AxelWolf
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July 9th, 2019 at 1:18:24 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I never assumed this before but since Axel asked as if it was an expectation of fact...

Is it the case that many of the APs on here are collecting welfare?

The assumption that members of my family most of whom are making their money AP lifestyle are collecting SNAP benefits is interesting.

Most people assume others are doing the same thing they are.

You couldn't pay me to get back on SNAP (I hated it.) But when I needed it I hung my head and applied.

The fantasy that getting $176 every 2 weeks is somehow a grand lifestyle that lazy people seek out is hilarious (and when I was last on it 6 years ago thats what it was $176 twice a month in NYC. What a windfall).

So if you guys are committing welfare fraud while driving your sedans and under-reporting your income, dont assume everyone does it

I'm fairly certain that I can say with confidence that none of the guys here bantering with you are on snap or any of that other crap, at least no one that I've met.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
darkoz
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July 9th, 2019 at 1:27:34 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm fairly certain that I can say with confidence that none of the guys here bantering with you are on snap or any of that other crap, at least no one that I've met.



Well, thats good news.

I will take you at your word.

So why assume I am or my family members are?

Because liberals collect Snap benefits?

People living in NYC?

Just curious why you asked that question like it was expected of me or my family
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AxelWolf
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July 9th, 2019 at 1:31:17 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz



So why assume I am or my family members are?

what, you trying to get me suspended or something here? :-)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
darkoz
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July 9th, 2019 at 1:39:26 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

what, you trying to get me suspended or something here? :-)



Lol no furthest from my thoughts.

Unless that was your thoughts about liberals.

I support needy people collecting SNAP. I did when I was in need.

When I started making money as an AP first thing I did was get off the SNAP rolls.

I am for welfare. I am against welfare fraud.

Is there welfare fraud? Of course.

Theres also bank fraud, credit card fraud, insurance fraud etc.

I am for banks, and insurance and credit card companies doing business while still against fraud abuses of those companies
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July 9th, 2019 at 1:46:33 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

(and when I was last on it 6 years ago thats what it was $176 twice a month in NYC. What a windfall).



Now I'm really confused. You were running around messing with roulette systems and collecting welfare?
Note I said confused and not surprised.
darkoz
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July 9th, 2019 at 2:06:40 AM permalink
Anyway, I promised the op an anecdote to help him better understand cash transactions reporting with tito so here goes.

Back in 2014 I was doing doey/dont in AC(I dont do that any longer) Electronic games since it was on different players cards.

Back then they didnt have E-Craps so I had to do roulette. Technically not doey/dont, we can call it reddie/blackey, lol.

This particular occasion one color results was hugely lopsided. I dont remember which lets just say red.

4 out of 5 spins went red and so the black side lost huge and the red side won huge.

With kiosk restrictions at $3000 we would cash out at $2700. So it took four cashouts to exceed $10,000.

After the 4th cashout, the players card locked. No points were accrued and a message said go see customer service

Although I use other players card many times the players are in the casino with me (so not even violating casino rules lol). They stick around for the nice shopping spree with comps when I am finished

So I sent up the person. I went with her and she was told she had exceeded $10,000 in cash transactions. They required her to supply her ssn.

Here is where it got wonky. Even though she was a US citizen with a ssn and married for 15 years to a born American she suddenly had an irrational fear of being deported if she gave her ssn. She had worked with me many times before but never needed her ssn supplied. This is way before trump so... this is how immigrants feel or fear.

A host tried to convince her she was going to get comped well, even cruises but she would have none of it. I lost my investment in her as a result.

But back to the point.

The other players card had the exact same coin-in and wagers but triggered nothing.

Therefore we can conclude feeding money to the casino is not considered a cash transaction (whether it sounds ridiculous or not)

Cashing out from a casino redemption machine is considered cash transactions and with a players card they keep aggregate reporting.

Prior to and after that I have placed multiple vouchers from different players cards into redemption machines. You would be there all day doing it one by one. AND THIS HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE that is different players cards vouchers at the redemption machine together dont trigger any alarm bells or issues..

So I am pretty certain it is not the redemption machine doing the tracking but the slot at cashout.

Since people tito all day long between machines I am guessing they amount of cashout goes into a limbo state or potential state. Put it into another slot and the tracking continues. Put it into a redemption machine and the potential info becomes kinetic and is sent to the mainframe for aggregate accounting.

Anyway, hope that helps explain a bit how it works.
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darkoz
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July 9th, 2019 at 2:09:17 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

Now I'm really confused. You were running around messing with roulette systems and collecting welfare?
Note I said confused and not surprised.



Im confused how you came to that conclusion. I was homeless till 2013. In 2012 I began AP but it was real low level, not enough to support myself get an apartment etc.

Once it allowed me to be self-sufficient I got off the welfare rolls
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ChumpChange
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July 9th, 2019 at 2:47:09 AM permalink
After they fill out the form for the first $10K of the day, and you keep playing; do they amend the original form, tear the old one up and write a new form with a higher amount, or do they just write up a new form for every $10,000 barrier you surpass between forms if you're going up by $10K's?
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July 9th, 2019 at 3:35:37 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

After they fill out the form for the first $10K of the day, and you keep playing; do they amend the original form, tear the old one up and write a new form with a higher amount, or do they just write up a new form for every $10,000 barrier you surpass between forms if you're going up by $10K's?



I have no idea how that works.

But an educated guess is the written CTR is computerized or maybe directly input into the computer and additional gambling would just cause an amended report.

Drich probably knows better.
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waasnoday
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July 9th, 2019 at 6:30:13 AM permalink
The cash transactions continue to be tracked and the CTR is not fully filled out until you leave or the gaming day ends. The identification data is collected when you go past the 10,000 mark . Also, all of the CTR forms are in an electronic format now and easily changed until filed with FinCEN.

As far as the tracking of cash-in at the machine and cash-out at the kiosk, it all depends on the software the casino has installed. Some can track that data and some can't.

Edit: Just wanted to note that as stated above this is for strictly cash-in events and not Tito in events. Didn't want to confuse the issue.
Last edited by: waasnoday on Jul 9, 2019

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