Celebrity Deaths
October 1st, 2024 at 3:40:06 AM
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Quote: rxwineThey going to put him in the hall of posthumous fame?
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They have my vote. I always joked if I won POTUS I would pardon to let him in.
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October 1st, 2024 at 3:41:35 AM
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Quote: billryanPete Rose went to prison for tax evasion and was implicated in steroid distribution. He cheated on his wife with an underage high school lover, was banned from Ballys for intentionally collecting bets he wasn't entitled to, and was an all-around scumbag.
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I believe he made the first legal sports bet at one of the Ohio casinos at 12:01 NYD. I forget which and never heard what be bet on.
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October 1st, 2024 at 4:56:22 AM
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If the Baseball Hall of Fame is also about all around decent persons, I guess excluding some people with the stats makes sense.
If someone wants to keep “Just Sport’s records” tally, fine with me also. They can include anyone. Except actual cheaters.
But making a sport’s cheaters records sounds interesting also. Might sell a few books. Might generate lawsuits though.
If someone wants to keep “Just Sport’s records” tally, fine with me also. They can include anyone. Except actual cheaters.
But making a sport’s cheaters records sounds interesting also. Might sell a few books. Might generate lawsuits though.
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October 1st, 2024 at 6:57:31 AM
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Quote: rxwineIf the Baseball Hall of Fame is also about all around decent persons, I guess excluding some people with the stats makes sense.
If someone wants to keep “Just Sport’s records” tally, fine with me also. They can include anyone. Except actual cheaters.
But making a sport’s cheaters records sounds interesting also. Might sell a few books. Might generate lawsuits though.
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We long ago stopped caring about "decent people" in sports.
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October 1st, 2024 at 7:58:13 AM
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Rose isn't in the Hall because he bet on baseball and lied about it. It isn't because he was a POS who went to prison for defrauding both his fans and the government. His affair with a fourteen year old girl isn't the reason, his involvement with steroids wasn't an issue. His character wasn't an issue. He bet on baseball, the cardinal sin of the game.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 1st, 2024 at 9:29:51 AM
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Quote: billryanPete Rose went to prison for tax evasion and was implicated in steroid distribution. He cheated on his wife with an underage high school lover, was banned from Ballys for intentionally collecting bets he wasn't entitled to, and was an all-around scumbag.
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Yet he still holds the all-time record for hits. And during his time playing how many others were on steroids.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 1st, 2024 at 9:37:08 AM
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Any celebrities in Tel Aviv? Iran is shooting missiles their way right now.
October 1st, 2024 at 10:04:21 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: billryanPete Rose went to prison for tax evasion and was implicated in steroid distribution. He cheated on his wife with an underage high school lover, was banned from Ballys for intentionally collecting bets he wasn't entitled to, and was an all-around scumbag.
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Yet he still holds the all-time record for hits. And during his time playing how many others were on steroids.
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None of the known steroid users are in the Hall. Rose was never accused of using steroids as a player. He was involved in distributing them at gyms he owned or was involved in outside of baseball.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 1st, 2024 at 10:08:53 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: billryanPete Rose went to prison for tax evasion and was implicated in steroid distribution. He cheated on his wife with an underage high school lover, was banned from Ballys for intentionally collecting bets he wasn't entitled to, and was an all-around scumbag.
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Yet he still holds the all-time record for hits. And during his time playing how many others were on steroids.
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None of the known steroid users are in the Hall. Rose was never accused of using steroids as a player. He was involved in distributing them at gyms he owned or was involved in outside of baseball.
Anyway, he's dead now and won't scam anyone else.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 1st, 2024 at 10:12:55 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: billryanPete Rose went to prison for tax evasion and was implicated in steroid distribution. He cheated on his wife with an underage high school lover, was banned from Ballys for intentionally collecting bets he wasn't entitled to, and was an all-around scumbag.
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Yet he still holds the all-time record for hits. And during his time playing how many others were on steroids.
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All things considered who cares if anyone is on steroids. It is still them hitting the ball is it not? They want to destroy their bodies let them.
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October 1st, 2024 at 10:39:33 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: billryanPete Rose went to prison for tax evasion and was implicated in steroid distribution. He cheated on his wife with an underage high school lover, was banned from Ballys for intentionally collecting bets he wasn't entitled to, and was an all-around scumbag.
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Yet he still holds the all-time record for hits. And during his time playing how many others were on steroids.
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All things considered who cares if anyone is on steroids. It is still them hitting the ball is it not? They want to destroy their bodies let them.
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Rose was involved in selling steroids to people at his gyms, including high school kids. His son took the rap for him.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 1st, 2024 at 12:53:38 PM
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John Amos, actor, 84
October 1st, 2024 at 1:02:30 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhJohn Amos, actor, 84
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I didn't watch Good Times, but I liked Mr Amos's other characters, especially his role on The West Wing. His death on the series struck far too close to home for me.
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October 1st, 2024 at 1:07:29 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: rxwineIf the Baseball Hall of Fame is also about all around decent persons, I guess excluding some people with the stats makes sense.
If someone wants to keep “Just Sport’s records” tally, fine with me also. They can include anyone. Except actual cheaters.
But making a sport’s cheaters records sounds interesting also. Might sell a few books. Might generate lawsuits though.
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We long ago stopped caring about "decent people" in sports.
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Who is we?
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 1st, 2024 at 1:23:21 PM
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Quote: billryanQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: rxwineIf the Baseball Hall of Fame is also about all around decent persons, I guess excluding some people with the stats makes sense.
If someone wants to keep “Just Sport’s records” tally, fine with me also. They can include anyone. Except actual cheaters.
But making a sport’s cheaters records sounds interesting also. Might sell a few books. Might generate lawsuits though.
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We long ago stopped caring about "decent people" in sports.
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Who is we?
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America at large. Kill dogs for amusement? Beat your wife?
"BUT----HE'S GOOD!"
And they are allowed back.
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October 1st, 2024 at 1:42:31 PM
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Quote: EvenBobAnd during his time playing how many others were on steroids.
I would guess close to zero.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 1st, 2024 at 1:45:34 PM
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Quote: AZDuffman
America at large. Kill dogs for amusement? Beat your wife?
"BUT----HE'S GOOD!"
And they are allowed back.
I wouldn't keep him out for beating women, raping kids, or gassing Jews. I only think his skills in baseball are important for the Hall of Fame. I would also like to see him jailed or killed if he did those things but he should still be in the HOF.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 1st, 2024 at 3:02:42 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: EvenBobAnd during his time playing how many others were on steroids.
I would guess close to zero.
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Why bring facts into it? In his day, they mostly did amphetamines. Most people think Jose Canseco is the player most responsible for steroid use in baseball.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 1st, 2024 at 8:25:13 PM
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Quote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: EvenBobAnd during his time playing how many others were on steroids.
I would guess close to zero.
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Why bring facts into it? In his day, they mostly did amphetamines. Most people think Jose Canseco is the player most responsible for steroid use in baseball.
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Steroids have been used in MLB since the 1960s.
October 1st, 2024 at 8:39:45 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhJohn Amos, actor, 84
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Loved his big chocolate chip cookies. Oh wait, never mind..
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October 1st, 2024 at 9:09:23 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: EvenBobAnd during his time playing how many others were on steroids.
I would guess close to zero.
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Why bring facts into it? In his day, they mostly did amphetamines. Most people think Jose Canseco is the player most responsible for steroid use in baseball.
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Steroids have been used in MLB since the 1960s.
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Who do you think was using steroids in baseball in the 1960s or 1970s? Most baseball players didn't even lift weights until the Nautilus machines became popular around 1978. Conventional thought was free weight lifting made one musclebound.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 1st, 2024 at 9:11:59 PM
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Frank Fritz 58 co star of American pickers
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
October 1st, 2024 at 9:15:01 PM
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actually he was 60. I enjoyed that showQuote: HunterhillFrank Fritz 58 co star of American pickers
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October 1st, 2024 at 9:21:01 PM
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NY times said 58 but I see other sources say 60.
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
October 1st, 2024 at 10:15:45 PM
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Quote: HunterhillNY times said 58 but I see other sources say 60.
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Another totally fake reality show. Frank and Mike didn't really ride around in that van, they showed up separately at filming events for the show and left separately. They barely got along. Frank was sick for a long time, decades.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 2nd, 2024 at 2:03:40 AM
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Famed gambler Archie Karas dies at 73
Archie Karas, famous for once turning $50 into $40 million during a legendary Las Vegas hot streak in the 1990s, has died at age 73, according to reporting from Poker News.
Karas became famous for “The Run,” which has been referred to as the biggest gambling winning streak in recorded history.
It started with just $50 and a $10,000 loan. From 1992 to 1994, he played competitive games of poker and pool, beating some of Las Vegas’ most famous gamblers — including the late Stu Ungar, Doyle Brunson, the late Puggy Pearson, the late Chip Reese and the late Johnny Moss — during the hot streak.
Karas is said to have lost the entire $40 million between 1995 and 1996 as he continued gambling.
Archie Karas, famous for once turning $50 into $40 million during a legendary Las Vegas hot streak in the 1990s, has died at age 73, according to reporting from Poker News.
Karas became famous for “The Run,” which has been referred to as the biggest gambling winning streak in recorded history.
It started with just $50 and a $10,000 loan. From 1992 to 1994, he played competitive games of poker and pool, beating some of Las Vegas’ most famous gamblers — including the late Stu Ungar, Doyle Brunson, the late Puggy Pearson, the late Chip Reese and the late Johnny Moss — during the hot streak.
Karas is said to have lost the entire $40 million between 1995 and 1996 as he continued gambling.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
October 2nd, 2024 at 3:23:00 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: HunterhillNY times said 58 but I see other sources say 60.
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Another totally fake reality show. Frank and Mike didn't really ride around in that van, they showed up separately at filming events for the show and left separately. They barely got along. Frank was sick for a long time, decades.
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You have to watch those shows like you watch professional wrestling. As a smark. You know they really didn't break the coconut over Jimmy's head, but it was funny as all heck. Nobody could make money in the antique business riding around aimlessly in a van. The fun in the show was seeing all the junk some people had. I was not a huge fan of that show to be honest.
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October 2nd, 2024 at 6:01:16 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: HunterhillNY times said 58 but I see other sources say 60.
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Another totally fake reality show. Frank and Mike didn't really ride around in that van, they showed up separately at filming events for the show and left separately. They barely got along. Frank was sick for a long time, decades.
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You have to watch those shows like you watch professional wrestling. As a smark. You know they really didn't break the coconut over Jimmy's head, but it was funny as all heck. Nobody could make money in the antique business riding around aimlessly in a van. The fun in the show was seeing all the junk some people had. I was not a huge fan of that show to be honest.
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It would be interesting to know the amount of manipulation used in different shows. Unlike Bob, I don't think everything is totally faked. No reason to. You can actually have moments of interesting things filmed on TV by accident if nothing else. And contest shows, I think they would have to be pretty careful to manipulate for a certain person to win or to do something to sabotage other contestants purposely. Also, I think, "we all signed up, and agreed who would win" would leak out. You'd sue a game show like Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy for rigging the game in more traditional competition shows.
The guys in "pickers" didn't ride around randomly. They got calls from the show managers of people calling in coordinated sometimes through the lady picker (forget her name) They probably got way more calls, and only selected the promising ones.
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October 2nd, 2024 at 6:01:59 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: billryanPete Rose went to prison for tax evasion and was implicated in steroid distribution. He cheated on his wife with an underage high school lover, was banned from Ballys for intentionally collecting bets he wasn't entitled to, and was an all-around scumbag.
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Yet he still holds the all-time record for hits. And during his time playing how many others were on steroids.
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All things considered who cares if anyone is on steroids. It is still them hitting the ball is it not? They want to destroy their bodies let them.
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I care because it’s cheating. Hank Aaron should still hold the record. Roger Maris should have held the single season record until 2022. I’ll give Aaron Judge the benefit of the doubt.
"Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things."
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October 2nd, 2024 at 8:13:13 AM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: HunterhillNY times said 58 but I see other sources say 60.
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Another totally fake reality show. Frank and Mike didn't really ride around in that van, they showed up separately at filming events for the show and left separately. They barely got along. Frank was sick for a long time, decades.
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You have to watch those shows like you watch professional wrestling. As a smark. You know they really didn't break the coconut over Jimmy's head, but it was funny as all heck. Nobody could make money in the antique business riding around aimlessly in a van. The fun in the show was seeing all the junk some people had. I was not a huge fan of that show to be honest.
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It would be interesting to know the amount of manipulation used in different shows. Unlike Bob, I don't think everything is totally faked. No reason to. You can actually have moments of interesting things filmed on TV by accident if nothing else. And contest shows, I think they would have to be pretty careful to manipulate for a certain person to win or to do something to sabotage other contestants purposely. Also, I think, "we all signed up, and agreed who would win" would leak out. You'd sue a game show like Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy for rigging the game in more traditional competition shows.
The guys in "pickers" didn't ride around randomly. They got calls from the show managers of people calling in coordinated sometimes through the lady picker (forget her name) They probably got way more calls, and only selected the promising ones.
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Lots depends. "Junkyard Wars" would salt the junkyard with items, at least once they admitted to this. The teams were told they had to use differing approaches. "Pawn Stars" is predetermined and improved but I have heard if a "seller" sneaks in a line that works it stays. I think most of the interaction is improv, meaning they are told how to act and for how long but the rest is left up to the actors.
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October 2nd, 2024 at 8:14:24 AM
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Quote: JimRockfordQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: billryanPete Rose went to prison for tax evasion and was implicated in steroid distribution. He cheated on his wife with an underage high school lover, was banned from Ballys for intentionally collecting bets he wasn't entitled to, and was an all-around scumbag.
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Yet he still holds the all-time record for hits. And during his time playing how many others were on steroids.
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All things considered who cares if anyone is on steroids. It is still them hitting the ball is it not? They want to destroy their bodies let them.
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I care because it’s cheating. Hank Aaron should still hold the record. Roger Maris should have held the single season record until 2022. I’ll give Aaron Judge the benefit of the doubt.
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Cheating how? Is there a difference between steroids and loading up on protein powder? In working out with a trainer daily? I say let them use whatever they want.
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October 2nd, 2024 at 8:38:54 AM
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Quote: DRichQuote: AZDuffman
America at large. Kill dogs for amusement? Beat your wife?
"BUT----HE'S GOOD!"
And they are allowed back.
I wouldn't keep him out for beating women, raping kids, or gassing Jews. I only think his skills in baseball are important for the Hall of Fame. I would also like to see him jailed or killed if he did those things but he should still be in the HOF.
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"gassing Jews"? I guess your antisemitic mind could not think of an alternative heinous crime.
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October 2nd, 2024 at 11:36:27 AM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: HunterhillNY times said 58 but I see other sources say 60.
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Another totally fake reality show. Frank and Mike didn't really ride around in that van, they showed up separately at filming events for the show and left separately. They barely got along. Frank was sick for a long time, decades.
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You have to watch those shows like you watch professional wrestling. As a smark. You know they really didn't break the coconut over Jimmy's head, but it was funny as all heck. Nobody could make money in the antique business riding around aimlessly in a van. The fun in the show was seeing all the junk some people had. I was not a huge fan of that show to be honest.
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It would be interesting to know the amount of manipulation used in different shows. Unlike Bob, I don't think everything is totally faked. No reason to. You can actually have moments of interesting things filmed on TV by accident if nothing else. And contest shows, I think they would have to be pretty careful to manipulate for a certain person to win or to do something to sabotage other contestants purposely. Also, I think, "we all signed up, and agreed who would win" would leak out. You'd sue a game show like Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy for rigging the game in more traditional competition shows.
The guys in "pickers" didn't ride around randomly. They got calls from the show managers of people calling in coordinated sometimes through the lady picker (forget her name) They probably got way more calls, and only selected the promising ones.
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Pickers works like this. The Producers solicit people to send photos of what they're selling and then the producers go to the places they want to go to and inspect everything and pick out the items that will be on the show and even discuss the price with the owner. This is weeks and weeks before Frank and Mike ever show up. When they're filming the whole thing is directed and produced on the spot and none of it is real. They already know which items they are going to look at and how much they're going to pay. When they show them loading stuff in the van they don't actually get in the van and drive away. They have their own separate transportation to reach the event. There's absolutely nothing real or spontaneous about this show. The girl who has the tattoos that supposedly runs that store, those are all shot back to back so she's done in like 2 weeks. She actually lives in Chicago and runs a couple of shops there. Reality shows have to be run this way or the content would be too erratic. This way the show is completely put together on paper and everybody knows what's coming. All reality shows are run this way.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 2nd, 2024 at 1:12:08 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: JimRockfordQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: billryanPete Rose went to prison for tax evasion and was implicated in steroid distribution. He cheated on his wife with an underage high school lover, was banned from Ballys for intentionally collecting bets he wasn't entitled to, and was an all-around scumbag.
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Yet he still holds the all-time record for hits. And during his time playing how many others were on steroids.
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All things considered who cares if anyone is on steroids. It is still them hitting the ball is it not? They want to destroy their bodies let them.
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I care because it’s cheating. Hank Aaron should still hold the record. Roger Maris should have held the single season record until 2022. I’ll give Aaron Judge the benefit of the doubt.
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Cheating how? Is there a difference between steroids and loading up on protein powder? In working out with a trainer daily? I say let them use whatever they want.
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Yes there’s a difference between performance enhancing drugs and training / nutrition. Protein powder doesn’t have any advantage over the same nutrient sourced from food.
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October 2nd, 2024 at 3:40:08 PM
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There is also a vast difference between being a steroid user and a steroid distributor; Pete talked his son into taking the rap for him.
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October 8th, 2024 at 3:34:43 PM
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MLB pitcher Luis Tiant, 83. A legend around these parts.
October 8th, 2024 at 3:43:45 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhMLB pitcher Luis Tiant, 83. A legend around these parts.
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I remember him at the Pirates and I think he only played one year there.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 8th, 2024 at 5:27:12 PM
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There's absolutely nothing real or spontaneous about this show.
This is the most ridiculous statement that I've seen you make about reality shows before. Even many Hollywood movie directors working with a script will leave impromptu unscripted moments in their films. You really think they tell the shop or homeowner, "Here Frank will ask you to go down in price and this is what you will say And then he will say this. And you will say this, and so on.."
Besides that, a certain number of regular people can't act normal when you turn the camera on them and tell them to give convincing lines from a script.even though they can act normal every day when they aren't in front of a camera. Some people just can't act at all without looking wooden.
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October 8th, 2024 at 5:39:31 PM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: EvenBob
There's absolutely nothing real or spontaneous about this show.
This is the most ridiculous statement that I've seen you make about reality shows before. Even many Hollywood movie directors working with a script will leave impromptu unscripted moments in their films. You really think they tell the shop or homeowner, "Here Frank will ask you to go down in price and this is what you will say And then he will say this. And you will say this, and so on.."
Besides that, a certain number of regular people can't act normal when you turn the camera on them and tell them to give convincing lines from a script.even though they can act normal every day when they aren't in front of a camera. Some people just can't act at all without looking wooden.
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96% of the show is set up. Even the part where Mike and Frank pretend they are friends
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October 8th, 2024 at 7:15:44 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
96% of the show is set up. Even the part where Mike and Frank pretend they are friends
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I'm not even sure professional wrestling is that fake. Lots of moves are real, and guys did get hurt even if trying not to.. Maybe even some were mad at each other. But still a lot of fakery.
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October 8th, 2024 at 7:35:38 PM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: EvenBob
96% of the show is set up. Even the part where Mike and Frank pretend they are friends
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I'm not even sure professional wrestling is that fake. Lots of moves are real, and guys did get hurt even if trying not to.. Maybe even some were mad at each other. But still a lot of fakery.
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I would call it scripted not fake.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 8th, 2024 at 8:08:57 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: rxwineQuote: EvenBob
96% of the show is set up. Even the part where Mike and Frank pretend they are friends
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I'm not even sure professional wrestling is that fake. Lots of moves are real, and guys did get hurt even if trying not to.. Maybe even some were mad at each other. But still a lot of fakery.
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I would call it scripted not fake.
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Jesse Ventura calls it "ballet, with violence!"
October 8th, 2024 at 8:32:50 PM
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It's scripted in that the results are known ahead of time, and it is choreographed.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
October 8th, 2024 at 8:50:09 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: rxwineQuote: EvenBob
96% of the show is set up. Even the part where Mike and Frank pretend they are friends
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I'm not even sure professional wrestling is that fake. Lots of moves are real, and guys did get hurt even if trying not to.. Maybe even some were mad at each other. But still a lot of fakery.
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I would call it scripted not fake.
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I was just thinking if what if you told those wrestlers that compete in the Olympics that they had to follow WWE rules while they did real wrestling.. Like after a hard take down, the wrestler who did the take down had to get up, pound his chest and flap his arms while sassing and egging on the crowd as he stomps around the ring. It would be a required move before he can do the next move.
I'd watch that.
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October 8th, 2024 at 8:52:47 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: rxwineQuote: EvenBob
96% of the show is set up. Even the part where Mike and Frank pretend they are friends
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I'm not even sure professional wrestling is that fake. Lots of moves are real, and guys did get hurt even if trying not to.. Maybe even some were mad at each other. But still a lot of fakery.
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I would call it scripted not fake.
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The trade term is "worked." That is their work and their art- making the match visually entertaining, and safer for the participants so they get to come back next week and put on a show again.
There was a time when it wasn't worked and a lot of the technique was borrowed from the savate world, with a lot of low kicks and leg hooks which are just the thing to permanently injure someone, which is why those things typically are not allowed in fighting sports.
I've given some advice to people who want to learn self-defense: learn from UFC. By that, I mean get the UFC rulebook, see all the things that are not allowed in those matches, and specialize in those.
October 9th, 2024 at 4:43:36 AM
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Quote: billryanIt's scripted in that the results are known ahead of time, and it is choreographed.
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These days it is very scripted. The refs will tell them what to do next in most cases. Back in the 80s it was more they were told basically what to do but the more experienced guy made most of the calls. Just because it is fake does not mean the falling to the mat is not real. But they know how to fall and it is all rigged to make it sound loud.
Back to AP, you can be assured that the sellers were told where to start the biding and where to end it. Plus some things to throw in. Not a line-by-line script but an old school wresting where they say, "We need this match to go about three minutes. Make sure X loses bad because we need to put Y over. But let X look like he is going to actually do something for 2-3 moves. No blade job needed here, now go!"
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