Living out of Hotel Rooms
Quote: AxelWolfthe truth is the dude spun some yarn and Racqet believe him . It's amazing what little evidence we need to think something is true.
Almost anybody you'll ever talk to will always tell you they have a brother/ uncle/ cousin/ father / best friend that's a professional gambler. The sad part is... those people telling you that actually believe it.
I saw this guy for maybe sixty minutes total over two days. I don't think it was a "yarn" - who did he need to impress?
I didn't believe or not believe anything. A lot of commentary in this thread about living in a hotel reminded me of this guy, and his story fit to this topic. I could imagine doing the same thing, although my opinion of this guy and the lifestyle it would entail makes me think that it would require some kind of income beyond what you make playing blackjack and sports betting.
We all have sat down at a table and listened to stories and seen personalities that we truly "believe" to be crap, and are, truly, yarns. The main point of the storytelling is to make sure everyone else sitting there knows how self-important he (usually a man) is and how important his story.
That was not this guy. Too laid back, too low-key. Seemed genuine to me.
Legitimate or not, it seemed to fit in this thread, to the point that maybe it in fact IS something that might work.
Money - I ended up spending a little less living in hotels than I would have to keep my apartment but it was mostly a wash. I just traded rent, utilities, gym membership for hotel charges, laundromats, and increased food spending. It's also a trade off in time and energy - I no longer had to maintain a residence (I miss not having to ever make a bed or clean a toilet), but instead there was the logistical hassles of making travel plans, packing/unpacking, etc. Things like "where/when am I going to do laundry" became more stressful/consumed more of my mental energy than is reasonable. Mail is an issue if you don't have someone willing to let you use their address. And not having an actual address complicates many things I hadn't really thought of: renewing a driver's license, passing a background check needed for a new job, getting car insurance, etc. I never met an insurmountable obstacle, but those random things ended up taking a lot more time and energy than they would have if I had a normal permanent address.
The other thing that I actually enjoyed, but that many would find frustrating/challenging is the need to be super minimalist if you are going to be traveling full time. I didn't have a car, so I was living out of a carry on sized suitcase + briefcase. Luckily I could store some small things in my office at work. And my parents let me stash a few boxes worth of things I didn't want to get rid of permanently in their basement. It was pretty bare bones and I STILL managed to lose several things in hotel rooms when checking out, which was another unexpected (but avoidable if you aren't as absent-minded as I am) expense.
If you are going to make a go of this, I would encourage you to spend some time getting to know the various hotel loyalty programs for those times when you need to spend a night outside of the casino. Things have changed a lot since I was doing this full time, but I got a lot of free nights by exploiting hotel loyalty promotions and best rate guarantees. Someone savvy about travel hacking and comp hustling could probably string together cheap/free hotel nights indefinitely.
Quote: AxelWolfIf a guy could make a decent hourly AND get free meals and housing for free then I'm all for it if you enjoy living in hotel rooms. But if you're spending most of your time just playing to earn food and housing that doesn't sound like a good situation to me.
Personally, I think I'd rather live out of a fully self-contained RV.
I would be banking pretty heavily on the idea that it doesn't take much to get reduced rates without too much effort beyond what I would do normally if I went on a permanent Las Vegas vacation. Think I could go pretty much every Sunday - Thursday never paying more than $30 per night at Stations / Boyd level properties. Add in Friday and Saturday at double that and it makes an apartment seem like the obvious choice. But, there will be some completely comped nights. And even some nights I spend without need a room doing other stuff (playing games, the gym, driving to Reno). One thing I've found is it can be very east to get "free" rooms on the strip. Which really end up costing about $50 per night on average. Some less than that. From a pure 'money in - money out' economics stand point it isn't as good as playing six hours at AZ Charlies. But there is some value in having part-time accommodations at billion dollar resorts among the most well-known, popular, luxury tourist destinations in the world.
The other thing is that I can always re-evaluate every month. Went five weeks in hotels during a summer road trip one summer and could have gone longer with no problem.
Quote: RSSome downsides, I think some already discussed:
-Lot of good stuff you bring up. Lack of convenience and having to stay on top of the laundry situation would be the problem. The actual chore would just be sitting in front of an iphone or chromebook in a different location while waiting for it to get done.
-Having to deal with hotel wifi might be the biggest bitch of all.
-Will still have just as much access to grocery stores. Anywhere else in the country would be able to count on finding hotels with fridge / microwave. Not Las Vegas. Fortunately I have no problem having corn nuts and protein bars for a meal everyday
-No problem not having much stuff at all. Can definitely see myself having to replace lost phone chargers every week. Can also see getting really annoyed at losing room keys every other day
-Mail would be an issue. But there is no reason why it has to be like that. It should be that we can get all casino promotions electronically.
-Try to keep things as normal as possible. Go to the gym everyday. Go to the library. Would even look into some possible jobs where you fill out paperwork and the boss takes out taxes.
Find out who gives you free food for it being your birthday. Also find out which ones don't ask for ID. Sign up for multiple accounts with different names and different dates of birth. You can pull at least 15 meals a month just doing that.
What is the point of paying $30 a night to stay in a hotel when a studio apartment cost less?
then you could get a gym membership for showers - they can be obtained very cheap - like $10 per month with a promo
then if you have a nice positive drift splurge for a hotel room for a couple nights
you would have to be careful how you eat - not just fast food burgers chicken and pizza - need to get some veggies and bran every day
just a thought -
You can't do that in the summer here. I'd actually say there's five months out of the year you can't do that.Quote: lilredroosteryou could get a large beater for a couple thou - like a 15 year old SUV - drive it very gently and mainly use it for sleeping
just a thought -
Most casinos off the Strip had low or free rooms many nights.
But two big drawbacks:
1. No real space for clothing or possessions
2. Five to ten days per month required higher prices because of holidays or events.
If I had no possessions, or few articles of clothing, and if I was willing to "chance it" for those 5 to 10 days it could beat paying $1200 a month for a Vegas apartment.
At the end of my run in Atlantic City, I would spend 3 nights a week in casinos, alternating between Borgata, Harrahs, and Taj Mahal. My travel time was 90 minutes each way, so when I got to the level that I was getting free room, I just traveled once and stayed for 3 days. I just didn't enjoy it that much.
Alan, I am surprised this would appeal to you, but to each his own. I mean if you live in Vegas, you have access to casinos as much as you want. Does anyone really need to live there?
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Alan, I am surprised this would appeal to you, but to each his own. I mean if you live in Vegas, you have access to casinos as much as you want. Does anyone really need to live there?
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Kewlj this is the second time I posted something that you misread. I didnt say this appealed to me. I said "I looked into this."
I looked into it after my son and I discussed the rising rents in Vegas during the pandemic and eviction moratorium.
The other time you misread what I posted was about the player at Red Rock who lost $60k and you were surprised I'd bet that much. But in reality I was only at the craps pit to pick up a $15 food comp.
Please read more carefully.
Quote: AlanMendelson
Kewlj this is the second time I posted something that you misread. I didnt say this appealed to me. I said "I looked into this."
I looked into it after my son and I discussed the rising rents in Vegas during the pandemic and eviction moratorium.
Please read more carefully.
Seriously Alan. You are going to get technical with me. If you say you looked into it, it must have appealed to you some what. People don't look into things that they find appalling.
Certainly, has the feel of you nit-picking.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI looked into this and discovered that I could get about 20 free nights per month or at a rate that would beat paying $1200 per month for an apartment and without significant gambling.
Most casinos off the Strip had low or free rooms many nights.
But two big drawbacks:
1. No real space for clothing or possessions
2. Five to ten days per month required higher prices because of holidays or events.
If I had no possessions, or few articles of clothing, and if I was willing to "chance it" for those 5 to 10 days it could beat paying $1200 a month for a Vegas apartment.
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Without getting into too many specifics you could live the life of a high roller and the casinos would do laundry for you. I don’t want to post about it publicly, but there are ways to put in theo you didn’t actually put in there by generating enormous offers that offset the ACTUAL negative EV.
Quote: WABJ11Quote: AlanMendelsonI looked into this and discovered that I could get about 20 free nights per month or at a rate that would beat paying $1200 per month for an apartment and without significant gambling.
Most casinos off the Strip had low or free rooms many nights.
But two big drawbacks:
1. No real space for clothing or possessions
2. Five to ten days per month required higher prices because of holidays or events.
If I had no possessions, or few articles of clothing, and if I was willing to "chance it" for those 5 to 10 days it could beat paying $1200 a month for a Vegas apartment.
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Without getting into too many specifics you could live the life of a high roller and the casinos would do laundry for you. I don’t want to post about it publicly, but there are ways to put in theo you didn’t actually put in there by generating enormous offers that offset the ACTUAL negative EV.
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The casino hotel discounted rates I looked into had nothing to do with offers or play. I just wanted to find off Strip casinos with low rates and I found them-- even casinos that offered free weekday nights.
Quote: kewljQuote: AlanMendelson
Kewlj this is the second time I posted something that you misread. I didnt say this appealed to me. I said "I looked into this."
I looked into it after my son and I discussed the rising rents in Vegas during the pandemic and eviction moratorium.
Please read more carefully.
Seriously Alan. You are going to get technical with me. If you say you looked into it, it must have appealed to you some what. People don't look into things that they find appalling.
Certainly, has the feel of you nit-picking.
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Kewlj you really have it out for me, don't you?
Well, when I'm not looking into things because I'm curious I'm sometimes looking into things to write articles or doing reports for my TV show or website.
Run along now.
Quote: calwatchAlan, if you were willing to buy a room out of town using points or do some light "manufactured spending" (buy Visa/Mastercard gift cards at the store, use said gift cards to pay taxes or buy money orders at Walmart) you could cover those other days fairly cheaply. With Informed Delivery it is less of an issue to be away from the mailbox. The other thing is that the life of a solo gambler could lead some people to a dark place. Thankfully I am not into guns but there are other ways to be self destructive.
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Remind me to take the target off my back the next time I reply to a post.
Quote: AlanMendelson
Kewlj you really have it out for me, don't you?
Not at all Alan. Forgive me for caring, when a 70 year old man, that has shown every sign of problem gambling, talks about giving up his apartment and trying to live at the casinos, so he has more money to gamble with.
Sounds like a super, SUPER fantastic idea. Go for it.
Quote: kewljQuote: AlanMendelson
Kewlj you really have it out for me, don't you?
Not at all Alan. Forgive me for caring, when a 70 year old man, that has shown every sign of problem gambling, talks about giving up his apartment and trying to live at the casinos, so he has more money to gamble with.
Sounds like a super, SUPER fantastic idea. Go for it.
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So you decided not to take the high road?
Quote: unJon
So you decided not to take the high road?
Come on UnJon, it is not a matter of high road or low road or trying to be mean to Alan. The fact is over the years he has demonstrated EVERY sign of a problem gambler. And while we aren't supposed to mention it, he had a grown adult son come to a gambling forum he was on and announce to that forum that Alan had a gambling problem that was affecting relationships with family members, including grandchildren. Are we supposed to pretend that didn't happen?
Honestly, I like Alan and am not trying to be mean to him. I enjoy most of his participation here. But I am shocked and SADDENED that you and others familiar, don't care enough to stand up and at least say thinking of giving up his apartment so he has more money to gamble with is a TERRIBLE idea!
Alan did say he does research on things he doesn't intend to do, which I tend to believe.
Quote: kewljQuote: unJon
So you decided not to take the high road?
Come on UnJon, it is not a matter of high road or low road or trying to be mean to Alan. The fact is over the years he has demonstrated EVERY sign of a problem gambler. And while we aren't supposed to mention it, he had a grown adult son come to a gambling forum he was on and announce to that forum that Alan had a gambling problem that was affecting relationships with family members, including grandchildren. Are we supposed to pretend that didn't happen?
Honestly, I like Alan and am not trying to be mean to him. I enjoy most of his participation here. But I am shocked and SADDENED that you and others familiar, don't care enough to stand up and at least say thinking of giving up his apartment so he has more money to gamble with is a TERRIBLE idea!
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He told you that wasn’t what he was doing. He asked you to drop it twice. This will be my last post on this thread about it but happy to take it to PM if you want to continue.
Quote: SOOPOOI can’t imagine a less enjoyable living situation than rotating between casinos without having a home somewhere.
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Have you ever seen a tent city? Run down weekly hotels?
Anyways, back to Kewlj’s comments about “a place to keep your stuff,” having spent several years on the road, I can assure you not once did I miss any of the “physical stuff” other than the same bed. What you do miss is the difficulty of maintaining relationships and any sense of community with such an atypical lifestyle. You don’t have to spend your time in the casino when you’re not playing or sleeping, I wouldn’t recommend it. Go hiking or something else you enjoy somewhere.
Anyways, I don’t think this is nearly as feasible as it would have been even a decade ago. You know, before video poker was trashed and less consolidation. I think you’d have to move between different casino cities to do it. There’s also blackout dates and what not to be concerned with. As far as Alan’s research, I’d suggest market conditions in the pre vaccine phase of the pandemic would not be representative of the typical cost/ease of getting rooms.
I've done month-long trips where I had to pay for one night because I messed up and missed booking a day in advance.
When I finish my current project, I intend to travel the West, staying in hotels or BnBs along the way.
Quote: ChumpChangeIf the local casino hotel room is $200/night, I'm guessing I'd have to be betting $200/hand at BJ for 4 hours to qualify for a free room. So if I buy-in for $10K, maybe that will last me 4 hours, idk.
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You can find local casino rooms for $30 a night, but away from the Strip. Unlike a BnB you'll have maid service too. And some nights are free with minimal play.
Quote: kewljQuote: unJon
So you decided not to take the high road?
Come on UnJon, it is not a matter of high road or low road or trying to be mean to Alan. The fact is over the years he has demonstrated EVERY sign of a problem gambler. And while we aren't supposed to mention it, he had a grown adult son come to a gambling forum he was on and announce to that forum that Alan had a gambling problem that was affecting relationships with family members, including grandchildren. Are we supposed to pretend that didn't happen?
Honestly, I like Alan and am not trying to be mean to him. I enjoy most of his participation here. But I am shocked and SADDENED that you and others familiar, don't care enough to stand up and at least say thinking of giving up his apartment so he has more money to gamble with is a TERRIBLE idea!
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You forced this again Kewlj.
You dont know me. You never met me.
You brought to this forum an unfortunate situation from another forum.
What I am about to post here is the same thing I posted on another forum.
My son lost his business. He filed for bankruptcy. He was losing his house. I was going thru my own business problems and couldn't give him the money he needed which was in the six figures to settle his problems with banks, vendors and the IRS.
He decided to go on the website in a vicious attack. But I didnt want to throw him under the bus because he was my son so I didnt reveal his personal problems or the health issue with my only grandson.
You and the other members of that forum latched onto what he posted and magnified what he said. It's been repeated years later. It doesnt stop and you dont stop.
My grandson is better. He is my only grandchild.
My son has a new business. He has recovered. He buys $70,000 watches now. Most importantly we've made up and I've forgiven him.
I dont forgive you Kewlj. Unlike you I post under my real name. You continue to libel me. Your intent is to damage me.
If I knew your real name I'd sue you.
I asked a moderator to nuke you. I'm not your only victim.
But when such a person says they "have looked into" giving up their home and possessions to live at casinos so they have more money to gamble, I will always say "that is a terrible idea" and I am disappointed more people won't and aren't stepping up voicing that.
It is fine if you are think you have something to not forgive me for. Don't forgive me. Just PLEASE make good choices and "looking into" giving up your home so you have more money to gamble isn't a good or smart choice for someone your age, medical history and gambling history. The very last thing Las Vegas needs is more people without a home that like to gamble too much.
I will say no more on the subject.
Quote: kewljYou are correct Alan, I don't know you. We haven't met. I know you only from various forums and what you have shared for many years. I am sorry if the "problem Gambler" label stings. From everything you have shared, I can't imagine that everyone here that knows and understands casino gambling hasn't come to a similar conclusion. And that is fine. That is your business.
But when such a person says they "have looked into" giving up their home and possessions to live at casinos so they have more money to gamble, I will always say "that is a terrible idea" and I am disappointed more people won't and aren't stepping up voicing that.
It is fine if you are think you have something to not forgive me for. Don't forgive me. Just PLEASE make good choices and "looking into" giving up your home so you have more money to gamble isn't a good or smart choice for someone your age, medical history and gambling history. The very last thing Las Vegas needs is more people without a home that like to gamble too much.
I will say no more on the subject.
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You cant stop, can you?
Where did I write that I "have looked into" giving up my home and possessions to live at casinos so I will have more money to gamble? That's what you say in your second paragraph above.
You are insulting me, misquoting me, and posting false information.
You need to be stopped.
Quote: kewlj
But when such a person says they "have looked into" giving up their home and possessions to live at casinos so they have more money to gamble, I will always say "that is a terrible idea" and I am disappointed more people won't and aren't stepping up voicing that.
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Sorry, I thought I could resist posting again, but had to respond to this. I reread Alan’s post and don’t see where he said the bold. It really changes the meaning depending on whether he said that or you made it up in your head.
Quote: unJonQuote: kewlj
But when such a person says they "have looked into" giving up their home and possessions to live at casinos so they have more money to gamble, I will always say "that is a terrible idea" and I am disappointed more people won't and aren't stepping up voicing that.
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Sorry, I thought I could resist posting again, but had to respond to this. I reread Alan’s post and don’t see where he said the bold. It really changes the meaning depending on whether he said that or you made it up in your head.
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Thank you for posting this unJon. Moderators please take notice.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: unJonQuote: kewlj
But when such a person says they "have looked into" giving up their home and possessions to live at casinos so they have more money to gamble, I will always say "that is a terrible idea" and I am disappointed more people won't and aren't stepping up voicing that.
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Sorry, I thought I could resist posting again, but had to respond to this. I reread Alan’s post and don’t see where he said the bold. It really changes the meaning depending on whether he said that or you made it up in your head.
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Thank you for posting this unJon. Moderators please take notice.
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Kewlj, PLEASE don’t post anymore in this thread.
Alan, PLEASE don’t post anymore in this thread.
I would also recommend that you two don’t respond AT ALL to each other’s posts.
NOTHING GOOD comes out of you two bickering. But, you two are both valuable members with quite unique perspectives. How about you two NOT make up (it won’t work) but JUST FREAKING IGNORE each other?
Of course I am not comparing living in a tent city or sleazy motel or homelessness to casino hopping. My point is that if one can afford a house or apartment, it is better than casino hopping permanently.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: unJonQuote: kewlj
But when such a person says they "have looked into" giving up their home and possessions to live at casinos so they have more money to gamble, I will always say "that is a terrible idea" and I am disappointed more people won't and aren't stepping up voicing that.
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Sorry, I thought I could resist posting again, but had to respond to this. I reread Alan’s post and don’t see where he said the bold. It really changes the meaning depending on whether he said that or you made it up in your head.
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Thank you for posting this unJon. Moderators please take notice.
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Kewlj, PLEASE don’t post anymore in this thread.
Alan, PLEASE don’t post anymore in this thread.
I would also recommend that you two don’t respond AT ALL to each other’s posts.
NOTHING GOOD comes out of you two bickering. But, you two are both valuable members with quite unique perspectives. How about you two NOT make up (it won’t work) but JUST FREAKING IGNORE each other?
Of course I am not comparing living in a tent city or sleazy motel or homelessness to casino hopping. My point is that if one can afford a house or apartment, it is better than casino hopping permanently.
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That's easy for you to say, but you weren't libeled. I responded to his attack. I didn't start this.
Forgive me for taking your statement at face value rather than hyperbole Soopoo.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: SOOPOOQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: unJonQuote: kewlj
But when such a person says they "have looked into" giving up their home and possessions to live at casinos so they have more money to gamble, I will always say "that is a terrible idea" and I am disappointed more people won't and aren't stepping up voicing that.
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Sorry, I thought I could resist posting again, but had to respond to this. I reread Alan’s post and don’t see where he said the bold. It really changes the meaning depending on whether he said that or you made it up in your head.
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Thank you for posting this unJon. Moderators please take notice.
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Kewlj, PLEASE don’t post anymore in this thread.
Alan, PLEASE don’t post anymore in this thread.
I would also recommend that you two don’t respond AT ALL to each other’s posts.
NOTHING GOOD comes out of you two bickering. But, you two are both valuable members with quite unique perspectives. How about you two NOT make up (it won’t work) but JUST FREAKING IGNORE each other?
Of course I am not comparing living in a tent city or sleazy motel or homelessness to casino hopping. My point is that if one can afford a house or apartment, it is better than casino hopping permanently.
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That's easy for you to say, but you weren't libeled. I responded to his attack. I didn't start this.
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Why do you care what someone on an anonymous message board says?
Quote: AlanMendelsonI care because I'm not anonymous. I have a business. I dont need anonymous posters accusing me of having a gambling problem.
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I'd much rather have anonymous posters accusing me of something than family members.
UnJon has become pretty critical of me on several forums recently. He seems to take issue with everything I say. That is fine. I am a big boy. "Thats what he said" (gender variation of Michael Scott line) LOL. Just saying it hasn't gone unnoticed UnJon.
Mac3200 says "I am wrong in this case".
I just want to be clear. Are both of you (UnJon and Mac3200) going on record saying you think it is a good idea for this person that we know something about because he is a long-term member to give up his home and live at and bounce around between casinos? Give me a break!
Quote: mcallister3200Alan doesn’t get to pretend that he hasn’t done more than his fair share of attacking Kewlj and play mr innocent victim
I've been following the Alan vs kewlj saga for quite some time, and I don't recall Alan ever attacking kewlj.
Previously, when Alan has politely questioned kewlj, kewlj's response has inevitably been to personally attack Alan's character.
In this thread, kewlj launched a libelous personal attack upon Alan, without having been questioned or otherwise addressed by Alan at all.
Quote: billryanQuote: AlanMendelsonI care because I'm not anonymous. I have a business. I dont need anonymous posters accusing me of having a gambling problem.
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I'd much rather have anonymous posters accusing me of something than family members.
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Believe me it was horrible. My son went thru a lot of grief. But a father always loves his son.
Quote: kewlj
Mac3200 says "I am wrong in this case".
I just want to be clear. Are both of you (UnJon and Mac3200) going on record saying you think it is a good idea for this person that we know something about because he is a long-term member to give up his home and live at and bounce around between casinos? Give me a break!
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I prefaced it with “even if.” Therefore I made no judgment of right or wrong with my statement.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI looked into this and discovered that I could get about 20 free nights per month or at a rate that would beat paying $1200 per month for an apartment and without significant gambling.
Most casinos off the Strip had low or free rooms many nights.
But two big drawbacks:
1. No real space for clothing or possessions
2. Five to ten days per month required higher prices because of holidays or events.
If I had no possessions, or few articles of clothing, and if I was willing to "chance it" for those 5 to 10 days it could beat paying $1200 a month for a Vegas apartment.
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The first thing is that I think all parties involved would do best just to drop the direct back-and-forth with one another on this matter, but that said, I don't really see any reason for either participant to avoid this thread entirely. That said, A.M. has apparently reported KewlJ's posts to an Admin, so what's going to happen with that is whatever happens with that.
All of that being said, as relates the present line of discussion, I do not gather from A.M.'s post above that he was actually, "Considering," this...or anything along those lines...and my tendency in my reading of, "I looked into this...," isn't to assume that he meant, "I am considering..."
I interpret, "I looked into," as simply meaning that he investigated it or considered it as a hypothetical. I often use the phrase, "I took a look at," but it doesn't mean that I am actually going to do the thing that I took a look at...it just means I read on it a bit.
A.M. also mentioned drawbacks such as, "No real space for clothing and possessions," and given Alan's long career as a journalist, I should assume that he has plenty of possessions...hence all of the various hypotheticals that he mentioned at the end of his post. I read it as, "This is something I would maybe be willing to contemplate if all of these other things (possessions, clothing, unwillingness to 'chance it') were not already the case."
In conclusion, I think everyone should just leave the direct stuff completely alone, Administration is going to do what it is going to do and I personally interpret A.M.'s post as speaking totally in the theoretical sense.
Quote: kewljAlan, I apologize if I have offended and upset you. It really isn't my intent. My comments would have been exactly the same if it wasn't you. If a new member that I knew nothing about were to come on and say, I am 70 years old, like to play craps and video poker and have looked into giving up my home and possessions to live at and bounce around between casinos....my advice would be "terrible idea...don't do it!".
UnJon has become pretty critical of me on several forums recently. He seems to take issue with everything I say. That is fine. I am a big boy. "Thats what he said" (gender variation of Michael Scott line) LOL. Just saying it hasn't gone unnoticed UnJon.
Mac3200 says "I am wrong in this case".
I just want to be clear. Are both of you (UnJon and Mac3200) going on record saying you think it is a good idea for this person that we know something about because he is a long-term member to give up his home and live at and bounce around between casinos? Give me a break!
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It’s not personal. I enjoy much of what you post and really like reading about your counting stories.
I call things like I see them. If I came across as critical then it was because I thought you were in the wrong in this instance. It’s not more general than that.
Quote: mcallister3200I prefaced it with “even if.” Therefore I made no judgment of right or wrong with my statement.
kewlj used quotation marks...he was quoting you.
Quote: kewljMac3200 says "I was wrong in this case".
He also identified Alan as a person who says they "have looked into" giving up their home and possessions to live at casinos so they have more money to gamble.
Quote: coachbellyQuote: mcallister3200Alan doesn’t get to pretend that he hasn’t done more than his fair share of attacking Kewlj and play mr innocent victim
I've been following the Alan vs kewlj saga for quite some time, and I don't recall Alan ever attacking kewlj.
Previously, when Alan has politely questioned kewlj, kewlj's response has inevitably been to personally attack Alan's character.
In this thread, kewlj launched a libelous personal attack upon Alan, without having been questioned or otherwise addressed by Alan at all.
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Hi coach. No surprise to see you jump in. It is a surprise you didn’t interject a half dozen ridiculous “when did you stop beating your wife” type questions in there though.
Quote: MDawgKewlJ insulted Alan by referring to him as someone who "has demonstrated EVERY sign of a problem gambler." KewlJ should be booted off WOV for a while. KewlJ is constantly going too far with his impassioned meddling into others' affairs.
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The Admins certainly can make their decision without the input of those of us sitting here (including me) in the peanut gallery. If they do take action detrimental to KewlJ, then that is what the Discussion About the Suspension List thread is for. I purposely avoided comment on whether or not KewlJ should be Suspended specifically because I am not an Administrator here and the altercation doesn't involve me, thus making it none of my business what Admin does.
Quote: MDawgKewlJ insulted Alan by referring to him as someone who "has demonstrated EVERY sign of a problem gambler." KewlJ should be booted off WOV for a while. KewlJ is constantly going too far with his impassioned meddling into others' affairs.
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Hello pot, meet kettle.
Anyways....
So the restriction that Kewlj can’t mention Mdawg is a one way restriction? Dawg can attempt to antagonize him as he pleases?
