Lovecomps
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May 12th, 2019 at 2:18:29 PM permalink
I'm going out soon to Sin City again and was wondering if my host would notice if I change my behaviors. I play 75% craps, 25% Blackjack with an average bet of five hundred a roll and one hundred a hand.

Next time out I might play roulette but just for comps (yeah, I know, don't play for comps). My wife needs a game where she can sit and I just thought that I'd bet a few hundred a spin with her offsetting me (black/red, odd/even etc.) and put a split the 0/00 on each spin for a small amount (enough to offset the two big losing bets) for the actual entertainment. Even without hitting a number I think it would be easy to survive for several hours.

Would he notice my departure from my normal ways? I'd also be playing my usual ways at the tables and not just do this- it would just be to supplement my action and have a little time at the table with wifey.

So would it hurt my rating because he'd pick on it (only my players card would be used) or would I move up because I'm suddenly a Roulette sucker with more overall playing time?
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May 12th, 2019 at 2:44:48 PM permalink
Your specific play rarely gets scrutinized unless you have an issue with your rating. Usually hosts will just get the aggregate comps allowed at the end of play. Regardless of which game you play, your rating will be determined based on average bet and house advantage. Simply put, you can play 10 hours of BJ, 10 hours of craps and 10 hours of roulette, and the system will spit out $XX.XX comp based on adding theos from all three plays. Hosts donít really care which game you play.

I think playing roulette to offset each other is a terrible bet as the house advantage is around 5% for American wheel. You might be better off offsetting pass and donít pass for craps or bank and player for baccarat (just donít get caught). Somebody please correct me if Iím wrong.
Lovecomps
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May 12th, 2019 at 2:50:35 PM permalink
I know that craps is a better choice, but I need a game with a chair so you can sit. The actual bet (non offsetting 0/00) is small potatoe so the edge doesn't bug me.
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May 12th, 2019 at 2:52:32 PM permalink
They might take notice if you go from being a low roller($2 Roulette bets) to high roller $200 Roulette bets overnight.
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May 12th, 2019 at 3:32:09 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

They might take notice if you go from being a low roller($2 Roulette bets) to high roller $200 Roulette bets overnight.



Casinos hate when that happens.
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May 12th, 2019 at 4:39:45 PM permalink
I've seen players who were obviously friends place equal bets on player and bank at the grand Baccarat tables, around $500. or so each. I am sure the pit bosses noticed but they must have gotten away with it and it must have been worth it to them to pay the house advantage (they probably split the loss between them), worth it to them because I assume both were on separate accounts, earning separate comps (double comps, as it were).

So in your case if you have some way to earn double comps, for you and for your wife, then what you describe - betting both sides simultaneously - would definitely be advantageous. HOW you could get away with that, given that you are together and playing from the same bankroll, I couldn't say. Just saying, IF.

Otherwise, in theory, there is no difference between your placing $500 per hand on Player and Bank simultaneously, or just playing one or the other side only for $500.


As an aside, over the years I have known of a few Baccarat players who play one side only. One local player would come in with a cash bankroll of around $5000. and sit at the table, watch the shoe for about forever, then very occasionally toss a $500. chip on the Player. Flat bet only - $500. only - Player only. I didn't keep track of his bankroll all that carefully, but he showed up every day I played, and he seemed to do all right.

Another "only Player" Bacc. bettor would vary the dollar amount of his Player bet wildly, and I got to know this guy very well, he and his wife became friends, he lost a TON of money over his lifetime (they are both dead now, so lifetime is meant literally) - he lost MUCH more than could be explained away with the house edge.

A third "only Bank" bettor I met very recently plays Bank only, flat betting $200. each time. He's over all behind, but not all that much. In his case, he's probably behind more than could be explained by the house advantage, but not a whole lot more.
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May 12th, 2019 at 4:46:59 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

They might take notice if you go from being a low roller($2 Roulette bets) to high roller $200 Roulette bets overnight.



Can you better explain what you are talking about?

And while $200 to $2 is an extreme example, what do you think a bettor can get away with without a host noticing in a way that doesnít affect comps?
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May 12th, 2019 at 6:03:45 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Can you better explain what you are talking about?

And while $200 to $2 is an extreme example, what do you think a bettor can get away with without a host noticing in a way that doesnít affect comps?



MAYBE playing $50 will fly under the radar. Going higher without going too high is the key. Sudden $50 play from usually playing $2 isn't TOO high, but I'd think that suddenly playing $200 a game when someone usually plays $2 a game would not just raise red flags, that would raise blaring sirens so to speak. Disclaimer to avoid another suspension for inadvertently giving bad advice without a disclaimer. " I am NOT the best Gambling Expert there is. Take my gambling advice with a HUGE grain of salt. "
Last edited by: Nathan on May 12, 2019
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May 12th, 2019 at 6:08:09 PM permalink
The idea to "offset" at roulette is a terrible one. You're paying a 5.26 percent house edge at double the bet. You would be better off just choosing one bet without the offset; at least that way you'd be paying half the house edge and have a chance to win.

If you're looking to play a long table game with less variance than craps or BJ, try pai gow tiles or poker.
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May 12th, 2019 at 6:33:11 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

I am NOT the best Gambling Expert there is. Take my gambling advice with a grain of salt. "



I think you need to bump that up a bit...


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