Celebrity Deaths
February 19th, 2026 at 9:46:50 AM
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February 19th, 2026 at 9:47:05 AM
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Quote: SOOPOOBrian Hoyer’s sister in law passed on. Leaves behind Hoyer’s brother and 4 young daughters. Brian Hoyer made a drop under $50,000,000, just in NFL salary. I remember him from a few commercials as well. So what does he do? HE STARTS A GO FUND ME for his brother!
Sickening.
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Around here, we remember him as Tom Brady's backup.
I am of two minds on this. A death of a parent of young children is certainly gofundme worthy. And Brian Hoyer's money is his money alone and certainly not for anyone else to spend for him. I stay out his wallet and he stays out of mine.And the ask is only $100K.
But he can write a check for that and barely feel it long term.
February 19th, 2026 at 9:55:24 AM
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Quote: billryanMishandling a draw from a shoulder holster can result in firing into your armpit, especially a quick draw.
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A question I haven't heard asked or answered yet is if he was carrying lawfully. NYC isn't very enthusiastic about the Second Amendment and last I heard only a few hundred people had a carry permit. And you had to be somebody really important to get one, like an actor, or some similar profession with a reputation for good judgment and clean living. Was he licensed to carry and if he wasn't, why would the gun be in a holster he was wearing?
February 19th, 2026 at 10:17:05 AM
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Getting a full concealed carry permit is hard, but celebrity status can help. There are other pistol permits one can get that are easier to obtain. He might have a premises permit, which means he can have a weapon in his home, or he might have a target permit, which allows him to possess a pistol and carry it on his way to or from a firing range. NYC has a number of 24-hour ranges, just for this purpose. One can also get a gun permit by volunteering with a number of organizations that are designated by NYPD.
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February 19th, 2026 at 10:25:20 AM
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Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanMishandling a draw from a shoulder holster can result in firing into your armpit, especially a quick draw.
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A question I haven't heard asked or answered yet is if he was carrying lawfully. NYC isn't very enthusiastic about the Second Amendment and last I heard only a few hundred people had a carry permit. And you had to be somebody really important to get one, like an actor, or some similar profession with a reputation for good judgment and clean living. Was he licensed to carry and if he wasn't, why would the gun be in a holster he was wearing?
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You haven't been in the loop for a while, then.NYC lost at SCOTUS about permits, so things have loosened up quite a bit since.
February 19th, 2026 at 10:40:11 AM
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Quote: billryanGetting a full concealed carry permit is hard, but celebrity status can help. There are other pistol permits one can get that are easier to obtain. He might have a premises permit, which means he can have a weapon in his home, or he might have a target permit, which allows him to possess a pistol and carry it on his way to or from a firing range. NYC has a number of 24-hour ranges, just for this purpose. One can also get a gun permit by volunteering with a number of organizations that are designated by NYPD.
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OK right, but only with an actual carry permit, where you are walking down the street with one ready to shoot, would you have it loaded and in a holster. Ranges are generally suspicious of holsters, and the one I go to in Vegas does not allow draw from a holster after someone shot himself in the private parts. They want to see it come out of a case and laid on the table.
February 19th, 2026 at 10:45:26 AM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanMishandling a draw from a shoulder holster can result in firing into your armpit, especially a quick draw.
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A question I haven't heard asked or answered yet is if he was carrying lawfully. NYC isn't very enthusiastic about the Second Amendment and last I heard only a few hundred people had a carry permit. And you had to be somebody really important to get one, like an actor, or some similar profession with a reputation for good judgment and clean living. Was he licensed to carry and if he wasn't, why would the gun be in a holster he was wearing?
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You haven't been in the loop for a while, then.NYC lost at SCOTUS about permits, so things have loosened up quite a bit since.
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That is true, and NYC has converted the target permit to a type of special carry license. I had a friend in the licensing department of NYPD who told me how easy it was to deny applications. He's ten years retired now.
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February 19th, 2026 at 10:47:54 AM
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Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanGetting a full concealed carry permit is hard, but celebrity status can help. There are other pistol permits one can get that are easier to obtain. He might have a premises permit, which means he can have a weapon in his home, or he might have a target permit, which allows him to possess a pistol and carry it on his way to or from a firing range. NYC has a number of 24-hour ranges, just for this purpose. One can also get a gun permit by volunteering with a number of organizations that are designated by NYPD.
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OK right, but only with an actual carry permit, where you are walking down the street with one ready to shoot, would you have it loaded and in a holster. Ranges are generally suspicious of holsters, and the one I go to in Vegas does not allow draw from a holster after someone shot himself in the private parts. They want to see it come out of a case and laid on the table.
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There were ranges in NYC that were open 24 hours only because they allowed their members to effectively carry 24 hours. That may have changed.
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February 19th, 2026 at 11:37:35 AM
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Quote: billryanMishandling a draw from a shoulder holster can result in firing into your armpit, especially a quick draw.
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My daughter was the Junior National champion at Quickdraw. Thankfully, she did not use a shoulder holster.
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February 19th, 2026 at 12:10:07 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: billryanMishandling a draw from a shoulder holster can result in firing into your armpit, especially a quick draw.
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My daughter was the Junior National champion at Quickdraw. Thankfully, she did not use a shoulder holster.
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Between Old Tucson and two steakhouse/old west village complexes, there are over 100 quick-draw artists employed in Tucson. I've no idea what level they are. I'm pretty sure all the events are staged so that ability isn't important.
Arizona is open carry, but I can't think of the last time I saw a civilian with a shoulder holster.
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February 19th, 2026 at 12:17:35 PM
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Nobody seems to remember that Robert Duvall played the Frank Burns character in the original Mash movie. This was before The Godfather so he wasn't famous yet.
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February 19th, 2026 at 7:38:33 PM
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Quote: darkozPeter Greene's death has been ruled accidental.
He shot himself.
In the armpit.
Most likely removing his gun from holster is what I understand. It's happened before because of the angle the gun sits in the shoulder holster.
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He died from an armpit gunshot? 🤨😱😳 YIKES! 😱😳 I didn't think you could die from an armpit gunshot! 😱😳 A Woman accidentally died because she inexplicably chose to look into the gun while accidentally pulling the trigger or something like that. An actor died because he "jokingly," put a gun that was supposed to be filled with blanks to his head honestly expecting to be fine.
The gun inexplicably had REAL bullets instead of blanks, not unlike the infamous Rust movie scandal when Alec Baldwin was told that the gun only had blanks in it, he pulled the trigger for a scene in the movie (The scene was supposed to look like Alec's character was "Shooting," the audience) and it inexplicably had a a real bullet instead of a blank.
The gunshot went right through a crew member and ended up landing in a producer that was right behind the crew member and she died. The crew member that the bullet hit first was rushed to the hospital and luckily survived.
The Actor who "jokingly," put the gun that was supposed to be full of blanks died when it inexplicably had REAL bullets in it. His death was ruled as accidental because he fully was expecting to be fine, not die.
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February 20th, 2026 at 3:27:11 AM
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Quote: NathanQuote: darkozPeter Greene's death has been ruled accidental.
He shot himself.
In the armpit.
Most likely removing his gun from holster is what I understand. It's happened before because of the angle the gun sits in the shoulder holster.
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He died from an armpit gunshot? 🤨😱😳 YIKES! 😱😳 I didn't think you could die from an armpit gunshot! 😱😳 A Woman accidentally died because she inexplicably chose to look into the gun while accidentally pulling the trigger or something like that. An actor died because he "jokingly," put a gun that was supposed to be filled with blanks to his head honestly expecting to be fine.
The gun inexplicably had REAL bullets instead of blanks, not unlike the infamous Rust movie scandal when Alec Baldwin was told that the gun only had blanks in it, he pulled the trigger for a scene in the movie (The scene was supposed to look like Alec's character was "Shooting," the audience) and it inexplicably had a a real bullet instead of a blank.
The gunshot went right through a crew member and ended up landing in a producer that was right behind the crew member and she died. The crew member that the bullet hit first was rushed to the hospital and luckily survived.
The Actor who "jokingly," put the gun that was supposed to be full of blanks died when it inexplicably had REAL bullets in it. His death was ruled as accidental because he fully was expecting to be fine, not die.
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You got it wrong about the actor who died when he jokingly shot himself with a blank. The gun did NOT have a real bullet. It was a genuine blank.
Blanks still fire and are propelled outward at incredible speed. The "blank" part is they have no gunpowder. Without gunpowder they are just being propelled fast but after two feet or so they fall harmlessly to the ground. He died FROM THE BLANK at such close range.
On the film set of The Crow, Bruce Lee's son Brandon Lee died from a combo blank/bullet. The film-makers didn't have blanks and were on location in South Carolina. So the prop guy cracked open live bullets and dumped out the gunpowder to make faux blanks. He missed just a tiny bit of residue, enough to propel the bullet at speed though Brandon.
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February 20th, 2026 at 10:54:35 AM
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Quote: darkozQuote: NathanQuote: darkozPeter Greene's death has been ruled accidental.
He shot himself.
In the armpit.
Most likely removing his gun from holster is what I understand. It's happened before because of the angle the gun sits in the shoulder holster.
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He died from an armpit gunshot? 🤨😱😳 YIKES! 😱😳 I didn't think you could die from an armpit gunshot! 😱😳 A Woman accidentally died because she inexplicably chose to look into the gun while accidentally pulling the trigger or something like that. An actor died because he "jokingly," put a gun that was supposed to be filled with blanks to his head honestly expecting to be fine.
The gun inexplicably had REAL bullets instead of blanks, not unlike the infamous Rust movie scandal when Alec Baldwin was told that the gun only had blanks in it, he pulled the trigger for a scene in the movie (The scene was supposed to look like Alec's character was "Shooting," the audience) and it inexplicably had a a real bullet instead of a blank.
The gunshot went right through a crew member and ended up landing in a producer that was right behind the crew member and she died. The crew member that the bullet hit first was rushed to the hospital and luckily survived.
The Actor who "jokingly," put the gun that was supposed to be full of blanks died when it inexplicably had REAL bullets in it. His death was ruled as accidental because he fully was expecting to be fine, not die.
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You got it wrong about the actor who died when he jokingly shot himself with a blank. The gun did NOT have a real bullet. It was a genuine blank.
Blanks still fire and are propelled outward at incredible speed. The "blank" part is they have no gunpowder. Without gunpowder they are just being propelled fast but after two feet or so they fall harmlessly to the ground. He died FROM THE BLANK at such close range.
On the film set of The Crow, Bruce Lee's son Brandon Lee died from a combo blank/bullet. The film-makers didn't have blanks and were on location in South Carolina. So the prop guy cracked open live bullets and dumped out the gunpowder to make faux blanks. He missed just a tiny bit of residue, enough to propel the bullet at speed though Brandon.
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Not quite. Blanks have gun powder but do not have a bullet (the projectile part). They produce a powerful explosion and you’re right, anything close to the muzzle when it’s fired can be badly damaged. A round that has a bullet but no powder is a dummy round. Obviously, with no powder there can’t be an explosion.
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February 20th, 2026 at 11:20:04 AM
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Not quite. Blanks have gun powder but do not have a bullet (the projectile part). They produce a powerful explosion and you’re right, anything close to the muzzle when it’s fired can be badly damaged. A round that has a bullet but no powder is a dummy round. Obviously, with no powder there can’t be an explosion.
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Right, and even blanks are not used in most scenes. When they fire a blank it's because they want a realistic looking muzzle flash and recoil. You can do that in a cowboy scene, out on the range. But if it's an action scene like where they are grappling over a gun and it goes off, and the bad guy rolls over dead, there's not even a blank in the gun and it's likely a replica gun that you couldn't put a round in to if you tried. The set armorer isn't supposed to let you walk around with a real gun.
Most of these tropes were developed during the Hays Code era when you couldn't overtly show anything gruesome and that usually included someone being struck by a bullet. It was all implied with cinematography and editing. So you would see the sheriff fire the gun, and then you would see the bad guy reeling, but you didn't see it when he got hit. Being there was a quick cut you know there was nobody in front of him when the blank was fired.
February 20th, 2026 at 11:20:48 AM
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In the military, when blanks are used, weapons are equipped with a blank adapter. It's a red cube that attaches to the end of the barrel.
There is another type of adapter that screws into the barrel and isn't as obvious. We called them Hollywood adapters as they can't be seen. Without an adapter, blanks can cause burns and injuries if fired too close to a person.
There is another type of adapter that screws into the barrel and isn't as obvious. We called them Hollywood adapters as they can't be seen. Without an adapter, blanks can cause burns and injuries if fired too close to a person.
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February 20th, 2026 at 1:45:40 PM
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Quote: JimRockfordQuote: darkozQuote: NathanQuote: darkozPeter Greene's death has been ruled accidental.
He shot himself.
In the armpit.
Most likely removing his gun from holster is what I understand. It's happened before because of the angle the gun sits in the shoulder holster.
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He died from an armpit gunshot? 🤨😱😳 YIKES! 😱😳 I didn't think you could die from an armpit gunshot! 😱😳 A Woman accidentally died because she inexplicably chose to look into the gun while accidentally pulling the trigger or something like that. An actor died because he "jokingly," put a gun that was supposed to be filled with blanks to his head honestly expecting to be fine.
The gun inexplicably had REAL bullets instead of blanks, not unlike the infamous Rust movie scandal when Alec Baldwin was told that the gun only had blanks in it, he pulled the trigger for a scene in the movie (The scene was supposed to look like Alec's character was "Shooting," the audience) and it inexplicably had a a real bullet instead of a blank.
The gunshot went right through a crew member and ended up landing in a producer that was right behind the crew member and she died. The crew member that the bullet hit first was rushed to the hospital and luckily survived.
The Actor who "jokingly," put the gun that was supposed to be full of blanks died when it inexplicably had REAL bullets in it. His death was ruled as accidental because he fully was expecting to be fine, not die.
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You got it wrong about the actor who died when he jokingly shot himself with a blank. The gun did NOT have a real bullet. It was a genuine blank.
Blanks still fire and are propelled outward at incredible speed. The "blank" part is they have no gunpowder. Without gunpowder they are just being propelled fast but after two feet or so they fall harmlessly to the ground. He died FROM THE BLANK at such close range.
On the film set of The Crow, Bruce Lee's son Brandon Lee died from a combo blank/bullet. The film-makers didn't have blanks and were on location in South Carolina. So the prop guy cracked open live bullets and dumped out the gunpowder to make faux blanks. He missed just a tiny bit of residue, enough to propel the bullet at speed though Brandon.
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Not quite. Blanks have gun powder but do not have a bullet (the projectile part). They produce a powerful explosion and you’re right, anything close to the muzzle when it’s fired can be badly damaged. A round that has a bullet but no powder is a dummy round. Obviously, with no powder there can’t be an explosion.
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Thanks Jim. Good to know.
Not quite the same story but in True Romance there is an extreme close up of Dennis Hopper having a gun blast him to the temple. Director Tony Scott wanted Dennis to shoot the scene himself and he refused. Said no one is pointing a gun and firing at his head. Even with the director assuring him there was neither blanks nor dummy rounds in the gun. They were just going to pull the trigger in close up.
Director Tony Scott finally did the shot himself. He told Dennis to watch at how easy it was. The gun was put to Tony's head the gun trigger was fired
Apparently with that model, even though nothing was expelled, there was still a millimeter of metal that slides forward in the barrel. It struck Tony so hard that when you see in the shot the head and body propelled backwards that was really Tony recoiling in pain.
It left a small dent in Tony's head.
This incident is discussed in the True Romance commentary.
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February 21st, 2026 at 2:00:47 AM
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Eric Dane, dead at 53 from ALS. RIP to him. 😭 I find it scary the recent influx of celebrities dead relatively young in their 30's, 40's and 50's! 😱😳 They either weren't that much older than me or were YOUNGER than me!😱😳
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February 21st, 2026 at 5:47:47 AM
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Quote:Western films often show heroes firing dozens of rounds without reloading. In reality, black powder revolvers produced thick smoke that quickly obscured the shooter's vision, making long, precise gunfights nearly impossible.
True or not? Now imagining gunfights -- "Where are you, Jake? "Can't see s***"
A friend of mine had a cap and ball pistol, but it didn't fire multiple rounds.
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February 21st, 2026 at 6:27:53 AM
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Bill Mazerowski- longtime Pirate second baseman, and hero of the 1960 World Series. His controversial election to the Hall of Fame prompted new voting procedures, as many felt his election was more the result of his friendship with committee members than of his actual baseball experience. When I was a boy in the 1960s, he and longtime partner Gene Alley were the best double play duo in the game. R.I.P.
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February 21st, 2026 at 8:08:30 AM
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Quote: billryanBill Mazerowski- longtime Pirate second baseman, and hero of the 1960 World Series. His controversial election to the Hall of Fame prompted new voting procedures, as many felt his election was more the result of his friendship with committee members than of his actual baseball experience. When I was a boy in the 1960s, he and longtime partner Gene Alley were the best double play duo in the game. R.I.P.
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Beat me to him. IIRC he was the first walk off HR to win a World Series. The home plate to Forbes Field is under glass near its exact spot in a Pitt building. (I was told the EXACT spot is in a nearby men’s room). About 20 times a day people visit and touch the glass over it like they are scoring.
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February 21st, 2026 at 9:11:17 AM
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Quote: NathanEric Dane, dead at 53 from ALS. RIP to him. 😭 I find it scary the recent influx of celebrities dead relatively young in their 30's, 40's and 50's! 😱😳 They either weren't that much older than me or were YOUNGER than me!😱😳
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You make me feel old. I have never heard of most of the people in this thread.
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February 21st, 2026 at 9:32:34 AM
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Quote: DRichQuote: NathanEric Dane, dead at 53 from ALS. RIP to him. 😭 I find it scary the recent influx of celebrities dead relatively young in their 30's, 40's and 50's! 😱😳 They either weren't that much older than me or were YOUNGER than me!😱😳
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You make me feel old. I have never heard of most of the people in this thread.
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You just might not be too much into Celebrity news. 💡🤔
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February 22nd, 2026 at 10:15:53 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: NathanEric Dane, dead at 53 from ALS. RIP to him. 😭 I find it scary the recent influx of celebrities dead relatively young in their 30's, 40's and 50's! 😱😳 They either weren't that much older than me or were YOUNGER than me!😱😳
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You make me feel old. I have never heard of most of the people in this thread.
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Ditto. Who? My oldest daughter is older than that how would I know who that is.
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February 23rd, 2026 at 9:35:31 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: DRichQuote: NathanEric Dane, dead at 53 from ALS. RIP to him. 😭 I find it scary the recent influx of celebrities dead relatively young in their 30's, 40's and 50's! 😱😳 They either weren't that much older than me or were YOUNGER than me!😱😳
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You make me feel old. I have never heard of most of the people in this thread.
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Ditto. Who? My oldest daughter is older than that how would I know who that is.
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You likely wouldn’t if you never watched Grey’s Anatomy. My wife liked him. He was the classic buff womanizer.
Rondale Moore. Best college WR a few years back. NFL career derailed by injury. Gun to head.
February 23rd, 2026 at 4:59:19 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: EvenBobQuote: DRichQuote: NathanEric Dane, dead at 53 from ALS. RIP to him. 😭 I find it scary the recent influx of celebrities dead relatively young in their 30's, 40's and 50's! 😱😳 They either weren't that much older than me or were YOUNGER than me!😱😳
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You make me feel old. I have never heard of most of the people in this thread.
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Ditto. Who? My oldest daughter is older than that how would I know who that is.
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You likely wouldn’t if you never watched Grey’s Anatomy. My wife liked him. He was the classic buff womanizer.
Rondale Moore. Best college WR a few years back. NFL career derailed by injury. Gun to head.
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Ironically enough Eric Dane played a Womanizer in Grey's Anatomy but was gay in Valentine's Day movie. Neil Patrick Harris had kind of the opposite happen to him. Neil Patrick Harris played a Womanizer on How I Met Your Mother but is gay and married to his husband in real life. 💡
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"Olive oil is processed but it only has one
ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D
I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;)
Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D
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February 23rd, 2026 at 5:15:35 PM
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Rondale Moore. Best college WR a few years back. NFL career derailed by injury. Gun to head.
Wow, I know who that is. I remember him playing at Purdue.
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