurate measure we'll ever get in this imperfect testing and surveying environment, with people missed or misdiagnosed.
Quote: beachbumbabsWhat we don't have is enough evidence to know how many people have had a mild case and recovered. They're doing all of this blind without that information.
Right now, out of 83,000 cases in the US, about 1200 have died, and only 260 have recovered. The rest 80k+ are still ill, defined as confirmed cases still testing positive.
So for every one who's actually recovered, 5 have died.
We had all better HOPE there's a boatload of people out there who had it and recovered without ever knowing they had it.
And the only way to find that out is a blood test for the antibodies people would have developed in overcoming the virus. Luckily, it's a cheap and simple test that they can easily run. They're talking about doing it, but no action yet that I know of. It would help enormously to map the disease.
There is a flaw in your alarmism. How long does it take to "recover" vs. how long does it take to die?
It is easy to die fast from a thing like this. You can die within days of having it. But when is "recovery" determined? Weeks? Months?
So, if those that die will die within a week but it takes 3 weeks to recover, we have few people who can even be pronounced "recovered" as the thing has not been active in the USA for much before March 1. I am not saying since patient zero, I am talking significant numbers. If we take this date then you would have 4 weeks to report deaths but 1 to report "recoveries."
Those are just "for example" numbers, but the point is it is faster to die from it than to recover even if 99% will recover.
Like the other thread where someone was upset that "the USA now has the most cases" there are reasons for these numbers.
Quote: beachbumbabsWhat we don't have is enough evidence to know how many people have had a mild case and recovered. They're doing all of this blind without that information.
To me this is THE MOST IMPORTANT point that people are not factoring in.
My sister has a husband and three sons. Oldest son is Med Student in New Jersey. Over the past three weeks they have been taking turns getting sick. The Med Student, a ‘foodie’, had been bitching that he can’t taste anything. The husband had a one day high fever but it was gone in 24 hours. The other sons both had some mild illness for a couple of days. My sister had nothing, until yesterday when she spiked a fever to 102.
They happen to live across the road from the famous NJ family that all got very sick.
Unless my sister gets sicker, NONE of the five of them will have been tested. But most likely ALL five of them will have had it. So the death rate does not and WILL NOT include them. I still think in the US if you are under 60 with no significant medical problems your chance of dying is less than 1%, probably significantly less.
Another thing, many of the elderly that are succumbing have DNR orders, meaning that if sick enough to need a ventilator, they are allowed to die instead.
But even if death rate is .5%, that is huge. 1out of 200 is not odds I want to take.
Quote: SOOPOOTo me this is THE MOST IMPORTANT point that people are not factoring in.
That is usually the way it goes. Uncertainty.
Consider a "flu vaccine": If a person gets the vaccine and dies, that is a failure whereas a person who gets the vaccine then get sick and then recovers may have benefited from antibodies that conferred sufficient time to crank his immune system into high gear.
Loss of taste is a major indicator suffered by each of my two Corona Cruise Ship friends and indi cates depletion of vitamin C and Zinc stores, but is certainly not definitive.
I am being discharged today but they have significant concern about my 'prison pallor' and disappointing hemoglobin values. For a variety of reasons, I won't be able to afford to seek any care if I have a relapse or any other health care concerns.
One of my "Pushers" was noticeably sniffling. Did I get exposed to something? Time will tell.
Quote: SOOPOOI will bet you aNY amount of money they are not. the trajectory of infections will have nevada likely at the peak of infections around then so name a geographic area and propose how much you want to bet. I'll let you win if even 80% are open.
My casino sent out a memo last night saying we are now closed through April 30 and all employees will be paid, including average tips, through that date. Any closure past that date will be re-evaluated for continued pay to employees.
ZCore13
Quote: KeyserAre there any casinos open anywhere in the US?
I’m pretty sure they are all shut down.
If there’s an order to shut down....my guess is the only ones who don’t have to comply are casinos on Indian reservations. Pretty sure they are all self shut down too.
| Casino | Grade |
|---|---|
| Venetian | A+ |
| Station Casinos | A- |
| Wynn | B+ |
| Sahara | B |
| Tropicana | B- |
| D/Golden Gate | C+ |
| Plaza | C |
| Cosmo | D+ |
| Excalibur | D |
Source: Casino Closures at Vegas-Aces.com.
Quote: TDVegasI’m pretty sure they are all shut down.
If there’s an order to shut down....my guess is the only ones who don’t have to comply are casinos on Indian reservations. Pretty sure they are all self shut down too.
But there's not an order to shut down everywhere in the US. That's been left to the states, and they've handled it differently. For example, there's no order in South Dakota. Most casinos there have closed, but Royal River and Fort Randall are both still open with extra distancing, extra cleaning, and to-go (back to your machine, anyway) food.
Quote: WizardMy sidekick Heather Ferris did an outstanding job of documenting how the various Las Vegas casinos are standing by their employees through this difficult time. I'll just document the grades posted here:
Casino Grade Venetian A+ Station Casinos A- Wynn B+ Sahara B Tropicana B- D/Golden Gate C+ Plaza C Cosmo D+ Excalibur D
Source: Casino Closures at Vegas-Aces.com.
Does the grade for Excalibur carry for the other MGM properties as well? If so, it's gotta hurt for employees at Mandalay Bay and Bellagio seeing the Venetian and Wynn folks being so much better treated.
Quote: WizardMy sidekick Heather Ferris did an outstanding job of documenting how the various Las Vegas casinos are standing by their employees through this difficult time. I'll just document the grades posted here:
Casino Grade Venetian A+ Station Casinos A- Wynn B+ Sahara B Tropicana B- D/Golden Gate C+ Plaza C Cosmo D+ Excalibur D
Source: Casino Closures at Vegas-Aces.com.
This is really great stuff. The ones at the bottom do have the opportunity to turn things around, would be great to see that happen. I encourage everyone to evaluate where they give their future business to based on companies actions during these times.
Curious about Boyd, PTs, and some of the others.
Quote: beachbumbabsWynn and Stations have put out notice they will re-open May 1.
This may no longer be accurate, or may have been rescinded. The LVRJ article I read is no longer available, and there's no other reporting saying this that I've found.
Quote: beachbumbabsThis may no longer be accurate, or may have been rescinded. The LVRJ article I read is no longer available, and there's no other reporting saying this that I've found.
As of this afternoon, Caesars is taking hotel bookings for 4/17 and beyond. MGM and Stations are 5/1 and beyond. That all seems dangerously optimistic. They're just going to have to cancel those reservations when the state extends the closures.
Southpoint and Silverton look to be taking reservations April 24th and beyond.
M Resort doesn't look to be taking any reservations atm.
Quote: rdw4potusDoes the grade for Excalibur carry for the other MGM properties as well? If so, it's gotta hurt for employees at Mandalay Bay and Bellagio seeing the Venetian and Wynn folks being so much better treated.
I don't want to speak for Heather, but these kind of big decisions are usually made at the corporate level.
Some of the hotel REITS I have invested in are cautiously booking Easter and Memorial Day weekends ONLY. Unfortunately, some of this is rumor, as several of the Co.s are in quiet period. Those that can talk officially do not expect much on Easter weekend, and 'some' on Mem. weekend. IMHO weak to very weak.
Suited89
Quote: TDVegasI’ll be very surprised to see any casino open before May 1. Even that date is in doubt, imo.
My guess is July 1 in the lesser affected areas. September 1 in the hardest hit areas.
If the ability to social distance is a main factor in the order in which businesses are permitted to reopen, casinos should be near the last ones.
I guess they could take some measures to make it easier. Allow only 3 people at a roullete table at a time, only have every 3rd slot machine along a row be operable , limit blackjack table occupancy to every other seat.
Quote: ChumpChangeNo vaccine will clear this virus out, ever.
You certainly are not a very optimistic guy are you
Just in: 200 million Americans under stay-at-home orders.
Rhode Island to enforce quarantines on NY visitors by going door to door and stopping cars with NY plates.
102 year old Italian woman recovers from Coronavirus. She may have survived the 1918 Spanish Flu too.
Quote: Zcore13My casino sent out a memo last night saying we are now closed through April 30 and all employees will be paid, including average tips, through that date. Any closure past that date will be re-evaluated for continued pay to employees.
ZCore13
Sounds reasonable. They will re-evaluate and close for longer Book it. I'm seeing the upward trajectory of cases here in Buffalo. You are a week or two behind us. (BY you I mean Vegas)
Quote: SOOPOOSounds reasonable. They will re-evaluate and close for longer Book it. I'm seeing the upward trajectory of cases here in Buffalo. You are a week or two behind us. (BY you I mean Vegas)
I'm in Az. We have 665 confirmed cases and 18 deaths. It's been going up about 100 per day for cases and a handful for deaths each of the last 3 days.
ZCore13
Quote: michael99000My guess is July 1 in the lesser affected areas. September 1 in the hardest hit areas.
If the ability to social distance is a main factor in the order in which businesses are permitted to reopen, casinos should be near the last ones.
I guess they could take some measures to make it easier. Allow only 3 people at a roullete table at a time, only have every 3rd slot machine along a row be operable , limit blackjack table occupancy to every other seat.
To me this sounds more likely than what anyone else has guessed in this thread. But none of us really has a clue. Don't get me wrong, I'm dying to go play some video poker. Poor choice of words. But even if they were to open that early, say as early as September, I personally don't think I would go in to a casino until everyone has been playing for awhile and ain't no one croaking. I'm staying home. If anything, it never hurts to get more practice so I can do that on vp software. Practice some games that I never play. Heck, I don't even know Bonus Poker perfectly. There's a lot of penalty cards in that game that I'm rusty on. I got plenty of time to practice.
Quote: michael99000
I guess they could take some measures to make it easier. Allow only 3 people at a roullete table at a time, only have every 3rd slot machine along a row be operable , limit blackjack table occupancy to every other seat.
Cones
That changes April first. They move to unpaid furlough status
But more interestingly, there's a report from the AGA, last updated on March 26th, stating that 982 of 989 casinos are closed, and there's a different article saying that all of the ones that remain open are tribal properties.
Has anybody managed to find one that's actually still open?
And for more fun: I got an offer in the mail today for a free cruise in July. Considering that I took the precaution of spraying down the envelope first...
Quote: VenthusI got an email from Valley View (SoCal) the other day saying that they're still hopeful for an April 4th reopening. (...Yeah. No.)
But more interestingly, there's a report from the AGA, last updated on March 26th, stating that 982 of 989 casinos are closed, and there's a different article saying that all of the ones that remain open are tribal properties.
Has anybody managed to find one that's actually still open?
And for more fun: I got an offer in the mail today for a free cruise in July. Considering that I took the precaution of spraying down the envelope first...
I'm guessing they're in Florida if anyone is still open. Just a guess.
Quote: TDVegasI’ll be very surprised to see any casino open before May 1. Even that date is in doubt, imo.
I disagree. I think some of the small out of the way casinos will open by then.
