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November 9th, 2019 at 4:28:32 PM permalink
Considering trying this for an extended period. Like seeing if I could go for a year living out of Las Vegas hotels. Main reason is if I think I could do it a lot cheaper than any other housing. Based on offers I usually see I think it should be possible to do Sunday Ė Thursday for no more than $100 most weeks. Friday and Saturday nights make things tough. Perfectly fine not having a place for a night: take some stimulants and get stuff done Ė gym, shopping, gamble all night, midnight movie, find a Starbucks and catch up on Wizard of Vegas. Could even do that two to three times every week. But consecutive nights without a reasonable place to stay would be tough.

Other than weekend prices, the added fees are just ridiculous. Got a letter in the mail offering me a night at Aria for $29, go online to book a room for a random slow Tuesday to see what will happen and it would cost over $80. Iím sure thatís considered a great value, but not the type of thing Iím looking for. Have an offer from Fiesta that says if I stay one night, second night is free. Would be $62 for two nights. Not bad, but if thatís the very best I can do I may as well stick with the living arrangements Iíve already got. Best standard rates I could find online is the Longhorn at about $31 per night during the week.

Obviously the completely complimentary nights would be the best and what I would be looking for. Unfortunately, I usually use those comped rooms a few times per year and then don't gamble, so they dry up very quickly. Currently only have two completely comped room available (Cannery and Four Queens). Since Iím still a ways away from giving up my current situation, could have some time to Ďreplenishí these offers, but not so sure it would really be all that much without anything close to full-time play Ė which Iím not going to do until itís time to start actually doing this. For starting off without any comps, any ideas on the best way to earn the cheapest places to stay?

On the plus side, I have enough dining comps to eat two meals everyday for about two months Ė and can probably replace the points as fast as I spend them. So eating budget is completely taken care of.

Would obviously like to maintain earning a living. Currently earn only about $500 per month from casinos on part time play. Could easily double that with more hours. Moving past that would take a lot more risk / work than Iíve ever done with casino games. A very flexible workforce opportunity might be great. Would have to be better working conditions than sign spinning for me to bother with it. Have one or two ideas that might work.

Doubtful Iíll try it, but could be a good Vegas-degenerate discussion. Anyone with any ideas, tips, or theories. How would you do it if you were to come up with a plan to live out of Vegas hotels for a year?

Some other thoughts:
-paying less than $100 per year for LVAC, so always have showers available in emergency
-What to do about laundry?
-Laughlin, Mesquite, Pahrum, Primm, should offer some great options
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November 9th, 2019 at 4:47:15 PM permalink
there is a time lag between your 'action' and your room comps.

get a list of places that are acceptable to you.

learn to travel light. don't lug everything with you, ship/mail things to casino convenience centers,

learn travel time but don't sleep on busses or the like.

if you want weekend room comps your weekend action has to merit it.
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November 9th, 2019 at 4:56:20 PM permalink
The hard part will be keeping up enough adt to keep the offers coming. Probably can cycle mgm/czr/stations/boyd once or twice. But after that things will get tough.
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November 9th, 2019 at 5:04:15 PM permalink
I think the real question comes down to what is your bankroll? I would think with a $10k bankroll it would be pretty easy to generate room comps at the locals casinos. Could probably do it with a smaller bankroll but the volatility might catch up with you.
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November 9th, 2019 at 5:23:19 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

get a list of places that are acceptable to you.



Four walls and a bed in Southern Nevada. If it meets that criteria, it probably has a TV and wi-fi.

Quote: FleaStiff

learn to travel light. don't lug everything with you, ship/mail things to casino convenience centers,



A couple weeks worth of clothes in the back seat of the car, nothing much else

Quote: FleaStiff

if you want weekend room comps your weekend action has to merit it.



The Holy Grail: Doing that as cheaply as possible.

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The hard part will be keeping up enough adt to keep the offers coming. Probably can cycle mgm/czr/stations/boyd once or twice. But after that things will get tough.



Absolutely. So how to best the adt (or even just total action / theoretical) high enough? One theory I want to look into is that it requires very little to get discounted rates. I have very low adt, but see decent enough discounts all the time

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I think the real question comes down to what is your bankroll? I would think with a $10k bankroll it would be pretty easy to generate room comps at the locals casinos. Could probably do it with a smaller bankroll but the volatility might catch up with you.



I love hearing that. Let's say it's equal to one year living expenses, including rent/mortgage, food, car, clothes, incidentals. Now, is there a way to eliminate a lot of those expenses from the casinos and then earn a profit on top of that.
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November 9th, 2019 at 6:40:43 PM permalink
You could do it on cruise ships for sure. Last minute deals are killer. I was going to go to Disneyvworld once when I was visiting my son in Georgia. We checked for cruises the next day. $140 for 3 nights, which includes unlimited food and room.

I've since done the same thing in California. I've heard retired people do it as their primary residence. It's cheaper than rent/electricity/water/food, etc. And you get to travel.


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November 9th, 2019 at 6:51:49 PM permalink
you need quality sleep, no bugs, no loud music. Decent showers, decent breakfast.

you might consider those auctions of rooms with a view of the elevator shaft at Southsomething. I think they still open up the booking site four times a year and close it in ten minutes. Twenty dollar rooms but good food and good gambling and good comps.

cars and tires depreciate no matter where you sleep.

electric razor or blades? You might be living like a bum but you can't look like one. Dealers have ankle wallets, you might need to use one too. towellettes, deodorant, etc.
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November 10th, 2019 at 6:00:27 AM permalink
Make some friends that are local that get offers at CET; they make you check in to get the offer. CET waives resort fees for diamond and above I think. I never paid a resort fee ever staying at CET.

MGM however is different. I was a platinum and had to work with the check in person to waive my resort fee. Wasn't worth the hassle so I stopped staying there.

Anyone with a pulse should be getting free rooms at Laughlin. Same for Primm. Dunno about Mesquite or Pahrump. It's like $19 a day in Laughlin on weekdays.

I actually knew a guy downtown that lived out of hotel rooms. He found a laundry place and kept degening on them machines lol.

I dunno what your bankroll is like but play on multiplier days to lessen the cost or bring it to break-even. Try to snipe some progressive slots to get some non VP coin in. Obvious but stick to low-roller joints; you're not likely to get even a weekday comp at the Wynn or something.

Another thing to consider is that if you stay at the casino, you have more accessibility to vulture UX throughout your stay. I made an easy 35 bucks or so on an Ocean Magic at the airport returning from a trip. Competition is fierce tho, I was playing VP at a place and saw like 6 people in a few hours checking the high limit slots for wilds.

Many places with poker rooms have a poker rate I think. It's not free but if you can't find anything else, it might be worthwhile to play for a few hours to satisfy the requirements of the reduced rate. That's assuming you know how to play somewhat well.

If I remember right you're a sports bettor. The only place I know that offers comps for sportsbooks is the South Point, although that might just be for the horsebook. Either way their web site has a listing of how much you need to wager to get a room. As for machines this month they are running the gift card promo (earn $250 in points, get $500 in amazon gift cards). If your bankroll can handle that put in like 10k a day on the NSUD and see what they can do for you through the slot host. You could sell the amazon cards close to 100% of the value.

TBH if you check the big progressives in town (5k must hit bys and such) you could sell the action to someone with the condition your card will be used. I'm not sure on the specifics but slot play > video poker play for the most part.
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November 10th, 2019 at 10:43:55 AM permalink
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You could do it on cruise ships for sure. Last minute deals are killer. I was going to go to Disneyvworld once when I was visiting my son in Georgia. We checked for cruises the next day. $140 for 3 nights, which includes unlimited food and room.



Cheapest I see out of California is over $300 for four nights. I'm sure stuff like parking and other fees might add to it. A great vacation, especially if split two ways. Great retirement. Not a great fit for what I'm looking for for living arrangements, but definitely worth keeping an eye on.

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Anyone with a pulse should be getting free rooms at Laughlin. Same for Primm. Dunno about Mesquite or Pahrump. It's like $19 a day in Laughlin on weekdays.



Used to get lots of good offers from Mesquite. But then I went three times earlier this year just for shows and to go to Utah, no gambling, so I'll be digging out of a hole there, but do know it can be done. Just checked out Laughlin, which has standard week rooms starting at $25, taxes and resort fees included. So that could be the best place of all. Primm has less competition and starts at $40. Too bad Gold Strike in Jean changed owners, that was $15 per weeknight for everything with only about $1,000 in action per day. That was before the tax increase, though. These stadium taxes are definitely noticeable, and it has to be effecting some people's decision to visit or their length of stay.

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If I remember right you're a sports bettor. The only place I know that offers comps for sportsbooks is the South Point, although that might just be for the horsebook. Either way their web site has a listing of how much you need to wager to get a room. As for machines this month they are running the gift card promo (earn $250 in points, get $500 in amazon gift cards). If your bankroll can handle that put in like 10k a day on the NSUD and see what they can do for you through the slot host. You could sell the amazon cards close to 100% of the value.



I usually think of South Point as the best place for treating the ~99-100% VP players. The gift card promotion is essentially 2x points. Cool that it's everyday, otherwise only ok.

As an exercise, let's say I play 99.7% deuces wild with 0.3% cashback at $5 per hand. What bankroll would be sufficient to play $10,000 every day for one month? How about with 0.6% cashback?

Stations is giving 0.1%+ back on their sports app. I'm looking for that to help easily cover all dining costs. They also mail me credit card offers, looks ok, but not as good as I would like. If if was a bit stronger with the status credits and higher levels got better hotel discounts, could probably live there pretty easily. I know of MLife Mastercard, any other casino credit cards to check out?

Poker is a no-go for me, but blackjack is a likely option, just have to be willing to study the game again.

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TBH if you check the big progressives in town (5k must hit bys and such) you could sell the action to someone with the condition your card will be used. I'm not sure on the specifics but slot play > video poker play for the most part.



One way to make it work is to be really good at casino games. The other is to have some really good connections. I'm at the bottom in both, but not looking to attempt anything like this until middle of next year, so quite a bit of time to figure things out if I decide to go this route
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November 10th, 2019 at 11:43:40 AM permalink
It's an interesting hypothetical. I'm sure a lot of us have entertained the idea. Especially if you like to travel, for work or fun. I pay for an empty apartment for probably 2 months a year at this point.

It might be cheating, but I'd consider DJ's angle of getting offers from friends. In some cases, they might just give you a room, particularly if you are in a pinch. But you might also be able to work out arrangements so that you aren't imposing on them via the hassle of checking in. I'm sure plenty of people get more rooms than they want, but would trade it for food.

It could easily be at the same place. Perhaps there is a play at Pirate Joe's Crazy Gamblin Saloonery that gives you a $75 food comp and 2 free nights every two weeks. If you* used your food comp on a dinner with me, it would certainly be a fair exchange for me to walk 80 feet to the front desk and use my rooms, then hand you the keys.

* Not you per se. But some hypothetical person I might actually enjoy having dinner with.***

Or maybe you say to somebody, "Hey I found this play worth x and I'll show it to you, I just ask that you let me use your rooms."

but, at the end of the day, I'm not sure how much you'd really save vs. a cheap living situation like renting a modest room in someone's house. If you just want 4 walls, TV and internet, you can get it pretty cheaply.

It would take a lot of time and energy to keep track of and plan all the offers. You have to check in and travel. There is a significant cost just driving to places like Laughlin. You're going to have to do all this while doing things like handling your mail via a P.O. box and constantly packing. Not only paying for but traveling to laundromats and sitting around with your thumb up your butt while the machines run. To save, what, $600/mo?

Just for example, at Bally's poker room, you get $1/hr in comps and 17 tier credits/hr. If you play 4 hours you get a free buffet at Paris. 15 hours every 2 weeks gets you into a free roll that's worth about $250-300 for a competent player. (The regs are hilarious nits, which damages the cash games but makes the tourney very easy) 18 hours gives you a bigger starting stack.

The games are so so and they rake for the promo, though it's heavily subsidized by tourists. So let's say you make $10/hr in the games, which is not a very lofty goal.

You play 4 sessions every 2 week period totaling 18 hours. 36 hours a month = $360. 2 freerolls = $500. 8 free buffets at a pretty good buffetery. 612 teir credits a month, which gets you half way to diamond. $36 in comps.

Playing poker is also probably more fun and less draining than running around checking into hotels, taking showers at gyms, doing laundry and making spreadsheets of room offers and so forth.

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November 10th, 2019 at 12:08:48 PM permalink
I say spend the time you're wasting looking for and playing for free food and comped rooms, checking in checking out moving around etc, and use that time to find good plays where you can actually make a decent living.
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November 10th, 2019 at 12:28:09 PM permalink
I would imagine finding more "normal" living arrangements would be ideal. This sounds awful.
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November 10th, 2019 at 1:14:04 PM permalink
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It would take a lot of time and energy to keep track of and plan all the offers. You have to check in and travel. There is a significant cost just driving to places like Laughlin. You're going to have to do all this while doing things like handling your mail via a P.O. box and constantly packing. Not only paying for but traveling to laundromats and sitting around with your thumb up your butt while the machines run. To save, what, $600/mo?



It wouldn't necessarily be hauling off to Laughlin because they have a "free" room for two nights and machine that is worth $5 per hour. It would more like driving to Laughlin, because they have a room available and they have a beach and I can check out what games they have and maybe find something good. I do have a Prius, so that helps. And whenever I do burnout, I can just stop doing it

Mail is something I hadn't given enough thought to. Aren't most casino offers now coming electronically in addition to mailings? Maybe I could just do it this way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hox-ni8geIw
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November 10th, 2019 at 2:14:28 PM permalink
Mail services and mail forwarding would be important.

Look for fluffnfold or valet stuff.
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November 10th, 2019 at 3:04:03 PM permalink
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You could do it on cruise ships for sure. Last minute deals are killer. I was going to go to Disneyvworld once when I was visiting my son in Georgia. We checked for cruises the next day. $140 for 3 nights, which includes unlimited food and room.

I've since done the same thing in California. I've heard retired people do it as their primary residence. It's cheaper than rent/electricity/water/food, etc. And you get to travel.


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It can be done, and people do it, but it's more expensive than you think. You need to pay for the room, which you can get on the cheap with last minute deals. You also have to pay the daily government fees, etc. The food is free, as is the pool and other amenities, but gambling, booze, and excursions have to be paid for.

There's a man who's known as Super Mario who has lived on Royal Carribbean for over 6000 days. He's on YouTube and says that it costs about 100K a year.
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November 10th, 2019 at 3:28:00 PM permalink
Maybe I missed it, but WHY do you want to do this? To prove you can do it? I like traveling and staying in a hotel but after a week or so I want to be back in my own bed. I don't want to eat out every day for months.
Is it to AP and try and save money up to eventually find a stable living arrangement?

As far as living on those big cruise ships..... NO THANKS! Give me a week.....
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November 10th, 2019 at 4:20:46 PM permalink
I comp hopped for 9 weeks back in late 2013 with my diamond card and comps from the Venetian. I didnít pay for a room or resort fees once. It sucked having to move every 3 days (Venetian) or 5 days (caesars properties). I disliked it so much that I just got a condo for $565 a month because it was nice to be able to stay in one place, unpack and go grocery shopping. I could have continued to comp hop for probably at least one more month but the $565 a month was more than worth the things I just listed.
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November 10th, 2019 at 5:03:37 PM permalink
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Maybe I missed it, but WHY do you want to do this? To prove you can do it? I like traveling and staying in a hotel but after a week or so I want to be back in my own bed. I don't want to eat out every day for months.
Is it to AP and try and save money up to eventually find a stable living arrangement?

As far as living on those big cruise ships..... NO THANKS! Give me a week.....



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I comp hopped for 9 weeks back in late 2013 with my diamond card and comps from the Venetian. I didnít pay for a room or resort fees once. It sucked having to move every 3 days (Venetian) or 5 days (caesars properties). I disliked it so much that I just got a condo for $565 a month because it was nice to be able to stay in one place, unpack and go grocery shopping. I could have continued to comp hop for probably at least one more month but the $565 a month was more than worth the things I just listed.



The Why is definitely an important question.

PG reminds me of about 10 years ago doing a month long road trip where I was in and out of hotels, sleeping in the car, crashing on a few couches. Had a great time. Now I can replace that 1,000 miles of driving every week with time at the pool, the gym, the library. It could approximate very closely the lifestyle I would have with a cheap studio anyway. So instead of Why? I'm asking myself Why Not? Only answer I can come up with is to try it until I have a good reason for Why Not. Then I stop doing it.

When I travel and stay in hotel rooms, I usually prefer grocery stores to restaurants, so can still do that even without a house or apartment
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November 10th, 2019 at 5:15:00 PM permalink
I think a lot of little things add up. Even if you never pay for parking, the time and hassle of using a giant lot every day.

Stuck in a hotel, you need asperin or a coffee and just say screw it and pay up. It's a 10 minute walk each way.

You get a huge comped meal. The leftovers should make 2 more meals but you don't have a fridge.

You want to sleep in but check out is 11am.

On the other hand, no cleaning or house work.
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November 10th, 2019 at 6:04:00 PM permalink
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You want to sleep in but check out is 11am.



You young people astound me. I don't think I have slept past 6am in many years. Of course, I am usually in bed by 9:30pm.
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November 10th, 2019 at 6:48:52 PM permalink
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On the other hand, no cleaning or house work.

No cleaning or housework either if you live in your own ultra-cheap place and hire a maid with less effort than scheduling all these comps.
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November 11th, 2019 at 8:35:49 AM permalink
Any dirty laundry you have can easily be washed in a hotel bathroom sink, shower, or tub. Just make sure you have enough clothes to cycle through so you have stuff to wear while other stuff is drying.
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November 11th, 2019 at 11:46:03 AM permalink
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Any dirty laundry you have can easily be washed in a hotel bathroom sink, shower, or tub. Just make sure you have enough clothes to cycle through so you have stuff to wear while other stuff is drying.

It is always cheaper to delegate such tasks or else buy new clothes rather then endure the drudgery of such a task, particularly under time critical circumstances.
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November 11th, 2019 at 2:24:01 PM permalink
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It is always cheaper to delegate such tasks or else buy new clothes rather then endure the drudgery of such a task, particularly under time critical circumstances.



This isn't a time critical circumstance, though.

Washing a pair of socks, underwear, and a t-shirt in the sink at the end of the day and putting it out to dry takes all of 10 minutes, if even that.
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November 11th, 2019 at 2:52:49 PM permalink
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You young people astound me. I don't think I have slept past 6am in many years. Of course, I am usually in bed by 9:30pm.



Tell me about it. On friday I tood wife that I am staying up super late.. you know like 11 so that I could try to sleep in. Fell asleep on the couch before 10 and was up before 5. Grrr.

I guess that means I had a successful day if I used all of my energy that I crashed.
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November 11th, 2019 at 2:59:53 PM permalink
I enjoy a random sleep schedule. After 6 hours or so I'm good to go though.
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November 11th, 2019 at 3:09:54 PM permalink
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I enjoy a random sleep schedule. After 6 hours or so I'm good to go though.



Same. When I do sleep 8+ hours I feel awesome. And I've read many things about how important it is.

However, there's not much I can do. After 6 hours I'm up.

Those 6 hours could take place just about any time. However, I'm at my best at night and enjoy night time.
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November 11th, 2019 at 3:16:09 PM permalink
What I'm saying is, laundry is the easiest chore there is if you have machines in the home.

I actually enjoy doing it. I like the sounds.

Whether you are washing your underwear in a hotel sink by hand every day, or paying someone else to do it* that's a bunch of time and energy over the course of a month, when you could be spending 5 mins of time a week doing laundry at home.

Throw clothes in washer, do something else. Throw clothes in drier. Do something else.


*In Vegas, I don't even know if there are places that will just do normal laundry you drop off, not dry cleaers. If there are, you'll have to drive to and from and I can't imagine it's that cheap.
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November 11th, 2019 at 3:21:36 PM permalink
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*In Vegas, I don't even know if there are places that will just do normal laundry you drop off, not dry cleaers. If there are, you'll have to drive to and from and I can't imagine it's that cheap.



There are, I pay $1 a pound for washing, drying, and folding when the wife is slacking.
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November 11th, 2019 at 4:06:22 PM permalink
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There are, I pay $1 a pound for washing, drying, and folding when the wife is slacking.



That sounds like alot.
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November 11th, 2019 at 4:23:51 PM permalink
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That sounds like alot.



It may be, I have never shopped it. I would estimate that it averages out to about $5 a load. Well worth it to me when I have 6 loads to do. Besides, I am terrible at folding clothes.
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November 11th, 2019 at 4:33:48 PM permalink
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It may be, I have never shopped it. I would estimate that it averages out to about $5 a load. Well worth it to me when I have 6 loads to do. Besides, I am terrible at folding clothes.



$5 a load doesn't sound bad. I was thinking a load weighed like 20 pounds or something.
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November 11th, 2019 at 4:54:41 PM permalink
The Google machine says a man's clothes typically weigh 2.5 pounds. This is what you're supposed to take off your weight if you step on a scale. Shoes not included.

So cost will depend on things like how many times you wear pants. But, $30/mo seems conservative.
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November 11th, 2019 at 8:47:25 PM permalink
I've been dropping my laundry off since I moved. Closest place charges eighty cents a pound but I wasn't happy with them. Place I'm currently using cost $1.25 a pound but does great work. I pretty much am just wearing a t-shirt and shorts almost everyday so ten dollars goes a long way. I'm not sure when the weather changes here.
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November 12th, 2019 at 12:45:44 AM permalink
Assuming you have a working washer and dryer at home I find it ridiculous one would have their stuff laundered. Dropping it off and picking up seems like a pain in the ass.



Of course, I'm definitely down with one of these.


P.S. what do you do if your washer and dryer stops working? Tell her to get but lazy ass back to work. 😁
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November 12th, 2019 at 7:39:19 AM permalink
The only downside to trying this is if you give up a nice place to try it. I imagine you have "stuff" that you can't keep in your car or bring with you to every hotel room so you probably need a storage unit. Many places give 50% off the first month or two so they can be pretty cheap if willing to move around.
I'd suggest getting an out of state I'd, and a mail drop as out of state players seem to get more room offers.
Resort fees are a new factor that I didn't deal with when I'd come out for three weeks to a month.
I think I stayed 32 nights the one year, paying only for a single Saturday night because I didn't want to do the roundtrip to Laughlin for a night. That was around 2008/9, when avoiding resort fees was much easier.
If you are unhappy with your current living situations, what do you have to do lose? If you get sick of it after a week or a month, you call off the experiment.
I personally don't think it's worth the hassle but it can be done.
Try it.
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November 12th, 2019 at 8:29:51 AM permalink
That's a good point, Bill. If nothing else, it could be an interesting experience.

Also, Tom is a good writer. I wouldn't be surprised if he could find a place, perhaps somewhere in the company, Mike works for, to sell articles about the experience. I think it would be interesting reading and the interest in the thread supports that. As I said before, I think a lot of people have entertained the idea.

I've dabbled in freelance writing and hosting my own sites and gambling content is remarkably easy to get paid for compared to every other subject, as the publishers actually make money. I'd be quite surprised if you couldn't get $25 a pop for a weekly blog on this. It has the potential to go viral. If not full blown AIDS viral, it would still be legitimate way to generate incoming links from places like this forum, which are gold (that's why this place is so spammed). it is "evergreen" content, meaning it would still be interesting to read years from now.

If I were Michael Bluejay, I'd be quite happy to pay to host the blog. If no Mikes are interested, you'd find a home somewhere.
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November 12th, 2019 at 8:53:27 AM permalink
I think this would be more easily achievable if you were able/willing to combine Reno and Vegas, go back and forth maybe every four weeks mid month to get end of month/beginning of month offers each place.

Thereís a gwae episode from probably 7ish years ago of WoV member Tedys doing something like this for several months I listened to it a few times years ago when I was considering doing a similar thing, I think the marketing of the places mentioned has tightened a bit or specifics have changed since then but still an interesting listen.
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November 12th, 2019 at 8:57:38 AM permalink
Idon't think you can realisticly go into this with the thought you can quit after a month. The truth is you won't even know for some time what kinds of offers you are going to generate. It often takes 60 to 90 days for the offers to start coming in after you begin your play at a casino.
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November 12th, 2019 at 9:07:26 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

I think this would be more easily achievable if you were able/willing to combine Reno and Vegas, go back and forth maybe every four weeks mid month to get end of month/beginning of month offers each place.

Thereís a gwae episode from probably 7ish years ago of WoV member Tedys doing something like this for several months I listened to it a few times years ago when I was considering doing a similar thing, I think the marketing of the places mentioned has tightened a bit or specifics have changed since then but still an interesting listen.



That's precisely why you could probably get a couple casino groups to sponsor you. Show them what they're doing wrong and where they need to tighten up.
Or, you could just go find plays, keep your mouth shut, and make multiple times more for years. Until someone foolish comes along and decides to open their mouth for a pittance of the value they could have realized.
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November 12th, 2019 at 1:28:14 PM permalink
Ran into a guy at Golden Nugget last time I was in Vegas. He showed up at about 10:00 AM at a $10 blackjack table, played green for about an hour or so, moved on. Mentioned that he was staying "full time" at the GN and had just moved from somewhere else because they were not giving him the deal he was accustomed to. Spoke to the dealer like they were on familiar terms and compared notes with him about spreads on upcoming pro games, like he was a "full time" sports bettor.

Saw the guy two days in a row, same table, same seat, same time. At that time of day it's casual walk-throughs and tourists coming or going to breakfast or a day outdoors. This guy was not one of those.. Mid seventies? Quiet observer-type happy to walk away with what looked like +$200 or so for an hour's work. Played right all the time. Did not count.

A role model if ever I saw one.
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November 12th, 2019 at 2:48:36 PM permalink
Quote: racquet

Quiet observer-type happy to walk away with what looked like +$200 or so for an hour's work. Played right all the time. Did not count.

By 'right' do you mean perfect strategy? I thought that even with perfect strategy the house still won from time to time.

At that hour of the morning with only occasional other players, 100 hands is reasonable,
playing green at a low limit table would mean $2500.00 an hour, yet you claim he was always in the plus column.
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November 12th, 2019 at 6:55:14 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

By 'right' do you mean perfect strategy? I thought that even with perfect strategy the house still won from time to time.

At that hour of the morning with only occasional other players, 100 hands is reasonable,
playing green at a low limit table would mean $2500.00 an hour, yet you claim he was always in the plus column.



He claimed he saw him twice. Flea, substituting the word 'always' for 'twice' is a bit of a stretch.
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November 12th, 2019 at 8:17:44 PM permalink
I think a lot of people have this thought, they wonder why they are paying rent or a mortgage when they are rarely home. It's a fantasy, living like this is very inconvenient and has it's own expenses. Just doing laundry is going to be a pain, etc. No such thing as a low cost, home-cooked meal, etc., and from my experience, women do not want this life, so difficult maintaining a relationship or forming one.
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November 12th, 2019 at 9:03:29 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

He claimed he saw him twice. Flea, substituting the word 'always' for 'twice' is a bit of a stretch.

I interpreted the post as being Seventy year old, chatty sportsbettor type commented that he lived at the Golden Nugget because of his blackjack action of which two sessions had been observed by poster Raquet.

Perhaps your interpretation was 'Sportsbettor commented he lived at the GN because of the totality of his "Action" consisting of 2 observed blackjack sessions and an unknown amount of presumed Sportsbook action, none of which was observed by poster Racqet.
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November 13th, 2019 at 1:29:29 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I interpreted the post as being Seventy year old, chatty sportsbettor type commented that he lived at the Golden Nugget because of his blackjack action of which two sessions had been observed by poster Raquet.

Perhaps your interpretation was 'Sportsbettor commented he lived at the GN because of the totality of his "Action" consisting of 2 observed blackjack sessions and an unknown amount of presumed Sportsbook action, none of which was observed by poster Racqet.

the truth is the dude spun some yarn and Racqet believe him . It's amazing what little evidence we need to think something is true.

Almost anybody you'll ever talk to will always tell you they have a brother/ uncle/ cousin/ father / best friend that's a professional gambler. The sad part is... those people telling you that actually believe it.
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November 13th, 2019 at 3:11:02 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I think a lot of people have this thought, they wonder why they are paying rent or a mortgage when they are rarely home. It's a fantasy, living like this is very inconvenient and has it's own expenses. Just doing laundry is going to be a pain, etc. No such thing as a low cost, home-cooked meal, etc., and from my experience, women do not want this life, so difficult maintaining a relationship or forming one.



Darn women. They ruin everything. Just try getting one to live in your car with you.
On the other hand, not paying for things like an apartment and groceries gives you mo' money to spend on them.
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November 13th, 2019 at 4:46:22 AM permalink
If a guy could make a decent hourly AND get free meals and housing for free then I'm all for it if you enjoy living in hotel rooms. But if you're spending most of your time just playing to earn food and housing that doesn't sound like a good situation to me.

Personally, I think I'd rather live out of a fully self-contained RV.
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November 13th, 2019 at 8:32:45 AM permalink
Some downsides, I think some already discussed:

- Laundry would be a total pain in the ass.
- No fridge means it's hard to keep left overs. Also likely no stove and whatnot so if you're used to cooking and eating healthily, well that's kinda out of the window. Everything will pretty much be casino food for the most part.
- Checking in/out when required wouldn't be great. Especially if you just want to lounge around that day and don't have a room between 11am and 4pm.
- You don't have much "stuff". You'd just have a suitcase or two likely with mostly clothes, I'd imagine. If you have some kinds of hobbies, that could be difficult to keep doing. It's not like you can just pack up your toy trains, model airplanes, and funko pop collection from one hotel to the next. Same for all of those My Little Pony "action figures".
- Hotel wifi sucks a lot of time. TV isn't great either.
- Ya may lose a bunch of crap in hotel rooms when you check out and leave something behind. Although you'd probably get used to do the routine "pack everything up" after a little while.
- Holy crap my neighbor's dog is barking for some random reason. It's a low howl, perhaps a murmur. Not sure exactly what a murmur is, but I think that qualifies.
- Ya gotta keep hustling around. If ya get sick or just want to relax for a few days, you can't really do that. I'd hate to be sick and have to sleep in my car for a night or two.
- Idk what your bankroll is, but if you run bad for a while, it could be bad news bears. Idk what your backup options are, but that's a necessity I think. If ya blow your roll or a large portion of it, you don't want to end up in a situation where you can't get an apartment because you have no job (and also not have a job) and then pretty much going homeless n stuff w/o any money.
- Monkey wrenches always get thrown into the mix. Crap happens. You can have a wonderful plan on paper and then it fails because <reasons>.
- W T F that damn dog is still going at it. Bro, just relax. I hope it's a dog, at least.
- Mail can be kinda weird. Ya don't want to be in January playing all month long at a place while getting good offers and then in February your offers get cut drastically. Scheduling isn't super easy either, especially if you start adding in Pahrump, Laughlin, Mesquite, and/or Primm.


However, I still think it'd be kinda fun to do. Not that I have any plans or aspirations to do this kinda thing, but it definitely would be interesting. Although it seems a little too close to camping for me.

I'd definitely get a gym membership not only for showering but also working out (not that I work out, but I would!), a blanket or two in the car and perhaps a pillow for sleeping. Tinted windows to 5% so randos don't see you sleeping. It's hard to see out of them at night so make sure you have power windows or at least make YOLO turns. Before going on this adventure find out which casinos have what games -- high % VP games for generating comps as well as vulturables. Start generating comps obviously before going out to do this. Find out what kinda promos they run and if they're liberal with comps, mail, and/or promotions.
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November 13th, 2019 at 10:16:01 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Personally, I think I'd rather live out of a fully self-contained RV.

An attractive idea but you ever try parking one of them things anywhere near the Strip? Blink your eyes and a yellow boot shows up like magic. At least get one of those height warning thigamajigs. My SUV suffered grieviously when a car wash worker drove into the "caution Low Clearance" sign.
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