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August 31st, 2019 at 9:43:38 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

That is pretty much what all the Indian casinos in Florida are like.

Fees? Nickel and dimed to death? One would think they have recaptured the cost of road construction by now.
fee to tee off, fee to sign up, fee to use the pencil and clipboard to sign up???



It's all part of the plan to keep the dirty and unwashed out. For its target audience, newly retired residents of whitelandia, it's generally cheaper than the high property tax counties they are escaping from.
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August 31st, 2019 at 9:49:30 AM permalink
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It's all part of the plan to keep the dirty and unwashed out. For its target audience, newly retired residents of whitelandia, it's generally cheaper than the high property tax counties they are escaping from.

Funny, but true.
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August 31st, 2019 at 10:45:11 AM permalink
As a side note, 78% of the residents of
the county The Villages is in is Jewish.
There are 10 synagogues in The Villages
itself. For clarity, 1.4% of the US population
is Jewish. Interesting.
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August 31st, 2019 at 11:01:49 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

As a side note, 78% of the residents of
the county The Villages is in is Jewish.
There are 10 synagogues in The Villages
itself. For clarity, 1.4% of the US population
is Jewish. Interesting.



I find that to be very improbable. Where did you get this from?
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August 31st, 2019 at 11:06:24 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I find that to be very improbable. Where did you get this from?



Looks like I was way off. There are as
many as 50 synagogues in The Villages.
Here's 30 of the best:

https://www.yellowpages.com/the-villages-fl/synagogues
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August 31st, 2019 at 11:12:43 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

As a side note, 78% of the residents of
the county The Villages is in is Jewish.
There are 10 synagogues in The Villages
itself. For clarity, 1.4% of the US population
is Jewish. Interesting.



That doesn't seem accurate to me, but I don't go up there much. The primary marketing was to retired middle-class workers in the Northeast. It's mostly White Christian from that area in my experience.

Demographics : well, tinypic is out of business, and I haven't figured out Imgur translation to this board ylyet so you'll have to click, sorry.

The Villages Demographics https://imgur.com/gallery/CSoXM7j
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August 31st, 2019 at 11:20:57 AM permalink
There is not a single county anywhere in America that is 78% Jewish.
The Villages was extensively marketed to Catholics in the tri-state neighborhood as an alternative to Miami and places that other folks retire to. They also heavily marketed the NYPD, even waiving age requirements for retired cops.
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August 31st, 2019 at 11:30:21 AM permalink
78% I'm not sure anyone keeps those statistics. Like all retirement areas, there are a lot of churches and synagogues.

That said, many of the Village's residents come from the Northeast. Obviously, they are well off or they couldn't afford to live there. I will say this. To enjoy the Village's lifestyle, you must be someone who likes to socialize. Some people don't, they buy and move out. As for my wife and I, we don't like crowds and we enjoy diversity. If you stay in the Villages all the time, all you will see are old retired white folks. For some, that's what they want.

There are a number of small towns in our area of Central Florida. We live in one of them. It's a nice place to live. The taxes are low. The winters are mild. Not much crime. I know my barber's name and he knows mine. It's a different Florida than on the coasts.
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August 31st, 2019 at 11:42:18 AM permalink
hurricane Dorien now projected to miss South Florida completely and perhaps miss all of Florida

By "miss" I mean, no landfall, just wind, rain and high tides, etc.
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August 31st, 2019 at 12:24:56 PM permalink
Thank God!!
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August 31st, 2019 at 4:24:56 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Looks like I was way off. There are as
many as 50 synagogues in The Villages.
Here's 30 of the best:

https://www.yellowpages.com/the-villages-fl/synagogues



That's hardly the Villages. That goes from Orlando to Deland to Ocala to Inverness, an area that's more than 70 Miles long and about half that wide.

If you search just for The Villages, there are 2 Synagogues, and 28 churches on the map near where the Villages actually is located.

City Data for the Villages shows:
Religion----------------------------Adherents-------------------Congregations
Evangelical Protestant-------------11,218----------------------------66
Mainline Protestant-----------------5,769----------------------------18
Catholic------------------------------3,815----------------------------3
Black Protestant----------------------961----------------------------10
Other---------------------------------237-----------------------------2
None-------------------------------71,420

http://www.city-data.com/city/The-Villages-Florida.html
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August 31st, 2019 at 6:19:56 PM permalink
Quote: Hullabaloo

That's hardly the Villages. That goes from Orlando to Deland to Ocala to Inverness, an area that's more than 70 Miles long and about half that wide.

If you search just for The Villages, there are 2 Synagogues, and 28 churches on the map near where the Villages actually is located.

City Data for the Villages shows:
Religion----------------------------Adherents-------------------Congregations
Evangelical Protestant-------------11,218----------------------------66
Mainline Protestant-----------------5,769----------------------------18
Catholic------------------------------3,815----------------------------3
Black Protestant----------------------961----------------------------10
Other---------------------------------237-----------------------------2
None-------------------------------71,420

http://www.city-data.com/city/The-Villages-Florida.html


Interesting data. Really gives one something to think about. Especially the paragraph towards the end:
Quote:

there were 34 registered sex offenders living in The Villages, Florida as of August 31, 2019. The ratio of all residents to sex offenders in The Villages is 2,112 to 1. The ratio of registered sex offenders to all residents in this city is much lower than the state average.


I'm not sure what weirds me out more.. that there are 34 senior citizen sex perverts living there or that the rest of Florida seems to have so many more. Are you sure you want the grandchildren visiting?
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August 31st, 2019 at 6:35:23 PM permalink
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I'm not sure what weirds me out more.. that there are 34 senior citizen sex perverts living there or that the rest of Florida seems to have so many more. Are you sure you want the grandchildren visiting?



Wonder if it's worse than Vegas which had a lot last time I checked.
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Sidebar.

I'm not endorsing, in any way, sex offenders. But lumping guys who, at 17, had sex with a 15 year old (my friends' son) with guys who at 58 messed with a 12 year old (my deceased neighbor), or others of every variety in that registry, is a disservice not just to the guys, but to the community.

Back to the topic. Sorry for the diversion.
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August 31st, 2019 at 8:17:57 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Sidebar.

I'm not endorsing, in any way, sex offenders. But lumping guys who, at 17, had sex with a 15 year old (my friends' son) with guys who at 58 messed with a 12 year old (my deceased neighbor), or others of every variety in that registry, is a disservice not just to the guys, but to the community.

Back to the topic. Sorry for the diversion.



You can become a sex offender for public urination in some states.
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August 31st, 2019 at 9:35:54 PM permalink
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You can become a sex offender for public urination in some states.

Is that what you tell everybody it was for?🤣🤣🤣
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August 31st, 2019 at 10:24:43 PM permalink
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You can become a sex offender for public urination in some states.



MI is one of them. My wife reads
the sex offender list regularly and
those guys are on there. Exposing
yourself in public.
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September 1st, 2019 at 5:17:30 AM permalink
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Interesting data. Really gives one something to think about. Especially the paragraph towards the end:

I'm not sure what weirds me out more.. that there are 34 senior citizen sex perverts living there or that the rest of Florida seems to have so many more. Are you sure you want the grandchildren visiting?



Um... should I want them visiting an area that has LESS sex offenders than average? Is that what you are really asking? Should I seek out a high sex offender area?
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So Friday was my last day. There is a night shift nurse that I've become friends with. He works night shift because his wife worked day shift and that worked for them raising their 3 sons. I would often have hours to sit and bullshit with him, way moreso than any busier dayshift nurse. We a few times over the years would get together for sushi lunch. So our plan was for Friday morning to sit with our calendars to make a date. Earlier in the week, his wife died tragically, an anaphylactic reaction to something. I was at her funeral yesterday. 600+ people. She was 49.
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September 1st, 2019 at 9:32:41 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Um... should I want them visiting an area that has LESS sex offenders than average? Is that what you are really asking? Should I seek out a high sex offender area?


Yeah, I see your point.... I should of phrased that better. What struck me is that they seemed to be saying "hey don't sweat the 34 we've got. Th rest of the state is much worse".

On a different note, I grew up down the road from you in Rochester. I remember a conversation with my dad in the early 80s. He was mussing about retiring and said maybe he and my mom would move south. I knew that a number of their friends had retired recently and moved to various states, mainly Florida, Texas, and Arizona, so I asked him which southern locale he had in mind. "Canandaigua" he said. In the end, even that was farther than he cared to go so he stayed where he was till the day he died.
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September 1st, 2019 at 1:48:53 PM permalink
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moved to various states, mainly Florida, Texas, and Arizona,



Old people sure seem to like hot and boring. I mean, why not just get intentionally caught robbing a bank when you are 20? You can retire then and get sent to sit around in the desert playing cards and having someone tell you what you are allowed to do. You can even catch VD from someone to whom you are unattracted but have sex with out of desperation. Lifehack.

The worst thing about getting old would be becoming super fearful. It's something I've noticed even more acutely playing cards, of all things. Older players are often extremely fearful and they love, for example, checking pots down when it is 2 ways so that neither player loses much. (Should be noted, gamblers in general seem like very fearful people).

It seems like getting old should logically have the opposite effect, especially if you get to be retired. You've escaped death almost as long as possible. Your big career and romantic moments and so forth are basically over, for better or worse. What is there to fear?

Hopefully, I'll be like my mom. She's 73. She's going to be bouncing around SE Asia in a couple of months, after she goes to Sicily. She's not especially well off, as a retired teacher. Just makes it happen. She jokes about death a lot.
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September 1st, 2019 at 2:31:57 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

The worst thing about getting old would be becoming



When you get older you don't
'become' anything, except more
of who you already were when you
were younger. I meet people
I knew 40 years ago and they
are exactly the same, just older.
If you see an old guy and he's
a rude dick, I guarantee he was
that way when he was 25.
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September 19th, 2019 at 7:15:17 PM permalink
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Anybody (SOOPOO) still thinking of buying in The Villages should read this.

https://www-orlandosentinel-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/editorials/os-op-the-villages-growth-tax-increase-20190918-iyqc2cy3mnhzfmwskfm7s6a35e-story.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&outputType=amp&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ%3D%3D&fbclid=IwAR3mCU9VxnJO9ko-XzLCacgPbUNDLxwW7Iz7L4zGhlUlc4IHAsuqEL8wXB8#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.orlandosentinel.com%2Fopinion%2Feditorials%2Fos-op-the-villages-growth-tax-increase-20190918-iyqc2cy3mnhzfmwskfm7s6a35e-story.html

tl:dr. They can't afford their infrastructure needs after a 40% increase in homes in 10 years.




The Sentinel has published a number of negative articles on the Villages. It seems pretty biased against them.
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September 19th, 2019 at 7:28:09 PM permalink
I don't know much about Florida, but agree that Vegas can get cold in Vegas in the winter. Here is a video for you.



You might consider Palm Springs. There are several casinos there and numerous golf courses. Vegas is only four hours away.
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September 19th, 2019 at 9:48:24 PM permalink
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You might consider Palm Springs.

In that case, consider buying a Miata if you want to fit in.
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September 20th, 2019 at 12:09:44 AM permalink
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The Sentinel has published a number of negative articles on the Villages. It seems pretty biased against them.

You would prefer fawning praise?

This played out in the late sixties with municipalities all over the country trying to buy payrolls. Build your factory/warehouse/whatever here and we will give tax moratoriums, rezoning, etc. Fort Collins, Colorado said ' no way! Growth has costs such as roads, schools, fire, police, parks. We focus on quality of life and new businesses must pay their own way for parks, schools, roads, courthouses, etc. No tax breaks for moving here, no traffic jams.


The Villages charges miniscule impact fees and forces surrounding areas to shoulder a burden without a tax base to support the 'growth'.
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September 20th, 2019 at 4:34:20 AM permalink
Thanks all. I prefer a government that evaluates the services it wants/needs to provide and taxes accordingly, as opposed to one that incurs debt. At 26% more than last year the rates do not seem high by my real estate tax knowledge.

Trip there is next month. As I've said a few times, Naples is a big favorite over the villages. Mike, wife does not want to move to a desert.
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But to do list has to wait. 3 day golf trip to Peak n Peek.
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In that case, consider buying a Miata if you want to fit in.



That was good!
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September 20th, 2019 at 7:14:11 AM permalink
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You can become a sex offender for public urination in some states.



One of the golf courses that I play has sign that peeing on the course will be prosecuted as a sex crime because of all of the children in the neighborhood.
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October 26th, 2019 at 6:30:24 AM permalink
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One of the golf courses that I play has sign that peeing on the course will be prosecuted as a sex crime because of all of the children in the neighborhood.



Id be doing a life sentence then. We are in Naples now. Spent all day yesterday with a real estate agent. He showed us all option types. Condo. Single family detached. Upper unit. Lower unit. Big building on golf course, etc... Naples is a crazy wealthy area. The number of million dollar houses is RIDICULOUS. There was no area we went to that wasn’t beautiful. Didn’t see a piece of garbage on any street. I am pretty sure when the time comes I’ll be able to find something acceptable in my price range. Recently retired so not really sure what my price range is!
We go up to the Villages tomorrow for 5 days. I will be stunned if wife finds Villages acceptable after seeing Naples.
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October 26th, 2019 at 6:58:20 AM permalink
The story I heard about 20 years ago is that Miami cracked down on illegal drugs, and all the drug lords moved to Naples. This was the cause of the flow of big money into the Naples area. I have no idea if it is true or not.
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October 26th, 2019 at 7:12:19 AM permalink
Certainly possible for some. The agent basically called one street the CEO COO capital. My wife looked at one building and mentioned it was a nice condo development. It was a HOUSE. We went into a large development and looked at the ‘cheap’ condos which were the low 400’s. You could see street after street of the bigger ones that were all minimum 700k. I guess those are for the low level drug dealers!
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October 26th, 2019 at 7:51:53 AM permalink
Naples has been old Florida money for decades. Strong zoning laws and parking enforcement.
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October 26th, 2019 at 7:59:50 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Id be doing a life sentence then. We are in Naples now. Spent all day yesterday with a real estate agent. He showed us all option types. Condo. Single family detached. Upper unit. Lower unit. Big building on golf course, etc... Naples is a crazy wealthy area. The number of million dollar houses is RIDICULOUS. There was no area we went to that wasn’t beautiful. Didn’t see a piece of garbage on any street. I am pretty sure when the time comes I’ll be able to find something acceptable in my price range. Recently retired so not really sure what my price range is!
We go up to the Villages tomorrow for 5 days. I will be stunned if wife finds Villages acceptable after seeing Naples.



I like Naples too, but my preference would probably be Sarasota. I have family about 40 miles north of Naples in Cape Coral.
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October 26th, 2019 at 9:10:28 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Id be doing a life sentence then. We are in Naples now. Spent all day yesterday with a real estate agent. He showed us all option types. Condo. Single family detached. Upper unit. Lower unit. Big building on golf course, etc... Naples is a crazy wealthy area. The number of million dollar houses is RIDICULOUS. There was no area we went to that wasn’t beautiful. Didn’t see a piece of garbage on any street. I am pretty sure when the time comes I’ll be able to find something acceptable in my price range. Recently retired so not really sure what my price range is!
We go up to the Villages tomorrow for 5 days. I will be stunned if wife finds Villages acceptable after seeing Naples.



You waited a bit too long to get the full impact of The Villages. It will be cooler weather this week. May through September, it's nearly unbearable inland (there).
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October 26th, 2019 at 9:32:29 AM permalink
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I like Naples too, but my preference would probably be Sarasota. I have family about 40 miles north of Naples in Cape Coral.


Cape Coral has lost a few roofs to mini-tornadoes recently and some owners are learning the hard way that sea walls have to be maintained by abutting owner, not the city.

Sarasota was nice area. Lots of great restaurants. Forty minute "rush hours".
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October 26th, 2019 at 9:39:20 AM permalink
My former company relocated to Sarasota almost twenty years ago. I wasn't interested in the move, but my friends reluctantly went. To a man, they loved it. When a branch opened in Tampa, none of the transplants were interested. Last year, they were bought by a company based in Dallas and there was a near mutiny when rumours hit about relocating the operation there.
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October 26th, 2019 at 10:09:16 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Cape Coral has lost a few roofs to mini-tornadoes recently and some owners are learning the hard way that sea walls have to be maintained by abutting owner, not the city.

Sarasota was nice area. Lots of great restaurants. Forty minute "rush hours".



My parents lost their seawall about two year ago in the last hurricane. I was shocked at the cost to rebuild it.
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October 26th, 2019 at 11:03:46 AM permalink
Back in the 70s Naples already was reported as the city with the most millionaires. I think at the time it was per population size. Just more concentrated, not most anywhere obviously.
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October 26th, 2019 at 2:20:48 PM permalink
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You waited a bit too long to get the full impact of The Villages. It will be cooler weather this week. May through September, it's nearly unbearable inland (there).



We will be ‘snowbirds’ Buffalo May-October. Florida November through April.

We went for a drive. Saw an ‘open house’ sign on main road. Followed the labyrinthine drive to the open house. Attractive 3 bedroom with a nice lanai enclosed pool. A drive to the clubhouse or private beach. It was only $1.7 million!!! There were hundreds of similar houses between this house and the main road. And this was just one of a hundred like developments. There was no view other than your neighbors nice house. The realtor said ‘if you are looking to spend less than 2million this is a very attractive home’.
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You could probably get a much nicer old slave plantation in Mississippi for similar money. Just sayin'
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