Casino Close thread
Quote: WizardIt's closing the actual street. There are guards there to enforce it, who moved out of the line of shot of the picture. No, it's not usually barricaded.
Nice of them to do that.
I've never seen them close on account of weather -- or anything. Somebody once told me that the doors at 7-11 don't even have locks, because they never close, but I am dubious of that.
7/11 doors have locks. The stores might need to close for brief periods. Denny's as well, Denny's closed on Christmas a couple times around me.
My dad told me of a story he heard of when some casino was opened in Vegas (Rivera era) and they threw the keys to the door out to the crowd. I guess I cannot see weather closing casinos in Vegas as like Phoenix it does not have that kind of bad weather, making both great for call centers.
First problem I see is that not all employees will return. They never do after a layoff. Some jobs are easy to fill, say unskilled kitchen or cleaning. Dealers require 3-4 weeks of training and practice, by law in some jurisdictions if not most.
Now, if business is slow at first this may not be a problem. Will business be slow at first reopen? Or will there be pent up demand? The Strip might be slow at first as the hotels will start from empty, with locals and outside Vegas casinos just needing to swing the doors open.
Will cash reserves be down meaning they have to ramp up so they can cover bets in play?
DISCUSS.
Quote: AZDuffmanNow that everything that will close is pretty much closed, the question is how will the reopenings go?
First problem I see is that not all employees will return. They never do after a layoff. Some jobs are easy to fill, say unskilled kitchen or cleaning. Dealers require 3-4 weeks of training and practice, by law in some jurisdictions if not most.
Now, if business is slow at first this may not be a problem. Will business be slow at first reopen? Or will there be pent up demand? The Strip might be slow at first as the hotels will start from empty, with locals and outside Vegas casinos just needing to swing the doors open.
Will cash reserves be down meaning they have to ramp up so they can cover bets in play?
DISCUSS.
Most of the big corporations are actually paying their labor during this time period. If they keep that up they should have no problem with labor return
Secondly, layoffs normally send those workers out into the job market. Right now there is no job market with almost everything closed
Quote: AZDuffmanNow that everything that will close is pretty much closed, the question is how will the reopenings go?
The author of this article says the battle is far from over. To win, Nevada must declare WAR on Covid-19. IMHO, it provides a good summary of how Nevada's future may unfold.
Or, the author could be another whacko seeking attention. Either way, his comments should stimulate the discussion you requested. Speaking only for myself, this wacko thinks thatwacko whacks the nail on the head with a well-written (and somewhat scary) overview.
Quote: smoothgrhAt 1:45pm today, I got an email that Thunder Valley Casino near Sacramento will “suspend operations” starting Friday, March 20.
Jackson Rancheria and Harrah's Northern California are also closed - I think those are the "big three" in the area between Sacramento and Reno.
Casinos on the other hand.....
Two more that showed symptoms are awaiting results.
Story says they are not naming them, but the casino is contacting everyone who may have been affected. Wonder if this means they are going through the players cards that were swiped during that dealers shift and contacting everyone who played? Probably should also contact anyone who played at that table on the next shift, as the chips were probably still dirty.
Quote: AZDuffmanNow that everything that will close is pretty much closed, the question is how will the reopenings go?
First problem I see is that not all employees will return. They never do after a layoff. Some jobs are easy to fill, say unskilled kitchen or cleaning. Dealers require 3-4 weeks of training and practice, by law in some jurisdictions if not most.
Now, if business is slow at first this may not be a problem. Will business be slow at first reopen? Or will there be pent up demand? The Strip might be slow at first as the hotels will start from empty, with locals and outside Vegas casinos just needing to swing the doors open.
Will cash reserves be down meaning they have to ramp up so they can cover bets in play?
DISCUSS.
My Casino is paying all staff during the closure, including average daily tips based on the previous pay period, for all tipped employees.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13My Casino is paying all staff during the closure, including average daily tips based on the previous pay period, for all tipped employees.
ZCore13
That is remarkable! I applaud your management.
you're applauding the same management that took the following action 6 days ago.Quote: SOOPOOThat is remarkable! I applaud your management.
"Business as usual at the largest casino in Az. Sold out outdoor concert tonight (2,854 people) for John Fogerty.
Quote: Zcore13My Casino is paying all staff during the closure, including average daily tips based on the previous pay period, for all tipped employees.
ZCore13
Pretty sure at least all the southern Calif casinos are paying their people, with ONE exception, Viejas. Don't think the dealers are too happy about that.
Quote: Zcore13My Casino is paying all staff during the closure, including average daily tips based on the previous pay period, for all tipped employees.
ZCore13
That is awesome. I was impressed that some were paying just the hourly wages when they don't have to.
Suited89
Quote: AxelWolfyou're applauding the same management that took the following action 6 days ago.
"Business as usual at the largest casino in Az. Sold out outdoor concert tonight (2,854 people) for John Fogerty.
So? The concert was cancelled that night and both casinos closed a couple days later. That makes the fact that they are going way above and beyond by paying average tips, which is way more than half for dealers, cocktail servers and wait staff their average tips, less amazing?
ZCore13
It's never amazing to me when somebody does the right thing.Quote: Zcore13So? The concert was cancelled that night and both casinos closed a couple days later. That makes the fact that they are going way above and beyond by paying average tips, which is way more than half for dealers, cocktail servers and wait staff their average tips, less amazing?
ZCore13
Quote: AxelWolfIt's never amazing to me when somebody does the right thing.
I doubt many are including average tips. Less than 5% I bet.
I've only heard about one other casino doing it, Many are laying off. Live Casino & Hotel in Maryland.
My guess would be an additional expense of $1,000,000 to $1,250,000 a week to my Casino that they don't normally have, even when open.
That's way more than the right thing.
ZCore13
Quote: AxelWolfIt's never amazing to me when somebody does the right thing.
It always amazes me when big companies do the right thing. I was happy to see that some bars in Las Vegas are paying their employees their hourly wages.
Resorts world Catskills is extending their closure through April 15th from the previous date of April 1st.
Additionally all entertainment dates and shows have been postponed for after May 1st.
Quote: beachbumbabsWynn and Stations have put out notice they will re-open May 1.
That's bold. I'd also take the "no" on it actually happening. I know things are desperate for Stations, but they're going to waste money preparing to open when they can't...
Quote: beachbumbabsWynn and Stations have put out notice they will re-open May 1.
Wow. And they did that with absolutely no knowledge of what’s going to really happen.
Maybe the objective is to try and get people to book early May rooms, so that if by some miracle this is all resolved in 35 days, guests will be committed to going there
Quote: rdw4potusThat's bold. I'd also take the "no" on it actually happening. I know things are desperate for Stations, but they're going to waste money preparing to open when they can't...
I would bet that 90%, if not all casinos will be open by May 1st.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13I would bet that 90%, if not all casinos will be open by May 1st.
ZCore13
Right in the midst of what might be the worst or near worst of the outbreak, let’s squeeze a bunch of people together at roullete and blackjack tables and pass chips around
Quote: michael99000Right in the midst of what might be the worst or near worst of the outbreak, let’s squeeze a bunch of people together at roullete and blackjack tables and pass chips around
That works for me. People can always have more kids to repopulate the country.
Quote: Zcore13I would bet that 90%, if not all casinos will be open by May 1st.
ZCore13
We are nowhere near the top of the curve. Things will get much worse before they get better. And there's no chance that Sisolak will risk allowing a second spike.
Quote: TDVegasWe are going to have to get back to business soon enough. The health ramifications just based on a complete economic shutdown will begin to surpass the health ramifications from the virus as the time length increases.
The risk is that if we release the current shutdown too soon, we'll create a second spike in cases & need to shut things down again. 3 months now is less outage than 2 months now, 1 month back, 2 months off again, 1 month back....
Quote: TDVegasWe are going to have to get back to business soon enough. The health ramifications just based on a complete economic shutdown will begin to surpass the health ramifications from the virus as the time length increases.
How do you properly practice social distancing and some of the other health guidelines regarding this virus, in places like restaurants, bars, casinos, sporting event crowds , concerts, hair salons, nail salons.. business whose entire purpose revolves around people being near people ?
Quote: michael99000How do you properly practice social distancing and some of the other health guidelines regarding this virus, in places like restaurants, bars, casinos, sporting event crowds , concerts, hair salons, nail salons.. business whose entire purpose revolves around people being near people ?
There’s no easy answer. My point stands....we are going to have to get back to business EVEN with health concerns. Where is the proper point to open full bore? No one can answer that question and I guarantee it runs the gamut anyway. I’ve heard some say 9 months. Others much more optimistic. The reality is a recurrence of outbreak is probably a given regardless of timeline. Until a vaccine is approved, there WILL be a reoccurrence of cases.
As I stated, the health, welfare (AND yes, deaths) by a complete, extended shut down will begin to eclipse the virus ramifications and or worries.
Quote: rdw4potusThe risk is that if we release the current shutdown too soon, we'll create a second spike in cases & need to shut things down again. 3 months now is less outage than 2 months now, 1 month back, 2 months off again, 1 month back....
There’s no playbook here. It’s essentially all guesswork without a real knowledge of “best method”.
Truth is...there likely WILL be recurrence regardless how long we shut the country down. We need a vaccine. That could be years off.
The economic calamity and deaths will soar under a financial shutdown. 90% of the population doesn’t have the reserves to stand down. As the date moves....and moves, the impact of the virus and resulting shutdown will begin to merge in terms of lethality.
If that same amount dies globally now we wind up with a similar economic disaster as if we reopen.. only with the loss of loved ones
That’s less than 1% of the global population. A global depression would kill much more, even assuming it doesn’t culminate with world war 3.Quote: darkoz50 million died in 1918 from the pandemic
If that same amount dies globally now we wind up with a similar economic disaster as if we reopen.. only with the loss of loved ones
Quote: Ace2That’s less than 1% of the global population. A global depression would kill much more, even assuming it doesn’t culminate with world war 3.
Sounds good
Except the last great depression showed a decrease in death rates not an increase.
I was pretty shocked myself but look it up
https://www.pnas.org/content/106/41/17290
Quote: onenickelmiracleSuch a bad business decision these casinos staying open this long. They'll be able to trace exposure right back to them, and even if the exposures would have happened to many people, people could wind up associating the illnesses with casinos anyway. People are saying around here, they think they already had this and didn't know it, but we don't have the deaths to back it up, just wishful thinking and denial. We still don't yet have the deaths for so many to be exposed and over it.
40,000 dead (morte!) last year from second hand smoke. In a general sense, casinos are one of the last vestiges of large swaths of people congregating indoors where we say “smoke away, no problem”. The stores, the arenas, Walmart, the offices...we mandate “no f**ing way”.
No problem with that exposure and death, right?
Just putting it all in perspective (and probably our hypocrisy) on the “bad business decision” front. I guess we are more than willing to tolerate a certain amount of worker and customer deaths over a KNOWN health hazard.
Quote: TDVegas40,000 dead (morte!) last year from second hand smoke. In a general sense, casinos are one of the last vestiges of large swaths of people congregating indoors where we say “smoke away, no problem”. The stores, the arenas, Walmart, the offices...we mandate “no f**ing way”.
No problem with that exposure and death, right?
Just putting it all in perspective (and probably our hypocrisy) on the “bad business decision” front. I guess we are more than willing to tolerate a certain amount of worker and customer deaths over a KNOWN health hazard.
Apples to oranges. Sounds like there aren't enough places which allow smoking, your point is well received. Smokers need some affirmative action to deal with the discrimination and prejudice and ostracization.
Quote: Zcore13I would bet that 90%, if not all casinos will be open by May 1st.
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I will bet you aNY amount of money they are not. the trajectory of infections will have nevada likely at the peak of infections around then so name a geographic area and propose how much you want to bet. I'll let you win if even 80% are open.
Quote: SOOPOOI will bet you aNY amount of money they are not. the trajectory of infections will have nevada likely at the peak of infections around then so name a geographic area and propose how much you want to bet. I'll let you win if even 80% are open.
You know people are addicted to gambling when they start wagering on when they can start gambling again
Quote: onenickelmiracleSuch a bad business decision these casinos staying open this long. They'll be able to trace exposure right back to them, and even if the exposures would have happened to many people, people could wind up associating the illnesses with casinos anyway. People are saying around here, they think they already had this and didn't know it, but we don't have the deaths to back it up, just wishful thinking and denial. We still don't yet have the deaths for so many to be exposed and over it.
What we don't have is enough evidence to know how many people have had a mild case and recovered. They're doing all of this blind without that information.
Right now, out of 83,000 cases in the US, about 1200 have died, and only 260 have recovered. The rest 80k+ are still ill, defined as confirmed cases still testing positive.
So for every one who's actually recovered, 5 have died.
We had all better HOPE there's a boatload of people out there who had it and recovered without ever knowing they had it.
And the only way to find that out is a blood test for the antibodies people would have developed in overcoming the virus. Luckily, it's a cheap and simple test that they can easily run. They're talking about doing it, but no action yet that I know of. It would help enormously to map the disease.
As I said in the other thread, if people were getting it and not knowing it, there would be plenty of people knowing it, because they weren't alone dying in hospitals. This was the reason we knew it started in WUHAN, people were dying one right after the other.Quote: beachbumbabsWhat we don't have is enough evidence to know how many people have had a mild case and recovered. They're doing all of this blind without that information.
Right now, out of 83,000 cases in the US, about 1200 have died, and only 260 have recovered. The rest 80k+ are still ill, defined as confirmed cases still testing positive.
So for every one who's actually recovered, 5 have died.
We had all better HOPE there's a boatload of people out there who had it and recovered without ever knowing they had it.
And the only way to find that out is a blood test for the antibodies people would have developed in overcoming the virus. Luckily, it's a cheap and simple test that they can easily run. They're talking about doing it, but no action yet that I know of. It would help enormously to map the disease.
Quote: onenickelmiracleApples to oranges. Sounds like there aren't enough places which allow smoking, your point is well received. Smokers need some affirmative action to deal with the discrimination and prejudice and ostracization.
As sad as it was...I had to laugh at the precautions prior to closing. “We will remove every other seat so you aren’t too close to anyone. We will close every other slot. Hand sanitizer up the wazoo. Full time crews on wipe down.”
Prior....6 guys at a blackjack table blowing smoke toward the dealer and anyone else in proximity where we know 40,000 bought the farm based on second hand smoke. (AMA)...New England Journal, etc, etc.
“No problem”.
Hypocrisy doesn’t even begin to describe it.
If there was an ounce of backbone after this virus was all said and done...the casino smoking exemption would go the way of the dodo bird.
Quote: onenickelmiracleAs I said in the other thread, if people were getting it and not knowing it, there would be plenty of people knowing it, because they weren't alone dying in hospitals. This was the reason we knew it started in WUHAN, people were dying one right after the other.
But how it started is water under the bridge and out in the delta weeks ago. They need to map as much of it as they can so they can locate the emergency care gear, extra personnel, and resources where they need them next.
Even more importantly from a survival standpoint, they need those people's blood if they're out there. They need to do whole blood or antibody-rich plasma transfusions of it into stricken people to help boost their immune systems NOW. And they need to study their blood and the antibodies they developed to build vaccines and treatments.
I have a friend who is one of the few who have recovered. She's giving the maximum blood possible to all the different researchers and scientists - just did her 3rd donation of some quantity in 10 days, up in the Seattle area.
I don't believe second hand smoke kills.Quote: TDVegas40,000 dead (morte!) last year from second hand smoke. In a general sense, casinos are one of the last vestiges of large swaths of people congregating indoors where we say “smoke away, no problem”. The stores, the arenas, Walmart, the offices...we mandate “no f**ing way”.
No problem with that exposure and death, right?
Just putting it all in perspective (and probably our hypocrisy) on the “bad business decision” front. I guess we are more than willing to tolerate a certain amount of worker and customer deaths over a KNOWN health hazard.
I have an article here [somewhere] that said the gov had 12 study's done before they found one they liked that said how dangerous 2nd smoke is. Unless a person is living with someone who won't go outside and has to live in a cloud, I don't believe it.
If 2 smoke kills, why isn't everyone that gambled in Vegas dead? It's irritating agreed, I hate it, but it's not killing 40k per.
Quote: SOOPOOI will bet you aNY amount of money they are not. the trajectory of infections will have nevada likely at the peak of infections around then so name a geographic area and propose how much you want to bet. I'll let you win if even 80% are open.
In the news tonight, Fresno just extended the order to stay home by two more weeks. April 12th. Good luck with that.
Quote: petroglyphI don't believe second hand smoke kills.
I have an article here [somewhere] that said the gov had 12 study's done before they found one they liked that said how dangerous 2nd smoke is. Unless a person is living with someone who won't go outside and has to live in a cloud, I don't believe it.
If 2 smoke kills, why isn't everyone that gambled in Vegas dead? It's irritating agreed, I hate it, but it's not killing 40k per.
Which government is that?.....because they have pretty much all, including WHO and just about any other reputable medical source (AMA, New England J of M) determined a definitive health hazard (death) link from second hand smoke and increased lung cancer and heart disease deaths.
If it's a reputable source saying not true, I'll listen. If it's a cigarette company source or someone who has an axe to grind to take an alternative opinion....pass.
Quote: TDVegasQuote: petroglyphI don't believe second hand smoke kills.
I have an article here [somewhere] that said the gov had 12 study's done before they found one they liked that said how dangerous 2nd smoke is. Unless a person is living with someone who won't go outside and has to live in a cloud, I don't believe it.
If 2 smoke kills, why isn't everyone that gambled in Vegas dead? It's irritating agreed, I hate it, but it's not killing 40k per.
Which government is that?.....because they have pretty much all, including WHO and just about any other reputable medical source (AMA, New England J of M) determined a definitive health hazard (death) link from second hand smoke and increased lung cancer and heart disease deaths.
If it's a reputable source saying not true, I'll listen. If it's a cigarette company source or someone who has an axe to grind to take an alternative opinion....pass.
What you should do is go preach to the choir and not people who don't gaf.
Agreed, just think the people who think they had it already and never knew are just being wishful thinkers and in denial. It's possible to have had it once it has been proven to be around, but I don't think the virus was going around not killing people then changed the MO. Blood transfusions are an idea which was passed around, think it's a good idea and something which isn't talked about much and not very often.Quote: beachbumbabsBut how it started is water under the bridge and out in the delta weeks ago. They need to map as much of it as they can so they can locate the emergency care gear, extra personnel, and resources where they need them next.
Even more importantly from a survival standpoint, they need those people's blood if they're out there. They need to do whole blood or antibody-rich plasma transfusions of it into stricken people to help boost their immune systems NOW. And they need to study their blood and the antibodies they developed to build vaccines and treatments.
I have a friend who is one of the few who have recovered. She's giving the maximum blood possible to all the different researchers and scientists - just did her 3rd donation of some quantity in 10 days, up in the Seattle area.
